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2013-01-03 12:37:55 PM  
3 votes:

LasersHurt: No, unless you WEREN'T performing a reductio ad absurdum just to discredit something instead of discussing it honestly.


No, I was performing a "dumb joke". Lighten up, Francis. Go shoot something. It'll help you relax.
2013-01-03 12:28:08 PM  
3 votes:

Teknowaffle: Fat white men who were rejected from the military?


...and have finally outgrown nunchucks.
2013-01-03 12:24:58 PM  
3 votes:
I think we should start banning everything we think other people "don't need." Who wants to go first?
2013-01-03 03:15:50 PM  
2 votes:

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2013-01-03 01:45:02 PM  
2 votes:

The_Sponge: So who are the fellow AR owners out there?

/Own a Colt LE6920 (Magpul).


I have this bad boy.  NERF.  6 shot.  Almost never jams.  If it does, I just push on the suction cup to reset the bullet.

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2013-01-03 01:15:40 PM  
2 votes:

ElBarto79: jshine: BarkingUnicorn: cr7pilot: CPT Ethanolic: cr7pilot: I own an AR-15. I'm not a survivalist or a gun nut or a hunter. I'm a guy who enjoys going out in the desert and shooting assorted targets for fun. It's really that simple. If you like shooting as a sport, the AR-15 is a lot of fun to shoot. I understand that some people don't like shooting as a sport and think "why do you need that kind of gun" but that's just because it's not their thing. AR-15 owners don't buy AR-15s because they have some inherent desire to have more "killing power."

 This is me as well.  I own some hand guns (one .45 and two 9mms) for "home defense" but I also just enjoy shooting.  I've been considering getting an AR15 for a while now.  Used to own an AK-47 and, although the ammo is damned expensive, they're fun to shoot.

Me too. I've got a .380 and a 9mm, but the AR-15 is fun to shoot on a long range. It's also handy for disposing of those leftover Halloween pumpkins...

It's good to see people admit that this hoopla is really about their 2nd Amendment right to have "fun."


The whole point of a *right* is that it exists independent of whether or not other people approve.

Similar arguments could be made about the 1st: since neo-Nazis and KKK members use their freedom of speech in ways you find objectionable, maybe we should just curtail it a little bit...

You have a right as long as doesn't infringe upon someone else in some way. You have a right to free speech but you do not have a right to slander someone or yell "fire" in a crowded theater. See the difference? In the same way if your idea of fun requires a tool which was specifically designed to kill lots of people, has few or zero practical uses that there are not better tools for and which is incredibly deadly in the wrong hands then you may be out of luck with regards to that particular kind of "fun".



Of course "Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins." (incorrectly attributed to Oliver Wendell Holmes, but still a good quote).

...so owning weapons (the right guaranteed by the Constitution) should be legal, while using them to shoot people should be illegal.
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2013-01-03 01:05:38 PM  
2 votes:
Look people, a gun is just a tool, like a guillotine or an alligator.  Do we ban alligators for biting people?
2013-01-03 12:54:38 PM  
2 votes:

HairBolus: cr7pilot: I own an AR-15. I'm not a survivalist or a gun nut or a hunter. I'm a guy who enjoys going out in the desert and shooting assorted targets for fun.

Do you actually bring targets that you shoot or do you like to pour lead into the vegetation.

In many desert areas one can find cactus, which takes a long time to grow, destroyed or full of bullet holes. I recall reading about a problem in Colorado Springs where gun owners don't like to pay for going to shooting ranges but instead go out into public woods and shoot the shiat out of trees, leaving some areas with them largely destroyed.

Sure, people with single shot guns will also shoot at trees, but they are a good bit less effective decimating the local vegetation. And no, the argument that "it will grow back" really doesn't hold water.


Wah wah wah. Some plants were damaged by people having a good time.
2013-01-03 12:53:40 PM  
2 votes:
I'm glad that an article written by someone with absolutely no training in the topic has informed me of what is and is not effective for self defense.
2013-01-03 12:35:21 PM  
2 votes:

900RR: 2nd Amendment isn't about duck hunting, dork.


Yeah. It's about a well regulated militia and grants "The People" the right to bear arms. Notice "The People" is capitalized, meaning the population as a collective, not every person.

This is exactly why gun control is not in opposition to the 2nd amendment. It is actually in perfect agreement with it.

