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(Gizmodo)   OK, so the Intel thing was a bust, but now Sony is totally going to kill cable TV. For sure. Honest. This time for reals   (gizmodo.com) divider line 49
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2013-01-03 08:51:26 PM
Apple will probably be the company to kill it if they come out with a TV. Ever been in a Sony store lately? Nearly deserted.
 
2013-01-03 09:56:08 PM
And Comcast-owned NBC Universal will not let any of their programming on it.  If Time-Warner gets their panties in a bunch, there goes HBO, Cinemax, TBS, TNT, Adult Swim, CNN, Cartoon Network...
 
2013-01-03 10:43:56 PM
Sony has more leverage in this market than Intel or anyone else who has attempted this yet.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:24 PM
 
2013-01-03 10:47:40 PM
And even though I'm not a fan of Sony I'm glad to see some big players getting into this market.

Netflix, Hulu, Youtube, etc. are all great but don't have a lot of clout. Companies with a huge catalog can create entire new markets, forcing their peers to compete or die.

It's also worth noting that Disney has already thrown it's weight behind Hulu. Things honestly look like they are improving.

/Now I just need to get a fast ISP without a 100 gig cap.
//We watch so much Netflix and Hulu and pay such stupid overages..
 
2013-01-03 10:48:09 PM
i missed the part where the intel thing failed

was it seconds after the initial press release?
 
2013-01-03 10:48:37 PM
Nope. People will still download only what they want to see commercial free.
 
2013-01-03 10:53:53 PM
So wait, I still have to pay money for shows I don't want to see? No thanks.

A la carte or fark off.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:57 PM
It is my understanding that Comcast had such a leap on killing cable that Sony doesn't stand a chance.
 
2013-01-03 11:00:04 PM
No backsies this time. I called it.
 
2013-01-03 11:06:39 PM
The intertubes murdered cable a long time ago. It just hasn't stopped twitching yet.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:14 PM
And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?
 
2013-01-03 11:07:25 PM

moothemagiccow: i missed the part where the intel thing failed


Yeah, me too... I recall that press release saying that they'll face obstacles, not that it was dead before they even started.

/hoping for the intel solution
 
2013-01-03 11:09:30 PM

mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?


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2013-01-03 11:11:53 PM

p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?

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No. I mean really. Nowhere near as fast or reliable as cable.
 
2013-01-03 11:22:01 PM

p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?


Data caps. Cellular will never replace wired service unless the government steps in, buys the infrastructure and requires anyone leasing towers to offer unlimited wireless broadband.

Of course the same thing with wired internet.

Seriously, when will people realize that as long as someone is allowed to own both content and delivery service there is no way that these schemes are going to work?

It has nothing to do with economics or business models. It has to do with power plays and ego and nobody does that like the entertainment world.
 
2013-01-03 11:28:30 PM
Since Sony's programming arm has its head up its ass, I can predict based on their past behavior that, should the guys from Sony's Hardware side make this happen, Sony-owned Media will NEVER be allowed to play on it, due to excessive DRM.

Sony is two companies at war with each other: cool engineer-inventors, and assmunch IP lawyers.
 
2013-01-03 11:32:33 PM

JohnnyC: moothemagiccow: i missed the part where the intel thing failed

Yeah, me too... I recall that press release saying that they'll face obstacles, not that it was dead before they even started.

/hoping for the intel solution


I'll give you 3 guesses what the "obstacles" are. Hint: Content providers
 
2013-01-03 11:42:00 PM

p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?

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BINGO!!!
 
2013-01-03 11:46:30 PM
Small SAT. Dish, Sony sells, access to SAT. data stream Sony sells, streams through equipment Sony sells, you buy cable like content packages Sony sells. Like the current Sunday Ticket, MLB, NHL, etc.
 
2013-01-03 11:46:31 PM
People who are paying $200 a month for cable now are salivating for pay per channel.

Guess what will happen to the per channel charges?

You rent 40 channels? $5 a piece. You rent 5 channels? $40 a piece. Let's do the math.

40 times $5 equals $200.

5 time $40 equals $200.

Huh. $200 equals $200 equals $200.

Yeah, the cable companies are pretty much monopolies. We're farked. Just with different foreplay. And still no lube.
 
2013-01-03 11:58:19 PM
At this point I don't care about the Next Big Cable Killer. I'm happy with my Netflix and Amazon Prime memberships plus the Roku I use for streaming. In addition I just noticed that Amazon Prime is really picking up with the number of films/shows that you can stream. I'm seeing a lot of good content from 2012. I'm very happy that I cut the cord from cable and am saving $1,200 a year I wasted on Comcast.
 
