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(Journal News)   Suburban NY newspaper published names and addresses of gun permit holders. Some people had a problem with this, like the guy who mailed them suspicious white powder   (lohud.com) divider line 149
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2013-01-03 02:17:34 PM  

studs up: (kill people)
how'd that drop out?


Accidentally.
 
2013-01-03 02:19:21 PM  
You mean publishing names of people to publically intimidate them can lead to bad outcomes for the names listed?
 
2013-01-03 02:21:36 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Theaetetus: The proper response to that is an invasion of privacy suit

Collating and disseminating public records is an invasion of privacy?


Could well be. Bear in mind that I'm talking about the civil tort of invasion of privacy, not some criminal act.
 
2013-01-03 02:22:32 PM  
Good to see people condoning acts of domestic terrorism
 
2013-01-03 02:23:47 PM  

Doom MD: You mean publishing names of people to publically intimidate them can lead to bad outcomes for the names listed?


Ah, therein lies the problem.
 
2013-01-03 02:23:53 PM  
Would a newspaper mail themselves a suspicious white powder to create news? Surely not. I just wonder.
 
2013-01-03 02:25:02 PM  
Don't poke the hornets nest.
 
2013-01-03 02:26:18 PM  
It's not like they published a list of gun owners. They published a list of people granted permits. So some of them probably don't even have (hand)guns at this time. And lots of rifle owners aren't on the map. It's ridiculous.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:12 PM  

david_gaithersburg: jaytkay: Where's the story here?

Legal gun owners are simply responding in their typical law-abiding, responsible, calm, and rational manner.

.
The reporters at this publication are attention whores, my bet is that they mailed it to themselves.


This is why we need an "Unfunny" button.
 
2013-01-03 02:28:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Doom MD: You mean publishing names of people to publically intimidate them can lead to bad outcomes for the names listed?

Ah, therein lies the problem.


What was the tone of the original article anyway? They could have just as easily run the map with a, "See, guns are safe. Look how many responsible gun owners live amongst us without incident!" angle.
 
2013-01-03 02:28:59 PM  

meintx2001: Would a newspaper mail themselves a suspicious white powder to create news? Surely not. I just wonder.


Which is more likely?
That a newspaper would do that, risking prison time for the people involved, or some nut would do it as revenge?
 
2013-01-03 02:29:24 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they're not shy about resorting to terrorism if you disagree with their politics. Disgusting bunch of crazies that continually provide the best examples as to why gun control is needed.


Since we don't know who mailed it, couldn't it be a non gun owner pissed off about being outed as defenseless? And I'm guessing you missed the guy in the news calling for burning the NRA to the ground and killing firearm owners that won't give up their guns. Yeah, that's not wacky. LOL
 
2013-01-03 02:29:49 PM  

Cdr.Murdock: Someone associated with said newspaper sends an "envelope full of domestic terrorism" as you called it, sweetie pie. Of course it turns out to be harmless.


Look up the definition for terrorism. Try somewhere other than CNN.

Go to a bank and hand the teller a note that says you have a gun. See how the police react when they discover you're unarmed. If you're right and this isn't terrorism, they'll laugh about it and send you home.
 
2013-01-03 02:31:54 PM  

meintx2001: Since we don't know who mailed it, couldn't it be a non gun owner pissed off about being outed as defenseless?


Yes, if you don't have a gun, you are defenseless. Is that how you fairies really think? This coward just wishes they had a gun so they could be as tough as the people in the paper.
 
2013-01-03 02:32:49 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cdr.Murdock: Someone associated with said newspaper sends an "envelope full of domestic terrorism" as you called it, sweetie pie. Of course it turns out to be harmless.

Look up the definition for terrorism. Try somewhere other than CNN.

Go to a bank and hand the teller a note that says you have a gun. See how the police react when they discover you're unarmed. If you're right and this isn't terrorism, they'll laugh about it and send you home.


"The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." - While this is terrorism, your bank example is not.
 
2013-01-03 02:34:11 PM  
media.classicrockmagazine.com

Suing for definition defamation of character.
 
