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2013-01-03 06:12:56 PM

StopLurkListen: [Avengers spoiler alert] Was there any justification for Hulk to go smashing through the ship trying to kill whatsername when later we find out he was in control of the Hulk all the time?


Spoiler alert for anybody who is still reading this thread yet has not watched Avengers
I got the impression that Banner actually has 2 powers: 1 awesome and 1 sucky.

The awesome power is that he can turn into this indestructible killing machine that is pretty dumb but fantastically hefty. This guy is referred to in the movie as "The Hulk"

The sucky power is that he sometimes freaks out and can't control himself. That uncontrollable guy turns into The Hulk because it allows him more ability to fark shiat up. This guy is referred to in the movie as "The other guy."

Note, Banner did not say, "I put a bullet in my mouth. The Hulk spat it out." He said "The other guy spat it out." At first, I thought they were trying to not say The Hulk for some reason, but later, they freely refer to him as The Hulk. Cap even gives him the classic line as an order, "Hulk... Smash."

Anyway, I may be overthinking it. But I guess I rated it a bit overly.
 
2013-01-03 06:15:50 PM

Wayne 985: The first Thor was godawful


cdn.fd.uproxx.com

/what movie did you watch?
 
2013-01-03 06:16:09 PM

Champion of the Sun: PsyLord: Although I did enjoy TDKR, I thought it was way overhyped. One of the most absurd parts was the stock market assault and then what happened to Bruce Wayne after that. Really? No one thought it was fishy? None of the stock brokers inside made statements about them doing something to the system? Really?

So did Wayne get his money back? Fox said if they worked a long time they could unravel the transfers of his money I think? If Bruce was so dedicated to helping fostered children, seems like working to get his billions back might be a good idea.


I think he didn't when the movie ended. But I'm sure he had enough squirreled away in offshore accounts (judging from the end scene, he wasn't a homeless bum).
 
2013-01-03 06:16:27 PM
are there any good movies any more?

and,

are there any movies any more that aren't comics? seriously, what's with all the comics?
 
2013-01-03 06:17:28 PM
StopLurkListen: [Avengers spoiler alert] Was there any justification for Hulk to go smashing through the ship trying to kill whatsername when later we find out he was in control of the Hulk all the time?

It's pretty obvious that when Banner initiates the transformation, he has much better control and/or is more "present" than when the transformation is forced upon him. Notice after he initiates the transformation in New York, he sticks close to the other Avengers instead of rampaging all over the place - he even responds when Cap called his name.
 
2013-01-03 06:17:36 PM
According to more than 2,600 respondents to a Times online survey...

Sounds legit...

Personally, I enjoyed it. It was fun, and only slightly more unbelievable than any other comic book movie. "Most overrated"? I don't know, but I personally got enough enjoyment out of it to get my money's worth.
 
2013-01-03 06:17:52 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Plant Rights Activist:
the better question is: how did he lose it in the first place? He's not batmanning, he's not doing any public events and he's not even keeping an eye on Waynecorp for what like 8 years. What happened? Did he get suckered into World of Warcraft or something?

This is stated quite explicitly in the film multiple times including directly in answer to his question of "where has all my money gone". He funneled the company's resources into the fusion reactor project which he then refused to turn on or earn any money from.

How do you not get this?


unless he's building the thing brick by brick by himself I don't see how he wouldn't have the time to do some public events or you know... make sure the orphans are still getting paid. I mean seriously, what was he doing with all that time? Masterbatting?
 
2013-01-03 06:20:43 PM

Plant Rights Activist: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Plant Rights Activist:
the better question is: how did he lose it in the first place? He's not batmanning, he's not doing any public events and he's not even keeping an eye on Waynecorp for what like 8 years. What happened? Did he get suckered into World of Warcraft or something?

This is stated quite explicitly in the film multiple times including directly in answer to his question of "where has all my money gone". He funneled the company's resources into the fusion reactor project which he then refused to turn on or earn any money from.

How do you not get this?

unless he's building the thing brick by brick by himself I don't see how he wouldn't have the time to do some public events or you know... make sure the orphans are still getting paid. I mean seriously, what was he doing with all that time? Masterbatting?