And yes, most dudes who want an AR-15 want it because it looks like an M-16. I had one. It was cool, but if I were to hunt, I'd go with a 30-30 since the bullets look cooler.
2013-01-03 12:31:20 PM  
2 votes:
Why do the mods constantly approve gun articles from Slate? It's like constantly approving bridge construction plans written by special olympics bronze medal winners. What's the point?
2013-01-03 12:30:41 PM  
2 votes:

gregory311: I'm sure I could do some serious damage with my 300 ultramag, but no one seems interested in taking this away from me.


Duh, it's not black. It's a proven fact that a black rifle is much, much more powerful than a green one. It's like the red "R" stickers on ricers. That alone adds about 250 horsepower. Paint it black and maybe add some rails and some sort of laser. You'll see.
2013-01-03 12:30:11 PM  
2 votes:
The US Gubmint should just issue stock AR-15's to every citizen. With all the mods, and individual setups that can be had for that weapon, we'd fix our economy in no time at all.
2013-01-03 12:29:17 PM  
2 votes:

Delectatio Morosa: I think we should start banning everything we think other people "don't need." Who wants to go first?


If anything needs to banned, it's crazy people.  Let's start with Congress.
2013-01-03 12:27:58 PM  
2 votes:

Billy Bathsalt: I don't have any guns, but I think ending the War on Drug Users would easily prevent half our murders.


What kind of american are you?

Guns = good. Drugs = bad. Jeebus = good. Libs = bad.

That's all you need to know.
2013-01-03 12:17:40 PM  
2 votes:
Fat white men who were rejected from the military?
2013-01-04 05:22:40 PM  
1 votes:

Artisan Sandwich: BigNumber12: Artisan Sandwich: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you have an actual thought on the matter?

I'm one of those guys who the Government spent lots of money on, working very hard to kill as many of our Nations enemies as possible. Thunderpipes and his buds would be a VERY soft target. I encourage people out there to research the mechnics of a gun battle (not war itself, we'll start small), and then try to reconcile the vision of hunters/shooting enthusiasts winning a war against professionals who do this work for a living.

If there ever was a widespread civil unrest (as suggested by several mental masturbators in here), you don't have the autonomy and cultural/language/physical appearance protection afforded the Taliban/ Al Qaeda. It would be way too easy.

Morally, another story. But practically: way, way too easy.


What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.

Exactly what your comments make me think of.
2013-01-04 08:15:40 AM  
1 votes:

Mock26:

Given the number of military style rifles that are legally owned versus the number that are actually used in crimes (including intentional homicides) it seems to me that there is no need to restrict or ban them. They are already extremely safe in that regard.

Out of curiosity, at what point do you classify them as being too risky to the populace from unlawful use? 1 act per 1 million people? 1 act per 100 people? 1 act, period?


Given that 9/11 only killed around 3000 people out of 400+ million, why do we need to bother fighting terrorism?

Given that the Oklahoma City bombing only killed 168 people, fuel oil bombs for everyone! 168 people is nothing.

The tree of liberty must be continually watered.
2013-01-03 07:55:54 PM  
1 votes:
Anyone who uses an AR to hunt is a waste of oxygen... anyone who hunts with guns in general I lose all respect for. "Derrr I dun point and pull doo hicky and deer goes boom". If you wanna participate in a real sport or do something that actually involves skill then you would bow hunt... wusses.
2013-01-03 05:18:00 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-03 05:06:48 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-03 04:51:16 PM  
1 votes:
www.ar15.com
2013-01-03 02:43:24 PM  
1 votes:
It's all in the name...

We're possibly looking at the dawn of a new era in firearms. The terms "assault" and "tactical" have become politically charged buzzwords, and many are calling for changes. Well, I think I've found the perfect change. It's no longer an "assault" style rifle. I present...the Sport Utility Carbine.

tg3k.com

The SUC comes fully equipped with scope, iron sights, laser, flashlight, horn, rear-view mirror, and sports bottle holder. This baby's ready for some serious plinking!
2013-01-03 02:34:04 PM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: Let's be honest, we're talking about the most terrified people on the planet... people who like to fantasize about carrying around big bad-ass looking weapons to strike an imposing figure precisely because the reality of themselves is so very different.


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2013-01-03 01:59:16 PM  
1 votes:
This guy buys the AR-15:

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"I don't want to shoot holes in pieces of paper, I want to watch a watermelon be destroyed"

So before we rush to ban assault weapons, let's consider the needs of the redneck who just wants to be a deadlier version of Gallagher.
2013-01-03 01:56:08 PM  
1 votes:

JesseL: I'd love for someone to define for me in the sort of technical terms suitable for a well-written law exactly what constitutes a "military grade" rifle that is currently available to the general public, and coherently explain what about those features should make it illegal.
Bonus points if you can point to a time when civilians didn't have "military grade" firearms.

