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2013-01-03 02:58:51 PM
How about no?
 
2013-01-03 03:06:23 PM
I liked the one with the Wolverine helmet on Mars. +1
 
2013-01-03 03:08:03 PM
 
2013-01-03 03:19:47 PM
It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................
 
2013-01-03 03:27:12 PM
The most overrated college defensive player since Nick Fairley when it comes to the "potential" hype.

Mind you, he's BETTER than Nick Fairley (albeit different positions on the line) and will be better in the NFL, but he's a one-trick pony (rushing the QB) who is just incredibly talented at that one trick, and not nearly as good as he should be at everything else given his athleticism. Maybe professional coaches will let him become a feared end-rusher, once he learns some more moves and learns that, in football, the shortest distance between two points is NOT always a straight line.

Someone tried to compare him to Suh or Reggie White. At best he can hope to become Dwight Freeney, but I question whether Clowney will put in that kind of work because he's been showered with praise and sunshine for years and years. Though Suh hasn't worked as hard on some aspects of his game and somewhat regressed from his rookie season (IMO, falling into that same trap of believing in his own hype), he's still probably the most focused-upon d-lineman in the NFL this side of maybe Halioti Ngata.
 
2013-01-03 03:27:52 PM

Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QRB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................


And according to Gregg Easterbrook, on a hit like that where a player's helmet goes flying, it is often the result of the player not strapping the helmet on firmly (he missed a snap, the straps aren't tight enough anyway, etc).

So while it does look like the DE leads with his head (which is illegal) and makes contact with the RB's helmet (also verboten, though with the height difference, I can certainly see how it happened), the fact that the RBs helmet came off isn't proof of anything other than he needs to make sure his helmet's on tight next time. The hit was powerful, but I bet the back of his head hitting the turf was more so.
 
2013-01-03 03:30:08 PM
And in spite of all of that rant, I honestly didn't think of him as "overrated" until I saw a comparison to White or Suh. Then it made me think about how much hype's been showered on this guy since he was a Freshman.

But, I mean, ESPN/CBSEC were out there telling us how GOOD Florida was. Well, we saw it last night.
 
2013-01-03 03:37:56 PM

Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................


That helmet hit all sternum. It ain't Clowney's fault boy didn't know how to secure his helmet.
 
2013-01-03 03:41:58 PM

Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................


It's rare that you see someone accidentally the whole thing, but you just did. Not the quarterback, and chest was point of contact. Helmet came off because he hit him so damn hard.
 
2013-01-03 03:42:38 PM

IlGreven: Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................

That helmet hit all sternum. It ain't Clowney's fault boy didn't know how to secure his helmet.


Also, whatever happened to reteaching the shoulder tackle? You would think somebody would start thinking "Hmmm, headshots/big hits are slowly being taken out of the game. Maybe I should go back to basics and teach these kids to properly tackle an opposing player without fear of getting flagged and/or taking the opposing players' head of and thereby creating a scene."
 
2013-01-03 03:43:45 PM

Dr Dreidel: Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QRB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................

And according to Gregg Easterbrook, on a hit like that where a player's helmet goes flying, it is often the result of the player not strapping the helmet on firmly (he missed a snap, the straps aren't tight enough anyway, etc).

So while it does look like the DE leads with his head (which is illegal) and makes contact with the RB's helmet (also verboten, though with the height difference, I can certainly see how it happened), the fact that the RBs helmet came off isn't proof of anything other than he needs to make sure his helmet's on tight next time. The hit was powerful, but I bet the back of his head hitting the turf was more so.


I don't know about college rules, but that hit is definitely NOT illegal in the NFL. Helmet to helmet hits like that are only illegal on a QB or defenseless receiver. Anyone running with the ball, QB included, can legally be hit helmet to helmet. I'm guessing because it was not flagged here that it is also not illegal in college as it was fairly obviously helmet to helmet.

I'm sure they would love to do away with all helmet to helmet hits, including this kind, but might be nearly impossible in most cases when dealing with someone running with the ball.
 
2013-01-03 03:47:42 PM

Rwa2play: Also, whatever happened to reteaching the shoulder tackle? You would think somebody would start thinking "Hmmm, headshots/big hits are slowly being taken out of the game. Maybe I should go back to basics and teach these kids to properly tackle an opposing player without fear of getting flagged and/or taking the opposing players' head of and thereby creating a scene."


It has also led to a shiatload of missed tackles. Without wrapping up (which the headhunters usually don't), if the initial pop doesn't down the runner (or they dodge it), the defensive guy gets to sit on his ass and watch the guy who he should have tackled get more yards.
 
2013-01-03 03:49:06 PM
The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?
 
2013-01-03 04:01:40 PM

varmitydog: The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?


"I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds", although some texts go with "Larry" instead.
 