2013-01-04 12:17:03 AM
I've already been raped by Intel. I'm a eunuch now.
 
2013-01-04 12:33:53 AM
Not till Sony own it's own pipes
 
2013-01-04 12:43:32 AM
Havent they already? PS3 + netflix anyone?
 
2013-01-04 12:48:15 AM

themindiswatching: Apple will probably be the company to kill it if they come out with a TV. Ever been in a Sony store lately? Nearly deserted.


You do know they already did, right? And they aren't particularly popular. Or is that the joke?
 
2013-01-04 12:53:01 AM

jonny_q: You do know they already did, right? And they aren't particularly popular. Or is that the joke?


An actual TV, not the tiny box thing.
 
2013-01-04 12:58:52 AM

twistofsin: //We watch so much Netflix and Hulu and pay such stupid overages..


Tell your ISP you'd like to talk to someone about their business-class offerings. Comcast for example does not put a data cap on business lines. Service costs are a little higher, but uptime and support responsiveness for most issues is substantially better.

jonny_q: You do know they already did, right?


Yay, another little white box with 100% lock in to Apple services. Just what the world needs, because Apple is SOOOO much better than Sony or Disney!
 
2013-01-04 01:06:11 AM
The cable companies don't want to get on the cart yet.
 
2013-01-04 01:30:17 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Nope. People will still download only what they want to see commercial free.


Pretty much this.
 
2013-01-04 01:41:43 AM
The bigger problem is trying to convince people they should watch traditional TV "shows", period.

My godson is in 7th grade. His sisters are in 4th and 1st grade, respectively. I spend a lot of time with them, and their friends.

NONE of those kids, or their friends, really watch any TV shows. They all watch YouTube videos, and maybe some stuff on Netflix. They play a LOT of computer/video games, though. Mostly free Flash games on the web, though a surprising number of them play Minecraft.

TV is just not interesting to the generation of kids that were born after the year 2000. I think broadcast TV has about 20 years left before it essentially disappears.
 
2013-01-04 01:58:20 AM
Even barring any Intel or Sony device, the internet alone will easily replace it. So many people are just using a TV as a giant computer monitor now for Netflix, Hulu or pirated media.
 
2013-01-04 02:02:35 AM

themindiswatching: jonny_q: You do know they already did, right? And they aren't particularly popular. Or is that the joke?

An actual TV, not the tiny box thing.


umm...how is that any different than the tiny white box? the device delivering the content doesn't matter.

Hardware companies won't change the game in TV anytime soon. Not when they're up against media conglomerates.
 
2013-01-04 02:27:26 AM
Sony will fark it up. Even if they tap into a gold mine, their other divisions will screw with them. The truth is, old Japanese company culture does not understand the modern world of media. Especially Sony.
 
2013-01-04 02:42:40 AM
Sony? Yeah, they'll insist on some proprietary format or something of that nature and completely fark it up.

I just want the Military Channel, ESPN and History International.
 
2013-01-04 04:29:32 AM

likefunbutnot: Yay, another little white box with 100% lock in to Apple services.


The Apple TV hooks into Netflix, Hulu Plus, NBA, NHL and MLB channels. Of course it also hooks into iTunes, and you do know that iTunes can play files that weren't purchased through iTunes, don't you?
 
2013-01-04 05:24:20 AM
who watches TV? you guys talk as if you were were living in last millennium
 
2013-01-04 06:00:40 AM
Yah the problem with Sony is their recent history of colossal screw ups and penchant for aggressive copyright enforcement they'll come up with something that's even more restrictive and ultimately pricier then the existing model. Its just what they do.
 
2013-01-04 06:33:18 AM
Add me to the growing list of people who cut the cord and now get free over the air TV + almost anything else I want via the internet. I went from paying $150 a month for TV+Internet+Phone to $50 a month for all three combined. Paying an extra $1,200 year for TV we barely watched was epically stupid.

Our only problem is that we don't have any cheap fast internet available. Time Warner is our only option for anything above 6 meg down, and it wants $80 a month for it's fastest service. The insult is that TWC has been rolling out data caps. You just know they will set those caps below what people need for streaming service. When I add together what we stream with Steam downloads, I'm sure we go over 20 or 30 gigs a month some months. Where they've rolled them out TWC's caps are 5 gig with a $1 a gig charge for every gig you go over.
 
2013-01-04 07:19:52 AM

skinink: At this point I don't care about the Next Big Cable Killer. I'm happy with my Netflix and Amazon Prime memberships plus the Roku I use for streaming. In addition I just noticed that Amazon Prime is really picking up with the number of films/shows that you can stream. I'm seeing a lot of good content from 2012. I'm very happy that I cut the cord from cable and am saving $1,200 a year I wasted on Comcast.