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2013-01-03 01:54:56 PM  
1 votes:

Spade: lostcat: stiletto_the_wise: lostcat: It makes me sick that I have to worry about my wife and/or daugther being randomly gunned down in the street by some lunatic stranger who is just having a bad day, or doesn't give a shiat about the world.

The chances of that happening are miniscule--less than the chance that both your wife and daughter get struck by lightning at the exact same time.

We're talking orders of magnitude less than their very real chance of being killed in a car accident. I'd pick something better to worry about.

Tell that to the parents of the 20 dead kids...

Awe, appeal to emotion. That's cute.


Emotion...yes...Maybe you should look into it. It's the thing that makes you imagine a bullet entering the cowering back of a terrified six-year-old girl every time you pull the trigger on your COOL GUN TOY!
2013-01-03 01:54:17 PM  
1 votes:

rufus-t-firefly: BgJonson79: technicolor-misfit: BgJonson79: technicolor-misfit: Teknowaffle: Fat white men who were rejected from too chickenshiat to join the military?


Let's be honest, we're talking about the most terrified people on the planet... people who like to fantasize about carrying around big bad-ass looking weapons to strike an imposing figure precisely because the reality of themselves is so very different.

Practically every gun nut I know is either a doughy nerd who's still nursing grudges about being a bullied outcast in school or a paranoid who obsesses about unrealistic threats they imagine lurking around every corner.


Sure, you can argue about the meaning of "well-regulated" at the time the amendment was written...but then you might have to address the meaning of "arms" at that time. And the fact that they don't say what KIND of arms - perhaps halberds? And the fact that it doesn't say "any and all arms," just "arms." I don't see anyone demanding to end the ban on civilian-owned machine guns and rocket launchers. Why not? WHY DO YOU HATE THE SECOND AMENDMENT?!?!

Let's just stick with the Founders' intention and say everyone has a right to own blunderbusses and muskets - let's throw in flintlock pistols as well.


Actually, in 18th century language, "keep and bear arms" means military weapons of all types, including artillery. The People (as in Senate and People of Rome) were the propertied white men, who retained the right to collectively keep arsenals in order to fight Injuns and slave revolts, because they didn't want to be dependent on/subject to a standing federal army.

Pretty much a moot point, now.
2013-01-03 01:50:20 PM  
1 votes:

The_Sponge: ElBarto79: Putting assault rifles in the hands of citizens means that some of them will inevitably use them to kill people. That might be acceptable if assault rifles were necessary for some purpose and they were the best, or only, tool for the job. Cars can be used to kill people, but we need cars to get around, so we legalize them and try to make them as safe as possible.

Assault rifles are dangerous, unnecessary and serve no practical purpose that there are not already better and safer tools available for. Therefore we should ban them as an issue of public safety.


Well f*ck it....let's ban all firearms that are "meant to kill".


Personally I would be in favor of banning semi-automatic weapons entirely. Bolt action rifles, pump action shotguns and revolvers and that's it. But banning assault weapons is a good start.
2013-01-03 01:37:13 PM  
1 votes:

Pink Splice: 900RR: Wolf_Blitzer: cr7pilot: Me too. I've got a .380 and a 9mm, but the AR-15 is fun to shoot on a long range. It's also handy for disposing of those leftover Halloween pumpkins...

I enjoy shooting too, and have fired my friend's AR-15 a couple times, but do people honestly believe our entertainment freedom justifies twenty dead six-year-olds?

Absolutely.

Thread over. You can keep your weapons, and be forced to admit that you are evil. Win/Win for both sides.


I pretty much have to agree with this. If you want to cling to devices designed to kill, and are willing to admit that it's because deep down inside you feel scared and powerless, so you are willing to embrace evil in order to feel a bit safer...then sure, keep your guns. But I reserve the right to look down on you and your pitiful crutch.
2013-01-03 01:36:34 PM  
1 votes:

lostcat: stiletto_the_wise: lostcat: It makes me sick that I have to worry about my wife and/or daugther being randomly gunned down in the street by some lunatic stranger who is just having a bad day, or doesn't give a shiat about the world.

The chances of that happening are miniscule--less than the chance that both your wife and daughter get struck by lightning at the exact same time.

We're talking orders of magnitude less than their very real chance of being killed in a car accident. I'd pick something better to worry about.

Tell that to the parents of the 20 dead kids...


