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(Florida Today)   Man sticks a $1.29 Honey Bun down his pants which in turn cost him $1,000.00 to bail out of jail. No word on the condition of the sticky Honey Bun   (floridatoday.com) divider line 85
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2013-01-03 01:15:03 PM  
Mugshot of the accused:

fc04.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-03 02:08:17 PM  
Stickier.
 
2013-01-03 02:09:11 PM  
He was being held on $1,001.29 bond

Judge be trollin'.
 
2013-01-03 02:09:36 PM  
I'm not saying the boy is a lazy thief. But if you can't gather up enough empty cans for a honey bun, if you want one, then you are one lazy thief, and probably deserve what ever as whooping you get from a clerk. If he stuffs your broken ass in a dumpster, unconscious just before the truck arrives, tuff luck, you lazy thief.
 
2013-01-03 02:10:30 PM  
They said he was riding a black bicycle, THATS RACIST....THATS BICYCLE PROFILING!!

/Q's the ACLU, Sharpton, and all the other race baiting trolls out there to come partake of the limelight goodness.
 
2013-01-03 02:11:35 PM  
Don't ask what he did with the coconuts

arlenestage.homestead.com
 
2013-01-03 02:11:47 PM  
imagemacros.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-03 02:12:31 PM  
Too bad he didn't stick a $2 billion toxic CDO down his pants.  He would have gotten a bonus.
 
2013-01-03 02:13:48 PM  

Kibbler: Too bad he didn't stick a $2 billion toxic CDO down his pants.  He would have gotten a bonus.


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-03 02:17:15 PM  
I don't know why but this always bugged me. You don't just pay your bail to a court like a fee.Its just money they hold to make sure you come back for trial. you get that money back. also the amount of bail isn't in direct proportion to the severity of your crime. its based on how big a flight risk you are.
 
2013-01-03 02:17:58 PM  
The bun was unfrosted until after it went into his pants.

CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT
 
2013-01-03 02:18:00 PM  
FTFA: "The Honey Bun was not found."

*snirk*
 
2013-01-03 02:18:14 PM  

tricycleracer: He was being held on $1,001.29 bond

Judge be trollin'.



Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
 
2013-01-03 02:22:41 PM  

Amos Quito: tricycleracer: He was being held on $1,001.29 bond

Judge be trollin'.


Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Yep. Doesn't say anything about the judge getting some lulz.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:11 PM  
I'd say that bun was pretty well f*cked.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-03 02:29:02 PM  
So the man made a Honey Boo-Boo?
 
2013-01-03 02:29:50 PM  
So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.
 
2013-01-03 02:32:53 PM  
Honey Buns are huge in prison -- http://thankyoufornotlaughing.com/2012/11/21/here-is-why-the-national- currency-might-soon-be-honey-buns-snack-cakes/
 
2013-01-03 02:32:54 PM  

vudukungfu: I'm not saying the boy is a lazy thief. But if you can't gather up enough empty cans for a honey bun, if you want one, then you are one lazy thief, and probably deserve what ever as whooping you get from a clerk. If he stuffs your broken ass in a dumpster, unconscious just before the truck arrives, tuff luck, you lazy thief.


Break Random Law X and you deserve whatever comes your way regardless of how it effects society as a whole.

That's the kind of attitude that'll turn this country around.
 
2013-01-03 02:33:24 PM  
I signed a complaint once for a 15 cent can of generic lime soda. I kid you not. Where I work has zero tolerance for theft.
 
2013-01-03 02:35:02 PM  

TNel: So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.


He was NERGO.
 
2013-01-03 02:37:02 PM  

TNel: So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.

Gosh, those are some very good questions! Your answers are; yes, no small claims is a civil matter this is criminal, and yes we do. Glad to be of help, come again soon.
 
2013-01-03 02:37:20 PM  
I work for a large south Florida police department. There is no way in hell we would call out K-9 and set up a perimeter for a $1.29 honey bun.

And unless he ran from an officer, we wouldn't charge resisting w/o violence either.
 
2013-01-03 02:39:08 PM  

Masta Kronix: Break Random Law X and you deserve whatever comes your way regardless of how it effects society as a whole.

That's the kind of attitude that'll turn this country around.


Don't let crooks and thieves set up shop in your neighborhood, or you only have yourself to blame when they are running the show.
Run them out, scare them out, fark, execute them. They'll stay away.
 
