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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Georgia law doesn't allow Governor to remove Sheriff facing 32 felony counts because the citizens elected him AFTER he was charged. Seriously, Georgia?   (ajc.com) divider line 24
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2013-01-03 11:57:31 PM
4 votes:
Hill will remain sheriff unless he is convicted

I fail to see the asinine in this story. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.


his state law enforcement certification has been suspended since he was indicted, which means the sheriff cannot make arrests or serve warrants

OK, there it is.
2013-01-04 03:42:53 AM
3 votes:
The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.
2013-01-04 03:00:35 AM
3 votes:
What a douchebag, and this county is goddamn stupid for not including a behavior and morality clause in his contract he agreed to when he was elected.

Wayne 985: A Southern man running from the law who gets elected sheriff? Wasn't this a subplot in Django Unchained?


No. Just Small town, good old boy corruption. There's a thousand little Sheriff Joes, you just hear about the one in Arizona.
2013-01-04 03:58:27 AM
2 votes:

gweilo8888: You know the easy solution to that, don't you?

Don't go in a hunting area with a weapon unless you have a license. It's not that hard.

You'll pardon me if I don't fear this. Not even slightly.


I was half-snarky with that comment, although I know a few areas in Arkansas where they won't hesitate to take your stuff for the smallest of reasons. In all seriousness, Game Wardens embody the troupe of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Badass." They're one part woodsman, one part cop, and one part Ahnold Schwartzenegger. The linked article about one of our local Game Wardens reads right out of an action movie, and the Youtube video of the shootout is just as badass. To summarize, sovereign citizen dumbass with an AK-47 had just murdered two cops, and had two others pinned down and severely wounded. Game warden sees this, rams the vehicle they're shooting from at about 60 miles an hour with his heavy pickup, and then starts firing on them with an M-4 Rifle through his window into them as they try to open fire on him.  When he runs out of ammo, he slams in reverse, dives out of the truck with his service sidearm, and still places accurate cover fire into the vehicle.

Used to have to deal with the one out of Jackson Tennessee a lot. The area where I used to shoot my M1 Garand and M1 Carbine as a Teenager in Savannah is in an area which is primo reality for deer hunting.
2013-01-04 03:49:58 AM
2 votes:

BronyMedic: The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.


You know the easy solution to that, don't you?

Don't go in a hunting area with a weapon unless you have a license. It's not that hard.

You'll pardon me if I don't fear this. Not even slightly.
2013-01-04 03:37:05 AM
2 votes:

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Georgia, like every other state in the country (i'm assuming based on experience) have laws in place that prohibit felons from serving as police officers.  In this case, he is an accused felon, not a convicted felon, ergo, he's allowed to keep his job until he's convicted.  Anyway, his law enforcement powers have essentially been suspended, meaning he can't do anything anyway.


The problem with that argument is that you don't have to be a commissioned law enforcement officer to be ELECTED to the position of Sheriff in some counties in the South, just like you don't have to have ANY medical training to be elected a County Coroner in some southern states.

Fun Fact: Anyone can be a county constable if elected to the position as well, and have the same law enforcement power as a reserve or paid cop. Many states don't even require them to attend the POST training program, either, meaning they are basically given a badge and told to go buy some blue lights and a gun and have fun with it.
2013-01-04 03:28:52 AM
2 votes:
Oh please. This Georgia homeboy sheriff doesn't seem to hols a candle to what Louisiana sheriffs are capable of.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Vernon Bourgeois routinely involved himself in DWI cases, often fixing records for friends and acquaintances, handed out credit cards to his friends, tore around town in a seized Maserati (for which he paid nothing), stole money from the parish to pay for vacations and clothing to which he was not entitled, and so much else that the State of Louisiana isn't entirely sure it can sort everything out. Oh, and the good sheriff, upon exiting office, cut himself a check for $16,000 for vacation pay--pay he didn't earn, as sheriffs in Louisiana do not earn vacations.

Oh, and our governor wasn't actually born here, and his first name ain't "Bobby."

/His name is Piyush Jindal
//Probably doesn't go over so well with his Republican friends
2013-01-04 02:44:03 AM
2 votes:
Where's the outrage here.  The Sheriff is an elected official, he is not subordinate to the governor.  If he was the Chief of the State Police, the Governor would have the authority to fire him.  If he was a city police chief, the Mayor would have the authority to fire him.  The governor cannot just come into a county and fire the Sheriff, even if he's accused of 32 felonies.