2013-01-03 04:02:06 PM
I like this one:
 
2013-01-03 04:03:19 PM

puffy999: The most overrated college defensive player since Nick Fairley when it comes to the "potential" hype.


He's a consensus first team AA and was 3rd nationally in sacks and tackles for loss as a true sophomore. That's not overrated.
 
2013-01-03 04:06:24 PM

Dogfacedgod: I like this one:


It was pretty awesome.
 
2013-01-03 04:07:15 PM

Gonz: varmitydog: The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?

"I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds", although some texts go with "Larry" instead.


Now that's funny right there.  +++ would read again.
 
2013-01-03 04:08:14 PM

Rwa2play: IlGreven: Strik3r: It would have been a better hit if he hadn't knocked the QB's helmet of with his own. FYI, head shots often cause helmets to come off and are illegal in the NFL...................

That helmet hit all sternum. It ain't Clowney's fault boy didn't know how to secure his helmet.

Also, whatever happened to reteaching the shoulder tackle? You would think somebody would start thinking "Hmmm, headshots/big hits are slowly being taken out of the game. Maybe I should go back to basics and teach these kids to properly tackle an opposing player without fear of getting flagged and/or taking the opposing players' head of and thereby creating a scene."


The shoulder tackle you might be thinking of was discouraged because players' heads can easily get into a position that would leave them susceptible to neck and spine injuries. If you are talking about just placing your head off to the side (preferably the ball side) of the ball carrier, they were already teaching that 10 years ago when I played high school football. Even with that form tackle technique, very few in-game tackles can ever be form tackles.

Just the way the ball carrier runs the ball (low, leaning forward) makes it very difficult to avoid his helmet with your own, avoid risking neck/spine injury for yourself, and not attempt just an arm or diving tackle. You have to keep your head up, which will put it near the same level as his unless you are diving. If you are coming at him from the side, you have to have your helmet in front of him, where his helmet is also, rather than behind because otherwise there is only an arm between him and a broken tackle.
 
2013-01-03 04:30:07 PM

Galloping Galoshes: I liked the one with the Wolverine helmet on Mars. +1


Watching the game, thought about shopping it into this:

i260.photobucket.com

/haz no skilz
 
2013-01-03 04:35:20 PM
It didn't help Smith that he had hit Clowney earlier in the game right in the nuts with the helmet that went flying. There might have been more motivation than the controversial call that occurred right before that play.

Ugh. At least it was a tight game. Next year will be... interesting ...for the Big Ten and for Michigan.
 
2013-01-03 04:35:24 PM
Heck of a hit, but yeah, if the RB had strapped it on, it wouldn't have become detached.

What I don't get is how the broadcasters named him player of the game. He had what, 4 tackles the whole game? And that was the only one for a loss. Sure, it came at a critical juncture, but one SC WR caught and returned a TD with something like 200+ yards for the game. How do you not give it to that guy?

/also, great game
 
2013-01-03 04:39:42 PM
I wonder if the increase in helmets flying off has anything to do with how much hair some of these guys have, whether it's a a guy with dreadlocks like the unfortunate Mr. Smith or a Clay Matthews type long-haired white boy.
 
2013-01-03 04:40:57 PM

puffy999: Someone tried to compare him to Suh or Reggie White. At best he can hope to become Dwight Freeney, but I question whether Clowney will put in that kind of work


They said the same thing about Suggs - he only went downhill as a DE in college (I forget now if he was at U-AZ or ASU), he'd never be able to make the transition to hybrid (they were sort of right - now he's simply a DE who "forgets" to put his hand down sometimes), and couldn't read defenses for lack of caring about anything other than hurting the small man with the ball.

Sizzle, what say you?
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I say I'm a 5-time Pro-Bowler and was last year's Defensive POY. Want some hot sauce to help you with that crow?
 
2013-01-03 04:42:58 PM

Claude the Dog: I wonder if the increase in helmets flying off has anything to do with how much hair some of these guys have, whether it's a a guy with dreadlocks like the unfortunate Mr. Smith or a Clay Matthews type long-haired white boy.


Yes, it does. But the hair also does act as an extra layer of protection... provided the helmet stays on.
 
2013-01-03 04:47:17 PM

Ruffian: Heck of a hit, but yeah, if the RB had strapped it on, it wouldn't have become detached.

What I don't get is how the broadcasters named him player of the game. He had what, 4 tackles the whole game? And that was the only one for a loss. Sure, it came at a critical juncture, but one SC WR caught and returned a TD with something like 200+ yards for the game. How do you not give it to that guy?

/also, great game


I didn't watch the game, but from the clip they were down 1 with about 8 minutes left to go when he forced the fumble and recovered it. I'm guessing they went on to score off that turnover. Broadcasters are always suckers for game-changing defensive or special teams plays (I'm assuming that others guy's return TD was earlier in the game). So I would guess they gave him that title for that one play.
 