2013-01-03 02:39:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Amos Quito: tricycleracer: He was being held on $1,001.29 bond

Judge be trollin'.


Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Yep. Doesn't say anything about the judge getting some lulz.



Yeah. He should have added sales tax.

That would be even funnier.
 
2013-01-03 02:39:59 PM  

Dog Man: I work for a large south Florida police department. There is no way in hell we would call out K-9 and set up a perimeter for a $1.29 honey bun.

And unless he ran from an officer, we wouldn't charge resisting w/o violence either.


Pussy

Go back to eating your doughnuts.
 
2013-01-03 02:40:51 PM  

TOWG: TNel: So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.
Gosh, those are some very good questions! Your answers are; yes, no small claims is a civil matter this is criminal, and yes we do. Glad to be of help, come again soon.


Hey TOWG I'd be really interested in hearing the academic research and empirical data used to determine Petty Theft is indeed "worth" the courts time and not actually a drain on resources and court time.

Please qualify and quantify that conclusion.
 
2013-01-03 02:41:57 PM  

ChipNASA: TNel: So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.

He was NERGO.



Is that like a ne'er-go-well?
 
2013-01-03 02:43:52 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Break Random Law X and you deserve whatever comes your way regardless of how it effects society as a whole.

That's the kind of attitude that'll turn this country around.

Don't let crooks and thieves set up shop in your neighborhood, or you only have yourself to blame when they are running the show.
Run them out, scare them out, fark, execute them. They'll stay away.


I know. Its just like Grand Theft Auto - San Andreas. All you have to do is kill enough people to turn the purple territory green. Amirite?

/We got an ITG in the hizzy.
 
2013-01-03 02:44:35 PM  

ChipNASA: Dog Man: I work for a large south Florida police department. There is no way in hell we would call out K-9 and set up a perimeter for a $1.29 honey bun.

And unless he ran from an officer, we wouldn't charge resisting w/o violence either.

Pussy

Go back to eating your doughnuts.


Are you saying that we should tie up 4-6 officers, a sergeant, and a k-9 officer for a honey bun?

Also, resisting w/o violence requires and attempt to get away or not be handcuffed. Running from the clerk won't cut it.

Did I just trigger this thread's resident cop hater? I feel so honored.

/We don't eat donuts, we eat pastelitos.
 
2013-01-03 02:45:43 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Break Random Law X and you deserve whatever comes your way regardless of how it effects society as a whole.

That's the kind of attitude that'll turn this country around.

Don't let crooks and thieves set up shop in your neighborhood, or you only have yourself to blame when they are running the show.
Run them out, scare them out, fark, execute them. They'll stay away.


Or you know help them become self-sufficient so they don't have to steal anymore through education and therapy.

That would be the humane thing to do if you understood the Socio-Economic impact poverty can have on communities and individuals.

People aren't born "thieves" they are created through desperation, lack of education and poverty.

Maybe if you discarded your privilege for a few minutes, read up on the subject, you'd be a little more informed and not have such a horrible and inhumane opinion of your fellow human beings.
 
2013-01-03 02:48:50 PM  

Matthew Keene: I signed a complaint once for a 15 cent can of generic lime soda. I kid you not. Where I work has zero tolerance for theft.


zero tolarance = zero intelligence.

Ya call the cops because the cubical bully took yer pop? Ya ever heard of exlax? Tell yer boss first, If'n it's a policy, he could be fired. No cops required.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:32 PM  

Masta Kronix: People aren't born "thieves" they are created through desperation, lack of education and poverty.

Maybe if you discarded your privilege for a few minutes, read up on the subject, you'd be a little more informed and not have such a horrible and inhumane opinion of your fellow human being


wow
you sound like Ed Asner in A Change of Habit.

As a guy who spent time homeless, and stayed fed and clothed and didn't commit a crime to get ahead, I have discarded my privilege, for more than a few minutes, too.
As far as reading psychology books, I'll leave that up to the bleeding heart libs out there.
They are the ones putting up all the methadone clinics, and paving the way to the heroin dealers here in Vermont.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:32 PM  

Mikeyworld: Ya call the cops because the cubical bully took yer pop? Ya ever heard of exlax? Tell yer boss first, If'n it's a policy, he could be fired. No cops required.


Retail establishment - shoplifter -criminal complaint. Should have been clear on that. I don't make da rulez.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:35 PM  

Amos Quito: ChipNASA: TNel: So this kid is going to get a police record for a $1.29 item? Doesn't that just go to small claims? Do we really need to waste court time for petty theft? I know everyone would do it if there wasn't a fine but jesus.

