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(The Atlantic Wire)   The US Navy may have just made the "Reefer Madness" of the "bath salts" craze\epidemic (warning: scary imagery and dubstep music)   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 116
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2013-01-03 03:50:33 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There is no epidemic, and nearly every article you read about it was quietly corrected with "Bath salts were not involved" weeks later.


I don't know about an epidemic, but they were all written in the first place with "hard to test for drug designed and sold solely to get around testing and existing laws, which is also not merely one drug but a variety of different chemical compounds were not found by a basic blood test that wasn't even sure which of the many things called bath salts should be tested for". At least iirc.
 
2013-01-03 03:50:47 PM
It kinda lost me. When he spilled his Starbucks over the bridge, was that a symbolic loss of his Navy career?

I'm off to look for the U S Army Gamma Goat training film where the driver starts to think about a braless disco dancer and crashes probably killing himself.
"C'mon Sarge! Back the film up to that part!"
No!
Please!
You're supposed to be learning about the safe operation of the M101A1 6 by 6 vehicle.
We get it. Now let's watch the girlie dance again.
 
2013-01-03 03:51:16 PM
I don't know what part was more horrific, when he pushed the baby powder around with his wad of bills or when he poured his coffee over the bridge.
d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net
(yes)
 
2013-01-03 03:51:17 PM
I didn't even know spice (not talking about the cooking or sandworm type) and bath salts existed until the Navy brought it to me attention. Yes, I'm quite dull.
 
2013-01-03 03:52:12 PM

frepnog: truth is that they really aren't all that dangerous


Any citation? There is no reason to assume by default that smoking unknown chemicals made as cheaply as possible by a seller who is in it for the short term anyways is going to be anything but bad for you.
 
2013-01-03 03:53:32 PM
Sorry., M561A1
http://www.vintagevideostore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&S t ore_Code=VVS&Product_Code=DVD170

It's all this work I do. It's very taxing.
 
2013-01-03 03:58:19 PM

Smackledorfer: frepnog: truth is that they really aren't all that dangerous

Any citation? There is no reason to assume by default that smoking unknown chemicals made as cheaply as possible by a seller who is in it for the short term anyways is going to be anything but bad for you.


the amount of bath salts that the average person might consume is pretty much about as dangerous as taking a lortab, smoking a pack of cigarettes or drinking a redbull. any of those things might kill you.

the media frenzy is just that about bath salts - a frenzy designed to spread fear, uncertainty and doubt because the moral majority is scared to death that someone might get high.

I am not saying they are SAFE. but what really is? alcohol is certainly not "safe". Neither is morphine. Anything you do in that area is a calculated risk.

so snort some bath salts if you want. sure, you might die, but you might die from drinking a couple redbull or by taking some Excedrin migraine with some allergy meds.

you probly won't die.
 
2013-01-03 04:01:32 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Goddamnit sailors. You're drunks sodomites, not stoners. Quit farking around with tradition.

 
2013-01-03 04:01:43 PM

tricycleracer: Smack My biatch Up Part II?


/That's what I thought.
 
2013-01-03 04:04:57 PM

dudicon: There's been very little research done on the compounds commonly found in bath salts. I don't know how some of you have decided that they are in fact really bad and that this isn't just your usual anti drug propaganda.

Maybe it is a dangerous drug. However I'm a bit skeptical considering this whole bath salt danger craze started with the face eater, and we all know how that turned out.


People know what some of the drugs in the cocktail do, and it can cause permanent damage.
I would hope professors at a university would know what they're talking about.
 
2013-01-03 04:07:08 PM

dudicon: There's been very little research done on the compounds commonly found in bath salts. I don't know how some of you have decided that they are in fact really bad and that this isn't just your usual anti drug propaganda. Maybe it is a dangerous drug. However I'm a bit skeptical considering this whole bath salt danger craze started with the face eater, and we all know how that turned out.



I'd be less concerned about the propaganda and more concerned about the fact that there is no research in on it yet. They're snorting and injecting random Chinese chemicals into their bloodstreams.
 
2013-01-03 04:09:23 PM
Dubstep: Not even once.
 