2013-01-03 02:38:08 PM  

Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip:

[www.daybydaycartoon.com image 575x200]


I don't even understand the punchline panel in context with the rest of the strip. Conservative "humor" strikes again.

/former semi-pro cartoonist
 
2013-01-03 02:46:27 PM  

buckler: Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip:

[www.daybydaycartoon.com image 575x200]

I don't even understand the punchline panel in context with the rest of the strip. Conservative "humor" strikes again.

/former semi-pro cartoonist


I don't think any kind of humor came anywhere close to that cartoon.
 
2013-01-03 02:46:41 PM  
I thought it was just talc for all the ass-chapping.
 
2013-01-03 02:47:29 PM  

fisker: ITGreen: fisker: [i.imgur.com image 850x648]

I just posted this in the "Predictions for 2013" topic.  Pyramids on both sides of an ocean.
[i.imgur.com image 850x247]

I mean, I never go to the sports tab, I never go to the business tab, I rarely go to the politics tab....

I think a Guns or Gun Violence tab would be extremely popular on this website.


Good calls all around, but much like the Politics tab frothy derp spill-over would continue unabated.
 
2013-01-03 02:55:15 PM  
But was it assault powder?
 
2013-01-03 03:01:45 PM  

buckler: Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip:

[www.daybydaycartoon.com image 575x200]

I don't even understand the punchline panel in context with the rest of the strip. Conservative "humor" strikes again.

/former semi-pro cartoonist


Had to check the one that preceded it for the same reason. Apparently the author is from the "two plot lines in different location with no indication of a setting change" technique. The last panel's somewhere else entirely. Apparently the other party to that conversation is funah-talkin' foreigner.
 
2013-01-03 03:05:16 PM  

david_gaithersburg: base935: Haha, some citizens allow the government to grant them a permit for a gun.

.
I'm waiting for my speech permit.


Have you completely filled out Form TPS-1138?
 
2013-01-03 03:06:22 PM  
I'll just drop this here...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-03 03:06:27 PM  

Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip:

[www.daybydaycartoon.com image 575x200]


WTF
 
2013-01-03 03:13:17 PM  

Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip:

[www.daybydaycartoon.com image 575x200]


Holy Shiat! Thank you SO much for that link. AWESOME webcomic.
 
2013-01-03 03:21:17 PM  
Clearly someone is being framed. The pro gun lobby here on Fark have assured me that all legal gun owners are model citizens, and would never do anything remotely illegal.

A legal gun owner would never do this, considering the strict controls in place to ensure that those in position of a lethal weapon are moral and stable.

/that's are strict controls in place, right?
 
2013-01-03 03:21:57 PM  

Rich Cream: It's not like they published a list of gun owners. They published a list of people granted permits. So some of them probably don't even have (hand)guns at this time.


That's *HIGHLY* unlikely. Getting a pistol permit in New York State is a long, arduous, expensive process. It requires that you pay over $100 in fees (more like $300+ in NYC), that you submit fingerprints and personal references, and then you wait months for the licensing authority to issue you one.

It's not the sort of thing you do on a whim, then decide you don't want a gun after all.

There *MAY* be some small percentage of people who have sold their guns, because they are too old, need the money, or whatever. They will be in the distinct minority, however.
 
2013-01-03 03:27:36 PM  

Begoggle: meintx2001: Would a newspaper mail themselves a suspicious white powder to create news? Surely not. I just wonder.

Which is more likely?
That a newspaper would do that, risking prison time for the people involved, or some nut would do it as revenge?


Well, the paper has already demonstrated that it's staffed by asshats with poor judgement and no regard for the safety of others and their property by publishing the list in the first place, so that sort of makes theories based on them continuing to have poor judgement and putting AWing over the welfare of others somewhat more credible.

//Publishing a list of any group's private addresses without their consent is an attempt at political intimidation at best, and honestly treating it as an implied threat of violence would not really be a mis-read of the situation, as demonstrated by the reaction of the asshats in question on the turnabout.

