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2013-01-03 08:33:20 PM  

Bungles: Paul Baumer: hasty ambush: Colonialism was/is not all bad. I can think of a few countries that would be better places to live had they remained colonies such as Zimbabwe or Sierra Leon, Algeria, Papua New Guinea, Hong Kong, Argentina, Mexico

On the other hand it was not so good for places like the Congo or Haiti

Errrr.... the British rule of Zimbabwe was a large part of why it went to hell after they left.


That really isn't true. In Pakistan and Iraq (originally) yes, but Zimbabwe? Zimbabwe was left as the bread basket of Africa, with a fully established democratic legislature. and was not created from badly demarcated ethic tensions. The crisis in Zimbabwe is soley on the shoulders of Mugabe.


I'd say the installation of a white dominated government, a fifteen year war to prevent independence, and it's attendant effect on things did a great deal to help Mugabe and his ilk ascend to power. Saner treatment, and allowing self determination instead of propping up a minority government by force would have helped things out quite a bit.
 
2013-01-03 08:34:17 PM  

dittybopper: Suede head: ParaHandy: Medic Zero: DoBeDoBeDo: So does the Monroe Doctrine or NATO membership take precedence here? Or do they cancel each other out?

Last time we sat it out other than providing the Brits with some munitions IIRC.

Fuel on the other hand .... how does a Harrier flight group get from the UK to the S Atlantic without an aircraft carrier?

/ US Navy air base, Cooper's Is. Bermuda for a quick pit stop
// family comes before the Americas Accord
/// On Sept 12 2001, the Queen ordered the changing of the guard ceremony be set to something other than the UK national anthem for the first time in living memory. Guess what it was?

First hint of trouble or Argentine mobilisation and there'd be a squadron of Typhoon fifth gen fighters flying in to Mount Pleasant airbase via Ascension Island quickly followed by Globemasters carrying the Spearhead battalion which the British Army keeps on a few hours standby to deploy anywhere in the world. Meanwhile at least one nuclear sub would be warming up the land attack Tomahawks to trash Punta Arenas airfield and probably put one through the front door of the Presidential Palace in Buenos Aires for good measure. They wouldn't have a hope in hell of taking the islands again and they know it.

It takes less than a day to fly from Argentina to the Falklands. Hell, even their turboprop Pucaras take less than an hour, and they could trash the infrastructure at Mount Pleasant and Port Stanley and be landing troops within 6 hours of the initial attack if they planned it right. Hell, they could probably pre-position small units of troops days ahead of time in remote areas where they wouldn't be noticed. Insert them via sub or by other means (kayak from "fishing trawlers" offshore, perhaps?). A few troops with MANPADS in the right places could make it extremely uncomfortable for Limey pilots.

It would be expensive for the Argentines, to be sure, but they could pretty much make sure that the Typhoons wouldn't have a place to safely land by the time they could possibly reach the islands, especially if they kept it under wraps and then threw every offensive air asset they had at the islands at once, overwhelming the defenses there. They'd lose a lot of planes, but they could make that up before the Brits could do anything about it. Hell, they upgraded their A-4 Skyhawks a while back with F-16 avionics and upgraded engines, making them pretty capable attack aircraft.

The problem with relying on Mount Pleasant is that it's a fixed target that has limited aircraft, and as such it's vulnerable. Since the UK doesn't have a carrier with fixed wing aircraft anymore, they're screwed as far as air superiority fighters go: If they lose Mount Pleasant and Stanley, they're out of the game.


From where I'm sitting, that doesn't favour Argentina ... they really don't want to force us to conquer the mainland. If I was them I'd plan to lose. Half of their navy is still old beater British ships anyway, we used to use them for full scale explosive tests (Leander class and type 21)
 
2013-01-03 08:34:20 PM  

fusillade762: Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?


Not since 1865 with the passage of the British North America Act, which gave Canada sovereignty in most matters, but it's foreign policy was still dictated by the UK until 1931 with the Statues of Westminster. Canada gained full control of its foreign policy in 1949.

Canada fully broke away from UK in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which patriated the entirety of the BNA to Canada, and became the basis of the Canadian Constitution (which they then added a Bill of Rights to called Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

/took a Canadian History course in College
 
2013-01-03 08:39:09 PM  
England: "Go Falk yourself".
 
2013-01-03 08:42:34 PM  

saintstryfe: fusillade762: Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?

