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2013-01-03 08:40:57 PM  
Derr...
 
2013-01-03 08:41:47 PM  
Will apple soon patent how to take shiat? (both on western and eastern commodes.)

Will they patent how to take a shiat while running on a treadmill while updating your twitter account?

Will they patent how babby is formed?
 
2013-01-03 08:43:19 PM  
FTFA: Apple's aptly-named "System and method fro planning layout of a retail store"


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-03 08:44:25 PM  
I think Google should be in charge of everything on the internet
/Oh wait I might be accused of being a Microsoft or Apple paid shill
\Needs to stop drinking
 
2013-01-03 08:54:02 PM  

AuralArgument: Will apple soon patent how to take shiat? (both on western and eastern commodes.)

Will they patent how to take a shiat while running on a treadmill while updating your twitter account?

Will they patent how babby is formed?


Rage much?  Back when Apple released the iPod they were sued by a patent troll and lost.  At the time they never really bothered with patents.  So Jobs basically said 'fark this shiat' and since then they have been patenting everything including the kitchen sink.

/as they should
//patent system is broken
 
2013-01-03 08:54:13 PM  
WAT
 
2013-01-03 08:57:17 PM  
Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.
 
2013-01-03 08:59:37 PM  
Does Microsoft have stores?
 
2013-01-03 09:01:36 PM  
Apple's application was first filed for in September 2012 as a continuation of a 2011 pre-grant publication.

Wat?

This application was a continuation of a 2012 application, which claimed priority to a 2011 provisional application. It's in the first paragraph of the specification. Sheesh, AI, usually your "reporters" are better than this.
 
2013-01-03 09:02:40 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.


That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.
 
2013-01-03 09:18:35 PM  

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.


That's because they're just called stores. Microsoft doesn't need some crafty store to peddle their product.
 
2013-01-03 09:20:19 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.

That's because they're just called stores. Microsoft doesn't need some crafty store to peddle their product.


p.twimg.com
 
2013-01-03 09:23:22 PM  
You can patent crowded mess? I'm filing for my office.
 
2013-01-03 09:37:41 PM  

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.


Christ, save your Microsoft vs Apple thing for someone with a fark to give.

Be it the cause of the customers or the employees, the Apple store nearest to me is a disorganized fark pile where it's been impossible for even the employees to find accessories their system states they have in stock. That's the store's problem to fix, and the store's loss when they can't make a sale because of it. And unless there are wild herds of customers waiting at the doors on weekday mornings to trash the joint, I think I'll blame the staff since it's always a mess regardless of the number of customers.

It's a simple statement of fact. Accept it as much and try not to imagine this is some wild dig at Apple or tacit defense of Microsoft.
 
2013-01-03 09:46:01 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.

Christ, save your Microsoft vs Apple thing for someone with a fark to give.


You wrote all of that in response to a common joke, so clearly, you have a fark to give. ^.^
 
zez
2013-01-03 10:02:18 PM  
 
2013-01-03 10:03:01 PM  

gingerjet: AuralArgument: Will apple soon patent how to take shiat? (both on western and eastern commodes.)

Will they patent how to take a shiat while running on a treadmill while updating your twitter account?

Will they patent how babby is formed?

Rage much?  Back when Apple released the iPod they were sued by a patent troll and lost.  At the time they never really bothered with patents.  So Jobs basically said 'fark this shiat' and since then they have been patenting everything including the kitchen sink.

/as they should
//patent system is broken


So they decided to troll because they were trolled?

Are they going to sue Walmart, target, best buy over their electronics displays?

Die apple
 
2013-01-03 10:14:31 PM  
Man, this tab gets a lot of anti-Microsoft links when the adults go back to work.
 
2013-01-03 10:34:59 PM  

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.


To be fair I like to crop dust the entrance to Apple stores. That's enough to cause a riot
 
2013-01-03 10:57:28 PM  
How long will it be before Microsoft realizes their empty stores filled with untrained employees are damaging their brand? Or do they even give the slightest shiat about their image at this point?
 
2013-01-03 11:06:24 PM  
Remember that old Onion article about Microsoft patenting the 1 and 0?  That was funny.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:46 PM  
Why doesn't Apple go ahead and patent the universe? Then everybody will have to pay Apple just for existing.
 
2013-01-03 11:11:15 PM  

MrEricSir: How long will it be before Microsoft realizes their empty stores filled with untrained employees are damaging their brand? Or do they even give the slightest shiat about their image at this point?


MS seem to think aping Apple's every move will work for them. Last time I was at the mall there were pink banners all over that said "Surface" in white and nothing else.