Being a rich recluse. Sure, if he HAD paid enough attention maybe he could have done something about it, but he simply wasn't because he was having issues. That was pretty well established.
 
2013-01-03 06:21:17 PM

proteus_b: are there any good movies any more?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-03 06:22:55 PM

sprawl15: proteus_b: are there any good movies any more?

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Nope, sorry. If people started liking that movie then everyone on this tab would start talking about how much it sucked and how many problems it had.

No movie is perfect, you ninnyhammers (except maybe Casablanca) and the Avengers was awesome.
 
2013-01-03 06:23:07 PM
Sorry Whedonites, Avengers was good, but not great. The fact that people are trotting out the "It doesn't have to be Shakespeare or Citizen Kane" arguments is proof of it's storytelling quality.

It's good dumb entertainment, but it's still dumb entertainment.
 
2013-01-03 06:25:48 PM

proteus_b: are there any good movies any more?

and,

are there any movies any more that aren't comics? seriously, what's with all the comics?


Safety Not Guaranteed and Moonrise Kingdom were both original good movies.
 
2013-01-03 06:26:59 PM

PsyLord: Champion of the Sun: PsyLord: Although I did enjoy TDKR, I thought it was way overhyped. One of the most absurd parts was the stock market assault and then what happened to Bruce Wayne after that. Really? No one thought it was fishy? None of the stock brokers inside made statements about them doing something to the system? Really?

So did Wayne get his money back? Fox said if they worked a long time they could unravel the transfers of his money I think? If Bruce was so dedicated to helping fostered children, seems like working to get his billions back might be a good idea.

I think he didn't when the movie ended. But I'm sure he had enough squirreled away in offshore accounts (judging from the end scene, he wasn't a homeless bum).


Exactly. This is supposedly a plot hole even before the end. "How did he get back to Gotham without money/resources?" This is a case where the answer actually is, "He's Batman". Of course he's prepared. For me it's a memorized phone number + hidden accounts on each continent to reach the type of people who flew him out of China in TDK. I feel bad for people who don't even try to fill in the blanks during movies and need everything to happen on screen.
 
2013-01-03 06:27:11 PM
Anything with Jeremy Renner is a let down.
 
2013-01-03 06:31:21 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I liked Avengers -- it had no aspirations other than "Big, Dumb, Fun Popcorn Movie" and "Launch a Metric Asston of Sequels."

Yet, in a movie packed with Gods from other realms, Cosmic MacGuffins of power, a flying aircraft carrier and Robin Scherbatzky as a government agent -- the only thing that *really* kicked me out of the movie was the "We have to get Hawkeye and Black Widow on the ground for the insane, city-destroying firefight between our unstoppable superbeings and the laser-firing alien monsters! He's got a bow! She's got a pistol! We'll be lost without them!" At least they made Hawkeye the observation platform.

It would be like a Justice League movie where an asteroid is going to obliterate the earth and they say "Superman! Oh, Superman! Don't forget to take Wendy and Marvin Aquaman along!"


/More appropriate.
 
2013-01-03 06:31:48 PM

proteus_b: are there any movies any more that aren't comics?


i.imgur.com

I advise everyone to watch this movie right now.
 
2013-01-03 06:33:34 PM

89 Stick-Up Kid: Anything with Jeremy Renner is a let down.


^^ *THIS* ^^
That Bourne movie was supposed to be awesome, right? If it had been on the poll, it probably would have won.
 
2013-01-03 06:36:24 PM

Snark Shark II: Champion of the Sun: Snark Shark II: It says in that article that the engineers sent down one of their own to try to teach humans how to get along with one another and that humans killed him. This goes right along with all of the Ancient Aliens stuff in the film, with all the cave paintings and everything.

I really hate when explanations for major plot points of a movie aren't in the movie. I'm looking at you Star Trek (2009). I made a bunch of assumptions up about everyone in Prometheus so their actions made sense in my mind. Like, I assumed that all cobras were dead in the future, and that's why that biologist was trying to pet the alien snake that looked like he was about strike.

yeah, don't get me wrong, movie needed more explanation. I'm thinking he was planning on doing more in the next movie but yeah there was a lot of context missing and what looked awesome in a trailer was a mess of a script onscreen.

