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(LA Times)   "The Avengers" voted most overrated movie of 2012   (latimes.com) divider line 381
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2013-01-03 10:25:13 PM  

PanicMan: And Arthur Dent is a a really good Bilbo.


He's a jerk. A complete kneebiter.
 
2013-01-03 10:34:06 PM  

browneye: StopLurkListen: [Avengers spoiler alert] Was there any justification for Hulk to go smashing through the ship trying to kill whatsername when later we find out he was in control of the Hulk all the time?

It's pretty obvious that when Banner initiates the transformation, he has much better control and/or is more "present" than when the transformation is forced upon him. Notice after he initiates the transformation in New York, he sticks close to the other Avengers instead of rampaging all over the place - he even responds when Cap called his name.


(Spoiler alert)

I think Banner's state of mind when he tranforms informs how Hulk is going to act. In the Helicarrier Banner is pissed and doesn't trust anyone on the team. When he transforms, the Hulk acts out Banner's desire to kick the crap out of everything in reach.

When he transforms in New York his Banner's anger is towards the aliens trashing the city. The Hulk then acts where (puny) Banner cannot.

Note that even when the Hulk is directed at bad guys he is a disaster waiting to happen and nowhere near safe (e.g. punching Thor off the screen). At the end when Iron Man is lying unconscious and the Hulk roars at him -- I have no doubt that had Tony Stark not woken up the next thing the Hulk would have done is pound his inert body.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:24 PM  

Mugato: As for The Avengers, I just meant they were given a premise of 7 or so goofy characters with an even goofier villain and they managed to make it work. Every character got enough screen time, there was pretty amusing dialog and the action scenes were executed well. It could have been a lot worse.


This.
Look at Star Trek. They couldn't make it work, even getting rid of Guinan and Wesley.
Uhura barely got 4 lines in the movies.
Whedon did what others couldn't seem to do and gave everyone equal spots, which was nice to see.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:54 PM  

stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.


Well, they pretty much made up their results, so I figured all's fair, etc., etc...
 
2013-01-03 10:42:42 PM  

Mikey1969: stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.

Well, they pretty much made up their results, so I figured all's fair, etc., etc...


Oh, yes, all's fair, ye of the "jerk store" comebacks.
 
2013-01-03 10:46:15 PM  

Zombie DJ: Mugato: As for The Avengers, I just meant they were given a premise of 7 or so goofy characters with an even goofier villain and they managed to make it work. Every character got enough screen time, there was pretty amusing dialog and the action scenes were executed well. It could have been a lot worse.

This.
Look at Star Trek. They couldn't make it work, even getting rid of Guinan and Wesley.
Uhura barely got 4 lines in the movies.
Whedon did what others couldn't seem to do and gave everyone equal spots, which was nice to see.


That's a fair point. Star Trek did a good job of making it into a team effort sort of deal instead of having one guy be the hero / focal point. Same with Avengers, though at times it was a bit overdone. But hey, you can't hit the ball out of the park with each and every shot.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:57 PM  

Techhell: ArminiusTheGreat: Avengers sucked. Period.

/Not trolling for all the confused fanboys who are blinded by the nostalgia of reading marvel comics when they were younger.

More likely the fanboys who were terrified that the movie was going to be a complete failure and it actually worked as a decent movie. (though maybe there's a bit of fanboy nostalgia in there too, though the Avengers comics weren't all that popular compared to X-Men and Spiderman and Wolverine.)

NOT a great movie. Not even one of the top 10 movies of 2012. But it worked, it was decent, and can be a pretty decent basis for future movies.


This.

You have to understand that (excluding Blade) any live-action Marvel movie/TV show before 2000 sucked horribly.

For some of us that started reading comics in the 80's, any Marvel movie that is reasonably faithful to the comics and isn't horrible (Daredevil, Electra) basically gets a big thumbs up from our inner-pre-adolescents.
 
2013-01-03 10:49:03 PM  
5 seconds of Hulk vs. Loki make the entire movie worthwhile. Just that scene would have been enough, but the rest of the movie was entertaining as well. It was a "Group of wise-ass comic book heroes beats up the baddies" flick. Anyone going into that expecting compelling theatre has only themselves to blame for the "letdown"...
 
2013-01-03 10:57:06 PM  
quitlikingwhatidontlike.jpg

Overrated is the most overrated insult you can throw at something popular. Just don't see if it you think it's dumb and quit whining aboout what the status quo thinks.
 