He was NERGO.


Is that like a ne'er-go-well?


only by assumption...

It'd be nice to call a spade a spade. Or, in my Norwegian case, a swede. Why did Olaf cross the road? He doesn't know, either
 
2013-01-03 02:57:38 PM  
Oh.....BUN.

Honey BUN.

That's different. At first I thought he stuck a honey.....er.....

Nevermind.
 
2013-01-03 02:58:32 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: People aren't born "thieves" they are created through desperation, lack of education and poverty.

Maybe if you discarded your privilege for a few minutes, read up on the subject, you'd be a little more informed and not have such a horrible and inhumane opinion of your fellow human being

wow
you sound like Ed Asner in A Change of Habit.

As a guy who spent time homeless, and stayed fed and clothed and didn't commit a crime to get ahead, I have discarded my privilege, for more than a few minutes, too.
As far as reading psychology books, I'll leave that up to the bleeding heart libs out there.
They are the ones putting up all the methadone clinics, and paving the way to the heroin dealers here in Vermont.


You just admitted you don't read up on Psychology and therefore know nothing about what your discussing.

Your claiming to know more about a subject you just freely admitted you know nothing about.

Here start with this.

http://www.jrf.org.uk/system/files/2301-child-poverty-costs.pdf

shiats real and just because you don't "believe" it doesn't make it any less factual or change the fact that your opinion of your fellow human beings is inhumane and cruel.

It just means your blinding yourself to information in order to keep your idea of how the world works intact.
 
2013-01-03 02:59:50 PM  
Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...
 
2013-01-03 03:05:32 PM  
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Masta Kronix: You just admitted you don't read up on Psychology and therefore know nothing about what your discussing.


Pretty bold statement for a one eyed fat man.
 
2013-01-03 03:08:19 PM  
When I worked midnights at a Speedway station back in college, there was this old man who would come in and steal Little Debbie cupcakes around four AM every day. He'd stick two or three of them in his pocket, and just leave.

I knew he was doing it. And, you know what I did about it???

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
 
2013-01-03 03:08:21 PM  

vudukungfu: . Masta Kronix: You just admitted you don't read up on Psychology and therefore know nothing about what your discussing.

Pretty bold statement for a one eyed fat man.


Came straight from your post buddy.

As far as reading psychology books, I'll leave that up to the bleeding heart libs out there.


With that one statement you dismissed the whole field of Psychology and what if offers to better society in regards to rehabilitating "criminals" as nothing more than a "Bleeding Heart Fantasy of Liberals" while confirming you haven't bothered reading anything about the subject.

Your words not mine.
 
2013-01-03 03:09:34 PM  

Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.


What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.
 
2013-01-03 03:15:48 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.

What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.


I would have hoped considering how passionate you are about the subject you would have time to educate yourself concerning how to best ensure you can keep "junkies" out of your neighborhood instead of creating worse and more dangerous "junkies"

You could probably start by stop defining a person by only one aspect of their life. Just because somebody does drugs doesn't mean their just a "junkie" and nothing more.

They are a human being who happen to be addicted to drugs. They deserve your sympathy and help, not your ire and aggression.

People don't become addicts because their happy and well adjusted and their life certainly doesn't become all rainbows and lollipops once they become an addict.

You want addicts out of your neighborhood, correct the underlying problems that cause a human being to resort to drugs in order to cope and you'll see less "junkies".
 
2013-01-03 03:16:21 PM  

Dog Man: ChipNASA: Dog Man: I work for a large south Florida police department. There is no way in hell we would call out K-9 and set up a perimeter for a $1.29 honey bun.

And unless he ran from an officer, we wouldn't charge resisting w/o violence either.

Pussy

Go back to eating your doughnuts.

Are you saying that we should tie up 4-6 officers, a sergeant, and a k-9 officer for a honey bun?

Also, resisting w/o violence requires and attempt to get away or not be handcuffed. Running from the clerk won't cut it.

Did I just trigger this thread's resident cop hater? I feel so honored.

/We don't eat donuts, we eat pastelitos.


You're not a real police officer. You typed that with your pinky extended, didn't you?

Oh you want that I get the barista to warm up your latte' for you and here's a linen napkin for your pastelito.

/you're a regular Don Johnson now aren't you?
 