/ running from a rolling spaceship
// don't even think to run left or right to get out of the way
/// stupid, stupid, stupid.


it's scifi. Your problem with the movie was seriously that it was too vague and it needed to spell every little thing out? Now I understand why avengers was so popular. Hold on Bruce, let's put this in terms Hulk can understand
 
2013-01-03 06:39:51 PM
Avengers was fun while watching it, but bland and forgettable. Good popcorn movie, but nothing I'll ever likely watch again at home. Reminds me a lot of Batman '89 in a lot of ways. Batman '89 was a mediocre movie that did huge business because of great marketing and great timing. Same thing with Avengers. Like Batman, I doubt many people will really remember much about the movie 20 years from now, but they'll certainly remember the hype surrounding it.
 
2013-01-03 06:40:23 PM

Decillion: Exactly. This is supposedly a plot hole even before the end. "How did he get back to Gotham without money/resources?" This is a case where the answer actually is, "He's Batman". Of course he's prepared. For me it's a memorized phone number + hidden accounts on each continent to reach the type of people who flew him out of China in TDK. I feel bad for people who don't even try to fill in the blanks during movies and need everything to happen on screen.


I was talking about getting the money stolen during the stock market scene back, and thought he'd want the money for the foster kids and not himself. They read his will on screen, that seems like a pretty good time to be all like, all the money stolen by Bane goes to Punky Brewster or something.

You're right though, the people who think him getting back to Gotham is a plot hole are stupid. Especially when it's been established in the movies that he was able to travel freely with no money or identification.
 
2013-01-03 06:43:57 PM

dj_spanmaster: Statistically speaking, of COURSE The Avengers was the most overrated. More people went to see it than went to see the other films, and it wasn't exactly a film of substance.

The list:
"The Avengers" 85.39%
"Prometheus" 4.62%
"Brave" 1.02%
"Ted" 3.03%
"Project X" 1.78%
"The Master" 1.78%
"Cloud Atlas" 2.38%

With a loaded list like that and the limited sampling, people voted for the film that they saw and remember liking the least in retrospect. Very few films on the list were bad. Where's "Cabin in the Woods"? "Total Recall"? I wonder how many abstained.


It would've made tons more sense to compare Avengers to the other big-name summer blockbusters. Personally, John Blake Rises is the most overrated film this year. I haven't seen so many people rush to defend mediocrity since Tony Romo cost his team a chance at the playoffs.
 
2013-01-03 06:45:54 PM

browneye: "The Avengers" voted most overrated movie of 2012

The Avengers was critically acclaimed and went on to become the third highest grossing movie of all time. So of course that guaranteed someone was going to vote it the most overrated.


The Avengers was fun which is what I want in a movie
Prometheus was crap and after the first 10 to 15 mins I was rooting for everyone in it to die since they were too stupid to live
 
2013-01-03 06:49:06 PM

89 Stick-Up Kid: Anything other than "The Town" and "The Avengers" with Jeremy Renner is a let down.



FTFY.

/Decent actor with a spotty record.
 
2013-01-03 06:51:55 PM
I loved The Avengers. I have watched it 5 or 6 times. Sure there were some goofy parts, and unbelievable scenes, but that wasn't the point. I'm a Joss Wheden fanboy, and I think he did a great job with something that could have easily been a huge mess. I don't think people give him enough credit for pulling off an almost impossible task. The movie was fun, gorgeous, had good casting (for the most part), great pace, and funny parts without overdoing it. It delivered exactly what it was supposed to, and I am glad Joss is doing the next one. Sundance award winning movie? Nope. Helluva ride? Yep.

Promethius can lick my taint. THAT was a huge disappointment, but it was a pretty movie to look at. It tried to be "deep" and failed miserably. A couple interesting ideas that could have gone somewhere cool, but the cast, overall plot, and the sheer stupidity of the characters blew it.
 