Tell them what? That they don't understand statistics and probability?
2013-01-03 01:31:37 PM  
1 votes:

Cymbal: Pretty small sacrifice to make on your part actually.


You're over 1,500 miles from me, and I can still smell your bullshiat.
2013-01-03 01:21:23 PM  
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: H31N0US: david_gaithersburg: Perhaps the first amendment should be tightly regulated too. He way not apply the mental evaluation to it and put Fark our of business.

The first amendment makes no mention of regulation. The second amendment does.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If "the people" can own guns, how do you justify denying them to me? Am I not a person?

See above.
Not every moron in this country gets to own a gun, and nor should every kind of gun be available to the general public. There really isn't an argument here.

There isn't an argument here, because you didn't even bother to look up what "well regulated" meant when the 2nd amendment was written. Here, let me show you yet another reason why you're wrong.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.



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And yet, it doesn't seem to be in very good working order, now does it?
2013-01-03 01:14:34 PM  
1 votes:

Cymbal: Dimensio: Cymbal: Wow, don't think I've ever seen so many NRA schills in one thread before.

Really wish you gun nuts could just all have fun with paintball instead. Would be a lot less senseless deaths. But that will never happen because you slack-jawed troglodytes have to be the most selfish and degenerate subhuman wasted of life assholes to ever live.

Do you have any rational commentary to offer, or are you relying upon ad hominem attacks due to an awareness that you advocate a position devoid of any intellectual merit?

See my comments up thread. AR-15 and guns like it should only be available to rent at shooting ranges, period.


So your answer is "no", you have no rational commentary to offer. Thank you for your honest admission.
2013-01-03 01:11:22 PM  
1 votes:

MrSteve007: While it isn't an AR-15, I've found that an amazing target shooter is an SKS with a scope. After a couple thousand rounds, I have yet to have it jam on me. Loading the clips, with the scope, however isn't all that fun.
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A 10/22 with an aftermarket 50-round mag . . . good luck getting 10 rounds through without a jam. The OEM magazine works well though.
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/similar, but also not mine.


Nice!

I changed the stock and grips of my SKS and added a Leupold - thing is fun as hell to shoot. The original wood stocks were made for really short people. And, oh, everybody run! I have 30 round clips for it, too! Look out!
2013-01-03 01:11:17 PM  
1 votes:

Cymbal: Wow, don't think I've ever seen so many NRA schills in one thread before.

Really wish you gun nuts could just all have fun with paintball instead. Would be a lot less senseless deaths. But that will never happen because you slack-jawed troglodytes have to be the most selfish and degenerate subhuman wasted of life assholes to ever live.


Let us know when you take up that crusade against alcohol. It kills 80,000 people every year, far more than guns do, and it serves no purpose other than "having fun".
2013-01-03 01:07:03 PM  
1 votes:

derpy:  AR-15 is attractive the same sort of douche that would buy a Corvette. Or a Hummer.

Got it.


because you having a different opinion than someone automatically means they're wrong and should be stripped of their rights.

Got it.
2013-01-03 01:05:45 PM  
1 votes:

technicolor-misfit: Thunderpipes: technicolor-misfit: Teknowaffle: Fat white men who were rejected from too chickenshiat to join the military?


Let's be honest, we're talking about the most terrified people on the planet... people who like to fantasize about carrying around big bad-ass looking weapons to strike an imposing figure precisely because the reality of themselves is so very different.

Practically every gun nut I know is either a doughy nerd who's still nursing grudges about being a bullied outcast in school or a paranoid who obsesses about unrealistic threats they imagine lurking around every corner.

These are NOT Steve Rogers-types eager to rush into the fray of battle to test their mettle and unfortunately held back by physical misfortune. These are LARPers who want to play dress up as far away from the field of actual battle as possible.

You are a liberal, you don't know any gun nuts. You fantasize about them.


I was born and raised in Alabama, dumbshiat.


You don't know any gun nuts. No gun nut would associate with a liberal crybaby pants.
2013-01-03 01:04:31 PM  
1 votes:

Kit Fister: abhorrent1: the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly.

BS. The kid on (I think it's called) Yukon Men, uses an AR to hunt. He got a caribou and a bear with it on the few episodes I've seen.

Another thing I find amusing is the caricature that hunters using an AR and army surplus gear when they hunt are somehow different than more traditional hunters. I'm sorry, since when did I have to fill your Fudd-esque image of what a hunter is to be a hunter? Am i out to kill an animal? Am I going to do so in a safe, humane way? Well then, shut the hell up, I'll wear a goddamn clown suit if it pleases me.


