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2013-01-04 08:22:58 AM  

havana_joe: Diatomaceous earth works but it takes time... I had to outline the edges of every wall, doorway, and piece of furniture in my apartment...


How much of a radius from the walls? One foot?

I'm trying to learn this stuff now because I live in the bedbug capital of the world.
 
2013-01-04 08:24:25 AM  

sithon: DDT, accept no substitutes.


It hasn't worked on bedbugs since the 1940's dude.
 
2013-01-04 08:25:58 AM  

Hermione_Granger: My real question here is, How the f*ck do you afford ten couches before you can afford to leave your f*cking apartment?

Thrift store, Goodwill, Craigslist.


There's your problem. Assume any previously owned furniture is crawling with them.
 
2013-01-04 08:26:51 AM  
 
2013-01-04 08:27:13 AM  

ole prophet: sithon: DDT, accept no substitutes.

Ding, ding, ding.


see above. I HATE this talking point. It's wrong on so many levels.
 
2013-01-04 08:27:16 AM  
Gyaaaayyygggggghhhh!

I've dealt with the farkers before, when subletting an apartment/house for a summer. Turns out they were living on bats in the attic (which everyone, including the landlord, had sworn were not there). I double-bagged everything I could, ran all clothes through the laundry machine, went home to NC, and didn't take *anything* out of my car until it had been in the NC summer sun for several, several days in my car. (Left a thermometer in there to check the temperature). Even though I've heard the ones that live on/with bats aren't as likely to hitchike...

I was *still* waking up in the middle of the night and frantically checking everything for *years*. You know that weird little feelinng you sometimes get, where your body tricks you into thinking something's crawling on your arm/whatever? That would cause me to throw of the sheets and desperately check (and smell) for bedbugs (They have a really... distinct scent that they can leave behind. It's a sort of weird, buggy-sweet smell. Hard to describe.)

I absolutely understand how halucinatory parisitosis works now.

Also, to the guy that suggested smothering them with Halon: dunno if that would work. I recall a story about someone sealing a few in a plastic bag...

They BRED. And were still alive. Six months later.

/Even if we bring back DDT, may not work: I'd heard something along the lines of them having started to develop resistance?...
 
2013-01-04 08:29:52 AM  

havana_joe: dervish16108: I'm trying to figure out exactly how to use diatamaceous earth powder for bedbug extermination.

If the apartment is empty, do you cover every square inch of the floor, or do you leave a bed and/or sofa and cover a 20 feet floor radius with DE (considering bedbugs jump 20 feet or so)?

They cannot jump, you're thinking of fleas... However, bedbugs have been known to crawl up walls and onto the ceiling and then drop onto the bed...


horrornews.net
 
2013-01-04 08:32:25 AM  

cretinbob: farking sanitation, how does it work?


Some very clean people with gobs of money have bedbugs.
 
2013-01-04 08:32:35 AM  

Ikahoshi: In the winter, if it gets below freezing outside where you live, wrap your mattresses, clothing, and furniture and put them outside for an hour or two. The cold kills em dead.

Fumigate the house in the mean time.

Or, as an alternative (if you don't mind draining the pipes so they don't burst) turn the heat off and open the windows, let the whole house get below freezing for a few hours.


Also they don't survive above 40°C (104°F) so you can buy an industrial heater and crank it up and leave it there for an hour or so. An acquaintance I knew did that for clients who wanted a pesticide-free fumigation.


.
Frezzing is an interesting concept. According to the EPA it takes at least a week of below 20f to kill the bastards. Link
 
2013-01-04 08:35:39 AM  
I had bedbugs in the apartment building last year. I threw out a couch and only had a leather ottoman to sit on for a while in my living room (I didn't want to buy anything until I knew the issue was done)
I then also bough mattress covers specifically for bedbugs. I didn't have any box springs or I would have probably thrown those out with the couch.

My landlord came in and sprayed some junk about 3 times a week for at least a month, then about once a week for another 2 months until no one reported any more issues.  I had to wash every. single. farking thing.

I had to make sure book bags and kids stuff stayed off the floor and away from beds too.

