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2013-01-03 09:52:01 PM  

Cymbal: OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.

Even with a paternity test? How? What's the reasoning?


Something along lines of already supporting and raising the child as your own. My girlfriend's stepdad had a co-worker that this happened to. It wasn't until the kid was about 9 that he found out. At that point, there was nothing he could do. He was conflicted because while he loved his son, knowing that the kid is physical evidence of his wife's infidelity probably f*cked him up pretty good.

The only upside to that could be the child learning the truth and telling his mother to f*ck off. Who knows.
 
2013-01-03 09:54:35 PM  

OgreMagi: Cymbal: OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.

Even with a paternity test? How? What's the reasoning?

Yep.  If the paternity test proves you are not the father, you still pay child support because you did not dispute the birth certificate.  It's stupid, but it's also the law in some states.

Paternity tests should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.


Agreed. I had argued the point that the father should always ask for a paternity test before signing the birth certificate. It was counter-argued that if you don't trust the mother to be faithful, why have a child with her at all?

Having it as a state-mandated test would relieve the man of having to ask for one and risk looking distrustful. Also, it could save him 18 years of child support if she was farking around.
 
2013-01-03 09:56:21 PM  

topcon: Cymbal: topcon: What about women who poke holes in condoms? I personally know someone who this happened to, she admitted it, after she was pregnant, of course. Then they got married shortly after. No idea if they still are, this happened around 2000.

I think that would probably give you carte blanche to cheat on her and treat her like shiat, and she'd just have take it. Sounds pretty sweet actually.

They were both insufferable people to some extent. Both came from families of divorce, she lost her virginity at like 13, he was probably like 10th in line at 20 or 21 years old when they got married. I used to be friends with both of them, moved away. They would both tell me shiat in private then I'd have to pretend like I didn't hear it when I was alone with either of them. Really annoying people. I actually looked them up once to see if they were still married but I couldn't find them on any kind of social networking site or anything despite the fact they have an unusual last name.


They killed each other man, forget it there dead.
 
2013-01-03 09:56:39 PM  

Bisu: Cymbal: The pussy should really be the third favorite hole. So much less pregnancy risk with the other two.

If you only think there's three viable holes you're really missing out...

Monkey ran up my arm & stuck his dick in my ear. Felt like a wet Q-Tip

- Richard Pryor
 
2013-01-03 10:04:52 PM  

pxlboy: OgreMagi: Cymbal: OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.

Even with a paternity test? How? What's the reasoning?

Yep.  If the paternity test proves you are not the father, you still pay child support because you did not dispute the birth certificate.  It's stupid, but it's also the law in some states.

Paternity tests should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.

Agreed. I had argued the point that the father should always ask for a paternity test before signing the birth certificate. It was counter-argued that if you don't trust the mother to be faithful, why have a child with her at all?

Having it as a state-mandated test would relieve the man of having to ask for one and risk looking distrustful. Also, it could save him 18 years of child support if she was farking around.


If you're legally married to the woman even if you have not lived with her for 5 years or slept with her in 5 years and she has a baby guess what sucker??? Yep that's right daddy! Does not mater if you have a test that proves you are not the dad you are legally it and get to pay for the next 18 years unless the boyfriend signs the birth record then you "may" get off the hook.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:13 PM  

Cymbal: Bathysphere: So glad I use the Patch. Verifiable proof of birth control.

I still wouldn't trust it 100%. You may have forgotten to replace it when it expires. Or gotten it confused with a nicotine patch. Most women I date are too stupid to tell the difference.

Nope, the best birth control is anal sex. No chance of her saving it under her toungue and freezing it for later you get with oral, and tighter than pussy usually. Best of both worlds.


In case you were serious-

You shag her anal doggie style, all that frothy sperm laden fluid is going to eventually head south and could enter the gai-gai so your risk of pregnancy still exists. Sorry to ruin the myth that anal was the only effective method that was 100% effective.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:30 PM  

RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.


