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2013-01-03 05:15:56 PM  
I really was hoping the couple was going to buy everyone a slice of pizza.  Ungracious jerks.
 
2013-01-03 05:16:02 PM  

DmGdDawg: So someone telling them to stop with the gay public displays of affection and that's "hate speech?"


I lived in Japan for 3 years you would get sneered at for straight PDA. Our political correctness in this country is crazy
 
2013-01-03 05:16:06 PM  

maunderingcabal: justGreg: maunderingcabal: justGreg: maunderingcabal: Telling someone to not have an opinion is not free speech no mater how hateful it is.

If this was a real free society everyone would have been like "we'll. that's like. Your opinion man." And carried on or ignored him.

Being hateful to hates is no better than being hateful. Kill them with kindness or ignore them you farking political correctness fascists.

I support gay right. But I also supprt true Freedom of speech.

Well at least you know I am well within my rights then when I call you a homophobic asshat.

Nice job politically correct zombie. I was waiting for someone to call me a homophobe. Took seconds. How long before you call me a racist too for supporting freedom of speech

I was thinking of going with necrophiliac next.

Lol I feel like this debate is going somewhere now. Check it out. If you have an unpopular opinion there is no limit to the nasty shiat people will call you


look, i don't mind you posting your unpopular opinions here on fark, but could you please stop touching all those children's buttholes?
 
2013-01-03 05:17:30 PM  

DmGdDawg: So someone telling them to stop with the gay public displays of affection and that's "hate speech?"


Holding hands and standing close on a cold night while waiting in line == PDA? Kinda of uptight IMO, but if that is really too much affection and it weirds you out, then asking them politely to stop without incorporating a sexual orientation slur would not, in fact, be considered hate speech by most people. That's not what happened here though. Great hypothetical thought exercise though! Keep it up, this is fun!
 
2013-01-03 05:18:23 PM  

thomps: maunderingcabal: justGreg: maunderingcabal: justGreg: maunderingcabal: Telling someone to not have an opinion is not free speech no mater how hateful it is.

If this was a real free society everyone would have been like "we'll. that's like. Your opinion man." And carried on or ignored him.

Being hateful to hates is no better than being hateful. Kill them with kindness or ignore them you farking political correctness fascists.

I support gay right. But I also supprt true Freedom of speech.

Well at least you know I am well within my rights then when I call you a homophobic asshat.

Nice job politically correct zombie. I was waiting for someone to call me a homophobe. Took seconds. How long before you call me a racist too for supporting freedom of speech

I was thinking of going with necrophiliac next.

Lol I feel like this debate is going somewhere now. Check it out. If you have an unpopular opinion there is no limit to the nasty shiat people will call you

look, i don't mind you posting your unpopular opinions here on fark, but could you please stop touching all those children's buttholes?


I don't like you r opinion man. Your a child molester... Lol I wish that was in a presidential debate
 
2013-01-03 05:18:54 PM  

IntertubeUser: Ohlookabutterfly: IntertubeUser: Too many bigoted homophobes in this thread.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because anyone that isn't afraid to say out loud that they find the idea of two males coupling to be disgusting, and unnatural must therefore be AFRAID of it or even worse, they must be gay themselves!


I find lots of things "unnatural" and "disgusting." But I have enough class to keep the comments myself. I also don't differentiate between conversations between opposite-sex and same-sex couples when I'm eavesdropping.

I hope that, one day, you can relinquish your own bigotry and derp.


You do realize that if you had any class at all you wouldn't have said anything about bigots or homophobes, right mr. hypocrite? Once again I retort that you flinging your overused and abusive names at me does not make them true. Nobody can tell another that they have to accept homosexuality. I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.
 
2013-01-03 05:19:58 PM  

Maud Dib: I hate farking rednecks.


Then stop farking them?
 
2013-01-03 05:23:02 PM  

maunderingcabal: Libertarian for life


That's worse than being a racist homophobe.
 
2013-01-03 05:25:43 PM  
Something about this story bothers me and I'm not sure what it is.

In the main, things worked like they should have, I think, In a free society. I really like the notion of the group shunning the idiot and the business owner refusing service - the fact that it was a moment of real anarcho-capitalism that just flared. Notice that there was no other authority present than the collective, momentary authority of a spontaneously formed group.