I still have those mattress covers on the beds, and even though it's been over a year now, if I ever get to move out that shiatty apartment, I'll leave the mattresses behind... just in case
 
2013-01-04 08:38:57 AM  
"We've already thrown away 10 couches"

Throwing away the wrong couch.
 
2013-01-04 08:39:12 AM  

dervish16108: havana_joe: Diatomaceous earth works but it takes time... I had to outline the edges of every wall, doorway, and piece of furniture in my apartment...

How much of a radius from the walls? One foot?

I'm trying to learn this stuff now because I live in the bedbug capital of the world.


I used a spoon and put it right up against the edge of the wall and then smoothed it out with the back of the spoon. They tend to hide in cracks as opposed to out in the open. Basically, you need to make a barrier that they must cross to get to you. Once they cross the barrier the DE sticks to them and begins drying them out. Imagine if all your walls and furniture had chalk lines around them like you'd see at a crime scene- that is what I had to do. Outlines around the walls, the bed, the couch, the chairs, etc. And then I coated the bed spring and mattress thoroughly. Worked, but took a few weeks.
 
2013-01-04 08:42:43 AM  
We live in the middle of three townhouses. Neighbor on one side is from a country where bedbugs are endemic and visits home occasionally. Last year we had an infestation and it took several months to get it under control. I've watched adult bugs scurry away after being sprayed with pyrethrin based sprays. The sprays might be more effective against eggs and nymphs, but not against adults. What killed them was a regimen of upending furniture twice a week to spray with 91% alcohol, Alpine Dust, which is a pesticide enhanced diatomaceous earth, and caulk. Lots of caulk. It was summer, so I took bedding and clothes, bagged them in plastic bags, and left them in a station wagon parked in full sun. I caulked all the trim around baseboards, doors, and windows, and filled in cracks on the backs of headboards and inside dressers. I removed the interfacing on the bottoms of the box springs and caulked all the cracks. I would spray liberally with the 91% alcohol, let it dry, and then dust with Alpine Dust. I used one of those hand bellows like you see in old cartoons. It took months for full eradication and I still have to be vigilant against new infestation.
 
2013-01-04 08:44:36 AM  

camaroash: I'd give the daughter a place to live.

No bedbugs in Utah.


Link

You were saying?
 
2013-01-04 08:45:17 AM  

Hagbardr: We live in the middle of three townhouses. Neighbor on one side is from a country where bedbugs are endemic and visits home occasionally. Last year we had an infestation and it took several months to get it under control. I've watched adult bugs scurry away after being sprayed with pyrethrin based sprays. The sprays might be more effective against eggs and nymphs, but not against adults. What killed them was a regimen of upending furniture twice a week to spray with 91% alcohol, Alpine Dust, which is a pesticide enhanced diatomaceous earth, and caulk. Lots of caulk. It was summer, so I took bedding and clothes, bagged them in plastic bags, and left them in a station wagon parked in full sun. I caulked all the trim around baseboards, doors, and windows, and filled in cracks on the backs of headboards and inside dressers. I removed the interfacing on the bottoms of the box springs and caulked all the cracks. I would spray liberally with the 91% alcohol, let it dry, and then dust with Alpine Dust. I used one of those hand bellows like you see in old cartoons. It took months for full eradication and I still have to be vigilant against new infestation.


That is farking awful.
 
2013-01-04 08:45:48 AM  

Hagbardr: caulk. It was summer, so I took bedding and clothes, bagged them in plastic bags, and left them in a station wagon parked in full sun. I caulked all the trim around baseboards, doors, and windows, and filled in cracks on the backs of headboards and inside dressers. I removed the interfacing on the bottoms of the box springs and caulked all the cracks. I would spray liberally with the 91% alcohol, let it dry, and then dust with Alpine Dust. I used one of those hand bellows like you see in old cartoons. It took months for full eradication and I still have to be vigilant against new infestation.


And your neighbor doesn't take basic precautions to keep from bringing them home? (Bagging his shoes, tossing everything in the drier once he gets home, etc?) That's kind assholish,a nd..

.. I..

OH GOD. I just realized, could he... could he have also infested the planes he was traveling on? Or the luggage of the other passengers?