2013-01-03 06:57:08 PM

brigid_fitch: A close second to Prometheus as most overhyped HAS to be The Hobbit.  And I absolutely loved the book when I was a kid and have re-read it many times over the years.  That movie's been promoted like mad for almost a year, only to give us something padded it out to 2 1/2 hours and fill it full of....just junk.  Storm Giants?  Radagast?  The whole thing w/the Pale Orc?  Ugh.  Just tell the damn story, Jackson, or you're going to end up like Thror--crazy and obsessed with gold.


Maybe it's because I haven't read The Hobbit since I was a kid, but I found the movie to be completely enjoyable. I wished they'd just show all 9 hours in one sitting. I would have stayed. I have lots of patience though.
 
2013-01-03 06:57:51 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: scottydoesntknow: Fark that, "The Avengers" was the most fun I had in theaters all year.

"Prometheus" was the biggest letdown.

"Dredd" was the biggest surprise for me this year. I went in with very low expectations, but was thorougly impressed. And Karl Urban as Dredd was just fantastic. Too bad it did terribly in the theaters, they really could've done something with that franchise.

I like yours better than mine.

/Dredd was surprisingly good.


it really exceeded expectations
 
2013-01-03 07:00:30 PM

vrax: brigid_fitch: A close second to Prometheus as most overhyped HAS to be The Hobbit.  And I absolutely loved the book when I was a kid and have re-read it many times over the years.  That movie's been promoted like mad for almost a year, only to give us something padded it out to 2 1/2 hours and fill it full of....just junk.  Storm Giants?  Radagast?  The whole thing w/the Pale Orc?  Ugh.  Just tell the damn story, Jackson, or you're going to end up like Thror--crazy and obsessed with gold.

Maybe it's because I haven't read The Hobbit since I was a kid, but I found the movie to be completely enjoyable. I wished they'd just show all 9 hours in one sitting. I would have stayed. I have lots of patience though.


I must be the only person in the universe that meets the following criteria:

1. Read the hobbit and LOTR, completely
B. wasn't bored by them
Ɣ. Loved the hobbit movie and all three LOTR movies
 
2013-01-03 07:00:46 PM
The Grey was another woefully under appreciated flick from last year, due in part to its pitiful marketing. I can't say enough great things about that flick. Excellent supporting cast, stunning cinematography, excellent pacing and a riveting performance from Liam Neeson.

Fantastic film.
 
2013-01-03 07:02:47 PM
What's wrong with you people? Avengers was fantastic. To have that many major characters fit together in a story that well is an art. And be funny. And have good action. And oh by the way ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD HULK! Man, and I thought I was a bitter asshole. You guys take the cake. And no I've never been a comic book fan.

Dark Knight Rises? That was merely not as great as it could have been. A good edit could fix that.

But Prometheus was so bad it hurt.
 
2013-01-03 07:04:15 PM

gingerjet: Wayne 985: The first Thor was godawful

[cdn.fd.uproxx.com image 600x358]

/what movie did you watch?


as i've said elsewhere, i am painfully straight, but godDAMN that is a fine fine hunk of man-flesh...
 
2013-01-03 07:07:57 PM

PanicMan: What's wrong with you people? Avengers was fantastic. To have that many major characters fit together in a story that well is an art. And be funny. And have good action. And oh by the way ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD HULK! Man, and I thought I was a bitter asshole. You guys take the cake. And no I've never been a comic book fan.

Dark Knight Rises? That was merely not as great as it could have been. A good edit could fix that.

But Prometheus was so bad it hurt.


You know how when you touch a woman's boobies and the feel like a bag of sand?
 
2013-01-03 07:11:45 PM

velvet_fog: Avengers was fun while watching it, but bland and forgettable. Good popcorn movie, but nothing I'll ever likely watch again at home. Reminds me a lot of Batman '89 in a lot of ways. Batman '89 was a mediocre movie that did huge business because of great marketing and great timing. Same thing with Avengers. Like Batman, I doubt many people will really remember much about the movie 20 years from now, but they'll certainly remember the hype surrounding it.


