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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Georgia law doesn't allow Governor to remove Sheriff facing 32 felony counts because the citizens elected him AFTER he was charged. Seriously, Georgia?   (ajc.com) divider line 101
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2013-01-03 11:53:31 PM
Sheriff Joe: 32? Amateur, I do that before breakfast
 
2013-01-03 11:54:24 PM
scm-l3.technorati.com
 
2013-01-03 11:57:31 PM
Hill will remain sheriff unless he is convicted

I fail to see the asinine in this story. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.


his state law enforcement certification has been suspended since he was indicted, which means the sheriff cannot make arrests or serve warrants

OK, there it is.
 
2013-01-03 11:59:57 PM
What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash
 
2013-01-04 12:05:36 AM
Seriously, subs.  In Savannah, during my childhood, a sheriff ran successfully for re-election from his jail cell while awaiting trial for the murder of his wife and her lover.
 
2013-01-04 12:40:53 AM
A few more stories like this and GA might be eligible for a Fark tag.
 
2013-01-04 01:35:51 AM

fusillade762: Hill will remain sheriff unless he is convicted

I fail to see the asinine in this story. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.


his state law enforcement certification has been suspended since he was indicted, which means the sheriff cannot make arrests or serve warrants

OK, there it is.


My first thought was "yeah he's pretty much nailed, superglued and encased inside of the wall itself at this point for it to go this far."
 
2013-01-04 02:26:27 AM
Honey Boo-Boo really set the bar low for weird Georgia stories, Subby...
 
2013-01-04 02:44:03 AM
Where's the outrage here.  The Sheriff is an elected official, he is not subordinate to the governor.  If he was the Chief of the State Police, the Governor would have the authority to fire him.  If he was a city police chief, the Mayor would have the authority to fire him.  The governor cannot just come into a county and fire the Sheriff, even if he's accused of 32 felonies.

Georgia, like every other state in the country (i'm assuming based on experience) have laws in place that prohibit felons from serving as police officers.  In this case, he is an accused felon, not a convicted felon, ergo, he's allowed to keep his job until he's convicted.  Anyway, his law enforcement powers have essentially been suspended, meaning he can't do anything anyway.
 
2013-01-04 02:48:59 AM
Hmmm. What if it was a situation where a corrupt governor was harassing a rogue "righteous" sheriff with trumped up charges, because a corrupt system won't tolerate a corrupt man. Shouldn't the courts decide on the crime before the votes of the people are negated?
 
2013-01-04 02:49:44 AM

Apos: A few more stories like this and GA might be eligible for a Fark tag.


It's North Florida.
 
2013-01-04 02:53:18 AM
nothing more ignorant in this world than a Yankee, bless their little ol' cold blooded hearts.
got no manners either
 
2013-01-04 02:54:39 AM
A Southern man running from the law who gets elected sheriff? Wasn't this a subplot in Django Unchained?
 
2013-01-04 02:54:46 AM
Proving once again, the south is full of idiots.
 
2013-01-04 02:59:44 AM

Bronzemom: nothing more ignorant in this world than a Yankee, bless their little ol' cold blooded hearts.
got no manners either


*aint nothin mo ignant in this world than a yankee, bless their lil ol cold blooded hearts.
aint got no matters neither
 
2013-01-04 03:00:35 AM
What a douchebag, and this county is goddamn stupid for not including a behavior and morality clause in his contract he agreed to when he was elected.

Wayne 985: A Southern man running from the law who gets elected sheriff? Wasn't this a subplot in Django Unchained?


No. Just Small town, good old boy corruption. There's a thousand little Sheriff Joes, you just hear about the one in Arizona.
 
2013-01-04 03:08:00 AM
wvbetterfuture.com

It pays to have connections.
 
2013-01-04 03:08:30 AM
There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.
 
2013-01-04 03:12:20 AM

BronyMedic: What a douchebag, and this county is goddamn stupid for not including a behavior and morality clause in his contract he agreed to when he was elected.

Wayne 985: A Southern man running from the law who gets elected sheriff? Wasn't this a subplot in Django Unchained?

No. Just Small town, good old boy corruption. There's a thousand little Sheriff Joes, you just hear about the one in Arizona.


Nah, I work in Clayton County, it's basically southside Atlanta. Not small town, good old boy corruption, just regular corruption
 
2013-01-04 03:18:59 AM
Okay "drop" a few charges and then reinstate them.

Tada
 
2013-01-04 03:19:53 AM

vestona22: There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.