"What's Surface? Who sells it? What does it do?"
-Shaddup, it works for iPad.
 
2013-01-03 11:18:22 PM  
Let's look at the sliver lining. This could put the final nail into Radio Shack's coffin.
 
2013-01-03 11:22:47 PM  

moothemagiccow: MrEricSir: How long will it be before Microsoft realizes their empty stores filled with untrained employees are damaging their brand? Or do they even give the slightest shiat about their image at this point?

MS seem to think aping Apple's every move will work for them. Last time I was at the mall there were pink banners all over that said "Surface" in white and nothing else.

"What's Surface? Who sells it? What does it do?"
-Shaddup, it works for iPad.


Everytime I see an ad for the Surface, I think of that big-ass table they were hyping five years ago.
 
2013-01-03 11:34:53 PM  

zez: Did anyone else see this linked story at the bottom?

Apple applies for iOS 'Notification Center' patent years after Google's 'Notification Bar'


And did you hear, Tesla Motors has filed for a patent on a car, years after Ford's Model T?

Just because two things are named or described in similar terms doesn't mean that they're actually identical.
 
2013-01-03 11:38:56 PM  

GreenAdder: Let's look at the sliver lining. This could put the final nail into Radio Shack's coffin.


Not sure how silver a lining that is.  In my admittedly small city (50,000 people?) my options are Target, WalMart, OfficeMax, Sears, Radio Shack, and a couple resellers - one Mac, one mainly PC.  If I want to get hands-on with an iPad and a PlayBook, or a Kindle Fire and a Nook, or all of the above plus some random Android tablets, guess what's the only store that actually carries them all?

/But oh, there's a Best Buy only $200 round-trip airfare away!  Woo.
 
2013-01-03 11:40:17 PM  
Anybody else been to one of Comcast's "service centers" lately? They are so obviously trying to be the Apple Store it's pathetic. Stupid layout and just as competent and well-thought-out as you would expect from Comcast. It must be a ploy to make customers more willing to pay inflated shipping costs in order to avoid setting foot in that travesty.
 
2013-01-03 11:40:26 PM  

I believe I speak for pretty much everyone when I say:

STOP PATENTING EVERY PIECE OF MINUTIAE, APPLE!


/Christ they're douchebags
 
2013-01-03 11:42:36 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: moothemagiccow: MrEricSir: How long will it be before Microsoft realizes their empty stores filled with untrained employees are damaging their brand? Or do they even give the slightest shiat about their image at this point?

MS seem to think aping Apple's every move will work for them. Last time I was at the mall there were pink banners all over that said "Surface" in white and nothing else.

"What's Surface? Who sells it? What does it do?"
-Shaddup, it works for iPad.

Everytime I see an ad for the Surface, I think of that big-ass table they were hyping five years ago.


I had one of those big-ass tables, one of the prototypes, in my office for a while. Fun as hell to play with, I have to say. Had real RPG promise.
 
2013-01-04 12:15:45 AM  

ajgeek: I believe I speak for pretty much everyone when I say:
STOP PATENTING EVERY PIECE OF MINUTIAE, APPLE!
/Christ they're douchebags


Other technology giants have just as many if not more patents. The only reason Apple's patents are newsworthy is because they are popular and hip. Since you are arguing that Apple has too many patents, are you then arguing that Samsung, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Toshiba, Sony, and others also have too many patents?
 
2013-01-04 01:15:19 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: Other technology giants have just as many if not more patents.


I don't think the complaint is that Apple has too many patents. I think the issue is that they're patenting ridiculous stuff, and because our patent system is wonky, they're getting away with it. Rounded corners and store layouts shouldn't be patentable.
 
2013-01-04 02:18:32 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: ajgeek: I believe I speak for pretty much everyone when I say:
STOP PATENTING EVERY PIECE OF MINUTIAE, APPLE!
/Christ they're douchebags

Other technology giants have just as many if not more patents. The only reason Apple's patents are newsworthy is because they are popular and hip. Since you are arguing that Apple has too many patents, are you then arguing that Samsung, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Toshiba, Sony, and others also have too many patents?


The issue is not the number of patents, but how vague many of them are, and the resulting lawsuits.
 
2013-01-04 02:34:56 AM  
Apple wants to patent servers and clients? How about no? No is good.
 