Not since 1865 with the passage of the British North America Act, which gave Canada sovereignty in most matters, but it's foreign policy was still dictated by the UK until 1931 with the Statues of Westminster. Canada gained full control of its foreign policy in 1949.

Canada fully broke away from UK in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which patriated the entirety of the BNA to Canada, and became the basis of the Canadian Constitution (which they then added a Bill of Rights to called Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

/took a Canadian History course in College


It's a member of the Commonwealth, like every former British colony except the USA. It's a Dominion (of itself) rather than a Republic because the Queen is still ceremonial head of state. Before that it was part of the empire; we used to say British Dependency, now Overseas Territory is more PC. No idea why the UN has a beef about it, it's not as if the S America group is an easy in to the World Cup or something.

Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

/ Brits no spoilers please
 
2013-01-03 08:43:55 PM  

MOGGEE: [encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 244x207][encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com image 281x180][encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 226x223]

Smoking hot Argentine President is smoking hot.


Are you 80?
 
2013-01-03 08:46:15 PM  

ParaHandy: saintstryfe: fusillade762: Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?

Not since 1865 with the passage of the British North America Act, which gave Canada sovereignty in most matters, but it's foreign policy was still dictated by the UK until 1931 with the Statues of Westminster. Canada gained full control of its foreign policy in 1949.

Canada fully broke away from UK in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which patriated the entirety of the BNA to Canada, and became the basis of the Canadian Constitution (which they then added a Bill of Rights to called Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

/took a Canadian History course in College

It's a member of the Commonwealth, like every former British colony except the USA. It's a Dominion (of itself) rather than a Republic because the Queen is still ceremonial head of state. Before that it was part of the empire; we used to say British Dependency, now Overseas Territory is more PC. No idea why the UN has a beef about it, it's not as if the S America group is an easy in to the World Cup or something.

Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

/ Brits no spoilers please


Orlando 4 months out of the year?

Seriously, without googling or Wiki I'm going to guess probably Wales.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:08 PM  
We could always use the Reagan plan. Hand over the Falklands to the US in trust and let them manage the oil contracts.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:39 PM  
Getting popcorn ready for Operation Black Buck II, Electric Boogaloo.
 
2013-01-03 08:55:35 PM  
I'd like to see if those Type 45s are as good as they look on paper.
 
2013-01-03 08:57:02 PM  

ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?


Iceland isn't a british territory.
 
2013-01-03 09:00:55 PM  

ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

/ Brits no spoilers please


If I had to guess it would be something like the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands or something - one of those territories that were the tutorial level in the great game of empire building.
 
2013-01-03 09:01:39 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Argentina says it inherited ownership of the islands from Spain, arguing that British colonists occupied the islands by force in 1833 and expelled settlers, violating Argentina's territorial integrity.

What's the Spanish word for "irony"?


Has anyone mentioned yet that Spain had a flag.
 
2013-01-03 09:01:55 PM  

Suede head: First hint of trouble or Argentine mobilisation and there'd be a squadron of Typhoon fifth gen fighters flying in to Mount Pleasant airbase via Ascension Island


According to the Encyclopaedia of a Thousand Lies, the Eurofighter has a maximum range of 1,800 miles. The UK to Ascension is 4,000 miles and Ascension to the Falklands is 3,800 miles.
 
2013-01-03 09:04:12 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Lunchlady: Philip Francis Queeg: Lunchlady: Which one? The 1610 colonization or the 1833? Frankly it doesn't farking matter what the original claim was, it was almost 200 years ago and the population has voted consistently to remain British citizens and possess British passports. Let me turn your question on itself; what basis is the Argentinian claim?

As stated above by bwesb the Argentinian position is bullshiat for many reasons but if we're going to use proximity as a qualifier for political control you need to answer a lot of questions about a LOT of islands and regions that have changed hands FAR more recently than 1833. To name a few:

Puerto Rico, Cuba, Guam, Kalingrad, Danzig, Strasbourg, frigin all of Israel, the Sinai, the Panama Canal, Jamaica, pretty much all former European Colonies, those piddly islands in the Seas of Japan and South China Sea.

Again, why does proximity matter for a hill of beans when it comes to political alignment?

Does the phrase "Monroe Doctrine" mean anything to you?

Once again, you bring up something that hasn't really mattered for at least 100 years.