2013-01-03 03:18:18 PM  
Did I just trigger this thread's resident cop hater? I feel so honored.

/We don't eat donuts, we eat pastelitos.

You're not a real police officer. You typed that with your pinky extended, didn't you?

Oh you want that I get the barista to warm up your latte' for you and here's a linen napkin for your pastelito.

/you're a regular Don Johnson now aren't you?


What is really funny (sarcasm meter off) is that I typed this before I looked at your profile and saw you were from Miami. I mean where the hell *ELSE* in the US are you going to get a farking pastelito????
{:-D
 
2013-01-03 03:18:27 PM  

durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...


Some places don't allow it. Depends on the store. Some retail establishments will fire the manager for "allowing theft" if they know its happening. Bizarre but true; they'd rather prosecute for all petty crime than let a few honey buns walk out the door.
 
2013-01-03 03:18:59 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.

What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.


The correct phrase is "Ain't nobody got time for that". You're a white boy. You need to get up to speed on your Tosh.0 as soon as you pay your cable bill.
 
2013-01-03 03:19:31 PM  
Truth was, it was orginally just a Danish he stuffed down his pants.

Gross...
 
2013-01-03 03:22:03 PM  

Dimensio: So the man made a Honey Boo-Boo?


Came for the Honey-Boo Bun pun.Thank you.
 
2013-01-03 03:22:34 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.

What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.

The correct phrase is "Ain't nobody got time for that". You're a white boy. You need to get up to speed on your Tosh.0 as soon as you pay your cable bill.


OH SNAP
p.twimg.com
 
2013-01-03 03:24:31 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.

What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.


That's a lot of barb and bluster against education and rational thought for a guy who is a walking, talking eigenvector calculator, with the ability to do integral calculus in your head, write down correct answers and flip an easy over egg, while doing it, and can hold your own amongst MIT grads while "conversing about anything, from polymer science resonance, to recent demarcation of third world nations."

How tall are you?
 
2013-01-03 03:25:33 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Your words not mine.

What ever.
Just keep your junkies out of my neighborhood.
I ain't got time for that.

The correct phrase is "Ain't nobody got time for that". You're a white boy. You need to get up to speed on your Tosh.0 as soon as you pay your cable bill.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-03 03:31:46 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You're a white boy.


Ah. No .
I'm not.
 
2013-01-03 03:35:38 PM  

vudukungfu: DROxINxTHExWIND: You're a white boy.

Ah. No .
I'm not.


Well your comments resemble that of almost every stereotypical white conservative male I've met in my life.

And believe me, living in New Orleans, I've come across plenty stereotypical white conservative males and had to listen to them go on and on almost exactly word for word like you just did.

Education? Who needs it.

Identifying the actual cause of the problem? Who needs it.

Does my solution actually make sense and actually help the problem? Who cares.

Beat, kill, blame, aggression, anger, emotion, Just World Theory etc? Hell yeah where do I sign up!
 
2013-01-03 03:37:01 PM  

Gyrfalcon: durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...

Some places don't allow it. Depends on the store. Some retail establishments will fire the manager for "allowing theft" if they know its happening. Bizarre but true; they'd rather prosecute for all petty crime than let a few honey buns walk out the door.


Its actually not bizzare at all. Theft decreases profits. Profits are needed to keep businesses running. Anything that threatens profts must be eliminated. I do not blame the clerk for contacting the police after noticing the theft. That is his/her job. You aren't paid to be the arbitor on what is and is not stealable (for lack of a better word). Especially when your ass didn't but any of the merchandise. The problem, as I see it, is that many people view corporations as entities with unlimited cash on hand, who can absorb any number of losses and still remain profitable. There are approximately 8200 7-Eleven stores in the US. If each one had someone take just two honey buns per week for a year the company would lose $1,100,112.00. Thats just honey bun theft. Now add that to the other items stolen on a yearly basis by shoplifters and add to it all of the employee theft. It all adds up. My first job was at a Peoples Drug (now CVS) that closed, not because of shoplifters, but because of EMPLOYEE theft. Yes, I participated in it. I realized how far I had gone one time when I realized that I had taken a fire log from the store and we didn't have a fireplace.

That said, the money I'm more concerned about is the tax payer funds that went towards financing Operation Hostess Down. Police dogs? Additional officers? Idling cars? All resources that could have been allocated elsewhere. The stupidity was in the effort to make the arrest, not in contacting authorities to report a thief.
 