And all because the state doesn't want to have to pay anything for the kid. It's basically slavery.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:53 PM  

KimNorth: pxlboy: OgreMagi: Cymbal: OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.

Even with a paternity test? How? What's the reasoning?

Yep.  If the paternity test proves you are not the father, you still pay child support because you did not dispute the birth certificate.  It's stupid, but it's also the law in some states.

Paternity tests should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.

Agreed. I had argued the point that the father should always ask for a paternity test before signing the birth certificate. It was counter-argued that if you don't trust the mother to be faithful, why have a child with her at all?

Having it as a state-mandated test would relieve the man of having to ask for one and risk looking distrustful. Also, it could save him 18 years of child support if she was farking around.

If you're legally married to the woman even if you have not lived with her for 5 years or slept with her in 5 years and she has a baby guess what sucker??? Yep that's right daddy! Does not mater if you have a test that proves you are not the dad you are legally it and get to pay for the next 18 years unless the boyfriend signs the birth record then you "may" get off the hook.


Even if a paternity test proves it's not yours?
 
2013-01-03 10:10:18 PM  

media.philly.com



You shag her anal doggie style, all that frothy sperm laden fluid is going to eventually head south and could enter the gai-gai so your risk of pregnancy still exists. Sorry to ruin the myth that anal was the only effective method that was 100% effective.

-Mark Twain

 
2013-01-03 10:11:16 PM  

clowncar on fire: Cymbal: Bathysphere: So glad I use the Patch. Verifiable proof of birth control.

I still wouldn't trust it 100%. You may have forgotten to replace it when it expires. Or gotten it confused with a nicotine patch. Most women I date are too stupid to tell the difference.

Nope, the best birth control is anal sex. No chance of her saving it under her toungue and freezing it for later you get with oral, and tighter than pussy usually. Best of both worlds.

In case you were serious-

You shag her anal doggie style, all that frothy sperm laden fluid Santorum is going to eventually head south and could enter the gai-gai so your risk of pregnancy still exists. Sorry to ruin the myth that anal was the only effective method that was 100% effective.


C'mon man, you had a perfect opportunity to use that word in every day conversation and you botched it. Get your head in the game.

\Would have voted for Santorum
\\Still thinks it's funny
 
2013-01-03 10:12:05 PM  

moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?


No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.
 
2013-01-03 10:12:57 PM  

UsikFark: Fun fact: some women do not realize they are pregnant until the baby is actually coming out. There are (claimed) cases where a woman has given birth during sleep.

I'll leave it to you to imagine the type to not readily show/recognize the signs of pregnancy.


........and someone would choose to knock up one of THAT kind of woman, just to make sure he could stay with her?


I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
 
2013-01-03 10:13:03 PM  

steerforth: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.


You sound lonely
 
2013-01-03 10:15:24 PM  
Yep, unless you have already filed the paperwork for a legal seperation then you can still be married but have that on file with the court and still have years go by not legally getting a divorce. This "can" make you okay with the court.
 
2013-01-03 10:15:37 PM  

pxlboy: steerforth: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.

You sound lonely


You sound incarcerated.
 
2013-01-03 10:16:26 PM  

steerforth: pxlboy: steerforth: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.

You sound lonely

You sound incarcerated.


LOLWUT
 
2013-01-03 10:17:01 PM  

pxlboy: KimNorth: pxlboy: OgreMagi: Cymbal: OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.

Even with a paternity test? How? What's the reasoning?

Yep.  If the paternity test proves you are not the father, you still pay child support because you did not dispute the birth certificate.  It's stupid, but it's also the law in some states.

Paternity tests should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.

Agreed. I had argued the point that the father should always ask for a paternity test before signing the birth certificate. It was counter-argued that if you don't trust the mother to be faithful, why have a child with her at all?

Having it as a state-mandated test would relieve the man of having to ask for one and risk looking distrustful. Also, it could save him 18 years of child support if she was farking around.