//Everyone involved in both sides of this shiat needs to be slapped with a fine for making public threats and told to STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-01-03 03:31:22 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]


I like this meme a lot.
 
2013-01-03 03:33:01 PM  
The crowd that takes glamor shots of their guns, that puts "This house protected by Smith & Wesson" stickers on their front doors, that poses with small arsenals and posts those pictures in social media and who insist that open carry is the way to be safe....these are the people who are mewling and whinging that someone somewhere gave away the giant "secret" that they are gun owners?

Maybe they wanna think that through before they continue with their pointless kvetching?
 
2013-01-03 03:35:56 PM  

david_gaithersburg: base935: Haha, some citizens allow the government to grant them a permit for a gun.

.
I'm waiting for my speech permit.


When is your protest march?
 
2013-01-03 03:36:18 PM  

Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I like this meme a lot.


I do to. I'd also hit that, but I'm allergic to dander and patchouli.
 
2013-01-03 03:36:48 PM  

dittybopper: There *MAY* be some small percentage of people who have sold their guns, because they are too old, need the money, or whatever. They will be in the distinct minority, however.


Ok, or a woman was being threatened, she acquired the weapon, the threat abated and she tosses the weapon because she's uncomfortable without an immediate reason for having it.
 
2013-01-03 03:37:38 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Begoggle: meintx2001: Would a newspaper mail themselves a suspicious white powder to create news? Surely not. I just wonder.

Which is more likely?
That a newspaper would do that, risking prison time for the people involved, or some nut would do it as revenge?

Well, the paper has already demonstrated that it's staffed by asshats with poor judgement and no regard for the safety of others and their property by publishing the list in the first place, so that sort of makes theories based on them continuing to have poor judgement and putting AWing over the welfare of others somewhat more credible.

//Publishing a list of any group's private addresses without their consent is an attempt at political intimidation at best, and honestly treating it as an implied threat of violence would not really be a mis-read of the situation, as demonstrated by the reaction of the asshats in question on the turnabout.

//Everyone involved in both sides of this shiat needs to be slapped with a fine for making public threats and told to STFU and GBTW.


But it wasn't political intimidation when it was done do sex offenders?

First they came for the sex offenders and I did not speak out because I was not a sex offender...
 
2013-01-03 03:39:48 PM  

Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I like this meme a lot.


Would make more sense if people got their guns from someone who makes them in a sealed off room in his basement or a shack hidden in the woods.
 
2013-01-03 03:42:19 PM  

Rich Cream: dittybopper: There *MAY* be some small percentage of people who have sold their guns, because they are too old, need the money, or whatever. They will be in the distinct minority, however.

Ok, or a woman was being threatened, she acquired the weapon, the threat abated and she tosses the weapon because she's uncomfortable without an immediate reason for having it.


Ah yes, the "because womenfolk are afraid of guns," scenario.
 
2013-01-03 03:43:46 PM  
So, gun nuts are just nuts with guns. Whodathunkit?
 
2013-01-03 03:43:57 PM  

Rich Cream: dittybopper: There *MAY* be some small percentage of people who have sold their guns, because they are too old, need the money, or whatever. They will be in the distinct minority, however.

Ok, or a woman was being threatened, she acquired the weapon, the threat abated and she tosses the weapon because she's uncomfortable without an immediate reason for having it.


I doubt this particular scenario. I know a couple of women who have gotten them for just such a reason, and it seems that the requirements, time, and effort that goes into getting one (aside from the cost of the pistol itself) makes them hold on to it.

You see, if you want to buy a handgun, you also have to get it registered on your pistol permit, which means you've got to schlepp your ass back to the pistol permit clerk in your county and get your permit amended. You also have to do this to *SELL* or otherwise dispose of your handguns. You aren't allowed to have any handgun that isn't on your permit, and you are required to actually *HAVE* the guns that are on it.

It's deliberately made to be a pain in the ass to minimize the number of people who own handguns.

A woman in that situation would likely just lock it up in a case and store it away in some out of the way place in their home, and perhaps throw out all the ammunition. Much less hassle, and if she ever feels threatened again, she can just buy more ammo.
 