At least you would be less likely to get shot by accident by another hunter if you were wearing the clown suit.
2013-01-03 01:03:53 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-03 01:00:30 PM  
1 votes:

Nattering Nabob: I have an AR-15 type rifle. If it would bring back those 20 kids, you can have it. If taking it will keep another 20 alive, you can have it. The problem is, it won't. The Sandy Creek shooter (we should not use their names and give them the satisfaction of knowing they will be famous), had two handguns with him that were perfectly capable of doing the exact same damage in the same amount of time. Take away the rifle and even cut the magazine capacities on the handguns down to 10 and he could have done the same thing in the same amount of time. How long do you think it takes to drop a mag out of a handgun and pop in another while kids are cowering in closets? We like to believe we can fix all problems if we just pass a smart law. You may have noticed that is not working out so well for us.


Part of California's firearms restrictions are that a magazine is no longer considered "detachable" if it requires a tool to be removed. If firearms were modified to take ten seconds with an allen wrench to switch mags, combined with a limit on capacity, I think that would go a long way to minimizing the damage from lone crazies, while still retaining use of the weapons for defensive purposes.
2013-01-03 12:59:25 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: TheOther: The_Sponge: TheOther: then for every assault rifle the government 'confiscates', let the government supply either a hunting rifle or shotgun (sporting or home defense - owner's choice).

How about no?

Why not?

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And look where it got him... :)

In all seriousness, believing that the second amendment is important and believing in regulation of gun ownership are not mutually-exclusive. It says "well-regulated" right there in the amendment.

We don't let people buy fully-automatic weapons willy-nilly. There's no reason to assume that the willy-nilly sale of semi-automatics should be any more permissible or desirable.

I'm not for a ban, but I'd be all for putting semi-autos on a higher tier that required more stringent evaluation for purchase and regulation.of manufacture/sale.

/cue someone pointing out that Oswald used a bolt-action rifle
2013-01-03 12:58:43 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Perhaps the first amendment should be tightly regulated too. He way not apply the mental evaluation to it and put Fark our of business.


The first amendment makes no mention of regulation. The second amendment does.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If "the people" can own guns, how do you justify denying them to me? Am I not a person?


See above.
Not every moron in this country gets to own a gun, and nor should every kind of gun be available to the general public. There really isn't an argument here.
2013-01-03 12:58:19 PM  
1 votes:

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: you have pee hands: kombat_unit: Here is an excellent article explaining why 2A ain't about "Bambi and burglars" Link

If by "excellent" you mean "laughably naive masturbatory fantasy", than sure.  Disorganized rabble with AR-15s is no more of a threat to the authoritarian government takeover strawman than disorganized rabble with M1 Garands or 30-06 deer rifles.  Let's see someone try to take out an A-10, an F-18, or an Abrams with one.  And I'd bet that same guy didn't have the same outrage over warrentless wiretapping, unlimited detention without trial, and various other abuses of power by the US Government that are actually real.

This, that that and that.

People making the "defense from the government" argument are idiots, unless they go all the way and argue they should also have equal access to ALL modern arms. "Arms" is not limited to "guns". If it is, then the entire spirit of the 2nd Amendment is rendered obsolete by modern reality, and the pro-gun crowd making that distinction are thus undermining their own cause.

To expand on that, there are really two choices:
Either
1) the 2nd Amendment is about "bambi and burglars", and thus it is perfectly reasonable to put a limits/controls on the types of guns available, or
2) the 2nd Amendment is about maintaining the ability to fight the government, which breaks down into 2 sub-choices...
2a: eliminate ALL restrictions on ALL weaponry or
2b: the entire Amendment is outdated and irrelevant and was effectively undone long ago by reality


OR...
2) it really is limited to a well regulated militia.
2013-01-03 12:57:48 PM  
1 votes:
Rather own my AR-15 than my neighbors goofy looking Prius. Then again I'm not trying to take away his car because is scares me and I dont like it
2013-01-03 12:50:54 PM  
1 votes:
My only worry is that if the day comes, and I can barely imagine it, where the American military turns it's guns on us, and we don't have guns; What then?

What if 30 years down the line any foreign power anywhere is taken over by raving lunatics, who, in turn, invade our now gunless country?