If you're legally married to the woman even if you have not lived with her for 5 years or slept with her in 5 years and she has a baby guess what sucker??? Yep that's right daddy! Does not mater if you have a test that proves you are not the dad you are legally it and get to pay for the next 18 years unless the boyfriend sign ...


Yep, unless you have already filed the paperwork for a legal seperation then you can still be married but have that on file with the court and still have years go by not legally getting a divorce. This "can" make you okay with the court.
 
2013-01-03 10:17:49 PM  
 
2013-01-03 10:21:34 PM  

OgreMagi: pxlboy: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

Nice try. Men pretty much get the sh*t end of the deal in family court. As it was mentioned up-thread, if a woman does it, he's on the hook. When men a does it, he's still on the hook.

1/10

If a man doesn't do it, but supplies the sperm so lesbians can have a baby, he's still on the hook, despite a written agreement saying otherwise (see previous thread on this subject for details).


There are some exceptions, but it's thin enough ground that that is probably a safe assumption in the US. However in the UK a lesbian couple can release the donor and it's binding. I'm considering a directed donation to such a couple before I get mine snipped. Give the US a couple decades of gay marriage and the law will probably end up the same here but for now it's too risky unless you're independently wealthy.
 
2013-01-03 10:28:50 PM  
"He thought having a child together would be the best way to save their relationship." Anyone and everyone who thinks that should be sterilized immediately.
 
2013-01-03 10:33:16 PM  
I believe there have been cases where a sperm donor (not to an individual, but to a bank) has been found to be liable for child support.

You can get farked either way. You're nice enough to help out a pair of lesbians and can end up on the hook. It can not even be your kid and you can be on the hook.
 
2013-01-03 10:35:30 PM  

Chabash: If she consented to sex, she consented to all the dangers. Condoms aren't 100%...


DUMBASS says chabash?
 
2013-01-03 10:40:42 PM  

topcon: taurusowner: Every week or 2 a thread like this comes around and makes me even more glad I got a vasectomy.

How old were you when you got it? A guy I work with, his nephew wanted to get one at like 22 with no kids. He had a lot of trouble finding a doctor who would agree to do it but finally did. Weird how they're so "ethical" about such a thing.


I went to get one 2 years ago, at 47.
She talked me out of it. Clearly I wasnt certain that I didnt want kids. FML
They try to turn away 20 somethings.
They see way too many people who want to reverse it a few years later.

Plus, the whole, still not 100% and auto reverses itself sometimes? WTF
 
2013-01-03 10:41:31 PM  

pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.


Sorry, no court in the world lets the child suffer because daddy was stupid. That's the general basis for child-support laws. The general thinking is that regardless of whether the parents were careless, mommy was a sneak, or dad was thoughtless, the result was a baby who deserves to be taken care of. Daddy could have kept it in his pants. If mommy poked a hole in the condom, well....daddy could have kept it in his pants.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with this, but that's where the child-support laws are coming from.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:08 PM  

steerforth: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.


You just jealous because you are late to the party and all the good shiat has been riffed on already. You are frustrated because you will get no LOLs, lulz, or snicker-doodles from this thread no matter how hard you try. It might as well be dead to you. I pity you really. But take heart, there will always be other threads you can go and try and be the first to talk about how much you secretly love anal. Just keep refreshing that homepage.
 
2013-01-03 10:45:20 PM  

OgreMagi: Paternity tests should be required by law before the birth certificate is issued.


THIS WOULD BE SO AWESOME.
And while we are at it, DNA test everyone. period.
TADA
close all those open cases where there is DNA evidence sitting around and resolve all the current children by a different father questions which are still out there.

bwhahah haahahahaahaha hahahahaa
/cracks me up when people use the "the government might use that to frame me" argument
 
2013-01-03 10:45:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.