2013-01-03 11:09:17 PM  

Wholesale Ass: way south: I dunno what people expected.
Avengers was a superhero blockbuster with lots of explosions, humor, and eye candy. Its not meant to be shakespear, just good fun.

Prometheus tops my chart for overrated crap. The advertisements had more suspense than the entire film. People went expecting plot or at least a good scare.
They got eye candy but not much else but plot holes.

So when you go see the Avengers you expect crap, get crap, enjoy crap.

Therefore, everyone wants crap.


Looks like the DC fanboys are flooding this thread.
 
2013-01-03 11:13:13 PM  

sprawl15: I read fark for the pics: Batman was laughably terrible. The voice of Bane completely killed the mood of the movie for me. Could not stay awake.

I really liked the voice until I realized that it was Sean Connery.


I know right?! I mean, this is freaking BANE we're talking about here! Even in B:TAS they got Bane's voice right; deep, hulking and menacing to match the physique. Here...I'm not sure what the hell Nolan was going for there.
 
2013-01-03 11:13:48 PM  

stoli n coke: Mikey1969: stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.

Well, they pretty much made up their results, so I figured all's fair, etc., etc...

Oh, yes, all's fair, ye of the "jerk store" comebacks.


You seem to have some sand in your vagina. Are you going to take your ball and go home now? I'm sure some Summer's Eve will help out if you use it immediately.
 
2013-01-03 11:15:33 PM  
www.latimes.com

Most overrated newspaper of all time.

/dicks
//also, new Bourne movie or Prometheus should have gotten the "award"
 
2013-01-03 11:15:51 PM  

stoli n coke: Sorry Whedonites, Avengers was good, but not great. The fact that people are trotting out the "It doesn't have to be Shakespeare or Citizen Kane" arguments is proof of it's storytelling quality.

It's good dumb entertainment, but it's still dumb entertainment.


If you want smart entertainment, try Shakespare then.
 
2013-01-03 11:18:50 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: velvet_fog: Avengers was fun while watching it, but bland and forgettable. Good popcorn movie, but nothing I'll ever likely watch again at home. Reminds me a lot of Batman '89 in a lot of ways. Batman '89 was a mediocre movie that did huge business because of great marketing and great timing. Same thing with Avengers. Like Batman, I doubt many people will really remember much about the movie 20 years from now, but they'll certainly remember the hype surrounding it.

Wow really? I can remember Batman '89 pretty well, scenes, memorable lines, the stupid farking Prince song that got thrown into the sound track and all. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Maybe if they were pretty young when the movie came out or something I could see forgetting a lot about it, but even then it still doesn't make a lot of sense.


Yeah, this. Batman '89 may not hold up like it did say 10 years from when it was released. Still a helluva good film to enjoy.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:05 PM  

Techhell: Dingleberry Dickwad: Techhell: The Dark Knight Rises and Prometheus are two of the most overhyped movies of 2012, and the two which were farthest away from meeting expectations. There's a great deal of dislike for both of these movies, and a great deal of people who are slamming the movies. And rightly so - both movies had massive problems that deserve to be criticized for. But neither were as highly rated and as highly regarded as the Avengers, by critics and particularly by fanboys...

... and most tellingly, the only common responses to the criticisms of the Avengers is 1) It made lots of money and 2) It wasn't supposed to be a smart movie. Eventually the people using these defenses will realize that these same arguments can be made about most Micheal Bay movies, will look for other defenses and will be reduced to the third defense "It was a very difficult to weave all those movies into one!", which isn't very strong either - there is 50 years of Avengers comics to draw from. The writers aren't pulling this from the ether. This doesn't mean that weaving them into the story was easy, but it is a weak defense.

/Avengers > Transformers 1, 2 and 3 combined. But essentially the same arguments to defend the Transformers movies as to defend the Avengers

No, you see the massive problem the Transformers movies had was that for movies based on a cartoon about warring alien robots that flee their dying planet bringing their war with them, they sure spent a whole farkload of time focusing on the human characters. If the movies would have spent the time they wasted on human characters developing the Autobot and Decepticon characters it could have had a lot more potential. Avengers at least kept to it's premise, a group of superheroes defending humanity.