How'd he get away with shutting down the Post Office?
 
2013-01-04 03:28:52 AM
Oh please. This Georgia homeboy sheriff doesn't seem to hols a candle to what Louisiana sheriffs are capable of.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Vernon Bourgeois routinely involved himself in DWI cases, often fixing records for friends and acquaintances, handed out credit cards to his friends, tore around town in a seized Maserati (for which he paid nothing), stole money from the parish to pay for vacations and clothing to which he was not entitled, and so much else that the State of Louisiana isn't entirely sure it can sort everything out. Oh, and the good sheriff, upon exiting office, cut himself a check for $16,000 for vacation pay--pay he didn't earn, as sheriffs in Louisiana do not earn vacations.

Oh, and our governor wasn't actually born here, and his first name ain't "Bobby."

/His name is Piyush Jindal
//Probably doesn't go over so well with his Republican friends
 
2013-01-04 03:37:05 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Georgia, like every other state in the country (i'm assuming based on experience) have laws in place that prohibit felons from serving as police officers.  In this case, he is an accused felon, not a convicted felon, ergo, he's allowed to keep his job until he's convicted.  Anyway, his law enforcement powers have essentially been suspended, meaning he can't do anything anyway.


The problem with that argument is that you don't have to be a commissioned law enforcement officer to be ELECTED to the position of Sheriff in some counties in the South, just like you don't have to have ANY medical training to be elected a County Coroner in some southern states.

Fun Fact: Anyone can be a county constable if elected to the position as well, and have the same law enforcement power as a reserve or paid cop. Many states don't even require them to attend the POST training program, either, meaning they are basically given a badge and told to go buy some blue lights and a gun and have fun with it.
 
2013-01-04 03:42:53 AM
The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.
 
2013-01-04 03:48:24 AM

fusillade762: I fail to see the asinine in this story. Innocent until proven guilty, and all that.


It's nice that innocent until proven guilty still applies to somebody.
 
2013-01-04 03:49:58 AM

BronyMedic: The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.


You know the easy solution to that, don't you?

Don't go in a hunting area with a weapon unless you have a license. It's not that hard.

You'll pardon me if I don't fear this. Not even slightly.
 
2013-01-04 03:58:27 AM

gweilo8888: You know the easy solution to that, don't you?

Don't go in a hunting area with a weapon unless you have a license. It's not that hard.

You'll pardon me if I don't fear this. Not even slightly.


I was half-snarky with that comment, although I know a few areas in Arkansas where they won't hesitate to take your stuff for the smallest of reasons. In all seriousness, Game Wardens embody the troupe of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Badass." They're one part woodsman, one part cop, and one part Ahnold Schwartzenegger. The linked article about one of our local Game Wardens reads right out of an action movie, and the Youtube video of the shootout is just as badass. To summarize, sovereign citizen dumbass with an AK-47 had just murdered two cops, and had two others pinned down and severely wounded. Game warden sees this, rams the vehicle they're shooting from at about 60 miles an hour with his heavy pickup, and then starts firing on them with an M-4 Rifle through his window into them as they try to open fire on him.  When he runs out of ammo, he slams in reverse, dives out of the truck with his service sidearm, and still places accurate cover fire into the vehicle.

Used to have to deal with the one out of Jackson Tennessee a lot. The area where I used to shoot my M1 Garand and M1 Carbine as a Teenager in Savannah is in an area which is primo reality for deer hunting.
 
2013-01-04 03:59:36 AM

BronyMedic: The More You Know, Part 2:

Fellow FARKers, there is something you should fear more than the corrupt small town Sheriff who needs to be in a jail cell when in the South. That person is a Game Warden. They can confiscate everything you have, including your vehicle, for "illegal hunting" if you have a weapon and no hunting license in an area where hunting goes on, or if you even have a spotlight under the seat after dusk with a weapon in the vehicle.


THIS. Dear God, those people have more authority than the F.B.I. They can actually, I think, enter your home without a warrant, if they suspect you've been illegally hunting or something.
 
2013-01-04 04:17:40 AM
Y'know, the south tries really hard to fight the image that they're all backwards country bumpkins.

and then, things like this happen.
 
2013-01-04 04:24:52 AM

SN1987a goes boom: vestona22: There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.

How'd he get away with shutting down the Post Office?


He didn't shut down the Post Office. He had his POST certification yanked. Which I believe he got back. These are two fundamentally different things. A great example of the confusion surrounding this story, though.
 