Sorry, no court in the world lets the child suffer because daddy was stupid. That's the general basis for child-support laws. The general thinking is that regardless of whether the parents were careless, mommy was a sneak, or dad was thoughtless, the result was a baby who deserves to be taken care of. Daddy could have kept it in his pants. If mommy poked a hole in the condom, well....daddy could have kept it in his pants.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with this, but that's where the child-support laws are coming from.


The problem is a man has absolutely no say in the matter, even if the woman poked the holes in the condom.  The woman can choose to abort or not.  A man can pay child support, or he can pay child support.  I'm not suggesting we start forcing women to have abortions.  However, if she committed fraud (pin holes in the condom or fetched the condom out of the trash), I might consider an exception.
 
2013-01-03 10:49:02 PM  

OgreMagi: Gyrfalcon: pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.

Sorry, no court in the world lets the child suffer because daddy was stupid. That's the general basis for child-support laws. The general thinking is that regardless of whether the parents were careless, mommy was a sneak, or dad was thoughtless, the result was a baby who deserves to be taken care of. Daddy could have kept it in his pants. If mommy poked a hole in the condom, well....daddy could have kept it in his pants.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with this, but that's where the child-support laws are coming from.

The problem is a man has absolutely no say in the matter, even if the woman poked the holes in the condom.  The woman can choose to abort or not.  A man can pay child support, or he can pay child support.  I'm not suggesting we start forcing women to have abortions.  However, if she committed fraud (pin holes in the condom or fetched the condom out of the trash), I might consider an exception.


Got no problem with mandatory abortions in that case. How awesome a person you think that kid is going to grow up to be if his parents are forced to care for someone they don't want?
 
2013-01-03 10:51:30 PM  

Cymbal: Got no problem with mandatory abortions in that case. How awesome a person you think that kid is going to grow up to be if his parents are forced to care for someone they don't want?


and forced sterilization of the crazy biatch
on the other hand, crazy biatches have been pulling this crap and would just find another way ....
going on the pill and just not taking it ...
and so on
 
2013-01-03 10:52:40 PM  

Tornado of Zoo Animals: How about girls that "forget" to take the pill so that they can lock down the guy? Where's justice for them?


If they admit it in a recorded, verifiable manner they'd likely be pretty farked legally as well. As it's apparently considered sexual assault in that jurisdiction.
 
2013-01-03 11:01:45 PM  

robodog: There are some exceptions, but it's thin enough ground that that is probably a safe assumption in the US. However in the UK a lesbian couple can release the donor and it's binding. I'm considering a directed donation to such a couple before I get mine snipped. Give the US a couple decades of gay marriage and the law will probably end up the same here but for now it's too risky unless you're independently wealthy.


In that case, it was kinda farked up, even the lesbians didn't want child support, but the state was forcing the issue. (Link)

He provided sperm for them in 2009, they did it independently without medical assistance, and used a syringe apparently to perform the insemination.

That state's laws only provided legal protection for the sperm donor if a Physician performed the procedure and signed off on the donation as bona-fide (to prevent a lover from claiming he was a sperm donor to avoid paying child support apparently).

They apparently didn't know this, and indeed signed a contract where he waived all parental rights to the child and the couple waived all child support from him. Despite both parties wanting to enforce that, the state of Kansas is suing to legally break that contract.

Then 3 years later, the lesbian couple seeks state assistance due to hard times from the economic downturn, including . Apparently the caseworker inquired as to the parentage of the child in question, and found out it was a donor. The caseworker insisted upon seeing the documentation from the sperm bank, and was provided with the contract.

The state decided to sue the donor for child support to be paid to the couple, over objections of both parties. The state's reasoning is that before they'll pay any social welfare benefits to a child, they must pursue all legal child support options first. Since they technically didn't meet the states legal requirements for a donation since it was not performed by an M.D., even though both parties didn't want it, they couldn't legally waive child support and parental rights and the state is forcing the matter.
So yeah, in family courts, your Y chromosome is proof of guilt.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:14 PM  

pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.