Which is a totally valid criticism of Transformers while entirely missing the point I made. The main defenses of Avengers are the same defenses that are typically used to defend Transformers  - that the movies made lots ...


Uh no,

Transformers = The bots were the stars, not the humans.
Avengers = The heroes were the stars.

That looks very obvious to me.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:51 PM  
Avengers sucked... -BU, BU, BU, BU, BUT PROMETHEUS!!!!!

Hold on. You have to slow down. You're losing it. You have to take a breath. Listen to yourself. You're connecting a movie I had with a movie you might have had and some religious hogwash. You want to find the Avengers in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. Avengers from a mere street corner to your front door. Avengers while you're riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with the Avengers, you will filter everything else out and find the Avengers everywhere.

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2013-01-03 11:26:06 PM  

Rwa2play: sprawl15: I read fark for the pics: Batman was laughably terrible. The voice of Bane completely killed the mood of the movie for me. Could not stay awake.

I really liked the voice until I realized that it was Sean Connery.

I know right?! I mean, this is freaking BANE we're talking about here! Even in B:TAS they got Bane's voice right; deep, hulking and menacing to match the physique. Here...I'm not sure what the hell Nolan was going for there.


I loved it. Richard Roeper compared it (in a positive way) to a cross between Sean Connery and Darth Vader, and I totally agree. That works for me. Is it odd? Sure, but it's also charming and intriguing. His eloquence and calm were a cool contrast with his brutal fighting and killing.
 
2013-01-03 11:27:59 PM  

stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.


What part about it isn't true?
 
2013-01-03 11:30:46 PM  

stoli n coke: Mikey1969: stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.

Well, they pretty much made up their results, so I figured all's fair, etc., etc...

Oh, yes, all's fair, ye of the "jerk store" comebacks.


Wait, did you not see their "list"? That was seriously watered down, k? So the criticism is valid.

If the LAT had every blockbuster/hyped movie polled and it still came out that "The Avengers" was overhyped, then fine. That list, however, was watered-down.
 
2013-01-03 11:31:58 PM  
I love playing detective to figure out what Summer Glau's Love Slave said that got the comment deleted.

So far I figured out it was Dark Shadows... That's about as far as I think I'm getting.
 
2013-01-03 11:34:08 PM  

Rwa2play: stoli n coke: Mikey1969: stoli n coke: Mikey1969: Los Angeles Times also happens to be the most overrated news site of 2012, what a coincidence.

You just made that up, didn't you? Good for you, sport.

Well, they pretty much made up their results, so I figured all's fair, etc., etc...

Oh, yes, all's fair, ye of the "jerk store" comebacks.

Wait, did you not see their "list"? That was seriously watered down, k? So the criticism is valid.

If the LAT had every blockbuster/hyped movie polled and it still came out that "The Avengers" was overhyped, then fine. That list, however, was watered-down.


BTW, that polls sounds like some exec from WB who's still butthurt about "The Avengers" calling in a favor to a friend.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:02 PM  

Shadowtag: quitlikingwhatidontlike.jpg

Overrated is the most overrated insult you can throw at something popular. Just don't see if it you think it's dumb and quit whining aboout what the status quo thinks.


Pretty much this; it's these type of articles that keep reminding me that people have too much time to look at their portable device but can't be arsed to look up a word in the dictionary for it's proper context.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:42 PM  
I thought the relationship between Stark and Banner was pretty good. Otherwise, it was a pretty stupid movie. And it's overrated because all summer the Internet talked about how it was the greatest movie ever. Just really boring and the final action sequence looked like something out of Star Wars. The screen was so dense.

Sam Jackson is an amazing actor when he feels like it. Every time he puts the eye patch on though, seems like he's cashing a check as opposed to creating art. They leaned on RDJ because the rest of the cast was so incredibly boring. Should've just made it Iron Man 3, the one where some more super dudes show up at the end. Did captain America even do anything in the avengers? I saw a red and blue blur when all the cgi was jizzing all over the screen. Probably him, but maybe Thor? Would Nolan have put the archer dude in a movie with actual super heroes? Probably not, because it's a stupidly ridiculous idea to make supernatural beings peers with an archer. I never read the comics, was he an integral part of the avengers or something? Just so dumb, no surprise it made so much money.
 