2013-01-03 04:11:30 PM

frepnog: the amount of bath salts that the average person might consume is pretty much about as dangerous as


Again, do you have a citation, personal experience, or what?

Because there isn't even one single chemical formula for bath salts to begin with, so I don't see why you are speaking as some authority on the matter here.

Now, maybe I'm just misreading your posts because you said "at least no more so than other drugs" which is a pretty vague thing. Is it no more dangerous than pot? No more dangerous than aspirin taken at proper doses? No more dangerous than random lithium injections followed by a speedball?

You can get some pretty damn dangerous results if we are going include the far end of the scope.

frepnog: so snort some bath salts if you want. sure, you might die, but you might die from drinking a couple redbull or by taking some Excedrin migraine with some allergy meds.


Or are we only talking about death and not a potential for brain damage and permanent results?

As for drinking a couple redbull, that makes about as much sense as this: "Playing russian roulette is as dangerous as walking down the street: each way you might die" given that the odds you damage yourself from a couple redbull is astronomically low.

frepnog: you probly won't die.


Thanks doctor.
 
2013-01-03 04:11:46 PM
That movie was AWESOME!!!  I can't wait to watch it with friends at the next GMT.
 
2013-01-03 04:14:04 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

You've been doing The One Ring, haven't you? DON'T LIE TO ME!!

For all the talk of "powers", it doesn't seem to DO anything, except turn you into an invisible meth head.
 
2013-01-03 04:15:19 PM
doctorwho1963.webs.com

Would like to just talk you down for a sec... OH MY GOD!!!
 
2013-01-03 04:15:57 PM
'Bath Salts' are any of a variety of weird(ish) stimulants. The reality is that most of them were created in a lab and tested on animals, but nobody has much idea if they're safe for humans. Things like MDPV, MDPPP and variants of those.

In the interests of harm reduction - when dealing with weird stims and synthetic cannabinoids and all the other "research chemicals", don't buy them from the gas station! Buy from someone who will sell you a marked substance, not a blend of unknowns with a trade name, read about this substance, read about what people take that doesn't get them put in hospital, get a milligram scale and measure out the dose accurately. Don't re-dose. Don't overdose. Don't be afraid to call an ambulance - even with illegal substances it's better to get a record than to get dead. People do use these things without going crazy, but really you're better off not doing it.


That all said the video was hilarious. The guy would have been valium'd out the wazoo as soon as he was taken into treatment, and would have woken up a couple of days later wondering what happened.
 
2013-01-03 04:16:38 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: dudicon: There's been very little research done on the compounds commonly found in bath salts. I don't know how some of you have decided that they are in fact really bad and that this isn't just your usual anti drug propaganda.

Maybe it is a dangerous drug. However I'm a bit skeptical considering this whole bath salt danger craze started with the face eater, and we all know how that turned out.

People know what some of the drugs in the cocktail do, and it can cause permanent damage.
I would hope professors at a university would know what they're talking about.


I dunno, that doesn't sound like drinking two red bulls, and I have it on frepnog's authority that unspecified quantities of all drugs referred as bath salts are equally dangerous to drinking two red bulls. Which to believe, which to believe.
 
2013-01-03 04:16:49 PM
24.media.tumblr.com

Hmm, problem here, Soundgarden made this before Bath Salts were even *invented*. HOW CAN THIS BE???
 
2013-01-03 04:17:25 PM
Er... except marijuana doesn't, y'know, have an apparent ability to cause people to EAT PEOPLE'S FACES?

Comparing this to Reefer Madness is about as hyperbolic as Reefer Madness was.

/but hey, YUMMY FACES, right?
//Yeah, I know, "boy who cried wolf" phenomenon may be in effect...
 
2013-01-03 04:17:38 PM
She has a nice set of destroyers.
 
2013-01-03 04:18:17 PM

frepnog: the amount of bath salts that the average person might consume is pretty much about as dangerous as taking a lortab, smoking a pack of cigarettes or drinking a redbull...



What are the recreational effects of bath salt? From what Ive gathered, it is similar to meth or coke. Another fark story had people talking about staying up nights without sleep and such. Is this accurate? What are the positive and negative effects (i.e. meth is initially euphoric but has a horrendous comedown that last for hours)?