I think the thing that might bother me is the reaction, too, though. While the story is not very detailed, in my ideal world, there would have been any number of compromises or bids for understanding at least. Homogenization (no pun intended) with the described banishment is less good than tacit acceptance of differences - or even a detente.

So many have commented that it would/could have played out differently in different neighborhoods and I'm okay with that on some level. What I do not want is homogenization of our culture by fiat and force. I like people having different cultures and holding different values and even having them localized to different places. This distinction of differences, respect, and detente is probably a little too nuanced to try to defend on Fark, but I'd have liked to see this have played out differently. No consensus, but coexistence.

At least the first move being something like, "I get it - you don't like gays, but buddy, you're in a pretty gay neighborhood. This is where we live and eat, etc. I don't go into your neighborhood and complain about guys in plaid shirts or dirty workboots. We'll probably never be friends, but can we agree to be civil to each other, get our pizza, and go on our separate ways?" That may or may not have been effective, but I'd like to have seen it tried - and in every appropriate case, not just this one. That, to me, is real diversity and tolerance.
 
2013-01-03 05:27:43 PM  
Oh my GOD! Some people are bigoted towards homosexuals, and some people are not?

This is the first I'm hearing of such an unusual phenomenon. I'm glad this article was posted to raise public awareness of the issue. I'm surprised that people have opinions on things.
 
2013-01-03 05:30:21 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.


If you were out with a very hairy woman and you two were holding hands and acting affectionate (not even groping each other or getting sexual), no one would be enough of an asshole to say "Hey that's gross, cut that out." Oh sure, someone might think it loudly. But they know they can't say anything because everyone else would call them out for being a judgmental dick. Society looks down on people who act outright rude and hateful in public, deal with it.
 
2013-01-03 05:30:46 PM  

maunderingcabal:
Violence has solved most of the worlds problems. I don't see why this one should be any different.

That's some really humanity there. Bravo. If the situation sucks kill someone


The world has suffered for generations at the hands of intolerant assholes. I'm all for some kind of final solution that will put an end to that crap entirely, so the rest of us can get along.
 
2013-01-03 05:32:41 PM  

machoprogrammer: Honestly, that's what I call a cool story bro. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I'm showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, "kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like...not like the stories your generation tells.


Or you could have just printed it out and slid it between the pages of an old Playboy magazine stashed in the attic. Then they will be guaranteed to find it when the time is right.

/Just saying
 
2013-01-03 05:33:42 PM  

wyltoknow: Ohlookabutterfly: I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.

If you were out with a very hairy woman and you two were holding hands and acting affectionate (not even groping each other or getting sexual), no one would be enough of an asshole to say "Hey that's gross, cut that out." Oh sure, someone might think it loudly. But they know they can't say anything because everyone else would call them out for being a judgmental dick. Society looks down on people who act outright rude and hateful in public, deal witht it.


I'm sorry but I would say something to anyone getting to friendly with each other. Don't want to see it
 
2013-01-03 05:34:08 PM  
Mikeys Late Night Slice! Home of the Cheezus Crust™.
 
2013-01-03 05:35:07 PM  

Kibbler: serial_crusher: Doesn't really sound like harassment.  He said "cut the gay shiat out" and it appears to have ended there.
Obviously not being there myself, I don't know how gay the gay shiat they were up to was, or whether or not it actually needed to be cut out.  But I've been in quite a few places where people, regardless of sexuality, were behaving obnoxiously enough that the phrase "cut that gay shiat out" would be applicable.

/ I was always too much of a wimp to actually say it though

Oh yeah, I can remember literally zeroes of times when a guy and a girl held hands and stood close together, and people snarled at them.

Zeroes of times.


My wife and I aren't the same race and live in Texas... you'll have to add a pretty large number in front of those zeros if you hang out with a couple like us.

Funnily enough, I have a similar story to the one above except it involves my sister who spat vitriol at us in a public restaurant before the patrons and business people drove her off and apologized to us.

-We have to avoid certain towns and areas (yes, still to this day) and not all of them are in Texas.
 
2013-01-03 05:36:59 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: wyltoknow: Ohlookabutterfly: I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.

