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(Time)   All nations have a way of marking the new year. In France they torch 1,200 cars in one night   (world.time.com) divider line 19
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2013-01-04 03:52:31 AM
3 votes:
Note that "French youths" = african and arab muslims.
2013-01-04 05:35:04 AM
2 votes:

TappingTheVein: TheJoe03: The article didn't mention much in the way of ethnicity, so I'm not sure how accurate your assumptions are in this case

Of course not, this is Europe. Political correctness must be observed.
And he is 100% correct.


political correctness is way worse in the US than here in europe. indeed its kind of a newish concept to most of the continent.

"wait, you mean i cant say all turks are hooligans?"
"i'm not allowed to grope the receptionist at the xmas party any more?"
"i cant get drunk on shareholder money at lunch anymore?"

my experience living and working in Germany and Switzerland with colleagues from all over europe, the western EUropeans are way closer to Mad Men era values than the Americans are. so stfu newb.

and, yes, if theyre taking about arson "in the projects at the edge of the cities" these are very heavily populated by Algerians Tunisians Moroccans Senegalese and other people from Frances former (quite extensive) colonial empire who came to france during the post war construction boom as cheap labor / guest workers and have been unemployed since that boom ended in the 70s. Now their kids and their Kids' kids have been (generally speaking of course) living on tax payer subsidy since and have no real chance to break the circle of poverty. Theyre not really French, theyre not really part of the culture their parents or grandparents were born in, theyre sort of in between.

I suppose the american immigrant equivalent would be the mexican communities of E. Los Angeles or something, except those guys at least have a lot more chances to break out since its easier to start small businesses, get vocational degrees or whatever.

in much the way the US can learn a lot from France as far as work life balance and health care, the French can learn a lot from us about immigrant assimilation. Indeed most of europe can.
2013-01-04 04:41:20 AM
2 votes:

TheJoe03: The article didn't mention much in the way of ethnicity, so I'm not sure how accurate your assumptions are in this case


Of course not, this is Europe. Political correctness must be observed.
And he is 100% correct.
2013-01-04 09:33:00 AM
1 votes:

here to help: A lot of Americans think the French are simply rude... and while that's true it's more because they are extremely bigoted and nationalistic. They particularly hate middle easterners.

Hell, they even hate the French Canadians who are their direct descendents and the group of people who are the most similar to them in every possible way.

French Canadians are notoriously bigoted too.

France may be pretty but I don't think I'd wanna live there... and I'm a direct descendent of one of their earliest North American settlers.


The problem is Parisians. Where do most tourists go? Paris. The French are, actually, quite decent people. You know how a lot of Americans claim New Yorkers are rude and loud? The French say the same thing about Parisians.

If people spent more time in smaller cities in France they'd see it isn't all like that, and honestly, I've never had a bad experience in Paris, but there's plenty enough evidence to show that some people do. If more foreign tourists would go to Lyon or Strausbourg or even smaller cities they'd see the difference.

Translate away:

http://www.marianne.net/Les-Francais-et-leurs-Parisiens-l-autre-frenc h -paradox_a189571.html

Link
2013-01-04 09:11:26 AM
1 votes:

here to help: A lot of Americans think the French are simply rude... and while that's true it's more because they are extremely bigoted and nationalistic. They particularly hate middle easterners.

Hell, they even hate the French Canadians who are their direct descendents and the group of people who are the most similar to them in every possible way.

French Canadians are notoriously bigoted too.

France may be pretty but I don't think I'd wanna live there... and I'm a direct descendent of one of their earliest North American settlers.


Parisians are rude to everyone, even the rest of France.
2013-01-04 09:11:10 AM
1 votes:

here to help: A lot of Americans think the French are simply rude... and while that's true it's more because they are extremely bigoted and nationalistic. They particularly hate middle easterners.

Hell, they even hate the French Canadians who are their direct descendents and the group of people who are the most similar to them in every possible way.

French Canadians are notoriously bigoted too.

France may be pretty but I don't think I'd wanna live there... and I'm a direct descendent of one of their earliest North American settlers.


My experience has been that everybody is bigoted and I do mean everybody. Worse than the French are the Japanese and Koreans
2013-01-04 08:59:20 AM
1 votes:

jso2897:

Well, then, I guess you right wingers are thoroughly f**ked. So long - it wasn't particularly nice knowing you.


