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2013-01-03 06:49:33 PM  
Articles like this are useful as reminders of what the world is like outside of the SF Bay Area and other select metropoli.
 
2013-01-03 06:50:25 PM  
How heartwarming (yawn). This story passes for 'incredible'?
 
2013-01-03 07:01:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: AirForceVet: Cool.

Doubt it would have happened in Alabama though.

It is not OK for you to speak about  to us Alabamese (Alabamians?) like that.


I believe it's Alabamorans
 
2013-01-03 07:07:44 PM  
What's the correlation of GAY and ATTENTION WHORE?
 
2013-01-03 07:13:57 PM  

maunderingcabal: Telling someone to not have an opinion is not free speech no mater how hateful it is.

If this was a real free society everyone would have been like "we'll. that's like. Your opinion man." And carried on or ignored him.

Being hateful to hates is no better than being hateful. Kill them with kindness or ignore them you farking political correctness fascists.

I support gay right. But I also supprt true Freedom of speech.


You are an idiot, freedom of speech is not freedom of hate or freedom to persecute or demean people or the freedom to intolerant and bigoted. It is the freedom of opinion, but hatred is not an opinion, intolerance is not on opinion.Me thinking you are an idiot for confusing freedom of speech with freedom of intolerance and freedom of hatred, now that is an opinion!
 
2013-01-03 07:22:16 PM  
What's incredible is how many bigots there are in this thread.

You know, people intolerant of the intolerant.
 
2013-01-03 07:26:35 PM  

pagansexgod: You are an idiot, freedom of speech is not freedom of hate or freedom to persecute or demean people or the freedom to intolerant and bigoted. It is the freedom of opinion, but hatred is not an opinion, intolerance is not on opinion.Me thinking you are an idiot for confusing freedom of speech with freedom of intolerance and freedom of hatred, now that is an opinion!


For the sake of argument, let's assume that you're right and that people should not free to (be) intolerant and bigoted and hateful. Let's also assume that many in this country are. What do you propose to remedy the situation?

Maybe they are free to be that way and you're calling Maun out for conflating having certain views and expressing certain views? But if someone is free to have certain views, how is it not freedom of speech to express these views?

I'd really like to see you tackle the first paragraph of my response, though.
 
2013-01-03 07:27:45 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: IntertubeUser: Too many bigoted homophobes in this thread.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because anyone that isn't afraid to say out loud that they find the idea of two males coupling to be disgusting, and unnatural must therefore be AFRAID of it or even worse, they must be gay themselves!

I call bullshiat on tfa though, sounds like thenjerk who wrote the article DOES need to cut the gay shiat out and behave like a proper gentleman in public. Or he could insist on flaunting his choice of sexual preference in an unseemly manner like any other attention whore.


I think I'm ohlookabutterflyphobic because I don't want you coupling with anyone.
 
2013-01-03 07:27:45 PM  
If we start letting gay couples share a pizza, what's next, People sharing pizza with their pets?

www.thisblogrules.com
 
2013-01-03 07:28:52 PM  

nickerj1: What's incredible is how many bigots there are in this thread.

You know, people intolerant of the intolerant.


Well, I don't know - but "speech" isn't a one-way street. It seems like, if I have to listen to somebody's opinion, they have to listen to mine. Seems fair enough.
 
2013-01-03 07:31:48 PM  
Meh, gay is a word, like any other, and it can have multiple meanings.

South Park covered it:
cdn.motinetwork.net

As did Penn & Teller(well, "cursing in general") in the Humbug! episode.

Etiquette Police are lame.

Sure, the guy was an asshole, maybe. The article really provide that many details as to make a very clear judgement, making many people here a bit on the prejudice side themselves. He was "berating" them, but the best example of how deplorable this guy is is having used the "g" word...I'm not sold.

If it sounded like Mr. Slave and Missus Harrison having a flamboyant conversation too loudly, I can see getting annoyed by it. Same as straight and proud jocks are as annoying as shiat when the get loud and bubbly.

Being X orientation does not exclude the possibility that some people are simply too inconsiderately obnoxious to tolerate. We've never been in line with people "simply having fun" that we'd rather not be so loud and annoying? Not even someone's snot nosed crotchfruit being a genuine public nuisance?

The guy was likely a bigoted asshole, but still, the concept bears mentioning as the thread is more of a general discussion.
 
2013-01-03 07:33:34 PM  
Guess I'm the only one but, while I found the story itself refreshing, the writing itself was too full of politically correct overly sensitive terminology. Guy who hates gays yells at them and gets run off=good. Doesn't require paragraphs of touchy feely Womyn's Studies whargbargle or whatever you youngsters call it.
 