If you were out with a very hairy woman and you two were holding hands and acting affectionate (not even groping each other or getting sexual), no one would be enough of an asshole to say "Hey that's gross, cut that out." Oh sure, someone might think it loudly. But they know they can't say anything because everyone else would call them out for being a judgmental dick. Society looks down on people who act outright rude and hateful in public, deal witht it.

I'm sorry but I would say something to anyone getting to friendly with each other. Don't want to see it


You must be a blast at parties.
 
2013-01-03 05:39:08 PM  

ITGreen: And, not to mention, how "insanely good" could the pizza be in Columbus, Ohio?



Dude, pizza isn't lobster crab or seafood.
There is NO specific LOCATION which makes pizza good.
Someone in Chicago can make a shiat Chicago-style pie even though they're in Chicago.
It's NOT the location that makes it good, it's the chef and the recipe.

Yes certain regions have their preferred styles, but someone can make a good pie, and make it ANYWHERE.
So don't be an obtuse douche.
The OP wasn't saying ALL Columbus pizza is good, he was saying that THAT SPECIFIC purveyor was KNOWN to be good (why else would truck/street food have such a long line?)
 
2013-01-03 05:39:12 PM  
The moral of this story?

Never get out of the boat.
 
2013-01-03 05:39:50 PM  
Up here, the gays serve YOU pizza
 
2013-01-03 05:42:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: serial_crusher: Doesn't really sound like harassment.  He said "cut the gay shiat out" and it appears to have ended there.
Obviously not being there myself, I don't know how gay the gay shiat they were up to was, or whether or not it actually needed to be cut out.  But I've been in quite a few places where people, regardless of sexuality, were behaving obnoxiously enough that the phrase "cut that gay shiat out" would be applicable.

/ I was always too much of a wimp to actually say it though

So why didn't he say "cut that shiat out?" Why did he feel the need to add the word "gay"? And why did you feel the need to add the word "gay", even when you explicity say "regardless of sexuality"?



Mmmm! Yummy! Want another serving?
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-03 05:42:48 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: wyltoknow: Ohlookabutterfly: I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.

If you were out with a very hairy woman and you two were holding hands and acting affectionate (not even groping each other or getting sexual), no one would be enough of an asshole to say "Hey that's gross, cut that out." Oh sure, someone might think it loudly. But they know they can't say anything because everyone else would call them out for being a judgmental dick. Society looks down on people who act outright rude and hateful in public, deal witht it.

I'm sorry but I would say something to anyone getting to friendly with each other. Don't want to see it


they were HOLDING HANDS YOU GODDAM NITWIT. they werent having public buttsecks. hell, they werent even pecking on the cheek, let alone making out. they were laughing and holding hands.
 
2013-01-03 05:44:14 PM  

Silly Jesus: When you willfully disregard the rules of the Lord you should not be surprised by the consequences.


Oh come on, now. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
 
2013-01-03 05:44:53 PM  

Xaneidolon: Something about this story bothers me and I'm not sure what it is.

In the main, things worked like they should have, I think, In a free society. I really like the notion of the group shunning the idiot and the business owner refusing service - the fact that it was a moment of real anarcho-capitalism that just flared. Notice that there was no other authority present than the collective, momentary authority of a spontaneously formed group.

I think the thing that might bother me is the reaction, too, though. While the story is not very detailed, in my ideal world, there would have been any number of compromises or bids for understanding at least. Homogenization (no pun intended) with the described banishment is less good than tacit acceptance of differences - or even a detente.

So many have commented that it would/could have played out differently in different neighborhoods and I'm okay with that on some level. What I do not want is homogenization of our culture by fiat and force. I like people having different cultures and holding different values and even having them localized to different places. This distinction of differences, respect, and detente is probably a little too nuanced to try to defend on Fark, but I'd have liked to see this have played out differently. No consensus, but coexistence.

At least the first move being something like, "I get it - you don't like gays, but buddy, you're in a pretty gay neighborhood. This is where we live and eat, etc. I don't go into your neighborhood and complain about guys in plaid shirts or dirty workboots. We'll probably never be friends, but can we agree to be civil to each other, get our pizza, and go on our separate ways?" That may or may not have been effective, but I'd like to have seen it tried - and in every appropriate case, not just this one. That, to me, is real diversity and tolerance.