I dont want my only source to be media hype. I want to know how this drug actually affects the user.
 
2013-01-03 04:18:28 PM
Oh, and if they actually made you hallucinate like that, people would be doing that shiat all the time!
 
2013-01-03 04:18:53 PM

Smackledorfer: The Irresponsible Captain: dudicon: There's been very little research done on the compounds commonly found in bath salts. I don't know how some of you have decided that they are in fact really bad and that this isn't just your usual anti drug propaganda.

Maybe it is a dangerous drug. However I'm a bit skeptical considering this whole bath salt danger craze started with the face eater, and we all know how that turned out.

People know what some of the drugs in the cocktail do, and it can cause permanent damage.
I would hope professors at a university would know what they're talking about.

I dunno, that doesn't sound like drinking two red bulls, and I have it on frepnog's authority that unspecified quantities of all drugs referred as bath salts are equally dangerous to drinking two red bulls. Which to believe, which to believe.


If you want objectivity, go to Erowid and check people's "trip reports". Not that I recommend in any way DOING BS. Just if you want to find out what something is without the media bullshiat, that's the place to look.
 
2013-01-03 04:19:50 PM

Isildur: Er... except marijuana doesn't, y'know, have an apparent ability to cause people to EAT PEOPLE'S FACES?

Comparing this to Reefer Madness is about as hyperbolic as Reefer Madness was.

/but hey, YUMMY FACES, right?
//Yeah, I know, "boy who cried wolf" phenomenon may be in effect...


The only thing they found in the system of the face eating guy was marijuana
 
2013-01-03 04:21:43 PM

Isildur: Er... except marijuana doesn't, y'know, have an apparent ability to cause people to EAT PEOPLE'S FACES?


Pretty sure that turned out not to be bath salts, in fact the internet thinks that Only Marijuana Found In Face-Eater Toxicology Tests, so actually maybe marijuana does do that.
 
2013-01-03 04:27:57 PM
"The problem today is that there is an almost an infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Professor and Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida.
Goldberger said that the medical examiner's office in Miami is known for doing thorough work and that he's confident they and the independent lab covered as much ground as possible. But it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

"...The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them, but it's very difficult and very expensive." Goldberger said. "There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."


this tho
 
2013-01-03 04:28:39 PM

MorePeasPlease: Has anyone here had to sit through the mandatory carrier deck mishap snuff compilation back in the day?

RIGHT NOW!  (great soundtrack)


Is that on the interwebs somewhere?
 
2013-01-03 04:30:59 PM

D_Evans45: What are the recreational effects of bath salt? From what Ive gathered, it is similar to meth or coke. Another fark story had people talking about staying up nights without sleep and such. Is this accurate? What are the positive and negative effects (i.e. meth is initially euphoric but has a horrendous comedown that last for hours)?

I dont want my only source to be media hype. I want to know how this drug actually affects the user.



If you want first hand accounts of almost anything then check out erowid. Bluelight is another good resource. WARNING: You will read drug-positive things on both of those sites, even about bath salts. Hell, even about heroin. The data is not really scientific, it's anecdotal, but people are pretty honest. You will also see reports of things gone horribly wrong. Obviously the folk that die from these things don't write reports, but some of the ones that barely survive do. If you want to read some really scary stuff read about jimson weed, datura, brugmansia and belladonna.
 
2013-01-03 04:33:06 PM
So the moral is don't do such a massive line all at once?
 
2013-01-03 04:33:19 PM
inhaled or up the rectum?

well there goes my saturday night sudsy farts
 
2013-01-03 04:39:21 PM

freewill: Smeggy Smurf: Goddamnit sailors. You're drunks sodomites, not stoners. Quit farking around with tradition.


Who hasn't gotten a little buttsex while drunk?
 
2013-01-03 04:41:32 PM

Gothnet: erowid trip reports



Ah you shouldnt have reminded me, getting into some of the good erowid stories is like falling down the rabbit hole. My semi-productivity is about to take another die.