... I'm going to go curl up in a ball now.
 
2013-01-04 08:45:56 AM  

Hagbardr: We live in the middle of three townhouses. Neighbor on one side is from a country where bedbugs are endemic and visits home occasionally. Last year we had an infestation and it took several months to get it under control. I've watched adult bugs scurry away after being sprayed with pyrethrin based sprays. The sprays might be more effective against eggs and nymphs, but not against adults. What killed them was a regimen of upending furniture twice a week to spray with 91% alcohol, Alpine Dust, which is a pesticide enhanced diatomaceous earth, and caulk. Lots of caulk. It was summer, so I took bedding and clothes, bagged them in plastic bags, and left them in a station wagon parked in full sun. I caulked all the trim around baseboards, doors, and windows, and filled in cracks on the backs of headboards and inside dressers. I removed the interfacing on the bottoms of the box springs and caulked all the cracks. I would spray liberally with the 91% alcohol, let it dry, and then dust with Alpine Dust. I used one of those hand bellows like you see in old cartoons. It took months for full eradication and I still have to be vigilant against new infestation.


I also sprayed a few with pyrethrin and all they did was roll around like they were drunk but they didn't die... The 91% alcohol works beautifully, kills them damn near instantly...
 
2013-01-04 08:49:03 AM  
sometimes the problem is the delivery guy who helps you get the old couch out.
he puts it in his truck to dispose of and then they are in the truck
ready for the next stop
i used to work for a furniture store that thought it was ok to mix old and new
and to help the customer
i got tired of telling them about this
 
2013-01-04 08:51:45 AM  

Skr: I can't vouch for it killing bedbugs (have avoided that nastiness so far,) but Diatomaceous Earth killed the shiat out of a flea problem my dog rolled into. When rubbed into the coat it can dry out the animal's skin but coupled with a light powdering of the house it cleared the buggers out quick.

I've heard tell of DE being a great dietary supplement for people and it killing harmful stuff in the digestive track and a slewfull of other homeopathic 'miracles' but I get a snake oil vibe from that.

If you do go the DE route for fleas or bedbugs, make sure you get the right kind, the "Food Safe" stuff. The other stuff is bad.

The spoon looks rather creepy. Crystallized bedbug excretions ewww.


I'm one of the folks who catch grief here at fark over using Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth for the health benefits. Took a teaspoon a day for only two weeks back in June, 2012, mixed in orange juice. Saved my life, I kid you not. Funny, but I'd bought it in a ten pound box to kill bugs in my organic fig tree orchard, and boy did it work there too. Bed bug sufferers have no better tool than DE, dusted lightly on the furniture and in the carpets. Eliminates fleas, ticks, ants... all bugs.

I own an appliance repair company and carry in in the trucks. When we see roach infestations, we mix a teaspoon of DE with a teaspoon of sugar and toss the stuff behind the refrigerators. The roaches come for the sugar and walk thru it. Roaches are eliminated forever, and best of all, it's costing only about a nickel. Try it!
 
2013-01-04 08:52:17 AM  

The_Sponge: We're talking about Arizona....do you really want black widows and tarantulas all over your apartment? And then you have to bring in a bunch of gila monsters to get rid of the spiders, and then gorillas to get rid of the gila monsters.


And then gojiras to get rid of the gorillas, and then tiny little asian women in a box to entreat a giant moth god to get rid of the gojiras. And then a humungous lightbulb to get rid of the moth god...

/ It never ends!
 
2013-01-04 08:52:35 AM  

havana_joe: dervish16108: I'm trying to figure out exactly how to use diatamaceous earth powder for bedbug extermination.

If the apartment is empty, do you cover every square inch of the floor, or do you leave a bed and/or sofa and cover a 20 feet floor radius with DE (considering bedbugs jump 20 feet or so)?

They cannot jump, you're thinking of fleas... However, bedbugs have been known to crawl up walls and onto the ceiling and then drop onto the bed...


That's good to know, I had been misinformed about jumping then.

havana_joe: dervish16108: havana_joe: Diatomaceous earth works but it takes time... I had to outline the edges of every wall, doorway, and piece of furniture in my apartment...