It's Friday. Smoke doobie, drink a beer, rub one out, whatever it takes, save all that
hate for Sunday.
2013-01-04 08:24:41 AM
1 votes:
Ah, are the "youths" enraged in France, again?

You know... the "youths?"
2013-01-04 07:52:13 AM
1 votes:
I've got the greenlight on this topic for like the past four years (French Youth torching cars), but this year I decided to take a break :)
I'll try again next year when the same exact thing happens.

It's funny how the French just accept this yearly occurrence. Can anyone imagine the utter chaos if this happened in NYC, or Chicago, or L.A. just once, let alone every year?
2013-01-04 07:48:22 AM
1 votes:
Why do they keep letting these immigrants in? If they're all as poor and disaffected as everyone says then they have to be huge burdens on the social programs and the state treasury rather than boons to them. It'd probably just be cheaper to hand money to extant French middle-class families to have more kids rather than making up for the lack of them by bringing in immigrants with zero education or skills and cultural values that don't mesh well with the ones in their new homeland.
2013-01-04 07:44:34 AM
1 votes:
Meh, Detroit is kinda of impressed
2013-01-04 07:14:38 AM
1 votes:

spawn73: Father_Jack:
in much the way the US can learn a lot from France as far as work life balance and health care, the French can learn a lot from us about immigrant assimilation. Indeed most of europe can.

Yeah, but Europeans don't want them to assimilate, they want to fark back where they came from (that includes the nth generation), and if not, at least go live in the ghettos so we don't have to look at them.

No, I am not kidding, not in the slightest.


well, no. You're not really correct in this.

First of all, you're making the bad assumption of thinking that europe regards the issue of immigrant assimilation in a uniform fashion, that the values of europeans are homogenous, that each country in europe has the same set of issues with immigrants... none of this is true obviously.

Here in switzerland for example, a full 30%-35% of the country are foreign, highest anywhere in europe, and they're doing ok with it. the rural communities and nationalists grumble about it but the rest of us who live in the cities and make the money shrug and carry on... its just fun to make fun of all the yugos and albos here.

The Brits are doing pretty well with their communities of immigrants in London, seem to be less successful with the pakistanis and other asians in economically depressed areas in the north... witness the whole tube bombing thing during the latest gulf war.

Germany does pretty well with its turks, less well with the arabs...
2013-01-04 06:22:36 AM
1 votes:

Father_Jack: my experience living and working in Germany and Switzerland with colleagues from all over europe, the western EUropeans are way closer to Mad Men era values than the Americans are. so stfu newb.


And yet the french refuse to admit that most (if not all) of the "youths" are african/arabs/muslims, at least in news reports and news articles. Same with the riots in Sweden.
I wasn't comparing the US to Europe in that regard, i'm not american, i was stating a fact. Lighten up Francis.
2013-01-04 05:58:19 AM
1 votes:

Father_Jack:
in much the way the US can learn a lot from France as far as work life balance and health care, the French can learn a lot from us about immigrant assimilation. Indeed most of europe can.


Yeah, but Europeans don't want them to assimilate, they want to fark back where they came from (that includes the nth generation), and if not, at least go live in the ghettos so we don't have to look at them.

No, I am not kidding, not in the slightest.
2013-01-04 04:54:42 AM
1 votes:
massive immigration + social welfare state + no assimilation + 20% unemployment = ?
2013-01-04 03:40:35 AM
1 votes:

TheJoe03: Or are they young and poor?


They're young, poor, and African.

The article didn't mention much in the way of ethnicity,

Yeah, funny how sometimes the media decides ethnicity is newsworthy and sometimes it doesn't. If only there was some kind of rule or pattern to their coverage...
2013-01-04 03:30:44 AM
1 votes:
These "youth" have French citizenship, but they aren't part of the French nation, as the word "nation" as been historically understood. They're Africans.
2013-01-04 03:10:59 AM
1 votes:
Yay socialism.
2013-01-03 11:59:15 PM
1 votes:
But as the debate raged over whether to publicize the nation's flaming-auto fetish

Not to be confused with a flaming auto-fetish.
 
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