If it makes you happy I agree with you that the Monroe Doctrine is a piss-poor excuse for a foreign policy, though I understand its basis. Doesn't change the fact that you still haven't given an actual reason why Argentina should get control of the Falklands, aside from they're closer than Britain.

European colonialism is a piss poor excuse for a foriegn policy as well.The British Empire hasn't mattered in quite some time either. The continuation of it's moldy relics is hardly in our interest.


The people of the Falklands have voted and overwhelmingly wanted to remain under UK rule. We stayed pretty hands off last time, but if it comes to blows again, I'd be fine with us handing over some munitions to the Brits if they needed them again like last time. No more than that though.
 
2013-01-03 09:07:21 PM  

thisispete: ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

/ Brits no spoilers please

If I had to guess it would be something like the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands or something - one of those territories that were the tutorial level in the great game of empire building.


Isle of Man, and it's the House of Keys. 13th century iirc, while Iceland was still a Hiking colony.
 
2013-01-03 09:08:31 PM  
Hmm. I wonder what the updated version would be of the joke that made the rounds during the first Falklands war:

Q: Why did Argentina invade the Falklands?

A: To impress Jodie Foster!
 
2013-01-03 09:09:04 PM  

CthulhuCalling: Already been immortalized in song:

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]


You know they're on tour right? Going to see them soon!
 
2013-01-03 09:10:25 PM  

ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?


Second oldest. There is another older one, with which it shares a name root, to the north, although unlike the one you are referring to it hasn't operated continuously.
 
2013-01-03 09:20:26 PM  

liam76: ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

Iceland isn't a british territory.


Niether is Maine. :)
 
2013-01-03 09:23:52 PM  

ParaHandy: saintstryfe: fusillade762: Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?

Not since 1865 with the passage of the British North America Act, which gave Canada sovereignty in most matters, but it's foreign policy was still dictated by the UK until 1931 with the Statues of Westminster. Canada gained full control of its foreign policy in 1949.

Canada fully broke away from UK in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which patriated the entirety of the BNA to Canada, and became the basis of the Canadian Constitution (which they then added a Bill of Rights to called Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

/took a Canadian History course in College

It's a member of the Commonwealth, like every former British colony except the USA. It's a Dominion (of itself) rather than a Republic because the Queen is still ceremonial head of state. Before that it was part of the empire; we used to say British Dependency, now Overseas Territory is more PC. No idea why the UN has a beef about it, it's not as if the S America group is an easy in to the World Cup or something.

Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

/ Brits no spoilers please


Well, the Commonwealth is a generic term for non-US British Colonies. As far as I know the Commonwealth is basically a get-together for unimportant bureaucrats and the reason to have a run-up-to-the-Olympics athletic competition, but I could just be an ignorant half-Canadian/half-American twit. It could be called a Dominion until 1982 when it simply became a Nation, regardless of the head of state.

As for your trivia question, Isle of Mann's Tynwald is what I think you're thinking of. But I don't buy the claim. The one that can best be described is Iceland - the Althing is documented over 900 years old. Also possible is the Iroquois Six Nations - some records (equally as valid as the Manx ones) go back over 800 years. If you want to be REAL strict, universal suffrage of both sexes being the definition of Democracy, New Zealand gets a nod since 1893. And strictly speaking, it answers your question being New Zealand is a Commonwealth member.
 
2013-01-03 09:28:55 PM  

orbister: ParaHandy: Fun quiz for the Americans ... which current British territory has the world's oldest democracy, predating Westminster by at least 200 years? What is the name of its legislative body?

Second oldest. There is another older one, with which it shares a name root, to the north, although unlike the one you are referring to it hasn't operated continuously.


Well if that's not a qualification then we'll have to hand it to Athens I think
 
2013-01-03 09:47:19 PM  

Saiga410: So when is Canada coming for the Northwest Angle? One of these days I will search out why the US has a small slice of land connected to Canada but seperated from the US by Lake of the Woods. It never made sense.


It was a surveyors mistake. For some reason it was codified anyways.

Can only get there through Canada or over the lake. It's also on an Indian Reservation which further complicates things.

The biggest reason would be that no one thinks its worth the bother.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:30 PM  

orbister: Suede head: First hint of trouble or Argentine mobilisation and there'd be a squadron of Typhoon fifth gen fighters flying in to Mount Pleasant airbase via Ascension Island

According to the Encyclopaedia of a Thousand Lies, the Eurofighter has a maximum range of 1,800 miles. The UK to Ascension is 4,000 miles and Ascension to the Falklands is 3,800 miles.