I'd love to "this" this, but I can't. Why? Because he was dumb enough to fess up to it, and that makes it his fault he got caught.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:35 PM  

OgreMagi: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

That has happened.  The women grabbed the used condom out of the trashcan and impregnated herself with the contents.  Yes, the guy ended up paying child support.


There was even a case were a woman gave a man a blow job and saved the semen to later impregnate herself and he was ordered to pay support.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:42 PM  

Silverstaff: robodog: There are some exceptions, but it's thin enough ground that that is probably a safe assumption in the US. However in the UK a lesbian couple can release the donor and it's binding. I'm considering a directed donation to such a couple before I get mine snipped. Give the US a couple decades of gay marriage and the law will probably end up the same here but for now it's too risky unless you're independently wealthy.

In that case, it was kinda farked up, even the lesbians didn't want child support, but the state was forcing the issue. (Link)

He provided sperm for them in 2009, they did it independently without medical assistance, and used a syringe apparently to perform the insemination.

That state's laws only provided legal protection for the sperm donor if a Physician performed the procedure and signed off on the donation as bona-fide (to prevent a lover from claiming he was a sperm donor to avoid paying child support apparently).

They apparently didn't know this, and indeed signed a contract where he waived all parental rights to the child and the couple waived all child support from him. Despite both parties wanting to enforce that, the state of Kansas is suing to legally break that contract.

Then 3 years later, the lesbian couple seeks state assistance due to hard times from the economic downturn, including . Apparently the caseworker inquired as to the parentage of the child in question, and found out it was a donor. The caseworker insisted upon seeing the documentation from the sperm bank, and was provided with the contract.

The state decided to sue the donor for child support to be paid to the couple, over objections of both parties. The state's reasoning is that before they'll pay any social welfare benefits to a child, they must pursue all legal child support options first. Since they technically didn't meet the states legal requirements for a donation since it was not performed by an M.D., even though both parties didn't want it, they cou ...


Yep, and in the US there are 50+ sets of paternity laws plus plenty of contradictory case law. Throw in gay marriage and divorce and it becomes way too opaque for my middle class self to afford the risk. That's why I'm looking to the UK, the law there is black and white and the case law is settled. The only real question was if it would be closed or open donation, the wife said she'd be cool with my offspring tracking me down some day to say hi so open it was =)
 
2013-01-03 11:26:54 PM  
Hmm.

So chicks who lie about being on the pill, or who promise and then fail to get abortions are guilty of "sexual assault" now. Of course this would relieve all men so victimized free of any and all liability.

Hmm.


/At least in Nova Scotia
//If the courts are just
///If


////Fourth slashie (stealth)
 
2013-01-03 11:28:14 PM  

Cymbal: steerforth: moonage daydream: Is this the thread where white American males act so disenfranchised and persecuted?

No, this is the thread where white American males talk about their preference for anal while typing one-handed as they clutch their Real Dolls tightly to their heaving man-boobs, take a quick diversion into their bull-dyke lesbian fantasies and only then do they give way to their disenfranchisement and persecution complexes.

In other words, every day on Fark.

You just jealous because you are late to the party and all the good shiat has been riffed on already. You are frustrated because you will get no LOLs, lulz, or snicker-doodles from this thread no matter how hard you try. It might as well be dead to you. I pity you really. But take heart, there will always be other threads you can go and try and be the first to talk about how much you secretly love anal. Just keep refreshing that homepage.


Yes, dear. You've been trolling this thread pretty hard and only managed to lasso in a couple of the usual retarded suspects. Well done to you!
 
2013-01-03 11:29:59 PM  

ultraholland: JasonOfOrillia: Mistake #1: committing the crime.
Mistake #2: admitting to the crime in a verifiable manner.

Mistake #3: Being so farking unstable that any of this seemed like a good idea.



He needs a good rudderin'!
 
2013-01-03 11:30:44 PM  

OgreMagi: Gyrfalcon: pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.