How much of a radius from the walls? One foot?

I'm trying to learn this stuff now because I live in the bedbug capital of the world.

I used a spoon and put it right up against the edge of the wall and then smoothed it out with the back of the spoon. They tend to hide in cracks as opposed to out in the open. Basically, you need to make a barrier that they must cross to get to you. Once they cross the barrier the DE sticks to them and begins drying them out. Imagine if all your walls and furniture had chalk lines around them like you'd see at a crime scene- that is what I had to do. Outlines around the walls, the bed, the couch, the chairs, etc. And then I coated the bed spring and mattress thoroughly. Worked, but took a few weeks.


Thanks very much!
 
2013-01-04 08:53:49 AM  

Skr: I can't vouch for it killing bedbugs (have avoided that nastiness so far,) but Diatomaceous Earth killed the shiat out of a flea problem my dog rolled into. When rubbed into the coat it can dry out the animal's skin but coupled with a light powdering of the house it cleared the buggers out quick.

I've heard tell of DE being a great dietary supplement for people and it killing harmful stuff in the digestive track and a slewfull of other homeopathic 'miracles' but I get a snake oil vibe from that.

If you do go the DE route for fleas or bedbugs, make sure you get the right kind, the "Food Safe" stuff. The other stuff is bad.

The spoon looks rather creepy. Crystallized bedbug excretions ewww.


I got em too and killed them all with 3 exterminator visits. Had to wash everything. And within a month they were gone.
It's like a ritual taunt after the first exterminator visit for them to walk straight towards you to let you know that they're still alive and "fark you!"
So farking gross.
 
2013-01-04 08:54:40 AM  
"can't afford to break your lease" I'm pretty sure the local housing authority will take care of that shiat with a single phone call.
 
2013-01-04 08:59:44 AM  
I hate everyone in this thread. As far as I know, I've never seen a bedbug
 
2013-01-04 09:01:12 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: I hate everyone in this thread. As far as I know, I've never seen a bedbug


Sounds like we all should be hating you.
 
2013-01-04 09:05:36 AM  
"The landlords just aren't taking care of the problem," Amy said.
"It doesn't seem relevant or important enough for them to do something about it," added Missi Finlay, who lives upstairs.

OK then; why don't you put those spoonfuls of bedbugs in envelopes and mail them to the landlords. That might make them realize that yes, there is a problem.

/...and then you get evicted?
 
2013-01-04 09:07:49 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Pathman: Plant Rights Activist: Why would you throw them out!? Donate them to goodwill for the tax writeoff!

yeah - bed bugs for the poor!

Couches can be evil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSDjVHFHbcQ


haha - so awesome
 
2013-01-04 09:13:36 AM  

simplicimus: AdolfOliverPanties: cretinbob: farking sanitation, how does it work?

Not at all on bedbugs is how it works.  These people do not have infestations because they lack cleanliness.  These motherfarkers can be as thin as a sheet of paper and can hide anywhere.  In electrical outlets, folds of any kind of furniture, behind paintings or pictures, in drawers or wardrobes, in shoes, behind baseboards, in thermostats...practically anywhere.

Pest control is near farking useless as they have become more and more resistant to sprays.  About the only thing you can do is drown them, burn them or dry them out.  They are FAR worse than lice or any other pest I can think of.

Took two years to get rid of them when we had them.  At least six visits from pest control, washing everything we owned.

That accomplished nothing. I too got rid of couches.  Three of them.  Got rid of box springs and mattresses.

Finally dried the bastards out by putting diatamaceous earth powder on practically everything.  That shiat is like tiny little razorblades to them.  Cuts them up and dries them out.

DE is a good idea. Works on ants as well. It's a lot cheaper to buy it at a pool supply store than from anywhere else.


There are twi kinds of diatomaceous earth. You do not use the pool kind for pest control! Pool grade DE contains chrystalline silica and is hazardous to health.
 
2013-01-04 09:15:02 AM  

dervish16108: HaywoodJablonski: I hate everyone in this thread. As far as I know, I've never seen a bedbug

Sounds like we all should be hating you.