2013-01-03 11:39:12 PM  

Champion of the Sun: I thought the relationship between Stark and Banner was pretty good. Otherwise, it was a pretty stupid movie. And it's overrated because all summer the Internet talked about how it was the greatest movie ever. Just really boring and the final action sequence looked like something out of Star Wars. The screen was so dense.

Sam Jackson is an amazing actor when he feels like it. Every time he puts the eye patch on though, seems like he's cashing a check as opposed to creating art. They leaned on RDJ because the rest of the cast was so incredibly boring. Should've just made it Iron Man 3, the one where some more super dudes show up at the end. Did captain America even do anything in the avengers? I saw a red and blue blur when all the cgi was jizzing all over the screen. Probably him, but maybe Thor? Would Nolan have put the archer dude in a movie with actual super heroes? Probably not, because it's a stupidly ridiculous idea to make supernatural beings peers with an archer. I never read the comics, was he an integral part of the avengers or something? Just so dumb, no surprise it made so much money.


So by your logic, "Battleship" should've made twice the money "The Avengers" made amirite?
 
2013-01-03 11:41:24 PM  

Rwa2play: stoli n coke: Sorry Whedonites, Avengers was good, but not great. The fact that people are trotting out the "It doesn't have to be Shakespeare or Citizen Kane" arguments is proof of it's storytelling quality.

It's good dumb entertainment, but it's still dumb entertainment.

If you want smart entertainment, try Shakespare then.


That's the exact same thing people said to defend Transformers.

Like I said earlier, Avengers was good, but not great. I'm sure the 12-year old me would have loved it, but the adult me thought it was a 2 and a half hour conversation of "who would win in a fight? This guy or this guy?"

But please, fanboys. Continue your collective ragegasm.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:02 PM  
yup, didn't get the love on this one

thought it was going to be smart
 
2013-01-03 11:48:12 PM  

stoli n coke: Rwa2play: stoli n coke: Sorry Whedonites, Avengers was good, but not great. The fact that people are trotting out the "It doesn't have to be Shakespeare or Citizen Kane" arguments is proof of it's storytelling quality.

It's good dumb entertainment, but it's still dumb entertainment.

If you want smart entertainment, try Shakespare then.

That's the exact same thing people said to defend Transformers.

Like I said earlier, Avengers was good, but not great. I'm sure the 12-year old me would have loved it, but the adult me thought it was a 2 and a half hour conversation of "who would win in a fight? This guy or this guy?"

But please, fanboys. Continue your collective ragegasm.


You must be fun at parties.
 
2013-01-03 11:48:46 PM  

Rwa2play:

So by your logic, "Battleship" should've made twice the money "The Avengers" made amirite?


Never saw that one. Is the internal logic of the movie consistent? Will you make the avengers breakfast in the morning?
 
2013-01-03 11:50:10 PM  

stoli n coke: That's the exact same thing people said to defend Transformers


If Shia LaBeuf took a sword to the chest I might have seen Transformers.
 
2013-01-03 11:54:45 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Rwa2play:

So by your logic, "Battleship" should've made twice the money "The Avengers" made amirite?

Never saw that one. Is the internal logic of the movie consistent?


Aliens in discs scything through ships supposed to be logical?

Will you make the avengers breakfast in the morning?

2/10, maybe if you try harder you might get a rise out of me. Otherwise, leave the trolling to the professionals, 'cause you ain't one.
 
2013-01-03 11:55:59 PM  

dj_spanmaster: Statistically speaking, of COURSE The Avengers was the most overrated. More people went to see it than went to see the other films, and it wasn't exactly a film of substance.

The list:
"The Avengers" 85.39%
"Prometheus" 4.62%
"Brave" 1.02%
"Ted" 3.03%
"Project X" 1.78%
"The Master" 1.78%
"Cloud Atlas" 2.38%

With a loaded list like that and the limited sampling, people voted for the film that they saw and remember liking the least in retrospect. Very few films on the list were bad. Where's "Cabin in the Woods"? "Total Recall"? I wonder how many abstained.


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2013-01-04 12:01:19 AM  

Rwa2play:

Aliens in discs scything through ships supposed to be logical?
.


Is that consistent with the rest of the movie? The Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America being equals with archer man and tits McGee isn't. Too hard to understand?
 
2013-01-04 12:04:15 AM  

Champion of the Sun: Rwa2play:

Aliens in discs scything through ships supposed to be logical?
.