Sorry, no court in the world lets the child suffer because daddy was stupid. That's the general basis for child-support laws. The general thinking is that regardless of whether the parents were careless, mommy was a sneak, or dad was thoughtless, the result was a baby who deserves to be taken care of. Daddy could have kept it in his pants. If mommy poked a hole in the condom, well....daddy could have kept it in his pants.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with this, but that's where the child-support laws are coming from.

The problem is a man has absolutely no say in the matter, even if the woman poked the holes in the condom.  The woman can choose to abort or not.  A man can pay child support, or he can pay child support.  I'm not suggesting we start forcing women to have abortions.  However, if she committed fraud (pin holes in the condom or fetched the condom out of the trash), I might consider an exception.


Well, that's why I don't always agree with the laws. If he was entrapped into the situation, there's no reason he should be paying for  his child; unless, you know, he WANTED to because he's a decent person. But in that case, he should get custody and mom shouldn't be able to contest it. If HE commits fraud, like in this case, then mom should get 100% support and he never gets a chance at custody because obviously he's a rat. Or something similar. But just making the guy pay willy-nilly without considering all the circumstances is often not fair.
 
2013-01-03 11:36:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: Gyrfalcon: pxlboy: sycraft: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Sad thing is you are probably correct. She wouldn't get charged with any crime, the courts would say "Well it was your fault for having a kid," and he'd get to support it for the next 21 years.

Pretty much this.

Sorry, no court in the world lets the child suffer because daddy was stupid. That's the general basis for child-support laws. The general thinking is that regardless of whether the parents were careless, mommy was a sneak, or dad was thoughtless, the result was a baby who deserves to be taken care of. Daddy could have kept it in his pants. If mommy poked a hole in the condom, well....daddy could have kept it in his pants.

I don't necessarily agree 100% with this, but that's where the child-support laws are coming from.

The problem is a man has absolutely no say in the matter, even if the woman poked the holes in the condom.  The woman can choose to abort or not.  A man can pay child support, or he can pay child support.  I'm not suggesting we start forcing women to have abortions.  However, if she committed fraud (pin holes in the condom or fetched the condom out of the trash), I might consider an exception.

Well, that's why I don't always agree with the laws. If he was entrapped into the situation, there's no reason he should be paying for  his child; unless, you know, he WANTED to because he's a decent person. But in that case, he should get custody and mom shouldn't be able to contest it. If HE commits fraud, like in this case, then mom should get 100% support and he never gets a chance at custody because obviously he's a rat. Or something similar. But just making the guy pay willy-nilly without considering all the circumstances is often not fair.


Agreed. A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.  As it currently stands, a woman has nothing to lose by using fraud to get pregnant and everything to gain.  I am so glad I got a vasectomy.
 
2013-01-03 11:38:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: there's no reason he should be paying for  his child


... except, you know, the child.
 
2013-01-03 11:39:01 PM  

OgreMagi: A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.


Should an innocent party be harmed by someone else's fraud?
 
2013-01-03 11:42:21 PM  

Theaetetus: OgreMagi: A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.

Should an innocent party be harmed by someone else's fraud?


Forcing some young guy to pay 20 years of child support has the potential to ruin his life.  Is it acceptable to do that based on the excuse that another innocent might be harmed otherwise?  What about the woman who is committing the fraud? She is still getting away with it.
 
2013-01-03 11:45:29 PM  
I've thought for a while that if I ended up getting pegged with a BS child support order, I'd go for custody of the child.
In the meanest , at-her-throat style possible.
Why? I like kids, and I wouldn't want to fund some piece of shiat woman raising some farked up fatherless kid. If I have to pay for a kid, I'm going to make sure they turn out right. Best way to do that is to coldly cut psychos out of the picture.
Of course, this is all Internet tough guy talk, because I'm the faithful, married father of two kids, so this scenario is unlikely.
I've just read enough of these threads to have that idea.
 
2013-01-03 11:50:27 PM  

OgreMagi: Theaetetus: OgreMagi: A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.