Wow really? I can remember Batman '89 pretty well, scenes, memorable lines, the stupid farking Prince song that got thrown into the sound track and all. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Maybe if they were pretty young when the movie came out or something I could see forgetting a lot about it, but even then it still doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
2013-01-03 07:12:39 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: Promethius can lick my taint. THAT was a huge disappointment, but it was a pretty movie to look at. It tried to be "deep" and failed miserably. A couple interesting ideas that could have gone somewhere cool, but the cast, overall plot, and the sheer stupidity of the characters blew it.


Overhype was it's biggest enemy, by far. I've now seen it a couple of times and it's pretty solid, actually better on second viewing. If I was unwilling to overlook an odd decision in films here or there I'd never like anything, but Prometheus, while it could have been better, was not bad by any measure. Currently, my primary issue with the film is that after seeing all the Blu-Ray extras, I call bullshiat on many of the cuts made. They explain why they did what they did, but I wished they had worried less about time and more about fleshing things out. Scott's discarding of the awesome CGI Fifield sequence was a bonehead decision, IMHO.
 
2013-01-03 07:13:54 PM

89 Stick-Up Kid: Anything with Jeremy Renner is a let down.


The next time you have a few hours to spare you should check out The Assassination of Jesse James.
 
2013-01-03 07:18:05 PM

Eunuch Provocateur: 89 Stick-Up Kid: Anything with Jeremy Renner is a let down.

The next time you have a few hours to spare you should check out The Assassination of Jesse James.


I liked him in the newest Bourne movie. I went into it with low expectations and was pleasantly surprised.
 
2013-01-03 07:18:27 PM
"Prometheus." Seriously.
 
2013-01-03 07:19:01 PM
I'm fairly certain I watched it. But I don't remember anything about it.
 
2013-01-03 07:19:42 PM

vrax: Overhype was it's biggest enemy, by far. I've now seen it a couple of times and it's pretty solid, actually better on second viewing. If I was unwilling to overlook an odd decision in films here or there I'd never like anything, but Prometheus, while it could have been better, was not bad by any measure. Currently, my primary issue with the film is that after seeing all the Blu-Ray extras, I call bullshiat on many of the cuts made. They explain why they did what they did, but I wished they had worried less about time and more about fleshing things out. Scott's discarding of the awesome CGI Fifield sequence was a bonehead decision, IMHO.


I'm always willing to give a movie a second chance. Perhaps I'll check out a director's cut when I'm really high or something...
 
2013-01-03 07:22:42 PM

scottydoesntknow: Fark that, "The Avengers" was the most fun I had in theaters all year.

"Prometheus" was the biggest letdown.

"Dredd" was the biggest surprise for me this year. I went in with very low expectations, but was thorougly impressed. And Karl Urban as Dredd was just fantastic. Too bad it did terribly in the theaters, they really could've done something with that franchise.


Judge Dredd has little to no penetration in the U.S. It did about as well as I expected it to.
 
2013-01-03 07:23:04 PM

Champion of the Sun: all the money stolen by Bane


Bane didn't steal the money, that was the whole trick. He made terrible market bets in Wayne's name so nearly all his money would be lost. That money went to other people in the market, many of whom were soon deprived of their homes and riches anyway. Ehh, some of it probably went to the board guy who got killed by Bane after he was no longer useful. Miranda was rich anyway and it would have been suspicious if she took it.
 
2013-01-03 07:24:16 PM

Yotto: StopLurkListen: [Avengers spoiler alert] Was there any justification for Hulk to go smashing through the ship trying to kill whatsername when later we find out he was in control of the Hulk all the time?

Spoiler alert for anybody who is still reading this thread yet has not watched Avengers
I got the impression that Banner actually has 2 powers: 1 awesome and 1 sucky.

The awesome power is that he can turn into this indestructible killing machine that is pretty dumb but fantastically hefty. This guy is referred to in the movie as "The Hulk"

The sucky power is that he sometimes freaks out and can't control himself. That uncontrollable guy turns into The Hulk because it allows him more ability to fark shiat up. This guy is referred to in the movie as "The other guy."

Note, Banner did not say, "I put a bullet in my mouth. The Hulk spat it out." He said "The other guy spat it out." At first, I thought they were trying to not say The Hulk for some reason, but later, they freely refer to him as The Hulk. Cap even gives him the classic line as an order, "Hulk... Smash."