2013-01-03 03:38:07 PM  

vudukungfu: . Masta Kronix: You just admitted you don't read up on Psychology and therefore know nothing about what your discussing.

Pretty bold statement for a one eyed fat man.


Now I'm confused.How do you know he's a one eyed fat man?
It's not in his profile.Does it mean he's an overweight penis?
Inside jokes are difficult for someone on the outside.
 
2013-01-03 03:42:07 PM  
static.lulu.com

Read it.

It'll probably help you better understand your own opinions and why you act and "believe" what you do instead of opening yourself up to new information and understandings of how the world and human beings work.

Here's a link to a free online copy of the book.

The Authoritarians
 
2013-01-03 03:43:53 PM  

sweet-daddy-2: vudukungfu: . Masta Kronix: You just admitted you don't read up on Psychology and therefore know nothing about what your discussing.

Pretty bold statement for a one eyed fat man.

Now I'm confused.How do you know he's a one eyed fat man?
It's not in his profile.Does it mean he's an overweight penis?
Inside jokes are difficult for someone on the outside.


I'm just as lost as you are and I'm the one eyed fat man :lol:
 
2013-01-03 03:46:02 PM  

Masta Kronix: Well your comments resemble that of almost every stereotypical white conservative male I've met in my life.


Nice, They must be rubbing off on me.
Oh, looks at my palms. !!
I'm turning "white"

I guess that makes me racist.
 
2013-01-03 03:47:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...

Some places don't allow it. Depends on the store. Some retail establishments will fire the manager for "allowing theft" if they know its happening. Bizarre but true; they'd rather prosecute for all petty crime than let a few honey buns walk out the door.



That's a slippery slope.

/A sticky, sweet, slippery honey-bun slope
 
2013-01-03 03:49:15 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I realized how far I had gone one time when I realized that I had taken a fire log from the store and we didn't have a fireplace.


OK Drox, you don't often make me laugh but when you do..............

(^O^)
 
2013-01-03 03:53:15 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Gyrfalcon: durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...

Some places don't allow it. Depends on the store. Some retail establishments will fire the manager for "allowing theft" if they know its happening. Bizarre but true; they'd rather prosecute for all petty crime than let a few honey buns walk out the door.

That said, the money I'm more concerned about is the tax payer funds that went towards financing Operation Hostess Down. Police dogs? Additional officers? Idling cars? All resources that could have been allocated elsewhere. The stupidity was in the effort to make the arrest, not in contacting authorities to report a thief.


Wouldn't that be more of a police problem? The waste of resources, as you proposed, should addressed as a procedure error. The police need to stop using resources in the pursuit of crime that could be saved for other purposes. Crime is crime, and when asked, must be enforced. otherwise, the clerk is forced to use his own force to stop it. And Law Enforcement don' like that.

And, yes, the prep need to be booked. You let him go, and word gets out, you won't have inventory to sell. They'd be all, "well, HE got some" on ya.
 
2013-01-03 03:55:24 PM  

vudukungfu: Masta Kronix: Well your comments resemble that of almost every stereotypical white conservative male I've met in my life.

Nice, They must be rubbing off on me.
Oh, looks at my palms. !!
I'm turning "white"

I guess that makes me racist.


Not at all, just makes you as uneducated and unwilling to educate yourself as a stereotypical white conservative male concerning how best to enact social change for the better in our society.
 
2013-01-03 03:58:10 PM  
I submitted this yesterday with a Les Mis reference.

Uncultured trolls.


\i keed, i keed
 
2013-01-03 03:58:56 PM  

Mikeyworld: DROxINxTHExWIND: Gyrfalcon: durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...

Some places don't allow it. Depends on the store. Some retail establishments will fire the manager for "allowing theft" if they know its happening. Bizarre but true; they'd rather prosecute for all petty crime than let a few honey buns walk out the door.

That said, the money I'm more concerned about is the tax payer funds that went towards financing Operation Hostess Down. Police dogs? Additional officers? Idling cars? All resources that could have been allocated elsewhere. The stupidity was in the effort to make the arrest, not in contacting authorities to report a thief.

Wouldn't that be more of a police problem? The waste of resources, as you proposed, should addressed as a procedure error. The police need to stop using resources in the pursuit of crime that could be saved for other purposes. Crime is crime, and when asked, must be enforced. otherwise, the clerk is forced to use his own force to stop it. And Law Enforcement don' like that.