2013-01-03 04:53:38 PM

davideggy: I didn't watch the game, but from the clip they were down 1 with about 8 minutes left to go when he forced the fumble and recovered it. I'm guessing they went on to score off that turnover. Broadcasters are always suckers for game-changing defensive or special teams plays (I'm assuming that others guy's return TD was earlier in the game). So I would guess they gave him that title for that one play.


It also erased what was literally the worst first down call in the history of the game that didn't occur in a Three Stooges short.
 
2013-01-03 05:53:54 PM

Bleyo: Deslided


You are a shining example of what is right in this world.

On topic, damn, that was a big hit. I know nothing about college football, but this morning on the radio one of the hosts said the guy should get an exemption to be able to enter the draft this year and that he is NFL ready. That is some serious hype.
 
2013-01-03 06:29:44 PM

varmitydog: The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?


I've made a parlor game of coming up with new ghetto baby names. I'm thinking of creating an online baby name generator with all the stuff I come up with.

D'Shonthay
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Artelious
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Shaquan
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Fakeem
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Dermarrio
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Martavious
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Antjuan
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Tershaun
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Ja'Gregory

etc.
 
2013-01-03 06:41:06 PM

Super Chronic: varmitydog: The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?

I've made a parlor game of coming up with new ghetto baby names. I'm thinking of creating an online baby name generator with all the stuff I come up with.

D'Shonthay
*click*
Artelious
*click*
Shaquan
*click*
Fakeem
*click*
Shamirakhan
*click*
Dermarrio
*click*
Martavious
*click*
Antjuan
*click*
Tershaun
*click*
Ja'Gregory

etc.


You must be a riot at the KKK meetings.
 
2013-01-03 08:08:00 PM

PepperFreak: You must be a riot at the KKK meetings.


Just wait till he busts out the "totally real" story that a friend of his told him (who is dating a nurse with a friend in obgyn who knows these things) about "le-a" pronounced "ledasha."

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"
 
2013-01-03 09:30:27 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"

 
2013-01-03 09:32:30 PM

roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"


i1198.photobucket.com

///And that's why we preview kids.
 
2013-01-03 09:55:24 PM
As a Clemson grad, I have to give Mr. Clowney his props. Obviously Karma was in the stands as that hit-fumble-TO happened immediately after the refs hosed South Carolina on a measurement when Michigan went for it on 4-1.

While I have seen more crunching hits, what make this one so impressive is that Clowney is starting from a static position and beats his block and blows up the play in what, one second? Usually when you see that type of hit, the player delivering the blow is reacting to the play, not starting from a three or four point stance....

Clowney is a beast and a game changer and (hopefully) if he stays healthy, will be a top-10 pick in next year's NFL draft.. That being said, I certainly wouldn't complain if he had a stomach virus the day of the Clemson game next year...
 
2013-01-03 10:46:51 PM

jpo2269: hat being said, I certainly wouldn't complain if he had a stomach virus the day of the Clemson game next year...


Wouldn't bother me if Watkins got the same virus
 
2013-01-03 11:12:23 PM
Link

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2013-01-04 12:10:59 AM

calm like a bomb: Rwa2play: Also, whatever happened to reteaching the shoulder tackle? You would think somebody would start thinking "Hmmm, headshots/big hits are slowly being taken out of the game. Maybe I should go back to basics and teach these kids to properly tackle an opposing player without fear of getting flagged and/or taking the opposing players' head of and thereby creating a scene."

It has also led to a shiatload of missed tackles. Without wrapping up (which the headhunters usually don't), if the initial pop doesn't down the runner (or they dodge it), the defensive guy gets to sit on his ass and watch the guy who he should have tackled get more yards.


Yeah and on some instances, the guy delivering the hit is the one being sent to the hospital while the recipient goes back to the huddle for the next play.
 
2013-01-04 12:51:34 AM

roc6783: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"

[i1198.photobucket.com image 600x315]



Eh - badly plagiarizing a not really that funny comedy routine I only half remember. Guess I was grumpy and it hit a button. Sorry.

/welcometofark.jpg for me I guess
 
2013-01-04 07:38:47 AM
He's not overrated. He's terrifying
 
2013-01-04 09:24:52 AM

puffy999: The most overrated college defensive player since Nick Fairley when it comes to the "potential" hype.

Mind you, he's BETTER than Nick Fairley (albeit different positions on the line) and will be better in the NFL, but he's a one-trick pony (rushing the QB) who is just incredibly talented at that one trick, and not nearly as good as he should be at everything else given his athleticism. Maybe professional coaches will let him become a feared end-rusher, once he learns some more moves and learns that, in football, the shortest distance between two points is NOT always a straight line.