2013-01-04 04:34:01 AM
County's Rights? Did they fight a war for that?
 
2013-01-04 04:38:00 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Where's the outrage here.  The Sheriff is an elected official, he is not subordinate to the governor.  If he was the Chief of the State Police, the Governor would have the authority to fire him.  If he was a city police chief, the Mayor would have the authority to fire him.  The governor cannot just come into a county and fire the Sheriff, even if he's accused of 32 felonies.

Georgia, like every other state in the country (i'm assuming based on experience) have laws in place that prohibit felons from serving as police officers.  In this case, he is an accused felon, not a convicted felon, ergo, he's allowed to keep his job until he's convicted.  Anyway, his law enforcement powers have essentially been suspended, meaning he can't do anything anyway.


We had a sheriff (a damn good one I might add) that was accused of a bunch of bullshiat charges pled to a misdameanor charge and lost his law certification and was basicially railroaded by his party. After he lost his job he ran for county commisioner who happen to be in charge of the budget for the sheriff's party. He's by the way the only republican I have ever been able to stomach voting for.
 
2013-01-04 04:44:25 AM
He is the sheriff of Clayton county. That is a pretty damn dysfunctional county. And the charges came from the guy he replaced only after he said he was running. Would not be surprised that this guy charges the last guy if he is cleared.
 
2013-01-04 04:50:07 AM

vestona22: SN1987a goes boom: vestona22: There's an interesting backstory here that doesn't seem to be getting reported, and I'm not sure I understand it myself.

This isn't the first time Victor Hill's been elected to this position. The last time, he posted snipers on the roof and walked out a fairly significant number of (oh by the way white) mid-level department personnel. His reason/excuse was that the department was full of a good 'ole boy system that needed to be wiped out.

During his first "tenure" it seems he was pretty effective at reducing crime by going after what he considered the root cause of it. He shut down strip joints, message parlors, liquor stores, etc. (I know, a real kill joy.) But in the end it seemed to work.

So that's why everyone's so hung up now. He got kicked out of office for (supposedly trumped up political) charges, but in the end the people wanted him back. Hence his reelection.

If I got any of that wrong, please correct me, but there's something weird going on, which may explain why this isn't so cut and dry as it seems.

How'd he get away with shutting down the Post Office?

He didn't shut down the Post Office. He had his POST certification yanked. Which I believe he got back. These are two fundamentally different things. A great example of the confusion surrounding this story, though.


WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
 
2013-01-04 04:52:07 AM

maram500: Oh please. This Georgia homeboy sheriff doesn't seem to hols a candle to what Louisiana sheriffs are capable of.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Vernon Bourgeois routinely involved himself in DWI cases, often fixing records for friends and acquaintances, handed out credit cards to his friends, tore around town in a seized Maserati (for which he paid nothing), stole money from the parish to pay for vacations and clothing to which he was not entitled, and so much else that the State of Louisiana isn't entirely sure it can sort everything out. Oh, and the good sheriff, upon exiting office, cut himself a check for $16,000 for vacation pay--pay he didn't earn, as sheriffs in Louisiana do not earn vacations.

Oh, and our governor wasn't actually born here, and his first name ain't "Bobby."

/His name is Piyush Jindal
//Probably doesn't go over so well with his Republican friends


Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, his parents came from India before he was born. Unless I am mistaken.
 
2013-01-04 05:04:20 AM

cman: What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash


In this case, more like an as-is sale. You knew it was probably broken when you bought it, so you're screwed.
 
2013-01-04 05:09:16 AM
Nobody should be disbarred from public office for criminal conviction. If we-the-people want to elect someone with a criminal record, that should be up to us. I'd be happy with an automatic re-election in the case of serious offences - when there is a sentence of imprisonment, perhaps - but that's as far as I'd do.
 
2013-01-04 05:16:11 AM

Bippal: maram500: Oh please. This Georgia homeboy sheriff doesn't seem to hols a candle to what Louisiana sheriffs are capable of.

Terrebonne Parish Sheriff Vernon Bourgeois routinely involved himself in DWI cases, often fixing records for friends and acquaintances, handed out credit cards to his friends, tore around town in a seized Maserati (for which he paid nothing), stole money from the parish to pay for vacations and clothing to which he was not entitled, and so much else that the State of Louisiana isn't entirely sure it can sort everything out. Oh, and the good sheriff, upon exiting office, cut himself a check for $16,000 for vacation pay--pay he didn't earn, as sheriffs in Louisiana do not earn vacations.