Should an innocent party be harmed by someone else's fraud?

Forcing some young guy to pay 20 years of child support has the potential to ruin his life.


Forcing some young child to go 20 years with half the support of the parents he's entitled to has the potential to ruin his life.

If the state is going to choose between "potentially ruining the life of an adult" and "potentially ruining the life of a child", the adult is going to lose every time.
 
2013-01-03 11:51:28 PM  

dfenstrate: I've thought for a while that if I ended up getting pegged with a BS child support order, I'd go for custody of the child.
In the meanest , at-her-throat style possible.
...I'm going to make sure they turn out right.


As a mean bastard who goes at the throat of anyone who he feels wrongs him?
 
2013-01-03 11:59:31 PM  

Theaetetus: OgreMagi: Theaetetus: OgreMagi: A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.

Should an innocent party be harmed by someone else's fraud?

Forcing some young guy to pay 20 years of child support has the potential to ruin his life.

Forcing some young child to go 20 years with half the support of the parents he's entitled to has the potential to ruin his life.

If the state is going to choose between "potentially ruining the life of an adult" and "potentially ruining the life of a child", the adult is going to lose every time.


Yeah, it would be nice if it worked that way. It rarely does though.
The state CS agencies are filled with automatons that only care about extracting their pound of flesh from somebody. I personally spent two years in and out of hearings to have them stop garnishing my wages for child support on a kid that the mother left with me. THEY DID NOT GIVE A shiat, I had a order to pay, and damn it, I was going to pay.

The best part was, the mother went to another state, claimed TANF there as though she had the kid, and claimed she was getting no support. I'm still fighting with that state over whether I owe them for the TANF she got. School records didn't seem to be enough to convince them, or the fact that my wages were still being garnished for child support, they say I owe 'em $2000, so that's the way it is. Don't like it? We'll schedule a hearing for a year from now that will be judged by an attorney that is on the payroll of the CS office. That sure sounds like it will be a fair hearing of the facts, doesn't it?

I'm not saying child support should exist. I am saying that the current system is horribly broken, and people every day are getting their lives farked over badly because of the way the cases are handled.
 
2013-01-04 12:11:16 AM  

Cymbal: Bathysphere: So glad I use the Patch. Verifiable proof of birth control.

I still wouldn't trust it 100%. You may have forgotten to replace it when it expires. Or gotten it confused with a nicotine patch. Most women I date are too stupid to tell the difference.

Nope, the best birth control is anal sex. No chance of her saving it under her toungue and freezing it for later you get with oral, and tighter than pussy usually. Best of both worlds.


.
Oh really? Just where do you think little baby assholes come from?
 
2013-01-04 12:17:34 AM  
50 bucks says this couple is from Dartmouth
 
2013-01-04 12:19:59 AM  

OgreMagi: pxlboy: RedVentrue: inglixthemad: taurusowner: And if she did it to him? That's a child supportin'

Heck, if the woman did anything and got knocked up with his sperm. Even if he masturbated onto the counter and she shoveled it in herself while he ran to get a towel to clean it up. She'd probably still get child support.

Some cases, he doesn't even have to be the father, or even sleep with her. Watch out who you roommate with.

It's a sad state of affairs that a man's genetic material can be used to extort almost two decades' worth of money out of him (if it's true)

In some states, if you don't dispute your name being on the birth certificate as the father at the time it is issued, you have ZERO recourse.  So if a few years later you find out your loving wife was banging the UPS guy and fathered your supposed child, you are still on the hook for child support.


Case in point
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/moberly-mo/TFLDPJC75IU9FQA7N
 
2013-01-04 12:20:58 AM  

OgreMagi: Agreed. A person (male or female) should not be able to benefit from fraud.  As it currently stands, a woman has nothing to lose by using fraud to get pregnant and everything to gain.  I am so glad I got a vasectomy.


It wouldn't surprise if a lawyer could get around this somehow.
 
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