It is incredible the world we live in, everybody has the power to change the world with bullets.
I think everyone should have firearms training.
I think everyone should be a government employee.
I think prisoners(those who commit against a human) should work much harder than they do, lifers to clean haz-mat/superfund sites.
I think people should perform for mastery instead of money.
I think fistfighting should be decriminalized.
I think I could use natural ways to bring everyone free utilities.
I think fossil fuels should be used for transportation only, but when you buy a car you have plant and manage your carbon offset.

Instead of talking about gun-control, lets talk about people control?

I think I should run for President!
2013-01-03 12:48:50 PM  
1 votes:

NFA: Well, since the AR15 (semi-auto version of the M16) isn't useful for hunting or defense, I suppose our military will abandon it immediately?  I mean if it's useless for hunting, then you couldn't possibly go out in the field and hunt 200 lb humans in the Jungle or anywhere else, Right?  Or if it's useless for defense they will start using something else to protect themselves?  Defense forces around the world use the full auto version of the AR-15 as a standard of protection.  Will this be going away because some clueless writer thinks the firearm doesn't have merit?

I know people who hunt with the AR15 and are quite successful with it.  Saying it isn't useful as a hunting gun is an outright lie.  Saying that a M4 version of an AR15 can't be used for defense is an outright lie.  The AR15 didn't cause these crimes.  Mental illness caused these crimes.  Take away the AR-15 and they'll use AK-47's.  Take those away and they'll use shotguns, take those away and they'll use AR-7's.  Doesn't it make sense to seek out and treat mentally ill people?  What if Adam Lanza carried two 30 lb bottles of propane into the basement of the school, screwed a transfer adapter into the valve and released 60 lbs of propane into the basement and then lit a lighter?  The entire school would have likely been destroyed with all the children in it.  Thank god it chose the less deadly method of using a firearm.  Or what if he packed a backpack with four 5lb bags of flour and an electric fan, snuck into the school and plugged the fan into back of an auditorium (or the basement) and dumped the flour into the fan then lit a lighter?  Ever heard of a grain silo explosion?  Grain dust explosions are absolutely devastating.  Hundreds of people would die.  Should we ban propane because it's TOO DANGEROUS?  Should we ban flour because it's TOO DANGEROUS?  See my point?  There will ALWAYS be something available to mentally ill people.

Vilifying the method of killing is just a ploy to start down the sl ...


I'm just looking for a place to sell me 155mm HEAT rounds. Make this T72 purchase seem a little less foolish, and keep those damn kids out of my yard.
2013-01-03 12:48:41 PM  
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2013-01-03 12:47:20 PM  
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SacriliciousBeerSwiller: ultraholland: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Apparently works well for children, too. Keep on grasping.

oh cool, emotion reality!

FTFY.

But, fyi, emotion is the basis of all law.


Must be why we're so farked.
2013-01-03 12:47:05 PM  
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Has anyone defined "military-style" yet? Because every journalist on earth is using this term, but none so far have been able to articulate what makes a gun "military-style" besides describing how scary it looks to them.

I could hand these bozos an AR-15 with a nice polished wood stock and they'd think it's a beautiful, safe, deer hunting rifle.
2013-01-03 12:45:32 PM  
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SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Apparently works well for children, too. Keep on grasping.

oh cool, emotion!
2013-01-03 12:43:23 PM  
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Doom MD: Facepalm article.

It's popular and underpowered, so people with guns should be forced to buy more powerful and less popular guns. Ok then.


Its only good for small varmits, target shooting and clearing kindergarten classes. Record numbers are being purchased. For which of those 3 reasons remains to be seen.
2013-01-03 12:41:11 PM  
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H31N0US: 900RR: 2nd Amendment isn't about duck hunting, dork.

Yeah. It's about a well regulated militia and grants "The People" the right to bear arms. Notice "The People" is capitalized, meaning the population as a collective, not every person.

This is exactly why gun control is not in opposition to the 2nd amendment. It is actually in perfect agreement with it.

And yes, most dudes who want an AR-15 want it because it looks like an M-16. I had one. It was cool, but if I were to hunt, I'd go with a 30-30 since the bullets look cooler.


Are you saying that if it wasn't capitalized, you'd agree it refers to individual rights?
2013-01-03 12:40:00 PM  
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SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. You could use that argument to eliminate literally every law on the books


Actually, the argument that the supreme court uses to claim states cannot have religious displays or make laws regarding religion would, if applied, ban all state laws not set in the Constitution. Essentially, they argue that the 14th amendment specifies in the "Incorporation Clause" that states may not pass any laws which restrict an individual's rights further than the Constitution allows for in general--that is, that if the Constitution does not provide for the Federal Government to do a thing, then it does not allow for the States to do a thing.