How they fixed for tankers and air refueling?
 
2013-01-03 10:08:08 PM  

fusillade762: moops: WickerNipple: I think it's time to petition the White House to demand Canada give us Newfoundland back.

Fun random fact: Newfoundland didn't become part of Canada until 1947 - until then it was a dominion of the UK.

Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?


No.
 
2013-01-03 10:20:54 PM  

CujoQuarrel: orbister: Suede head: First hint of trouble or Argentine mobilisation and there'd be a squadron of Typhoon fifth gen fighters flying in to Mount Pleasant airbase via Ascension Island

According to the Encyclopaedia of a Thousand Lies, the Eurofighter has a maximum range of 1,800 miles. The UK to Ascension is 4,000 miles and Ascension to the Falklands is 3,800 miles.

How they fixed for tankers and air refueling?


Pretty good
 
2013-01-03 10:26:02 PM  

uttertosh: unyon: jamspoon: Here's a fun explanation of the history of the islands

http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2013/01/dear-argentina.html

Informative and fun read.  Thanks for posting it.

ditto +1


Same here. I hadn't ever bothered checking on it. I always figured there was some kind of indigenous crowd there. I guess that's not the case.
 
2013-01-03 10:31:56 PM  

dittybopper: Suede head: ParaHandy: Medic Zero: DoBeDoBeDo: So does the Monroe Doctrine or NATO membership take precedence here? Or do they cancel each other out?

Last time we sat it out other than providing the Brits with some munitions IIRC.

Fuel on the other hand .... how does a Harrier flight group get from the UK to the S Atlantic without an aircraft carrier?

/ US Navy air base, Cooper's Is. Bermuda for a quick pit stop
// family comes before the Americas Accord
/// On Sept 12 2001, the Queen ordered the changing of the guard ceremony be set to something other than the UK national anthem for the first time in living memory. Guess what it was?

First hint of trouble or Argentine mobilisation and there'd be a squadron of Typhoon fifth gen fighters flying in to Mount Pleasant airbase via Ascension Island quickly followed by Globemasters carrying the Spearhead battalion which the British Army keeps on a few hours standby to deploy anywhere in the world. Meanwhile at least one nuclear sub would be warming up the land attack Tomahawks to trash Punta Arenas airfield and probably put one through the front door of the Presidential Palace in Buenos Aires for good measure. They wouldn't have a hope in hell of taking the islands again and they know it.

It takes less than a day to fly from Argentina to the Falklands. Hell, even their turboprop Pucaras take less than an hour, and they could trash the infrastructure at Mount Pleasant and Port Stanley and be landing troops within 6 hours of the initial attack if they planned it right. Hell, they could probably pre-position small units of troops days ahead of time in remote areas where they wouldn't be noticed. Insert them via sub or by other means (kayak from "fishing trawlers" offshore, perhaps?). A few troops with MANPADS in the right places could make it extremely uncomfortable for Limey pilots.

It would be expensive for the Argentines, to be sure, but they could pretty much make sure that the Typhoons wouldn't have a place to ...


Looking at the info on Wikipedia (I know, but it's good enough for armchair work) they have about 8 interceptors and 40 or so ground-attack jets, with another 35 or so turbo-prop attack planes. Jets will be at the far end of their range near the islands and can't stick around to fight for long. Unlike the UK, Argentina lacks air-to-air refueling capability. More telling, as far as I know, they lack any kind of good stand-off weapons capability. To bomb that base, they're pretty much going to have to fly right over it. You can be the Brits have AAA, SAMs (small, but good quality) and manpads. The bigger question for Argentina, is if it's worth burning 50 to 75% of your air force just to eliminate the airbase there. You still have a Type 45 there that is equal or superior to a Burke, and if Astute is in the neighborhood, the base you planned to return to is probably going to be a "blowed-up mess".
Not a great way to start a war - and that's assuming tactical surprise. If the Brits move a couple of the AEW Sea Kings down that way, you can kiss that surprise goodbye.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:54 PM  
Argentina is probably ready to start some shiat now because they know that Wee Hughie killed Billy Butcher.
 