And, yes, the prep need to be booked. You let him go, and word gets out, you won't have inventory to sell. They'd be all, "well, HE got some" on ya.


I always enjoy the crowd who shouts "But if it wasn't illegal, everyone would be doing it!!"

Please cite where it's been shown that without something being a "crime", everyone will start doing it.

I'm pretty sure "Murder" being illegal isn't what stops me from committing murder just as "stealing" being illegal isn't what keeps me from stealing.

It probably has something to do with the fact that I have no reason or will to steal because I am able to take care of all my basic needs on my own and I have no reason to want to murder anyone at this point in time.
 
2013-01-03 04:00:20 PM  
He got them jellyroll blues. Whoa Whoa WHOOOOOOAAAAAA Whoa.
 
2013-01-03 04:02:47 PM  
When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?
 
2013-01-03 04:06:51 PM  

Dog Man: I work for a large south Florida police department. There is no way in hell we would call out K-9 and set up a perimeter for a $1.29 honey bun.

And unless he ran from an officer, we wouldn't charge resisting w/o violence either.


We're talking about Palm Bay. The guys that shoot elephants at fairs.

I'm not one to hop on the cop hate train but Palm Bay cops are dicks
 
2013-01-03 04:07:25 PM  

topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?


While your anecdotal story may seem to justify your "belief" that if there aren't consequences for actions, people will never learn to change their actions is misguided.

You didn't have any consequences other than paying for the candy you realized you didn't pay for. You seemed to learn just fine without the need of a court system and/or bail money to get you out of jail.

So why can't others learn without consequences/retribution for their actions and you can?
 
2013-01-03 04:10:04 PM  

topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?


Also please then explain to me why I and many other people I know wouldn't go on a stealing spree if stealing was no longer a punishable offense that came with barbaric and archaic consequences?
 
2013-01-03 04:11:49 PM  

Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

While your anecdotal story may seem to justify your "belief" that if there aren't consequences for actions, people will never learn to change their actions is misguided.

You didn't have any consequences other than paying for the candy you realized you didn't pay for. You seemed to learn just fine without the need of a court system and/or bail money to get you out of jail.

So why can't others learn without consequences/retribution for their actions and you can?


I was like eight years old, not eighteen like the guy in the article. Do you think there's no difference?
 
2013-01-03 04:13:19 PM  
The honey bun was not found. I hope he ate it after all that.
He shoulda just stopped and talked it out with the clerk, given the damn bun back. Anyway. My white ass would be off scott free and don't think it would be any different.

Where does it end? Well dead in the street with a gun in your hand like Elvis said. Orrrr maybe a high level CEO, or maybe a congressman. Since they sure take a lot of Honey buns. Oh wait he's black.

/never stole anything from a store
//criminal copyright infringement on the other-hand
 
2013-01-03 04:13:50 PM  

Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

Also please then explain to me why I and many other people I know wouldn't go on a stealing spree if stealing was no longer a punishable offense that came with barbaric and archaic consequences?


Are you people really this insane?

Do you think you should be able to just run into a store and steal a small amount of stuff with no penalty?

The guy got $1000 bail. You realize he doesn't have to actually pay $1000, right? Do you know how bail works? His punishment fits the crime for an adult.
 
2013-01-03 04:19:33 PM  

topcon: Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

While your anecdotal story may seem to justify your "belief" that if there aren't consequences for actions, people will never learn to change their actions is misguided.

You didn't have any consequences other than paying for the candy you realized you didn't pay for. You seemed to learn just fine without the need of a court system and/or bail money to get you out of jail.

So why can't others learn without consequences/retribution for their actions and you can?

I was like eight years old, not eighteen like the guy in the article. Do you think there's no difference?


Age is nothing more than a number representative of how long you've been on this planet.

It is no way indicative of how much you've learned and your ability to make healthy decisions for your life.

Answer the question, if you can learn from your mistakes or actions without being "punished" why can't others?

Or if you prefer, What does age have to do with one's ability to learn from their decisions with or without consequences attached to said decisions?
 
2013-01-03 04:19:56 PM  

Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

Also please then explain to me why I and many other people I know wouldn't go on a stealing spree if stealing was no longer a punishable offense that came with barbaric and archaic consequences?


False logic, cletus. Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others wouldn't.