Oh, and our governor wasn't actually born here, and his first name ain't "Bobby."

/His name is Piyush Jindal
//Probably doesn't go over so well with his Republican friends

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, his parents came from India before he was born. Unless I am mistaken.


The sad part: No matter where he was born, all people need is a whiff that he was foreign-born to hate him.

...oh wait. That only applies to Democrats, yeah?
 
2013-01-04 05:21:29 AM

orbister: Nobody should be disbarred from public office for criminal conviction. If we-the-people want to elect someone with a criminal record, that should be up to us. I'd be happy with an automatic re-election in the case of serious offences - when there is a sentence of imprisonment, perhaps - but that's as far as I'd do.


OK, but then they have to stop refusing to hire people because of criminal convictions too. What's good for the goose...
 
2013-01-04 05:33:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: cman: What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash

In this case, more like an as-is sale. You knew it was probably broken when you bought it, so you're screwed.


Sheriff Joe once accused his opponent of raping his own mother. He had a press conference and made sure it was all over the news. (no arrest or indictment)

Were Arizonans smart to re-elect Arpaio?

Sometimes evil people make false accusations.
 
2013-01-04 05:39:50 AM
As an inmate of Illinois I say...

Meh. Call me when you have some real corruption going on amateurs.

/Less than 130 days to go
//That's right, a link in the slashies
///See what living here has done to me? Ruthless!
 
2013-01-04 05:42:08 AM

Gyrfalcon: OK, but then they have to stop refusing to hire people because of criminal convictions too. What's good for the goose...


Employers should not be prevented from hiring someone with a criminal conviction, just as voters should not be prevented from electing someone with a criminal conviction. In both cases they should be able to take the conviction into account when making the decision.
 
2013-01-04 05:42:15 AM

FatalDischarge: Proving once again, the south is full of idiots.


You wouldn't be saying that if the sheriff was white. Racists like you are always looking to keep the black man down.
 
2013-01-04 05:48:55 AM

FatalDischarge: Proving once again, the south is full of idiots.


Yup because the North is a bunch of geniuses:

8-time felon from Detroit wins state House seat in Michigan

How Did Jesse Jackson Jr. Keep Getting Elected?
 
2013-01-04 05:53:46 AM

TomD9938: [wvbetterfuture.com image 185x242]

It pays to have connections.


Uh, yeah, wrong color. This is Clayton county we're talking about after all.
 
2013-01-04 06:02:44 AM
Meanwhile some people who have pretty/misdemeanour charges can't get a job, even if it's at McDonalds

/et tu, justice?
 
2013-01-04 06:05:59 AM

cman: What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash


Nope Liberals don't even care about the guilty part:

dcist.com
 
2013-01-04 06:26:26 AM
cman: What is this madness? Innocent until proven guilty? Thats liberal hogwash

Dr Toboggan, a teacher, was arrested in flagrante kiddy diddling today. His trial date has not yet been set. By your logic, not only should he remain a teacher, he should not go to jail as he has not been proven guilty yet in a court of law.

Note to you: you haven't thought this one through hard enough.

The issue is separation of powers and rule of law, not 'innocent until proven guilty.'

The problem in this case lies squarely with the georgia voter.

NOT with the law

If it were with the law, then what we'd see political opponents done up on nonsense charges in the run up to the election.
 
2013-01-04 06:53:25 AM
I hate to rain on the south bashing parade, but Clayton County is a densely populated suburb of Atlanta, 70% black, and virtually all of its elected leaders including the sheriff are black. The fact that the (white) governor cannot remove an elected official not in his chain of command cannot possibly be evidence of racism, backwater-ism, or good ole boy- ism. This is good old fashioned city machine politics corruption, ala Chicago and Washington DC (Marion Barry, anyone?)
 
2013-01-04 06:53:43 AM
Georgia definitely has a police corruption problem. Somethinng like 80% of former DeKalb county Sheriffs have been charged with corruption, and the one time a new Sheriff got voted in who vowed to clean up the department a few years back, he was murdered in front of his home on the orders of the incumbent.

When I worked at an autoshop in GA, we had several cops who would come by regularly to sell us their confiscated drugs (for those who dont know, auto shops always employ drug dealers, pro tip).

I myself had an incident where a cop pulled me over and when he saw I had a black guy in my car, he wrote me up a list of fake violations and roid raged on me when I questioned them. When I filed a formal complaint, they never followed up, I went in to check on things and they magically "had no record of any such complaint".

Georgias great though if you dress like you're middle class and white :P
 
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