The problem is when you declare someone to be subhuman and beneath contempt (as the antagonist in the article effectively did), then it is kind of hard to just "agree to disagree." You present your solution as balanced, but it really isn't, is it?
 
2013-01-03 05:46:23 PM  

jackiepaper: Mid_mo_mad_man: wyltoknow: Ohlookabutterfly: I don't care what the hell 2 consenting adults do in their own home but I don't run around proclaiming my love of hirstute women at the top of my lungs because you are correct, it's vulgar and in poor taste to behave that way so take your gay pride and political correctness and shove it right back in your closet.

If you were out with a very hairy woman and you two were holding hands and acting affectionate (not even groping each other or getting sexual), no one would be enough of an asshole to say "Hey that's gross, cut that out." Oh sure, someone might think it loudly. But they know they can't say anything because everyone else would call them out for being a judgmental dick. Society looks down on people who act outright rude and hateful in public, deal witht it.

I'm sorry but I would say something to anyone getting to friendly with each other. Don't want to see it

they were HOLDING HANDS YOU GODDAM NITWIT. they werent having public buttsecks. hell, they werent even pecking on the cheek, let alone making out. they were laughing and holding hands.


The couple were holding hands and sharing body heat. That's a little bit close.
 
2013-01-03 05:50:09 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: jackiepaper:

they were HOLDING HANDS YOU GODDAM NITWIT. they werent having public buttsecks. hell, they werent even pecking on the cheek, let alone making out. they were laughing and holding hands.

The couple were holding hands and sharing body heat. That's a little bit close.


Uh oh. Violating the 6-Inch Rule. Got into a lot of trouble back in school that way.
 
2013-01-03 05:52:19 PM  

2 Replies: ITGreen: And, not to mention, how "insanely good" could the pizza be in Columbus, Ohio?


Dude, pizza isn't lobster crab or seafood.
There is NO specific LOCATION which makes pizza good.
Someone in Chicago can make a shiat Chicago-style pie even though they're in Chicago.
It's NOT the location that makes it good, it's the chef and the recipe.

Yes certain regions have their preferred styles, but someone can make a good pie, and make it ANYWHERE.
So don't be an obtuse douche.
The OP wasn't saying ALL Columbus pizza is good, he was saying that THAT SPECIFIC purveyor was KNOWN to be good (why else would truck/street food have such a long line?)


incorrect. yeast is exceptionally susceptible to the location. even if i imported new york yeast to make a new york pizza somewhere else, it would adopt to the local climate in a matter of days, making it impossible to create a new york pizza outside of new york.

breads are probably the most vulnerable foodstuffs to location.
 
2013-01-03 05:53:34 PM  

Kibbler: GnomePaladin: Mid_mo_mad_man: Churchill92: This is such a non-story. Slow news day? Oh...huffington post...

Mid_mo_mad_man: Gay or straight pod's both have gotten out of hand.

PDO's I meant

WTF is a PDO?

Public Display of Oenophilia

/do *not* GIS


wow, some Palestinian Democracy Overseers are gonna be all worked up about this...
 
2013-01-03 05:54:40 PM  
in his defense that shiat was really gay
 
2013-01-03 05:56:05 PM  
...........and the whole restaurant applauded.
 
2013-01-03 06:01:31 PM  

Ohlookabutterfly: IntertubeUser: Too many bigoted homophobes in this thread.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because anyone that isn't afraid to say out loud that they find the idea of two males coupling to be disgusting, and unnatural must therefore be AFRAID of it or even worse, they must be gay themselves!


See, the thing is, we DON'T CARE whether your homophobia is based on fear or disgust.  Nor, really, do we care whether you're gay deep down and in denial.  You're a homophobe; therefore you suck.  Why you suck isn't that important.
 
2013-01-03 06:01:57 PM  

ultraholland: in his defense that shiat was really gay


Oh you rascally rabbit...
 
2013-01-03 06:07:15 PM  

DmGdDawg: So someone telling them to stop with the gay public displays of affection and that's "hate speech?"


Yes.

They CAN learn!
 
2013-01-03 06:07:26 PM  
What's the matter with this planet. somethings wrong when a couple dudes are doing nothing more than just blindly spewing anti gays slurs at another couple dudes. It's like they've been singled out just for being bigots....something needs to change.