Do you really find anything on Amazon Prime that isn't on Netflix?
 
2013-01-04 08:09:00 AM

meanmutton: skinink: At this point I don't care about the Next Big Cable Killer. I'm happy with my Netflix and Amazon Prime memberships plus the Roku I use for streaming. In addition I just noticed that Amazon Prime is really picking up with the number of films/shows that you can stream. I'm seeing a lot of good content from 2012. I'm very happy that I cut the cord from cable and am saving $1,200 a year I wasted on Comcast.

Do you really find anything on Amazon Prime that isn't on Netflix?


I had Netflix first, then got Amazon Prime. They do have some differences, but it's genre specific, and it rotates just as much as Netflix. The reason I keep both is:

1. Netflix gets new streaming shows first, and a lot of kids shows that my daughter will watch (not necessarily new ones, either; she'll watch everything from Fat Albert and Scooby Doo to Fan Boy and Chum Chum).

2. Amazon Prime free two day shipping. No shipping costs no matter how much it weighs? You betcha.

3. I have three ROKU devices. Netflix only lets me watch on two at a time, and so I get to watch whatever on Amazon while the wife and daughter watch Netflix.

4. Can't find anything free that I want to watch? Got the whole Amazon library to rent or buy in two seconds. Red Box and a media store without getting off the couch? Sign me up.

...and all for about $15 a month for both (not counting rentals or purchases).
 
2013-01-04 08:11:05 AM

BolloxReader: p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?

Data caps. Cellular will never replace wired service unless the government steps in, buys the infrastructure and requires anyone leasing towers to offer unlimited wireless broadband.

Of course the same thing with wired internet.

Seriously, when will people realize that as long as someone is allowed to own both content and delivery service there is no way that these schemes are going to work?

It has nothing to do with economics or business models. It has to do with power plays and ego and nobody does that like the entertainment world.


press.take88.com
 
2013-01-04 08:30:18 AM
I think sooner or later the ultimate death of cable will be when sports franchises like the MLB and NFL cut the cord and offer their content as a standalone app you can pay for. It is done right now to a small extent but you have to already be subscribed to the TV package to have access.

Ultimately, I think that the csot of content will still ultimately rest with internet providers and how much they choose to charge in terms fo . The only problem is that many of them also happen to be TV providers as well as have huge stakes in content producing companies.

//waves tiny google flag
 
2013-01-04 08:47:24 AM

realmolo: I think broadcast TV has about 20 years left before it essentially disappears.


Not soon enough for me. It's like living in the stone age.
 
2013-01-04 11:12:19 AM

Trocadero: Nevermind that shiat, Sony just patented a no-connection ID system to block used games.


Step 1) make bit-for-bit copy of RFID tag prior to first use
Step 2) re-write RFID tag to virgin state before selling

assuming they are cheap bastards and use OTS technology to impliment the tags

Apparent Bonus: Lose your tag and your game disc becomes a coaster
 
2013-01-04 11:57:02 AM

twistofsin: It's also worth noting that Disney has already thrown it's weight behind Hulu.


I think you mean, Netflix.
 
2013-01-04 11:57:48 AM

StoPPeRmobile: BolloxReader: p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?

Data caps. Cellular will never replace wired service unless the government steps in, buys the infrastructure and requires anyone leasing towers to offer unlimited wireless broadband.

Of course the same thing with wired internet.

Seriously, when will people realize that as long as someone is allowed to own both content and delivery service there is no way that these schemes are going to work?

It has nothing to do with economics or business models. It has to do with power plays and ego and nobody does that like the entertainment world.

[press.take88.com image 356x451]


You got lost on your way to the politics thread, I see.
 
2013-01-04 02:19:27 PM

meanmutton: StoPPeRmobile: BolloxReader: p4p3rm4t3: mltain: And this high speed internet is going to be provided by who exactly?

Data caps. Cellular will never replace wired service unless the government steps in, buys the infrastructure and requires anyone leasing towers to offer unlimited wireless broadband.

Of course the same thing with wired internet.

Seriously, when will people realize that as long as someone is allowed to own both content and delivery service there is no way that these schemes are going to work?

It has nothing to do with economics or business models. It has to do with power plays and ego and nobody does that like the entertainment world.

[press.take88.com image 356x451]

You got lost on your way to the politics thread, I see.


Haven't you noticed. Politics is in all tabs now.

It's funny because, "nobody does that like the entertainment world," so I proved that assertion wrong.

The politics is just icing.
 
kab
2013-01-04 02:22:22 PM
Anyone with a clue about this company will quickly realize that whatever they offer will actually be worse for the consumer than the current cable offerings.
 
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