Touché
 
2013-01-04 09:16:20 AM  
Nuke that building from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-01-04 09:18:26 AM  

Kingly Weevil: My real question here is, How the f*ck do you afford ten couches before you can afford to leave your f*cking apartment?


That was my 1st thought...
 
2013-01-04 09:19:50 AM  
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
NOT reading TFA...
/he's become my favorite 'ewww' face
 
2013-01-04 09:21:46 AM  
Several of the residents say they simply cannot afford to break their leases and move.
"I don't get paid enough to up and quit my lease and get my own place," Finlay told 3TV.


Wouldn't a pest infestation that bad allow you to break your lease without penalty since obviously the landlord isn't keeping a clean building?
 
2013-01-04 09:25:10 AM  
When my wife and I were in college and living in a crappy apartment building, we got bed bugs. It started like us getting a few bites on our legs and by the end of it, my wife who was somewhat allergic to the bites, covered in swollen welts. We got blamed by the land lord and he had to treat all the adjacent apartments as well. It was a nightmare, we had to throw away all of our furniture. Rip up all the carpet to have pest control come in for multiple days. It turned out, the guy below us had rent a center furniture and that is where they came from. I still get paranoid if I see a small bug in the house
 
2013-01-04 09:28:00 AM  

dervish16108: havana_joe: dervish16108: I'm trying to figure out exactly how to use diatamaceous earth powder for bedbug extermination.

If the apartment is empty, do you cover every square inch of the floor, or do you leave a bed and/or sofa and cover a 20 feet floor radius with DE (considering bedbugs jump 20 feet or so)?

They cannot jump, you're thinking of fleas... However, bedbugs have been known to crawl up walls and onto the ceiling and then drop onto the bed...

That's good to know, I had been misinformed about jumping then.

havana_joe: dervish16108: havana_joe: Diatomaceous earth works but it takes time... I had to outline the edges of every wall, doorway, and piece of furniture in my apartment...

How much of a radius from the walls? One foot?

I'm trying to learn this stuff now because I live in the bedbug capital of the world.

I used a spoon and put it right up against the edge of the wall and then smoothed it out with the back of the spoon. They tend to hide in cracks as opposed to out in the open. Basically, you need to make a barrier that they must cross to get to you. Once they cross the barrier the DE sticks to them and begins drying them out. Imagine if all your walls and furniture had chalk lines around them like you'd see at a crime scene- that is what I had to do. Outlines around the walls, the bed, the couch, the chairs, etc. And then I coated the bed spring and mattress thoroughly. Worked, but took a few weeks.

Thanks very much!


You're very welcome!!!
 
2013-01-04 09:33:43 AM  

havana_joe:

They cannot jump, you're thinking of fleas... However, bedbugs have been known to crawl up walls and onto the ceiling and then drop onto the bed...


You're thinking of koalas.
 
2013-01-04 09:47:48 AM  
when we were being treated for a bed bug infestation, the exterminator told me how you are more likely to pick them up from nicer hotels because they have more international travelers. Think about that the next time you pay more to stay in that upscale hotel
 
2013-01-04 10:00:36 AM  
mmmmmm SO cozy!
t1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-04 10:06:49 AM  

Pathman: Arumat: If ever there was an insect species deserving of extinction, it'd be those little bastards. Fleas are a close second.

all of the reasons you think they deserve to be extinct are pretty much the reasons why nature and biology thinks the exact opposite.


Lol wut?

Do tell us what nature thinks.
 
2013-01-04 10:07:46 AM  
Couldn't get more than about 20 comment in before I started feeling itchy and had to stop reading. I'm sure some of the remaining posts are comedic genius, but I can't handle the ick factor.

/seriously, is there something crawling on me?!?!?!?
 
2013-01-04 10:20:11 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
"Fark Yo' Couch!"
 
2013-01-04 10:30:39 AM  

Mija: simplicimus: AdolfOliverPanties: cretinbob: farking sanitation, how does it work?