Is that consistent with the rest of the movie? The Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and Captain America being equals with archer man and tits McGee isn't. Too hard to understand?


Wow, someone needs to see "The Avengers" because the movie answered that question.
 
2013-01-04 12:51:12 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: sprawl15: proteus_b: are there any good movies any more?

[i.imgur.com image 284x405]

Nope, sorry. If people started liking that movie then everyone on this tab would start talking about how much it sucked and how many problems it had.


Uhm, because it wasn't good? Fun, sure -- who doesn't like a guy going nucking futs. But good? Meh.
 
2013-01-04 01:00:16 AM  
Why do all the smug people think only the good movies come with laurels around it on the movie poster?
 
2013-01-04 01:14:04 AM  
Wow, what a troll thread..
 
2013-01-04 01:21:54 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: The All-Powerful Atheismo: sprawl15: proteus_b: are there any good movies any more?

[i.imgur.com image 284x405]

Nope, sorry. If people started liking that movie then everyone on this tab would start talking about how much it sucked and how many problems it had.

Uhm, because it wasn't good? Fun, sure -- who doesn't like a guy going nucking futs. But good? Meh.


I thought it was great. Very smart and stylish, though his autism-like behavior did sometimes get annoying.
 
2013-01-04 01:23:13 AM  
D'Jango.

I know it's cool and hip to say that movie was good, but it wasn't. If I wanted to see black people killing white people with impunity, I'd move to a big city.
 
2013-01-04 01:25:23 AM  

8 inches: D'Jango.

I know it's cool and hip to say that movie was good, but it wasn't. If I wanted to see black people killing white people with impunity, I'd move to a big city.



Your name overestimates you by about 6 and a half inches, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-04 01:38:27 AM  

moothemagiccow: Snark Shark II: Champion of the Sun: Snark Shark II: It says in that article that the engineers sent down one of their own to try to teach humans how to get along with one another and that humans killed him. This goes right along with all of the Ancient Aliens stuff in the film, with all the cave paintings and everything.

I really hate when explanations for major plot points of a movie aren't in the movie. I'm looking at you Star Trek (2009). I made a bunch of assumptions up about everyone in Prometheus so their actions made sense in my mind. Like, I assumed that all cobras were dead in the future, and that's why that biologist was trying to pet the alien snake that looked like he was about strike.

yeah, don't get me wrong, movie needed more explanation. I'm thinking he was planning on doing more in the next movie but yeah there was a lot of context missing and what looked awesome in a trailer was a mess of a script onscreen.

/ running from a rolling spaceship
// don't even think to run left or right to get out of the way
/// stupid, stupid, stupid.

it's scifi. Your problem with the movie was seriously that it was too vague and it needed to spell every little thing out? Now I understand why avengers was so popular. Hold on Bruce, let's put this in terms Hulk can understand


no, I farking understood it. It was too vague for most people. Way to be an assumptive douchebag.
 
2013-01-04 01:50:55 AM  
This is actually a hard question. Many people can't even manage the framework - they confuse overrated with over-hyped. TDKR and Prometheus easily win over-hyped, although it depends on the person which movie fell further from its promise (although I don't see how an intelligent person would expect TDKR to be better than mediocre). I didn't have much hope that either would be better than mediocre. With Prometheus's conceptual and visual brilliance, it had the potential to be great, but the dialogue, writing, and pacing swept it out of "great" territory.

Overrated then -- the movie that doesn't live up to its objective ratings -- IDK. I haven't seen Lincoln and The Master, although I've heard mostly good things from respected movie critics about The Master, and I've read that Lincoln is Oscar bait and merely a series of speeches and avoids anything that hints at Lincoln's racism (not that I expected Hollywood to prioritize authenticity). Eh, I can't say what the most overrated film of 2012 is.
 
2013-01-04 01:51:08 AM  
This is not a repeat from 1998.
 
2013-01-04 01:59:39 AM  

way south: I dunno what people expected.
Avengers was a superhero blockbuster with lots of explosions, humor, and eye candy. Its not meant to be shakespear, just good fun.

Prometheus tops my chart for overrated crap. The advertisements had more suspense than the entire film. People went expecting plot or at least a good scare.
They got eye candy but not much else but plot holes.


Jesus. What you're describing is "overhyped" NOT "overrated." I'll stop exercising proper reading comprehension on the internet now, since apparently it's useless.
 