The Constitution does not allow the Federal Government to set speed limits.
2013-01-03 12:36:51 PM  
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abhorrent1: the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly.

BS. The kid on (I think it's called) Yukon Men, uses an AR to hunt. He got a caribou and a bear with it on the few episodes I've seen.


Another thing I find amusing is the caricature that hunters using an AR and army surplus gear when they hunt are somehow different than more traditional hunters. I'm sorry, since when did I have to fill your Fudd-esque image of what a hunter is to be a hunter? Am i out to kill an animal? Am I going to do so in a safe, humane way? Well then, shut the hell up, I'll wear a goddamn clown suit if it pleases me.
2013-01-03 12:36:07 PM  
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"A well educated House of Representatives, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed."

Do you believe this sentence says that only government officials can own and read books?
2013-01-03 12:34:50 PM  
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abhorrent1: the AR-15 Is Useful for Hunting and Home Defense. Not Exactly.

BS. The kid on (I think it's called) Yukon Men, uses an AR to hunt. He got a caribou and a bear with it on the few episodes I've seen.


You can drive across the country in a rusted out Yugo, if you want, but it doesn't mean it's the right tool for the job.
2013-01-03 12:31:04 PM  
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The_Sponge: bluefoxicy: or how bad-ass you'd look with a pump-action shotgun (name's Ash. Housewares.)

Allow me to be a movie/gun nerd for a moment:

Ash didn't have a pump-action...he had a double barrel.  In "Army of Darkness", he claims it is a Remington, but it's actually a Stoeger Coach Gun.

/Own one.


Shop smart. Shop..... S-Mart.
2013-01-03 12:25:59 PM  
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bluefoxicy: or how bad-ass you'd look with a pump-action shotgun (name's Ash. Housewares.)


Allow me to be a movie/gun nerd for a moment:

Ash didn't have a pump-action...he had a double barrel.  In "Army of Darkness", he claims it is a Remington, but it's actually a Stoeger Coach Gun.

/Own one.
2013-01-03 12:23:12 PM  
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Not any good for defense? Then why do the police have them? Offensive purposes?
2013-01-03 12:21:46 PM  
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Teknowaffle: Fat white men who were rejected from the military?


Why does it have to be a white man? Racist.

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2013-01-03 12:20:10 PM  
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Article sort of misses the point... The AR-15 is not necessarily absolutely ideal for hunting of home defense, but it's quite good for either. It's a single, versatile platform. Good home defense ammo is available. It's highly maneuverable-- sorry, TFA is just plain wrong about that. It's highly accurate. In short, if you can only afford one quality rifle, it may be a great choice for you. On the other hand, if you're hunting big game (elk, moose, blue whales), you're going to have to shell out for something more potent.
2013-01-03 12:19:30 PM  
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Short version:

Gun nuts are all over the AR-15 because banning guns is bad. They're making up all kinds of dumb justifications about how the AR-15 is a hunting rifle somehow. Target practice with an AR-15 is valid--recreational shooting is a real thing.

Liberal nanny-pants are focused on how many crazy loons have used the AR-15 style rifle as a murder weapon in mass shootings. This is primarily because it looks bad-ass and sociopaths have this internal image they try to execute. The AR-15 is primarily a munitions weapon, and they believe all semi-automatics are munitions.

The flaws here are glaring. AR-15 sucks for hunting. AR-15 is not the only semi-auto--take any pistol, especially revolvers. Semi-auto isn't the best or only way to kill a bunch of people in a crowd--consider pipe bombs, or how bad-ass you'd look with a pump-action shotgun (name's Ash. Housewares.). Repeating weapons are common, full-auto is relatively harmless (really, you're going to pop-pop-pop into a crowd, people will die; if you spray bullets like mad, each individual will take MANY more bullets, but overall effectiveness isn't greatly increased) but AR-15 isn't a fully-auto weapon--mentioned because people are afraid of bad-assery like fully auto rock-'n'-roll mode rifles.

Everybody in this argument is stupid.
2013-01-03 12:18:49 PM  
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Who are we kidding here?

Newtown will bring back the assault weapons ban. Deep down the NRA knows this, but must maintain a "hell no" stance just for image, but they will relent on this one.

And that's it.

Way too much money and power to be relinquished for any meaningful change.

And school security will continue to consist of crossing fingers.
2013-01-03 12:18:48 PM  
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" ...able to penetrate both sides of a standard Army helmet at 500 meters rifle..."

With or without a head inside?