Yeah, just imagine this:

The centuries old laws against shoplifting minor items, let's say under, oh, hell, $10, is done away with. This story hits the news, internet, and everyone is talking about it. You don't think a bunch of people with low scruples to begin with aren't going to try lifting a bunch of shiat if they know nothing is going to happen to them? Is anyone seriously this dumb? You'd have people walking from store to store stealing everything they could.

There's a reason why laws exist.
 
2013-01-03 04:21:43 PM  

Masta Kronix: topcon: Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

While your anecdotal story may seem to justify your "belief" that if there aren't consequences for actions, people will never learn to change their actions is misguided.

You didn't have any consequences other than paying for the candy you realized you didn't pay for. You seemed to learn just fine without the need of a court system and/or bail money to get you out of jail.

So why can't others learn without consequences/retribution for their actions and you can?

I was like eight years old, not eighteen like the guy in the article. Do you think there's no difference?

Age is nothing more than a number representative of how long you've been on this planet.

It is no way indicative of how much you've learned and your ability to make healthy decisions for your life.

Answer the question, if you can learn from your mistakes or actions without being "punished" why can't others?

Or if you prefer, What does age have to do with one's ability to learn from their decisions with or without consequences attached to said decision ...


Oh, good grief. I'm not going to argue this with someone named "Masta Kronix" who is defending adults who shoplift.

It's illegal, and it's not going to stop being illegal, ever. Laws against shoplifting have existed for centuries.
 
2013-01-03 04:25:25 PM  

gund goat: I don't know why but this always bugged me. You don't just pay your bail to a court like a fee.Its just money they hold to make sure you come back for trial. you get that money back. also the amount of bail isn't in direct proportion to the severity of your crime. its based on how big a flight risk you are.


Yeah, but most people have difficulty raising the money for bail. Which means visiting a bondsman. Which means he's likely out at least $100.

And severity does enter into the calculation. Getting charged with murder won't get you $1000 bail. Nor will traffic citations.
 
2013-01-03 04:26:35 PM  

topcon: Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

Also please then explain to me why I and many other people I know wouldn't go on a stealing spree if stealing was no longer a punishable offense that came with barbaric and archaic consequences?

Are you people really this insane?

Do you think you should be able to just run into a store and steal a small amount of stuff with no penalty?

The guy got $1000 bail. You realize he doesn't have to actually pay $1000, right? Do you know how bail works? His punishment fits the crime for an adult.


It does?

So what if he can't afford bail and instead stays in prison during his whole trial and looses his job all over the theft of a $1.29 Honey Bun.

Ohh well he got what he deserved?

So society now has one less employed and employable citizen due to having a criminal record and now he will be more likely to re-offend.

That's great, go society.

Are you really this insane that you don't understand how the human condition works and that people aren't "criminals" but rather human beings who made a choice that goes against a man-made law and therefore can be taught or helped without having to punish or enact barbaric consequences for said actions?

Are you so insane that you don't realize that simply "punishing" the "criminal" isn't going to make them any less likely to re-commit crimes, that in all actuality, it's been proven time and time again to actually make said "criminal" more angry and more likely to re-commit.

Read up on the subject before you try and act like we're the crazy ones.

I'm not crazy, you're just uneducated towards the subject.
 
2013-01-03 04:30:49 PM  

topcon: Masta Kronix: topcon: Masta Kronix: topcon: When I was like 8 years old, I bought 10 Fireball candies (you know, the individually wrapped cinnamon hot ones) from one of those cannisters at a convenience store. They were like 5 cents a piece or something. I paid for 10...I actually took literally a handful more than that and just called it ten. Maybe like 13 of them.

I went outside to my parent's car, and I counted (and announced) that I had 13 of them or whatever it was. My dad knew he gave me money to buy 10 of them. So, you know where this story is going. He made me go back inside and pay for the other 3.

Parenting, how does it work?

Why let anyone slide with stealing ANYTHING? You do that and pretty soon everyone is stealing every little item there is. There's a reason why the law exists at varying penalties depending on how much / what you're stealing. Where does it end? You're allowed to steal something at $5, $10 without being prosecuted for it?

While your anecdotal story may seem to justify your "belief" that if there aren't consequences for actions, people will never learn to change their actions is misguided.

You didn't have any consequences other than paying for the candy you realized you didn't pay for. You seemed to learn just fine without the need of a court system and/or bail money to get you out of jail.

So why can't others learn without consequences/retribution for their actions and you can?