2013-01-04 02:04:17 AM  

Suede head: Was I the only one who found the last half hour astonishingly distasteful? It was clearly meant to elicit memories of 9/11 with its destruction of skyscrapers, dust clouds, fleeing crowds etc and was used for a stupid campy superhero movie about big men in spandex prancing about. Amazing that the memory of this tragedy can be so cheapened so soon.


Distasteful, no.  Boring, yes.  The big, climactic battle was superfluous, and the deus ex machina of a nuke stopping the entire bad guy army was weak.  Really, the bad guy army was pathetic - were they organic or droids robots isn't even the biggest problem.
 
2013-01-04 02:11:04 AM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: The Dark Knight Rises insulted me on so many levels. I should have expected it though, Nolan movies never stand up to rational thinking. Inception being the best example of his style: massive plot holes, unnecessary characters, and nonsensical motivations.

Avengers was awesome, I can't stand Whedon and I still liked it.


Nolan films are the epitome of pseudo-intellectualism.
 
2013-01-04 02:12:42 AM  

Blame Hofmann: This is actually a hard question. Many people can't even manage the framework - they confuse overrated with over-hyped.


Only because people have been saying "rated" for so long, instead of "hyped" that they've come to mean the same thing in the common vernacular, or visa versa, but people discussing it are not the only blame.

Part of the problem lies in ads containing glowing reviews, and reviews that are basically paid for write-ups(ads).

What helps to reference the two would be rated(reviewers and word of mouth), and hyped(buzz created from ads and trailers and gossip). But really, the distinction is almost pointless at this stage, unless it's specified which is meant at the beginning of an article.

That's where this article fails, they title it "over-rated" but specifically talk about "hype". That, and the relatively small sample size, and the fact that people's reviews tend to be less glowing months after release and initial viewing, people confuse expectations being let down with an honest review, etc.

I just saw the new Spiderman. I liked it a bit better than the previous emo-trilogy. Sure, it had it's emo moments as well, but it crammed in just enough range to make it ok. That the movie wasn't 1 hour of Tobey looking confused(which was in all 3 of the others) was a nice touch as well.
 
2013-01-04 02:34:08 AM  
Batman was the most overrated in my opinion. It was a horrible let-down after the other two in the series.

Avengers was good with all of the character interaction, but fell apart when it became CGI heroes fighting a horde of CGI whatever. I stopped caring at that point. A 40 minute, titanic battle to save the world, and they couldn't even manage to make me not get up to go take a dump...
 
2013-01-04 02:47:18 AM  

Shadowknight: Apos: I disagree. The Avengers not only lived up to the hype, it exceeded it. The Dark Knight Rises OTOH wasn't nearly as stellar as the critics claimed and should therefore be #1.

I agree with Bernie's designation, though.

Agreed 110%.  I loved Avengers.  Dark Knight Rises was not even a Batman movie.  It was emo Bruce Wayne crying about not wanting to be Batman with plot holes big enough to drive a truck through.


That was my opinion too. "Where's Batman? Oh, he's over there... being not-Batman."
And Bane's voice pissed me off, on a purely aesthetic level. Sure, I didn't expect the sort of death metal growl that sadly only used monosyllables in the (awful) previous film appearance of the character, but he sounded like he was using a sarcastic inflection every time, and it just came out whiny.
So it was like a vortex of whine, who can be emo and whine about life more? Even the appearance of the Catwoman was all about whining, "oh poor me, I just want to lose my criminal record so I can retire, wah wah wah..." And the proto-Robin character, also whining, "Oh, you're doing the hero part all wrong, Mr. Wayne...!"

Avengers at least had some snappy dialogue, humour, and action, even if there were simply too many characters to share both drama and action sequences with to lend worthwhile context.
 
2013-01-04 02:50:41 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: Distasteful, no.  Boring, yes.  The big, climactic battle was superfluous, and the deus ex machina of a nuke stopping the entire bad guy army was weak.  Really, the bad guy army was pathetic - were they organic or droids robots isn't even the biggest problem.


I don't think the nuke was needed to stop the invasion - closing the portal would do that itself. But if they closed the portal and still had a live nuke there, it's still a problem.

I do think the Chitari greatly overestimated their own worth at invading worlds. Heck, if it had been Fleet Week in NYC at the time of the invasion, they may have been stopped without the Avengers, eventually.
 
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