And why are we creating guns designed to shoot through our own soldiers helmets?
2013-01-03 12:18:17 PM  
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Facepalm article.

It's popular and underpowered, so people with guns should be forced to buy more powerful and less popular guns. Ok then.
2013-01-03 12:17:23 PM  
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I own an AR-15.

I support gay rights, healthcare reform, I'm not religious, I'm pro-abortion, I think "preppers" (I hate even typing the word) and people who say "SHTF" are usually weird if not idiots.

But DURR, they're only owned by rednecks and criminals.

Around TWENTY TIMES more people die to handguns than rifles. Rifle deaths a year amount in the low hundreds. Handgun deaths amount to 6000 odd. Both numbers are dropping.

But let's go batshiat insane over one particular type of rifle.
2013-01-03 12:17:04 PM  
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In before the whiny anti-gun nuts who think the mere act of holding a gun makes one a psychopathic killer.
2013-01-03 12:13:49 PM  
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But AR-15s look just like the military model PEW PEW PEW YEEHAW gunnuh shoot them commies up just like ol Schwartenaggur used tah do!

They just wants to take away our cool looking guns so that we'll be a bunch of sissies when they come git us and take us away!
2013-01-03 12:12:19 PM  
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cr7pilot: CPT Ethanolic: cr7pilot: I own an AR-15. I'm not a survivalist or a gun nut or a hunter. I'm a guy who enjoys going out in the desert and shooting assorted targets for fun. It's really that simple. If you like shooting as a sport, the AR-15 is a lot of fun to shoot. I understand that some people don't like shooting as a sport and think "why do you need that kind of gun" but that's just because it's not their thing. AR-15 owners don't buy AR-15s because they have some inherent desire to have more "killing power."

 This is me as well.  I own some hand guns (one .45 and two 9mms) for "home defense" but I also just enjoy shooting.  I've been considering getting an AR15 for a while now.  Used to own an AK-47 and, although the ammo is damned expensive, they're fun to shoot.

Me too. I've got a .380 and a 9mm, but the AR-15 is fun to shoot on a long range. It's also handy for disposing of those leftover Halloween pumpkins...


It's good to see people admit that this hoopla is really about their 2nd Amendment right to have "fun."
2013-01-03 12:06:06 PM  
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doglover: So we should consider banning the AR-15 because they sell well and are popular with shootists?

Okay then...


LOL!  Let's make them sound all sophisticated and elegant!  "Shootists" is like calling a pool player a "cueist."
2013-01-03 11:47:07 AM  
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CPT Ethanolic: cr7pilot: I own an AR-15. I'm not a survivalist or a gun nut or a hunter. I'm a guy who enjoys going out in the desert and shooting assorted targets for fun. It's really that simple. If you like shooting as a sport, the AR-15 is a lot of fun to shoot. I understand that some people don't like shooting as a sport and think "why do you need that kind of gun" but that's just because it's not their thing. AR-15 owners don't buy AR-15s because they have some inherent desire to have more "killing power."

 This is me as well.  I own some hand guns (one .45 and two 9mms) for "home defense" but I also just enjoy shooting.  I've been considering getting an AR15 for a while now.  Used to own an AK-47 and, although the ammo is damned expensive, they're fun to shoot.


Me too. I've got a .380 and a 9mm, but the AR-15 is fun to shoot on a long range. It's also handy for disposing of those leftover Halloween pumpkins...
2013-01-03 11:27:04 AM  
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But the AR-15 is not ideal for the hunting and home-defense uses that the NRA's Keene cited today. Though it can be used for hunting, the AR-15 isn't really a hunting rifle. Its standard .223 caliber ammunition doesn't offer much stopping power for anything other than small game. Hunters themselves find the rifle controversial, with some arguing AR-15-style rifles empower sloppy, "spray and pray" hunters to waste ammunition.

While I do agree that it is not very well suited for hunting standard game, I did watch one tear though almost a dozen hogs in around 2 minutes. We've got a huge hog problem at our deer lease and one of the guys on the lease brought his son's AR-15 to see if he could pop a couple. My uncle and I are sitting around the fire pit when we heard 1 shot. Then about 5 minutes later we heard about 20 shots in a row. The guy with the AR radios us and tells us to come to his blind. He's got around 10 hogs on the ground, all dead. Said the first shot actually got 3 of them (they lined up perfectly), then about 5 minutes later a whole drove of them come to his blind and he just opened up on them.

Yea it's an anecdotal CSB, but I have seen their uses beyond just murder machines.
 
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