I was like eight years old, not eighteen like the guy in the article. Do you think there's no difference?

Age is nothing more than a number representative of how long you've been on this planet.

It is no way indicative of how much you've learned and your ability to make healthy decisions for your life.

Answer the question, if you can learn from your mistakes or actions without being "punished" why can't others?

Or if you prefer, What does age have to do with one's ability to learn from their decisions with or without consequences attached to ...


I'm not saying make theft legal.

I'm saying prosecuting Petty Theft to the degree to which we do and then the resulting consequences hurts our society more than it helps.

I'm also saying whether an action has horrible consequences or no consequences usually has no effect on an individuals decision to take certain said actions.

This man knew if he stole the Honey Bun and got caught he'd end up in jail and with a criminal record thus ruining any hope of him getting any decent job most probably. Didn't seem to stop him did it.

It's almost as if I've been saying the entire time that people behave for a reason and if you want them to stop behaving a certain way, punishing them doesn't work, finding out the reasons and working from there does.

Reading comprehensions, seriously, reading comprehension.
 
2013-01-03 04:35:14 PM  
Oh, good grief. I'm not going to argue this with someone named "Masta Kronix" who is defending adults who shoplift.


If you're this sensitive about discussing the subject then perhaps you shouldn't be discussing it online.

What does my name have anything to do with the quality or legitimacy of what I'm posting?

Argue the content, not the name of my account.
 
2013-01-03 04:49:07 PM  

Masta Kronix: Mikeyworld: DROxINxTHExWIND: Gyrfalcon: durbnpoisn: Really... If I was the manager at 7-11, I would have just let him go. For $1.29?! C'mon, man...

And, yes, the prep need to be booked. You let him go, and word gets out, you won't have inventory to sell. They'd be all, "well, HE got some" on ya.

I always enjoy the crowd who shouts "But if it wasn't illegal, everyone would be doing it!!"

Please cite where it's been shown that without something being a "crime", everyone will start doing it.

I'm pretty sure "Murder" being illegal isn't what stops me from committing murder just as "stealing" being illegal isn't what keeps me from stealing.

It probably has something to do with the fact that I have no reason or will to steal because I am able to take care of all my basic needs on my own and I have no reason to want to murder anyone at this point in time.


I tell what...You leave your doors unlocked and spread the word that you ain't gonna do nothing to anybody...in fact, just tell your neighbor; that'll be enuf. Let's see how much you'll own in a month. Go ahead, I'll wait. I'm not worried about my neighbors, they're all good folks. it's your neighbors I have to worry about, just as it's my neighbors that'll be over as soon as you leave it unguarded. k?

It's not about needing anything. It's about something available that, if'n I don't grab it; Somebody else will. You don't take the 'free sample', if offered? And if there was no consequence to killing someone, you wouldn't take care of those pain-in-the-asses around town? ...like, before he got you?
 
2013-01-03 05:06:22 PM  

Dimensio: So the man made a Honey Boo-Boo?


I swear before all that is good and holy that I will seek vengeance for that pun.

I WILL NOT REST.
 
2013-01-03 05:14:12 PM  

Masta Kronix: Oh, good grief. I'm not going to argue this with someone named "Masta Kronix" who is defending adults who shoplift.

If you're this sensitive about discussing the subject then perhaps you shouldn't be discussing it online.

What does my name have anything to do with the quality or legitimacy of what I'm posting?

Argue the content, not the name of my account.


Alright, you're right, you're right. My bad on that point.

In an isolated incident your scenario might be fine, but the problem is there are hundreds of thousands of people out there who shoplift little nickel and dime stuff on a regular basis. I'm quite sure many of them ARE simply told to leave the premises if they're caught. But stores can't just always say "Aw, shucks, I hope you've learned your lesson" and let everyone run free, even stealing something that cost $1.29. Some of these people have probably been caught and told to leave dozens of times. The only "fair" way to deal with this is to inflict some kind of punishment for it.
 
2013-01-03 07:06:40 PM  

topcon: The only "fair" way to deal with this is to inflict some kind of punishment for it.


no.
I've been reading psychology now and apparently you should hug them and send them to summer camp and teach them to sing Kumbaya around a campfire and then butterflies and rainbows will appear and they will live a life of community service and help the underprivileged and buy my little pony toys for orphans. SO tax us more to send this neglected child to and educational center where he can learn how to have an open heart and love his neighbors and respect property and gain a work ethic.
 
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