/brought to you by NAMBLA
 
2013-01-03 06:08:02 PM  

justGreg: The problem is when you declare someone to be subhuman and beneath contempt (as the antagonist in the article effectively did), then it is kind of hard to just "agree to disagree." You present your solution as balanced, but it really isn't, is it?


I don't agree that the bigot was subhuman, though, nor was he beneath contempt. We'd feel that way about many of our ancestors and I think that their bigotry was a product of their upbringing, yet were we somehow able to meet them, we'd probably find a way to look past that crap and have a conversation. Further, if you ever travel, you'll meet continents of people who you might be inclined to call "subhuman" or "beneath contempt" if they were to share every view that they had with you. Worse, there are many around the world who might and do call us those same things. Yet that doesn't make any of us less human. I don't think it's a defensible position to call people subhuman who don't agree with you. And maybe that's part of my point. We're all human - even the bigot in the story - and irrespective to what's said to us, I'd like to think that I'd try reason before banishment...or worse.

I don't disagree that it probably wouldn't have played out in a way that I'd have liked. Note, though, that in my post I lamented the fact that a possible compromise wasn't the first step. And I don't find that unbalanced on any level.

To finish this off, imagine the story that the bigot is telling today. Something like, "I got run off by a bunch of gays" vs. the story that he probably wouldn't tell had it gone the way I'd hoped in my imagination ("Damn, the gays were civil to me when I was being an asshole").

Don't get me wrong. I do think that there's a time and a place for defending yourself - even violently if you have to. But the crowd moving with what may have been a perceived threat of violence (or at least open hostility) as the first play is less good in my book than offering detente first.

Finally, I'm kind of torn on this anyway. Gays have been abused (curb stomping in SLC earlier this year that really got my hackles up) for far too long and the story in the thread is a good one to mark progress and even to feel good about in the main. I'm probably picking nits with my criticism, but it's a conceptual principle that I'm working at and I do think that there's something to it.
 
2013-01-03 06:08:20 PM  

ciberido: Ohlookabutterfly: IntertubeUser: Too many bigoted homophobes in this thread.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, because anyone that isn't afraid to say out loud that they find the idea of two males coupling to be disgusting, and unnatural must therefore be AFRAID of it or even worse, they must be gay themselves!

See, the thing is, we DON'T CARE whether your homophobia is based on fear or disgust.  Nor, really, do we care whether you're gay deep down and in denial.  You're a homophobe; therefore you suck.  Why you suck isn't that important.


I saw an excellent t-shirt the other day that says "polyamory is WRONG!  (It's multiamory if you go with the Latin roots or polyphilia if you go with the Greek roots.  Never mix the two!)"
 
2013-01-03 06:09:44 PM  

serial_crusher: I saw an excellent t-shirt the other day that says "polyamory is WRONG! (It's multiamory if you go with the Latin roots or polyphilia if you go with the Greek roots. Never mix the two!)"


aquamarine.
 
2013-01-03 06:10:02 PM  

Eugoogoolizer: a couple dudes


Dudes that are a couple? Man, that's gay.
 
2013-01-03 06:10:18 PM  

justGreg: (as the antagonist in the article effectively did)


Damn, I misread your post and put words in your mouth wrongly. Sorry. Apart from asking you to defend what you didn't say, though, I'm okay with what I posted.
 
2013-01-03 06:12:39 PM  
So two homosexuals couldn't stand up for themselves but had to have an entire crowd defend them against one man?

Sounds about right.
 
2013-01-03 06:15:36 PM  

Maud Dib: AirForceVet: Cool.

Doubt it would have happened in Alabama though.

Nor in Austin, Texas, a city with one of the largest gay populations in the state.

Link
I hate farking rednecks.


Would you be surprised that they probably hate you right back?
That always comes as a shock to bigoted people like you.
 
2013-01-03 06:16:36 PM  

Kibbler: serial_crusher: Doesn't really sound like harassment.  He said "cut the gay shiat out" and it appears to have ended there.
Obviously not being there myself, I don't know how gay the gay shiat they were up to was, or whether or not it actually needed to be cut out.  But I've been in quite a few places where people, regardless of sexuality, were behaving obnoxiously enough that the phrase "cut that gay shiat out" would be applicable.

/ I was always too much of a wimp to actually say it though

Oh yeah, I can remember literally zeroes of times when a guy and a girl held hands and stood close together, and people snarled at them.