2013-01-04 02:45:56 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: ajgeek: I believe I speak for pretty much everyone when I say:
STOP PATENTING EVERY PIECE OF MINUTIAE, APPLE!
/Christ they're douchebags

Other technology giants have just as many if not more patents. The only reason Apple's patents are newsworthy is because they are popular and hip. Since you are arguing that Apple has too many patents, are you then arguing that Samsung, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Toshiba, Sony, and others also have too many patents?


I would.  The patent system is broken.  I worked for a patent law firm for five years doing searches in the 90's, and the patents that were granted then weren't anywhere near as general as what is allowed now.
 
2013-01-04 06:04:30 AM  

RedPhoenix122: The issue is not the number of patents, but how vague many of them are, and the resulting lawsuits.


That's the problem. I don't fault Apple for patenting everything it can get away with, that isn't Apples problem, but the fault of our current patent system. The bone I do have to pick with Apple is the number of lawsuits they're filling. Patenting the color and shape of your ceiling tiles for defense is one thing, suing everyone who has white square ceiling tiles in their office when they get one of those stupid patents is another.

If we don't fix our current patent system, we're just going to keep losing our edge in technology. Who's going to fund an innovative start up when one of the big boys can sue them into oblivion because of an overly vague patent. Even if the start up would win eventually, just the cost of defense can crush many small companies.
 
2013-01-04 06:24:35 AM  

BigBooper: If we don't fix our current patent system, we're just going to keep losing our edge in technology. Who's going to fund an innovative start up when one of the big boys can sue them into oblivion because of an overly vague patent. Even if the start up would win eventually, just the cost of defense can crush many small companies.


Those big boys were once startups.  And while I agree that the startups with the best ideas need to succeed, there are plenty of bad, non-innovative ideas out there and the herd has to be culled somehow.
 
2013-01-04 06:36:03 AM  

Theaetetus: Shrugging Atlas: Maybe it's just the one by me, but I find that Apple store to be a giant clusterfark.

That's because they're usually crowded with customers, as opposed to the Microsoft stores, which are crowded with Microsoft employees twiddling their thumbs.


We have a rather sizeable mall around here that happens to have a microsoft store right across from an apple store. Every time I happen to walk by, they tend to have about the same number of people in them. You might think the apple store is crowded because they always have about 40 employees crammed in there...
 
2013-01-04 06:41:31 AM  

dbirchall: BigBooper: If we don't fix our current patent system, we're just going to keep losing our edge in technology. Who's going to fund an innovative start up when one of the big boys can sue them into oblivion because of an overly vague patent. Even if the start up would win eventually, just the cost of defense can crush many small companies.

Those big boys were once startups.  And while I agree that the startups with the best ideas need to succeed, there are plenty of bad, non-innovative ideas out there and the herd has to be culled somehow.


But they were start ups when the rules were different. The market should decide who wins and who loses. An inventor with a truly new idea (i.e. they are not violating someone's patent) should not have to chose between selling his invention and patents to one of the big corporations, or being crushed in legal fees by one of those same big companies. Our system only works if the little guy can become a success. If the rich and established companies crush the little companies, then innovation eventually grinds to a halt.
 
2013-01-04 07:06:29 AM  

BigBooper: dbirchall: BigBooper: If we don't fix our current patent system, we're just going to keep losing our edge in technology. Who's going to fund an innovative start up when one of the big boys can sue them into oblivion because of an overly vague patent. Even if the start up would win eventually, just the cost of defense can crush many small companies.

Those big boys were once startups.  And while I agree that the startups with the best ideas need to succeed, there are plenty of bad, non-innovative ideas out there and the herd has to be culled somehow.

But they were start ups when the rules were different. The market should decide who wins and who loses. An inventor with a truly new idea (i.e. they are not violating someone's patent) should not have to chose between selling his invention and patents to one of the big corporations who then build it in China and lose control of the actual IP sooner rather than later, or being crushed in legal fees by one of those same big companies. Our system only works if the little guy can become a success. If the rich and established companies crush the little companies, then innovation eventually grinds to a halt.


Just figure I'd add that one little bit there for you.
 
2013-01-04 07:16:02 AM  

BigBooper: But they were start ups when the rules were different.


Oh?  Okay, sure, IBM got its start before the patent laws were modernized in 1952 - before then, you could patent obvious things.  And Apple and Microsoft got their start before 1982, when patent cases switched from the "Court of Customs and Patent Appels" to the "Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit" - although I don't think that actually changed the law.  And Google and Yahoo and whoever else got  their start the 2011 Leahy-Smith act, which switches us from "first-to-invent" to "first-to-file" which the rest of the world was already using - but most of that doesn't even go into effect until March, I thought?