/Dont do drugs much anymore, but might touch something fancy like 2cb or mescaline if it showed its face
 
2013-01-03 04:43:27 PM
2500 years ago theGreeks of the Cult of Dionysis used to eat stramonium, and run through the streets of Athens devouring live dogs and cats.

\\\ The more things change. . . . .
 
2013-01-03 04:43:47 PM
Who would snort a huge line of something like bath salts, and then go meet up with their straight girlfriend for a round of bowling? That guy has much deeper issues than the drugs he chooses. Also, the quantity that came in that package would have set him back about $1000. No one buys cannisters full of bath salts.

I have the same opinion about bath salts as I do meth - it's an ugly drug that you're stupid to be using - but anti-drug PSA's were never known to be fact-based or subtle.
 
2013-01-03 04:51:18 PM
I feel like the movie would've been more effective if the music continued over the boring psychiatrist.

Also, the military tests people for smoking weed, and they'll dishonorably discharge you if you test positive. The military is merely reaping what they have sown.
 
2013-01-03 04:51:24 PM
uh... the doctor guy talking about it should have had some coffee before laying it down.

this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-03 04:52:29 PM
"Some people describe people spying on them...trying to kill them and their families."

Sounds like the US Armed Forces.
 
2013-01-03 04:54:16 PM
Fark it, dude.  Let's go bowling.
 
2013-01-03 04:59:46 PM
Your first problem with bath salts is, you have no way of knowing what the ingredients are. Several different compounds are sold under this name.

Second, you have no way of knowing the purity, so it is impossible to calculate a safe dose.

Third, you don't know what impurities you are dealing with, or how those impurities may effect you.

Fourth, the long term effects of the drug have not been studied, and are not known. So far as I know, no responsible research is even underway.

That means, if you are f'ing with bath salts, you are taking more of a risk than you should take, or need to take, for the pleasure in question. And if you screw up, the medics might or might not know what to do about it.

Government propaganda is full of lies and unproven assumptions, but the bottom line truth is: bath salts are not advisable.

Smoke weed and drink beer, the results are known.
 
2013-01-03 05:03:42 PM

Sgt Otter: GBB: Can't watch videos at work. Does it start with "Hi. I'm Troy McClure. You might remember me from..."

A lot of military training videos start with "Hi, I'm Carl Weathers, you might remember me from..."

/Seriously
//"Hi Devil Dogs, Carl Weathers here..."


OMFG. Did he serve? If not, how could anyone take this shiat seriously?

/Maybe acting in Predator counts?
 
2013-01-03 05:06:13 PM

WTP 2: inhaled or up the rectum?

well there goes my saturday night sudsy farts



Have you been butt-chugging Irish Spring again?
 
2013-01-03 05:19:49 PM
If I was in a medical facility where people are wearing camouflage for no good reason, I'd freak out, too.
 
2013-01-03 05:20:20 PM
140bpm ≠ a genre
 
2013-01-03 05:25:45 PM
I really wanted to see him start to eat her face from a first person POV..
 
2013-01-03 06:53:10 PM
images.marketworks.com
 
2013-01-03 06:57:03 PM
Done in one.
 
2013-01-03 07:04:49 PM
Gyrfalcon,
darth_badger: Calgon ... take me away!
spacemutiny3.jpg


Your knowledge of ancient dentistry is very poor.
 
2013-01-03 07:11:43 PM

D_Evans45: I couldnt watch more than 2 minutes, but 1:08-1:12 are golden.


/She has a spectacular pair
//Of eyes


Was wondering when someone would mention that.
 
2013-01-03 07:24:27 PM
Awesomely hilarious. Nothing like doing bath salts at all. Video did make me want to briefly eat LSD again though.

Gothnet: Isildur: Er... except marijuana doesn't, y'know, have an apparent ability to cause people to EAT PEOPLE'S FACES?

Pretty sure that turned out not to be bath salts, in fact the internet thinks that Only Marijuana Found In Face-Eater Toxicology Tests, so actually maybe marijuana does do that.


Or it could be that at the time there was no way to detect bath salts with standard drug tests, or you just conveniently ignored that bit of news.
/or I foolishly took the bait, in which case, well played.
 
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