2013-01-03 07:35:46 PM  
David Cross has IMO his funniest minute of material when he describes what it would be like being stuck behind (not in a gay way) a couple of gay guys ordering at a pizza place. It was the first thing I thought of upon reading this headline, glad a few others had that on their mind...

/think I might want a squagel, too
 
2013-01-03 07:37:04 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Meh, gay is a word, like any other, and it can have multiple meanings.

South Park covered it:
[cdn.motinetwork.net image 640x507]

As did Penn & Teller(well, "cursing in general") in the Humbug! episode.

Etiquette Police are lame.

Sure, the guy was an asshole, maybe. The article really provide that many details as to make a very clear judgement, making many people here a bit on the prejudice side themselves. He was "berating" them, but the best example of how deplorable this guy is is having used the "g" word...I'm not sold.

If it sounded like Mr. Slave and Missus Harrison having a flamboyant conversation too loudly, I can see getting annoyed by it. Same as straight and proud jocks are as annoying as shiat when the get loud and bubbly.

Being X orientation does not exclude the possibility that some people are simply too inconsiderately obnoxious to tolerate. We've never been in line with people "simply having fun" that we'd rather not be so loud and annoying? Not even someone's snot nosed crotchfruit being a genuine public nuisance?

The guy was likely a bigoted asshole, but still, the concept bears mentioning as the thread is more of a general discussion.


I don't see the problem here. Free speech is a two way street. This guy opened up his mouth and caused a bunch of other people to listen to his opinion. Then, they responded with their opinions.
Sounds like free speech all around, to me.
 
2013-01-03 07:38:15 PM  

sevenbucks: David Cross has IMO his funniest minute of material when he describes what it would be like being stuck behind (not in a gay way) a couple of gay guys ordering at a pizza place. It was the first thing I thought of upon reading this headline, glad a few others had that on their mind...

/think I might want a squagel, too


OK, I'll bite - what the f**k is a "squagel"?
 
2013-01-03 07:39:47 PM  

notatrollorami: Guess I'm the only one but, while I found the story itself refreshing, the writing itself was too full of politically correct overly sensitive terminology. Guy who hates gays yells at them and gets run off=good. Doesn't require paragraphs of touchy feely Womyn's Studies whargbargle or whatever you youngsters call it.


That was my take. The rude dude couldn't just be some guy who didn't like gay people -- he was an "oppressor" of gay people. Un-huh.
 
2013-01-03 07:40:19 PM  
If this happened in Florida, someone would have died.
 
2013-01-03 07:41:51 PM  

bratchaman: If this happened in Florida, someone would have died.


Yeah, but that applies to a white-goods sale at the J.C. Penny's, in Florida.
 
2013-01-03 07:45:42 PM  
 maunderingcabal

Telling someone to not have an opinion is not free speech no mater how hateful it is.

If this was a real free society everyone would have been like "we'll. that's like. Your opinion man." And carried on or ignored him.

Being hateful to hates is no better than being hateful. Kill them with kindness or ignore them you farking political correctness fascists.

I support gay right. But I also supprt true Freedom of speech.


You're a farking idiot. Its only interfering with freedom of speech if the GOVERNMENT interferes.  He can having his coonting opinion, and I can have my opinion, which is that he should shut his coonting pie hole.Now do me a favor and shut yours.

/"true" freedom of speech, my ass
 
2013-01-03 07:52:03 PM  

bratchaman: If this happened in Florida, someone would have died.


Now that would have been news.
 
2013-01-03 07:58:26 PM  
...the guys who work the truck stopped what they were doing and leaned towards the window and told him they would not serve him...

www.seinfeld-fan.net
 
2013-01-03 07:58:36 PM  
Incredible? More like highly likely in 2013. Highly unlikely in 1974.
 
2013-01-03 08:01:45 PM  

Maud Dib: AirForceVet: Cool.

Doubt it would have happened in Alabama though.

Nor in Austin, Texas, a city with one of the largest gay populations in the state.

Link
I hate farking rednecks.


Makes me sad that happened here. There are few of my friends that would not intervene.
 
2013-01-03 08:06:49 PM  
Mid_mo_mad_man
The couple were holding hands and sharing body heat. That's a little bit close.

I bet you object to women showing their ankles too.
 
2013-01-03 08:09:32 PM  
Chicago has the best pizza and the best gays.
It's science, look it up.
 
2013-01-03 08:21:37 PM  

The Southern Dandy: If we start letting gay couples share a pizza, what's next, People sharing pizza with their pets?