2013-01-03 11:34:16 PM  
Not fair, the war hasn't even started yet, and the Brits have executed a preemptive attack using their Ugly Stick.

blogs.telegraph.co.uk

or they've embargoed all Makeup going to Argentina.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:45 PM  

deplorable: 1980 - Argentina said "it's ours" (nothing to do with oil recently been found or the fact they've ignored the islands for a hundred or so years)

We asked the islanders.

they said "we wanna be british"

Argentina invaded and we destroyed them.

Argentina keep saying "give us back our land".

We said "no, they wanna be british"

Argentina cry to the UN and the US, who pat them on the head

we give the islanders a referendum due in march 2013

As soon as the year 2013 starts "it's ours.. give us back our land"

Lesson: Argentina will use the falklands to take away any crap they have back home and we should just nuke them. Be done with it. Maybe have "don't cry for me Argentina" on the missile.

They don't really give the world anything.... and i've lost family and friends to the ***'s


Bread and circuses man, bread and circuses. That's what Argentina's aiming for here.
 
2013-01-03 11:46:03 PM  

skinbubble: TheOther: Let me play you the song of my people...

NSFW

/NSFW

Eeewwww!!

/I lol'ed


I was like "WTF?!" and then loled hard.
 
2013-01-04 12:23:33 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Argentina is probably ready to start some shiat now because they know that Wee Hughie killed Billy Butcher.


A "The Boys" reference? In MY Argentina thread?
 
2013-01-04 12:28:15 AM  

Rangeley Tourist Hunter: Getting popcorn ready for Operation Black Buck II, Electric Boogaloo.


There's only one flying Vulcan, and it's civilian-operated and on its last legs.
 
2013-01-04 12:40:49 AM  
Argentina, debt mounts as they try to find ways to pay billions back to creditors. It's a basic cluster fark where the witch of the south looks on Falkland's vast oil and natural gas fields as future income.

s8.postimage.org
 
2013-01-04 01:23:10 AM  
i.imm.io
 
2013-01-04 01:31:32 AM  

onyxruby: Saiga410: So when is Canada coming for the Northwest Angle? One of these days I will search out why the US has a small slice of land connected to Canada but seperated from the US by Lake of the Woods. It never made sense.

It was a surveyors mistake. For some reason it was codified anyways.

Can only get there through Canada or over the lake. It's also on an Indian Reservation which further complicates things.

The biggest reason would be that no one thinks its worth the bother.


Are you familiar with Point Roberts? It's a tiny tip of the peninsula due south of Vancouver, inaccessible by land except through Canada, but part of the state of Washington.

www.worldofbeekeeping.com
 
2013-01-04 01:47:46 AM  

doyner: simplicimus: Anything of value on these islands?

Yes.  British citizenship.


Is there anyone on the islands to care?
 
2013-01-04 02:42:03 AM  

CujoQuarrel: savage_world: So... we can safely assume there's something going wrong in Argentina that the government really doesn't want its populace worrying about?

Their economy tanking again?


When a government prohibits citizens from acquiring foreign currency, you know things are bad.
 
2013-01-04 02:45:42 AM  

AlHarris31: Zoophagous: This thread needs more pics of the Agrentinian prez.

Here you go!
[blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]


Oh what THE fark!?!?!?!?!?
 
2013-01-04 02:57:03 AM  
If Argentina was famous for giving good concerts instead of for silver (Argentum), would it be named "Concertina"

/I'm just asking questions that others are afraid to ask.
 
2013-01-04 03:16:38 AM  

moops: WickerNipple: I think it's time to petition the White House to demand Canada give us Newfoundland back.

Fun random fact: Newfoundland didn't become part of Canada until 1947 1949 - until then it was a dominion of the UK.


FTFY

fusillade762:
Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?


Nope.
 
2013-01-04 03:34:07 AM  

ParaHandy: saintstryfe: fusillade762: Isn't Canada itself technically a dominion of the UK?

Not since 1865 with the passage of the British North America Act, which gave Canada sovereignty in most matters, but it's foreign policy was still dictated by the UK until 1931 with the Statues of Westminster. Canada gained full control of its foreign policy in 1949.

Canada fully broke away from UK in 1982 with the passage of the Canada Act, which patriated the entirety of the BNA to Canada, and became the basis of the Canadian Constitution (which they then added a Bill of Rights to called Charter of Rights and Freedoms).