Did you mean to say the difference lay in the atmosphere/culture around the rules, and how the courts handled cases?
 
2013-01-04 07:25:49 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: ajgeek: I believe I speak for pretty much everyone when I say:
STOP PATENTING EVERY PIECE OF MINUTIAE, APPLE!
/Christ they're douchebags

Other technology giants have just as many if not more patents. The only reason Apple's patents are newsworthy is because they are popular and hip. Since you are arguing that Apple has too many patents, are you then arguing that Samsung, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Toshiba, Sony, and others also have too many patents?


Yes. Apple isn't the douchebag here. It's congress (surprise surprise). That created this clusterfark of a patent system we have.
 
2013-01-04 08:00:26 AM  

dbirchall: BigBooper: But they were start ups when the rules were different.

Oh?  Okay, sure, IBM got its start before the patent laws were modernized in 1952 - before then, you could patent obvious things.  And Apple and Microsoft got their start before 1982, when patent cases switched from the "Court of Customs and Patent Appels" to the "Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit" - although I don't think that actually changed the law.  And Google and Yahoo and whoever else got  their start the 2011 Leahy-Smith act, which switches us from "first-to-invent" to "first-to-file" which the rest of the world was already using - but most of that doesn't even go into effect until March, I thought?

Did you mean to say the difference lay in the atmosphere/culture around the rules, and how the courts handled cases?


Both changes in law and how companies use the law and the courts. Our current cluster fark has evolved slowly over time, and isn't because of any one change in law or practice. Are you really defending our current patent system? Can you not see how screwed up things are?
 
2013-01-04 08:33:48 AM  
The way a store is laid out is not an invention. This is patent abuse.
 
2013-01-04 08:47:32 AM  
I wonder if it's even possible to actually invent something that isn't already patened (in whole or in part) by someone. I could come up with a working hoverboard, or a wormhole generator, or a real cure for Alzheimer's and find myself dragged into court and lose.
 
2013-01-04 08:53:23 AM  

gingerjet: AuralArgument: Will apple soon patent how to take shiat? (both on western and eastern commodes.)

Will they patent how to take a shiat while running on a treadmill while updating your twitter account?

Will they patent how babby is formed?

Rage much?  Back when Apple released the iPod they were sued by a patent troll and lost.  At the time they never really bothered with patents.  So Jobs basically said 'fark this shiat' and since then they have been patenting everything including the kitchen sink.

/as they should
//patent system is broken


So it's okay when Apple does it, but not when people do it to Apple? Fanboy much? I'm surprised Jobs didn't patent the treatment for pancreatic cancer on his way out.
 
2013-01-04 08:59:25 AM  

macdaddy357: The way a store is laid out is not an invention. This is patent abuse.


The abuse is reading the headline on Fark and thinking that it fully and completely describes the invention.
 
2013-01-04 09:02:54 AM  

swaxhog: I wonder if it's even possible to actually invent something that isn't already patened (in whole or in part) by someone. I could come up with a working hoverboard, or a wormhole generator, or a real cure for Alzheimer's and find myself dragged into court and lose.


Sure, or you could take your billions and billions of dollars you made off that invention and pay a few hundred thousand in royalties for the power supply you're using that was invented by someone else. If you're using their technology, why shouldn't you pay for it, just because you invented something else? Should they get to make hoverboards without paying you, because they invented a power supply? I mean, literally, flip around your statement - "I could come up with a working power supply for a hoverboard, and find myself dragged into court [by the hoverboard inventor] and lose". If you're selling hoverboards, isn't that a reasonable outcome?
 
2013-01-04 09:20:25 AM  

Theaetetus: zez: Did anyone else see this linked story at the bottom?

Apple applies for iOS 'Notification Center' patent years after Google's 'Notification Bar'

And did you hear, Tesla Motors has filed for a patent on a car, years after Ford's Model T?

Just because two things are named or described in similar terms doesn't mean that they're actually identical.


Actually using apples definition it would be the same, just like rounded corners, a way to show you have come to the end of the page, or touch screen on a small device using your fingers. That last one cracked me up, the touch screen already existed but thought they could pat tent using your fingers when anyone who had a touch screen device always used their fingers.
 
2013-01-04 09:39:32 AM  
So, a store that has a central computer that can change data on electronic signs, and products that are displayed in various pods throughout the store, and signage "knows" the approrpriate product it is selling based on the way it's mapped out on the central computer. And a person running the store can instantly update the price across all signage that relates to a certain product?


It slunds like Apple is trying to patent a gas station.
 
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