2013-01-03 03:44:52 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]


Ahh, I see, the homeless ARE mentally ill.
 
2013-01-03 03:46:38 PM  

Theaetetus: Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I like this meme a lot.

Would make more sense if people got their guns from someone who makes them in a sealed off room in his basement or a shack hidden in the woods.


Or imported from another country even
 
2013-01-03 03:49:44 PM  

Theaetetus: Endive Wombat: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: I'll just drop this here...

[i.imgur.com image 391x585]

I like this meme a lot.

Would make more sense if people got their guns from someone who makes them in a sealed off room in his basement or a shack hidden in the woods.


Both of these guns were made in my father's basement:

i54.tinypic.com

He's also made modern firearms. But then again, he's a craftsman. Still, it's not difficult to make a relatively crude but effective gun with some simple tools and available materials, and it's likely to get even easier in the near future. The days when you need to be a craftsman, or even just a bit handy, to make a gun are quickly coming to an end: Printable Firearms.
 
2013-01-03 03:50:52 PM  

jaytkay: Where's the story here?

Legal gun owners are simply responding in their typical law-abiding, responsible, calm, and rational manner.


How do we know it was a gun owner?

Anyone could have found an address for one of the papers staff and done what they did with just a little research. Maybe someone had a beef with that homeowner which has nothing to do with this mess.

/If something happened to a gun owner who's address was posted, its the same defense the paper would have used.
 
2013-01-03 03:58:46 PM  
MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

Loadmaster: This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip

buckler: I don't even understand the punchline panel in context with the rest of the strip. Conservative "humor" strikes again.


The last panel is a reference to a previous strip, wherein Skye's abusive ex-boyfriend Karl threatened to come after her. That's why she bought a handgun in the first place, even though she's a liberal who opposes gun ownership.
 
2013-01-03 03:59:42 PM  

dittybopper: I doubt this particular scenario.


Tell that to women going through a divorce or child custody hearings.
 
2013-01-03 04:01:47 PM  
MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

Loadmaster: This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip: www.daybydaycartoon.com

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Holy Shiat! Thank you SO much for that link. AWESOME webcomic.


I do what I can, man.
 
2013-01-03 04:07:15 PM  
Hey, where's all the smart-asses that told me they weren't being threatened?
 
2013-01-03 04:20:10 PM  

Loadmaster: MorePeasPlease: I thought it funny when someone questioned why the paper wasn't publishing the home addresses of the armed guards it hired.

Loadmaster: This was also mentioned in today's Day By Day comic strip

buckler: I don't even understand the punchline panel in context with the rest of the strip. Conservative "humor" strikes again.

The last panel is a reference to a previous strip, wherein Skye's abusive ex-boyfriend Karl threatened to come after her. That's why she bought a handgun in the first place, even though she's a liberal who opposes gun ownership.


That's a very strange creative choice.
 
2013-01-03 04:20:18 PM  

DoctorOfLove: But was it assault powder?


No, but it looked like assault powder.
Image is everything, eh?
 
2013-01-03 04:21:23 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cdr.Murdock: Someone associated with said newspaper sends an "envelope full of domestic terrorism" as you called it, sweetie pie. Of course it turns out to be harmless.

Look up the definition for terrorism. Try somewhere other than CNN.

Go to a bank and hand the teller a note that says you have a gun. See how the police react when they discover you're unarmed. If you're right and this isn't terrorism, they'll laugh about it and send you home.


Um, that's a robbery.

The whole point being: If I mail myself a note with a "powdery white substance", or a news reporter mails himself / herself an envelope with a "powdery white substance" in it, it's not an act of terrorism.

You can't terrorize yourself. That was kinda my whole point. It may be fraud, risking a catastrophe, falsifying a police report, or maybe even mail fraud for all I know.

But, if a reporter mailed this to themselves to play the publicity whore. It's not terrorism.

Nice parting shot with the CNN comment, but I don't have cable TV. Sorry.....
 
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