Georgia, like every other state in the country (i'm assuming based on experience) have laws in place that prohibit felons from serving as police officers.  In this case, he is an accused felon, not a convicted felon, ergo, he's allowed to keep his job until he's convicted.  Anyway, his law enforcement powers have essentially been suspended, meaning he can't do anything anyway.
2013-01-04 12:05:36 AM
2 votes:
Seriously, subs.  In Savannah, during my childhood, a sheriff ran successfully for re-election from his jail cell while awaiting trial for the murder of his wife and her lover.
2013-01-04 11:51:59 AM
1 votes:
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2013-01-04 08:27:35 AM
1 votes:

Kelvis: I hate to rain on the south bashing parade, but Clayton County is a densely populated suburb of Atlanta, 70% black, and virtually all of its elected leaders including the sheriff are black. The fact that the (white) governor cannot remove an elected official not in his chain of command cannot possibly be evidence of racism, backwater-ism, or good ole boy- ism. This is good old fashioned city machine politics corruption, ala Chicago and Washington DC (Marion Barry, anyone?)


This.

/no Smart button on my smart phone
2013-01-04 08:26:33 AM
1 votes:
You mean the Governor who used to be a U.S. Congressman, but then quit abruptly, strictly in order to duck pending rulings for his ethics violations? And who THEN got elected Governor of the state? Yeah...

/sigh
2013-01-04 05:33:37 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: cman: What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash

In this case, more like an as-is sale. You knew it was probably broken when you bought it, so you're screwed.


Sheriff Joe once accused his opponent of raping his own mother. He had a press conference and made sure it was all over the news. (no arrest or indictment)

Were Arizonans smart to re-elect Arpaio?

Sometimes evil people make false accusations.
2013-01-04 05:21:29 AM
1 votes:

orbister: Nobody should be disbarred from public office for criminal conviction. If we-the-people want to elect someone with a criminal record, that should be up to us. I'd be happy with an automatic re-election in the case of serious offences - when there is a sentence of imprisonment, perhaps - but that's as far as I'd do.


OK, but then they have to stop refusing to hire people because of criminal convictions too. What's good for the goose...
2013-01-04 05:16:11 AM
1 votes:

Bippal: maram500: Oh please. This Georgia homeboy sheriff doesn't seem to hols a candle to what Louisiana sheriffs are capable of.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Vernon Bourgeois routinely involved himself in DWI cases, often fixing records for friends and acquaintances, handed out credit cards to his friends, tore around town in a seized Maserati (for which he paid nothing), stole money from the parish to pay for vacations and clothing to which he was not entitled, and so much else that the State of Louisiana isn't entirely sure it can sort everything out. Oh, and the good sheriff, upon exiting office, cut himself a check for $16,000 for vacation pay--pay he didn't earn, as sheriffs in Louisiana do not earn vacations.

Oh, and our governor wasn't actually born here, and his first name ain't "Bobby."

/His name is Piyush Jindal
//Probably doesn't go over so well with his Republican friends

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, his parents came from India before he was born. Unless I am mistaken.


The sad part: No matter where he was born, all people need is a whiff that he was foreign-born to hate him.

...oh wait. That only applies to Democrats, yeah?
2013-01-04 04:50:07 AM
1 votes:

vestona22: SN1987a goes boom: vestona22: There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.

How'd he get away with shutting down the Post Office?

He didn't shut down the Post Office. He had his POST certification yanked. Which I believe he got back. These are two fundamentally different things. A great example of the confusion surrounding this story, though.


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
2013-01-04 04:44:25 AM
1 votes:
He is the sheriff of Clayton county. That is a pretty damn dysfunctional county. And the charges came from the guy he replaced only after he said he was running. Would not be surprised that this guy charges the last guy if he is cleared.
2013-01-04 03:59:36 AM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.


THIS. Dear God, those people have more authority than the F.B.I. They can actually, I think, enter your home without a warrant, if they suspect you've been illegally hunting or something.
2013-01-04 03:18:59 AM
1 votes:
Okay "drop" a few charges and then reinstate them.

Tada
2013-01-04 03:08:30 AM
1 votes:
There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.
2013-01-04 02:54:46 AM
1 votes:
Proving once again, the south is full of idiots.
2013-01-04 02:49:44 AM
1 votes:

Apos: A few more stories like this and GA might be eligible for a Fark tag.


It's North Florida.
2013-01-04 02:48:59 AM
1 votes:
Hmmm. What if it was a situation where a corrupt governor was harassing a rogue "righteous" sheriff with trumped up charges, because a corrupt system won't tolerate a corrupt man. Shouldn't the courts decide on the crime before the votes of the people are negated?
2013-01-03 11:59:57 PM
1 votes:
What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash
 
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