/took a Canadian History course in College

It's a member of the Commonwealth, like every former British colony except the USA. It's a Dominion (of itself) rather than a Republic because the Queen is still ceremonial head of state. Before that it was part of the empire; we used to say British Dependency, now Overseas Territory is more PC. No idea why the UN has a beef about it, it's not as if the S America group is an easy in to the World Cup or something.


Not exactly. Canada is still a Dominion, and it is a Dominion of itself, but in 1982 we had a monarchial regime change. Previously to 1982 we were beholden to the Queen of England, of the House of Windsor, QE2 in personage. With the passage of the 1982 Constitution, we are now beholden to the Queen of Canada, of the House of Windsor, coincidentally also QE2 in person.

I keep thinking that we Canucks should use a different rule of primogeniture, just to playfully screw with things down the line, though that would also eventually mean that the monarch of Canada would have no more reason to live at Buckingham and would probably take residence here, more definitively separating out the monarchies. There are some legislative rumblings in this direction - the British crown is currently male-preference cognatic primogeniture, and they're leaning to absolute cognatic instead of male-preference. We could amend the Canadian crown to be female-preference cognatic, maybe. You know, just to stir the pot a bit.
Matrilineal would be interesting too, and Princess Anne would make a good monarch. Her daughter, Zara, would be third in line, and she's shaping up to be fine aristrocrat, dedicating her time to charities like her mother.
 
2013-01-04 03:51:29 AM  

Enigmamf: When a government prohibits citizens from acquiring foreign currency, you know things are bad.


But it's good for tourists because it drives the currency black market. When I was in Buenos Aires last month I was getting seven pesos to the dollar, which was much better than the four point something official rate. People were really happy to get greenbacks and not at all shy about it.
 
2013-01-04 03:57:46 AM  

starsrift: I keep thinking that we Canucks should use a different rule of primogeniture, just to playfully screw with things down the line, though that would also eventually mean that the monarch of Canada would have no more reason to live at Buckingham and would probably take residence here, more definitively separating out the monarchies. There are some legislative rumblings in this direction - the British crown is currently male-preference cognatic primogeniture, and they're leaning to absolute cognatic instead of male-preference. We could amend the Canadian crown to be female-preference cognatic, maybe. You know, just to stir the pot a bit.


Probably easiest to go with the religion angle if you want the crowns to diverge. They may be changing the male preference rules but I doubt they'll ever let a Catholic (or Jew or anything else that isn't Anglican) sit on the throne of the UK. In Canada though, prohibiting someone from being head of state because of their religion would seem to violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

/Suspects half the Commonwealth will become republics soon after Liz kicks the bucket.
 
2013-01-04 04:58:14 AM  

EngineerAU: Probably easiest to go with the religion angle if you want the crowns to diverge. They may be changing the male preference rules but I doubt they'll ever let a Catholic (or Jew or anything else that isn't Anglican) sit on the throne of the UK. In Canada though, prohibiting someone from being head of state because of their religion would seem to violate the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


If the situation somehow arose that the heir by current primogeniture rules was non-Anglican, that's the only time the Charter could possibly come into play. That's a fairly weak argument for such a constitutional amendment - the easiest way would be to retain male-preference while Britain goes absolute.

I doubt the Commonwealth countries will do away with their Constitutional monarchies when Liz goes. I'd be very surprised. While Charles is unpopular abroad for his personal affairs - true - there's nothing to suggest he would fail to perform the duties required of him in the fashion that his mother and her subjects have reinvented the monarchy. Adultery's great for the tabloids and bad for PR, but the Prince of Wales has continued to demonstrate a strong will and interest to serve his presumptive subjects. On that line, though, he might be advised to travel more.
 
2013-01-04 05:23:16 AM  

0Icky0: If Argentina was famous for giving good concerts instead of for silver (Argentum), would it be named "Concertina"

/I'm just asking questions that others are afraid to ask.


Go to your room.
 
2013-01-04 05:28:11 AM  
Seriously, Argentina, stick to dancing, sex, and hiding senile Nazis. Fighting the Brits is not your forte.
 
2013-01-04 05:56:43 AM  

TheNewJesus: Argentina has great wine, great food, and great women.

The UK has beer, I guess?


newzstreet.com
 
2013-01-04 06:13:06 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Is there anyone on the islands to care?


3000+ citizens. I know that's, like totally, 0 in Americanian money, (hells, they can't even get a proper gov petition started - LOL) but the exchange rates to the euro are picking up rather nicely.
 
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