[www.thisblogrules.com image 448x336]


If you don't toss them a pepperoni, you're a jerk.
 
2013-01-03 08:22:24 PM  
Always warms my black, cynical heart to see people standing up against homophobes who spew their garbage against tax-paying Americans.
 
2013-01-03 08:31:18 PM  

ultraholland: I was at the DMV and two white guys next to me were narrating the goings-on of two hispanic dudes at the teller counter. I couldn't make out everything, but it was derisive and unnecessary. I sat there reading my Tolkein, just hoping they'd directly address me with some ignorant shiat, because I ALWAYS attract the assholes who think I'm "one of them." Alas, they seemed to tone it down and kept whatever shiat they were talking to themselves. Non-story, bro.


You get an interesting perspective on all this if you are "one of THEM" but look like you're "one of US": a light-skinned black woman, for example, or a gay man who "doesn't look gay."  There are a lot of people who won't display their bigotry in mixed company but are happy enough to pull out the racist or homophobic jokes when they think they're among like-minded people.
 
2013-01-03 08:34:25 PM  
brigantinenow.com
 
2013-01-03 08:53:38 PM  
Whatever
 
2013-01-03 09:06:42 PM  

pudding7: That's one of the least incredible stories I've ever read.  Some guy was being a jerk, and people told him to STFU and go away.  Incredible!


It is to me. I cannot begin to tell you how much something like this would mean to me but for now I can at least be comforted by the fact it happens *somewhere*. I hope reading this encourages at least one straight person to not turn a deaf ear on a similar situation.
 
2013-01-03 09:11:12 PM  
And I bet the queers didn't buy anyone in that line a slice of pizza for their heroism. Phuqin' tight asses.
 
2013-01-03 09:13:00 PM  

pagansexgod: maunderingcabal: Telling someone to not have an opinion is not free speech no mater how hateful it is.

If this was a real free society everyone would have been like "we'll. that's like. Your opinion man." And carried on or ignored him.

Being hateful to hates is no better than being hateful. Kill them with kindness or ignore them you farking political correctness fascists.

I support gay right. But I also supprt true Freedom of speech.

You are an idiot, freedom of speech is not freedom of hate or freedom to persecute or demean people or the freedom to intolerant and bigoted. It is the freedom of opinion, but hatred is not an opinion, intolerance is not on opinion.Me thinking you are an idiot for confusing freedom of speech with freedom of intolerance and freedom of hatred, now that is an opinion!


There's a danger to what you are suggesting.  That danger is only what is acceptable is tolerated.  Using that logic, promoting gay rights at one time would have been considered unacceptable and could be prohibited.  Promoting equal rights for all races would have been illegal (and it was in some places).

No, you must accept speech you find repugnant if you believe in freedom of speech.  The cure for bad speech is not censorship.  It is MORE speech, which is exactly what happened in the linked story.  It works.
 
2013-01-03 09:14:02 PM  

Tumunga: Phuqin' tight asses.


I doubt that.
 
2013-01-03 09:28:16 PM  

steamingpile: Maud Dib: AirForceVet: Cool.

Doubt it would have happened in Alabama though.

Nor in Austin, Texas, a city with one of the largest gay populations in the state.

Link
I hate farking rednecks.

Is that sarcasm? Asians can't be rednecks and I'm not sure I believe the story since it also says 6 foot Asian.......

Sounds like the guy doing the beating was just an asshole.


Asian redneck... Link
 
2013-01-03 09:34:01 PM  

pudding7: That's one of the least incredible stories I've ever read.  Some guy was being a jerk, and people told him to STFU and go away.  Incredible!


Yep. Seems being gay and having someone talk mean to you is "hero" tag worthy. Or is it for the bystanders who did...what any decent group of people would do in that situation?

I'm not defending the jerk in line but perhaps the bar for the hero tag should be set a bit higher? Just saying.
 
2013-01-03 09:35:52 PM  
I was there! The guy told his friend, "Avert your gays!"

What a homophone.
 
2013-01-03 09:37:28 PM  
the heroes are the people who spoke up against negative homophobic BS

it's a cool story
hope it happens everywhere
 
2013-01-03 09:52:24 PM  
 
2013-01-03 09:59:53 PM  
I think its important that what we all take from this is.... other places have farking late night pizza trucks! IM SO JELLY!
 
2013-01-03 10:41:22 PM  
Yeah, I'm not seeing "incredible" here. More like "nice" or "decent", but not really "incredible".

I just can't see people shouting down a jerk as being incredible, unless you live in a town full of total jerks and they suddenly changed their attitude all at once.