Anyway, I may be overthinking it. But I guess I rated it a bit overly.


That's more or less how I read it. Basically his anger (which he says always has) allows him to turn into The Hulk at will, and when done voluntarily he maintains control. However, if his anger gets the best of him (as happened on the helicarrier) you get mindless rage machine other guy hulk that has no self control (attacking anyone that moves), sense of self preservation (jumping onto a plane and tearing it to pieces), etc. Banner's terrified of the latter so up until the end opts to try and bottle up both.
 
2013-01-03 07:25:35 PM

Pocket Ninja: Bad movie, but "most overrated" would have to go to Skyfall.


No way. Avengers might have been better than Skyfall (MIGHT), but Skyfall doesn't have a sizable portion of nerd culture splooging over it and rabidly calling it the best movie of the year. Avengers entirely deserves the title of "Most Overrated Film of 2012".

/Enjoyed both Skyfall and Avengers, but both were "Meh" overall. Neither worth buying on Blu Ray unless they're part of a retrospective
 
2013-01-03 07:30:27 PM
MIB 3 was better
 
2013-01-03 07:31:18 PM
Yes, I agree.  After seeing it, I went back to see it three more times just to express my outrage.  Then I bought it on Blu-Ray and expressed my outrage another dozen times.

/And counting
 
2013-01-03 07:32:49 PM

dirtyeffinhippie: vrax: Overhype was it's biggest enemy, by far. I've now seen it a couple of times and it's pretty solid, actually better on second viewing. If I was unwilling to overlook an odd decision in films here or there I'd never like anything, but Prometheus, while it could have been better, was not bad by any measure. Currently, my primary issue with the film is that after seeing all the Blu-Ray extras, I call bullshiat on many of the cuts made. They explain why they did what they did, but I wished they had worried less about time and more about fleshing things out. Scott's discarding of the awesome CGI Fifield sequence was a bonehead decision, IMHO.

I'm always willing to give a movie a second chance. Perhaps I'll check out a director's cut when I'm really high or something...


Yeah, I would give it a shot. I don't mean that I wasn't a bit disappointed when I saw it in the theater. However, when I let the hype that I'd built up for myself (which was substantial) fade away, I realized that the movie was far more enjoyable and thought-provoking than I initially gave it credit for. In a way, the film felt a little backwards or front heavy in that the one thing I thought they did superbly well is the opening sequence. IMHO, that was a first-rate little bit of sci-fi cinema and grabbed me right away. If the rest of the film had risen to that level, it would have been a masterpiece.
 
2013-01-03 07:32:54 PM
Was I the only one who found the last half hour astonishingly distasteful? It was clearly meant to elicit memories of 9/11 with its destruction of skyscrapers, dust clouds, fleeing crowds etc and was used for a stupid campy superhero movie about big men in spandex prancing about. Amazing that the memory of this tragedy can be so cheapened so soon.
 
2013-01-03 07:33:59 PM
The Dark Knight Rises insulted me on so many levels. I should have expected it though, Nolan movies never stand up to rational thinking. Inception being the best example of his style: massive plot holes, unnecessary characters, and nonsensical motivations.

Avengers was awesome, I can't stand Whedon and I still liked it.
 
2013-01-03 07:34:49 PM

Shadowknight: Apos: I disagree. The Avengers not only lived up to the hype, it exceeded it. The Dark Knight Rises OTOH wasn't nearly as stellar as the critics claimed and should therefore be #1.

I agree with Bernie's designation, though.

Agreed 110%.  I loved Avengers.  Dark Knight Rises was not even a Batman movie.  It was emo Bruce Wayne crying about not wanting to be Batman with plot holes big enough to drive a truck through.


Pretty much. It was by far the most overrated movie of the year for me. It was good but not great. I wouldn't put Prometheus on that list though because it was crap from beginning to end.
 
2013-01-03 07:35:05 PM

Errk: Award worthy....

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SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Errk: Award worthy....

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Not even the most attractive in the movie...

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2013-01-03 07:37:06 PM
I enjoyed the crap out of it, so um.........

Fark you. No one cares about your opinion.
 
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