Zeroes of times.


It happened to me when I was in the Castro district of San Francisco with a date.  The "militant gays" seem to think that they own that part of the City and dislike straights who wander into their territory.  Note, this is the exception, not the rule.  The vast majority of gays don't care.
 
2013-01-03 06:18:17 PM  
ciberido: DmGdDawg: So someone telling them to stop with the gay public displays of affection and that's "hate speech?"

Yes.

They CAN learn!


I was at the DMV and two white guys next to me were narrating the goings-on of two hispanic dudes at the teller counter. I couldn't make out everything, but it was derisive and unnecessary. I sat there reading my Tolkein, just hoping they'd directly address me with some ignorant shiat, because I ALWAYS attract the assholes who think I'm "one of them." Alas, they seemed to tone it down and kept whatever shiat they were talking to themselves. Non-story, bro.
 
2013-01-03 06:22:23 PM  

pudding7: That's one of the least incredible stories I've ever read.  Some guy was being a jerk, and people told him to STFU and go away.  Incredible!


I think you have to appreciate that for gay people over the age of 20, being defended by strangers is a new experience. There was a time you could get the shiat beaten out of you and nobody in town would even care.

Author did drama it up quite a bit, though.
 
2013-01-03 06:25:30 PM  

douchebag/hater: So two homosexuals couldn't stand up for themselves but had to have an entire crowd defend them against one man?

Sounds about right.


douchebag/hater: Would you be surprised that they probably hate you right back?
That always comes as a shock to bigoted people like you.


Dude. Take a bong hit once in a while. You're really starting to live up to your handle.
 
2013-01-03 06:29:09 PM  

douchebag/hater: Maud Dib: AirForceVet: Cool.

Doubt it would have happened in Alabama though.

Nor in Austin, Texas, a city with one of the largest gay populations in the state.

Link
I hate farking rednecks.

Would you be surprised that they probably hate you right back?
That always comes as a shock to bigoted people like you.


You think someone will be shocked that rednecks hate other people?
 
2013-01-03 06:29:25 PM  

ultraholland: I was at the DMV and two white guys next to me were narrating the goings-on of two hispanic dudes at the teller counter. I couldn't make out everything, but it was derisive and unnecessary. I sat there reading my Tolkein, just hoping they'd directly address me with some ignorant shiat, because I ALWAYS attract the assholes who think I'm "one of them." Alas, they seemed to tone it down and kept whatever shiat they were talking to themselves. Non-story, bro.


Like honey to the flies!
 
2013-01-03 06:34:10 PM  

Xaneidolon: Something about this story bothers me and I'm not sure what it is.

In the main, things worked like they should have, I think, In a free society. I really like the notion of the group shunning the idiot and the business owner refusing service - the fact that it was a moment of real anarcho-capitalism that just flared. Notice that there was no other authority present than the collective, momentary authority of a spontaneously formed group.

I think the thing that might bother me is the reaction, too, though. While the story is not very detailed, in my ideal world, there would have been any number of compromises or bids for understanding at least. Homogenization (no pun intended) with the described banishment is less good than tacit acceptance of differences - or even a detente.

So many have commented that it would/could have played out differently in different neighborhoods and I'm okay with that on some level. What I do not want is homogenization of our culture by fiat and force. I like people having different cultures and holding different values and even having them localized to different places. This distinction of differences, respect, and detente is probably a little too nuanced to try to defend on Fark, but I'd have liked to see this have played out differently. No consensus, but coexistence.

At least the first move being something like, "I get it - you don't like gays, but buddy, you're in a pretty gay neighborhood. This is where we live and eat, etc. I don't go into your neighborhood and complain about guys in plaid shirts or dirty workboots. We'll probably never be friends, but can we agree to be civil to each other, get our pizza, and go on our separate ways?" That may or may not have been effective, but I'd like to have seen it tried - and in every appropriate case, not just this one. That, to me, is real diversity and tolerance.


You know how I can tell that you're probably not gay, a woman or a minority?
 
2013-01-03 06:40:56 PM  
What the hell is Slut Sauce?
 
2013-01-03 06:49:33 PM  
Articles like this are useful as reminders of what the world is like outside of the SF Bay Area and other select metropoli.
 
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