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(Fox News)   A contest where amateurs hunt in a swamp for snakes that grow up to 18 feet long has just kicked off. In Florida. I don't see what could POSSIBLY go wrong   (foxnews.com) divider line 15
    More: Followup, florida, Burmese pythons, Southeast Asian, Burmese, wildlife officials, ecological damage, Everglades, snakes  
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2013-01-03 10:22:58 PM  
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taurusowner: Bathia_Mapes:
Invasive species are also responsible for the disappearance of certain native birds & animals in Hawaii.

Ok, understandable. But I gotta then ask...so what? New species shows up, some old species go away. Nature continues. Is there an actual problem other than "I like Species X but Species Y is killing them, so let's get rid of Species Y"?


There's a poorly understood reality to evolution, and that is co-evolution. Entire ecosystems evolve together. You are likely familiar with cases where only one type of beetle can pollinate a specific flower. Those two co-evolve in an obvious way, but it extends beyond this. Lynn Margolis, who had a few crazy ideas too, expanded her analysis of symbiosis to include this mutual co-dependence that spans beyond pairs to far more complex dynamic systems.

Invasive species necessarily disrupt that balance and produce rapid changes. Rapid changes are those that occur faster than an ecosystem can adaptatively respond. So it is not so much that we lose one particular butterfly or plant, it's that the entire ecosystem often goes out of balance in a way that affect many species.

Okay, why do you care about that either? Simply because it has unpredictable larger consequences. So it kills off a few mangroves, so what you say. Well that happens to eliminate fish nurseries with a domino effect on ocean fish that can radically reduce the amount of protein we can harvest from the seas leading to hunger and famine, and then war, which raises the price of gas you pay at the pump. So to protect your SUV, we need to minimize the damage done by invasive species.
2013-01-03 09:32:10 PM  
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taurusowner: Question: What's the actual problem with the snakes being in the Everglades?

I get it, a lot of them were born from snakes released into the wild by former owners. So they were introduced by humanity. Got it. Are they killing people or something? I know, they are probably edging out some other species. Nature tends to get upset by outside factors and takes some time to regain balance, if it was ever balanced at all. All I'm saying is that some species thrive, some go extinct. The planet changes and ecosystems change to keep up. It's always happened and won't stop now.

Is there something else going on here other than a feeling of "we humans liked the Everglades as it was before these snakes were here, and since we put them here, we're going to try to remove them"? Is there an actual problem that's harming people or ruining business or commerce? Or is it just people not liking that the ecosystem changed and they want to change it back.


FTA....(And this is referring to Burmese pythons, an invasive species) The voracious predators have devastated the native species like deer, bobcats and raccoons.

Invasive species are also responsible for the disappearance of certain native birds & animals in Hawaii.
2013-01-03 08:46:54 PM  
2 votes:
As long as they mandate that contestants wear helmet cameras and broadcast the best outtakes I see absolutely nothing wrong with this
2013-01-03 11:53:54 PM  
1 votes:
They are going to kill every snake instead of pythons
2013-01-03 11:47:18 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-03 10:09:16 PM  
1 votes:
I live in South Florida, and I hate hunting, but as FSM is my witness, I want to sign up and go get me some new snake-skin boots. If all life is based on intelligent design, then snakes are what came up during an all-night bath salts binge.
2013-01-03 09:56:35 PM  
1 votes:
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sxacho: Manfred J. Hattan: What time will this be on the History Channel?

Idiot. The history channel is for history. What kind of moron would put such a stupid show on the HISTORY channel?!

/really told him


Wrong channel.
2013-01-03 09:53:03 PM  
1 votes:

Karac: Bathia_Mapes: taurusowner: Question

Besides, this current solution is to get rednecks to go grab their guns and try to shoot up something. It's not lik ...


What do you mean "try"? You obviously never saw my redneck grandmother hunt down a copperhead with a garden hoe.
2013-01-03 09:36:19 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: taurusowner: Question: What's the actual problem with the snakes being in the Everglades?

I get it, a lot of them were born from snakes released into the wild by former owners. So they were introduced by humanity. Got it. Are they killing people or something? I know, they are probably edging out some other species. Nature tends to get upset by outside factors and takes some time to regain balance, if it was ever balanced at all. All I'm saying is that some species thrive, some go extinct. The planet changes and ecosystems change to keep up. It's always happened and won't stop now.

Is there something else going on here other than a feeling of "we humans liked the Everglades as it was before these snakes were here, and since we put them here, we're going to try to remove them"? Is there an actual problem that's harming people or ruining business or commerce? Or is it just people not liking that the ecosystem changed and they want to change it back.

FTA....(And this is referring to Burmese pythons, an invasive species) The voracious predators have devastated the native species like deer, bobcats and raccoons.

Invasive species are also responsible for the disappearance of certain native birds & animals in Hawaii.



This is really it, in a nutshell. There are a couple native species that this snake is going eat off the face of the earth. The few native species left in the everglades have enough problems as it is, with all kind of invasive reptiles moving in.
2013-01-03 09:22:57 PM  
1 votes:
Question: What's the actual problem with the snakes being in the Everglades?

I get it, a lot of them were born from snakes released into the wild by former owners. So they were introduced by humanity. Got it. Are they killing people or something? I know, they are probably edging out some other species. Nature tends to get upset by outside factors and takes some time to regain balance, if it was ever balanced at all. All I'm saying is that some species thrive, some go extinct. The planet changes and ecosystems change to keep up. It's always happened and won't stop now.

Is there something else going on here other than a feeling of "we humans liked the Everglades as it was before these snakes were here, and since we put them here, we're going to try to remove them"? Is there an actual problem that's harming people or ruining business or commerce? Or is it just people not liking that the ecosystem changed and they want to change it back.
2013-01-03 09:19:10 PM  
1 votes:

UsikFark: Zeb Hesselgresser: Nearly 400 people have registered for the Python Challenge so far and entered a program that may seem inadequate to become a snake wrangler, but wildlife officials say that entrants will have the opportunity to participate in additional training later this week.

Liability Insurers love little advertised tidbits like this.

My guess is that most injuries or deaths will be from terrain-related accidents and close encounters with human litter and other animals, not the constrictors.


no doubt, the possibilities abound; accidental shootings, stabbings, drowning, cardiac events, and the not-too-rare propeller maulings.
2013-01-03 09:04:04 PM  
1 votes:
If you ever find yourself at a tattoo shop that has replaced any "s" with a "z" (i.e. tattooz, intenze) you deserve exactly what you get, asshat.
2013-01-03 08:46:56 PM  
1 votes:
Waste of time...
2013-01-03 08:44:04 PM  
1 votes:
We need a running scoreboard on this
2013-01-03 08:41:47 PM  
1 votes:
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