Not at all on bedbugs is how it works.  These people do not have infestations because they lack cleanliness.  These motherfarkers can be as thin as a sheet of paper and can hide anywhere.  In electrical outlets, folds of any kind of furniture, behind paintings or pictures, in drawers or wardrobes, in shoes, behind baseboards, in thermostats...practically anywhere.

Pest control is near farking useless as they have become more and more resistant to sprays.  About the only thing you can do is drown them, burn them or dry them out.  They are FAR worse than lice or any other pest I can think of.

Took two years to get rid of them when we had them.  At least six visits from pest control, washing everything we owned.

That accomplished nothing. I too got rid of couches.  Three of them.  Got rid of box springs and mattresses.

Finally dried the bastards out by putting diatamaceous earth powder on practically everything.  That shiat is like tiny little razorblades to them.  Cuts them up and dries them out.

DE is a good idea. Works on ants as well. It's a lot cheaper to buy it at a pool supply store than from anywhere else.

There are twi kinds of diatomaceous earth. You do not use the pool kind for pest control! Pool grade DE contains chrystalline silica and is hazardous to health.


No. ALL diatomaceous earth products are crystalline silica. That's the entire point. They're the crystal silica shells of diatoms. The fact that it's hazardous to health is ALSO the entire point; it's hazardous to the health of the bedbugs.

When handling DE, take simple precautions like wearing gloves and a respirator. Mostly, don't breathe it or you'll experience something akin to asbestosis.
 
2013-01-04 10:31:03 AM  

Ikahoshi: In the winter, if it gets below freezing outside where you live, wrap your mattresses, clothing, and furniture and put them outside for an hour or two. The cold kills em dead.


This also works on those one-night stands that just will not leave.
 
2013-01-04 10:31:48 AM  
After visiting hotels or anything I leave my luggage in my car with the windows rolled up for the day. Gets about 160 in there. Hot enough to kill a baby, hot enough to kill a bed bug.
 
2013-01-04 10:32:24 AM  

Philbb: My oldest daughter dealt with them at one point. The apartment management paid to have her apt baked three time. She had to pay for it the fourth time, but the exterminator told her if she found another bedbug within a (short period of time) they would come back for free. She found live bedbugs within 36 hours of having her apt treated the next few times. She threw away so many mattresses, box springs, couches, chairs and items of clothing that I lost track.

We/she thought that the problem was mostly under control when she moved out. By the time we got her stuff out to the trucks, half of her furniture was obviously infested.


Solution: Leave bedbug-infested furniture in storage, with a whole shiatload of some kind of desiccant. Throw out clothes being worn, have someone deliver brand new clothes, which you only touch after a shower. Wait a month for bedbugs to die.
 
2013-01-04 10:33:14 AM  

Happy Hours: OTOH, I've only visited Utah in winter, but I can't imagine you have a mosquito problem. After all, you just mentioned it was -9F and there's nothing like a few good freezes to help keep the mosquito population down.


Yeah, Alaska is pretty much mosquito free in the summer time.
 
2013-01-04 10:44:44 AM  

sirgrim: After visiting hotels or anything I leave my luggage in my car with the windows rolled up for the day. Gets about 160 in there. Hot enough to kill a baby, hot enough to kill a bed bug.


You must be a Premiere Member at Econo-Hole.
 
2013-01-04 10:52:02 AM  

hammettman: The easiest way to get rid of bedbugs is to import some spiders. Oodles and oodles of farking spiders. Of course, that may present another problem when all is said and done.


Well, the spiders should die off or move on when food runs out. The problem is having something there that uses you as food. Because the harvesting never stops.
 
2013-01-04 11:00:28 AM  

Happy Hours: OTOH, I've only visited Utah in winter, but I can't imagine you have a mosquito problem. After all, you just mentioned it was -9F and there's nothing like a few good freezes to help keep the mosquito population down.

Go down to a state with bayous and lots of humidity where it rarely gets down to freezing


Not sure if trolling, but just in case, this is very wrong. Try spending a summer in Alaska.
 
2013-01-04 11:03:59 AM  

Felgraf: OH GOD. I just realized, could he... could he have also infested the planes he was traveling on? Or the luggage of the other passengers?


Yes, it's possible.
 
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