I'm happy for everyone involved (except the jerk) but really... This was blown way out of proportion. People are getting all bent out of shape, and it's just snowballing into something bigger.
 
2013-01-03 11:04:28 PM  
especially not in one of the gayest neighborhoods in town

global3.memecdn.com
 
2013-01-04 12:14:31 AM  
God damn, there really are people in here saying that being told to shut the hell up and mind your own business is an attack on their free speech rights. Grow up, for crying out loud.
 
2013-01-04 12:25:02 AM  

2 Replies: ITGreen: And, not to mention, how "insanely good" could the pizza be in Columbus, Ohio?


Dude, pizza isn't lobster crab or seafood.
There is NO specific LOCATION which makes pizza good.
Someone in Chicago can make a shiat Chicago-style pie even though they're in Chicago.
It's NOT the location that makes it good, it's the chef and the recipe.

Yes certain regions have their preferred styles, but someone can make a good pie, and make it ANYWHERE.
So don't be an obtuse douche.
The OP wasn't saying ALL Columbus pizza is good, he was saying that THAT SPECIFIC purveyor was KNOWN to be good (why else would truck/street food have such a long line?)


Obtuse Douche was my college DJ name. Pronounced "ob-too-say doo-shay."

/true story
 
2013-01-04 01:25:32 AM  
how did this thread keep going after post #4?
 
2013-01-04 01:52:33 AM  
ciberido: You get an interesting perspective on all this if you are "one of THEM" but look like you're "one of US"

Shiat, allow me to rephrase: I usually resemble "one of us." "One of them" is usually ascribed to the black or hispanic guys who agree with "our" sentiments (generally surrounding stupidity/laziness/welfare) which are resoundingly (and erroneously) race-based.
 
2013-01-04 02:15:36 AM  
People certainly have the right to express their opinions. They are likewise free to have others express their own in return. That's the beauty of this nation.
 
2013-01-04 02:29:41 AM  

Kibbler: Allen. The end.: Kibbler: serial_crusher: Doesn't really sound like harassment.  He said "cut the gay shiat out" and it appears to have ended there.
Obviously not being there myself, I don't know how gay the gay shiat they were up to was, or whether or not it actually needed to be cut out.  But I've been in quite a few places where people, regardless of sexuality, were behaving obnoxiously enough that the phrase "cut that gay shiat out" would be applicable.

/ I was always too much of a wimp to actually say it though

Oh yeah, I can remember literally zeroes of times when a guy and a girl held hands and stood close together, and people snarled at them.

Zeroes of times.

Never been to a "christian" university, have you?

No, I confess I have not, and couint myself fortunate for the dearth of experience.  Little story, though.  Back in 1980 (yes I'm that old), I encountered the local "preacher" who liked to wander onto campus and thunder denunciation at the students.  Calling all the girls "whores" and "Jezebels" and so on.  He was generally ignored, which is the best thing to do, always.  Creeps should be ignored.  But I do remember standing at the corner once waiting for the light to change, when he was up on his soapbox doing his thing, and he shouted "whore" at one girl in particular who was being escorted by a very large individual of the male variety.  You could see the guy's jaw set; if he'd been wearing a bowler hat, I think he would have shoved it back on his head.  He took about two steps toward the preacher, who then backpedaled off of his soapbox, lost his balance, and bang down he went on his butt.

Everybody roared with laughter.  Then everybody walked away.  Good for a momentary laugh, Mr. Hate Preacher, but nobody has any more time for you than that.

The end.


Sounds like that was Brother Jed, saw him several times starting with U of MN campus in the 70s. Apparently he is still around: Link
 
2013-01-04 02:38:45 AM  

PiffMan420: Always warms my black, cynical heart to see people standing up against homophobes who spew their garbage against tax-paying Americans.


No need to bring race into the discussion.
 
2013-01-04 04:47:09 AM  

2 Replies: ITGreen: And, not to mention, how "insanely good" could the pizza be in Columbus, Ohio?

Dude, pizza isn't lobster crab or seafood.
There is NO specific LOCATION which makes pizza good.
Someone in Chicago can make a shiat Chicago-style pie even though they're in Chicago.
It's NOT the location that makes it good, it's the chef and the recipe.

Yes certain regions have their preferred styles, but someone can make a good pie, and make it ANYWHERE.
So don't be an obtuse douche.


Pizza is working-class food. Working-class food is tribal. Think barbecue. Think hot dogs. Think sammiches. The tribalism is the point. Without it, all you have is meaty-bready stuff to shove in your puss.
 
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