Someone tried to compare him to Suh or Reggie White. At best he can hope to become Dwight Freeney, but I question whether Clowney will put in that kind of work because he's been showered with praise and sunshine for years and years. Though Suh hasn't worked as hard on some aspects of his game and somewhat regressed from his rookie season (IMO, falling into that same trap of believing in his own hype), he's still probably the most focused-upon d-lineman in the NFL this side of maybe Halioti Ngata.


Sorry but this is just flat wrong. Clowney was the #1 high school recruit. You had scouts, NFL scouts, calling him the best pro prospect in a decade. And that's before he played a down in college. One of the NYG's scouts said they'd draft him out of high school if they could. That year they picked JPP in the draft. These are people that understand how to evaluate DE s like Clowney.

He isn't a 1 trick pony. He has several rush moves and they're all devastating. He kept beating Michigan's star lt with an inside move so he kept using it. But he will power through lesser lineman and has a great swim move. He learned how to use his hands this year and that's really helped.

Watch any game and see how many tackles he makes after the play has passed him. He plays with great effort, even when the play is designed to avoid his side of the field.

Tldr: you're wrong.
 
2013-01-04 09:46:57 AM

KingsleyZisou: He kept beating Michigan's star lt with an inside move so he kept using it.


The announcers kept saying that Lewan is a star. Any Michigan fan will tell you that he's an over sized tight end who will get killed in the NFL. Incredibly overrated OT. Clowney is a beast though. Only watched the one SC game this year, but if he plays like that normally? Yeah, he has to be the best DLine prospect out there.
 
2013-01-04 10:18:21 AM

Champion of the Sun: KingsleyZisou: He kept beating Michigan's star lt with an inside move so he kept using it.

The announcers kept saying that Lewan is a star. Any Michigan fan will tell you that he's an over sized tight end who will get killed in the NFL. Incredibly overrated OT. Clowney is a beast though. Only watched the one SC game this year, but if he plays like that normally? Yeah, he has to be the best DLine prospect out there.


I thought he played pretty well. He was B1G ol of the year right? Not too shabby. Overall Michigan really impressed me. They hung in there and Hoke too singe gambles that paid off. That's the mark of a well prepared team.

Clowney usually plays better than that actually. But he always finds a way to deliver in the clutch. That's why he'll be talked about for the Heisman next year.
 
2013-01-04 10:41:38 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"


Eh - badly plagiarizing a not really that funny comedy routine I only half remember. Guess I was grumpy and it hit a button. Sorry.

/welcometofark.jpg for me I guess


Umm, I think something was lost in translation with the sarcasm as I was ignoring the KKK accusations in favor of calling a guy "Kyle" or "Tyler" as the "escalation", which in my head was funny. Apparently, it wasn't.
 
2013-01-04 11:24:06 AM

Super Chronic: varmitydog: The most "ridiculous" thing about this guy is his name. Jadeveon Clowney?
Would someone be so kind as to translate "Jadeveon" from Gitchee to English for me?

I've made a parlor game of coming up with new ghetto baby names. I'm thinking of creating an online baby name generator with all the stuff I come up with.

D'Shonthay
*click*
Artelious
*click*
Shaquan
*click*
Fakeem
*click*
Shamirakhan
*click*
Dermarrio
*click*
Martavious
*click*
Antjuan
*click*
Tershaun
*click*
Ja'Gregory

etc.


I was going to post the Key & Peele East/West College Bowl Player introductions but....

tequilasundae: Link

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Someone beat me to it.
 
2013-01-04 12:56:59 PM

tequilasundae: Link

oblig


This makes me a racist because I laughed uncontrollably, right? :(
 
2013-01-04 07:06:51 PM

roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

/at least it wasn't a douchey name like "Kyle" or "Tyler"


Eh - badly plagiarizing a not really that funny comedy routine I only half remember. Guess I was grumpy and it hit a button. Sorry.

/welcometofark.jpg for me I guess

Umm, I think something was lost in translation with the sarcasm as I was ignoring the KKK accusations in favor of calling a guy "Kyle" or "Tyler" as the "escalation", which in my head was funny. Apparently, it wasn't.


Double welcome or me for missing that then. It is funny actually - I just really missed the boat.

Having now milked all potential comedy from the situation, I exit - stage left.
 
2013-01-04 10:30:02 PM

Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: roc6783: roc6783: Tiberius Gracchus: PepperFreak: ***snip***

Double welcome or me for missing that then. It is funny actually - I just really missed the boat.

Having now milked all potential comedy from the situation, I exit - stage left.


You milked it like your mom milked all potential children from me last night.

//There's always comedy left if you are willing to go the extra mile.
 
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