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(ESPN)   Sounds like Andy Reid is very close to signing with KC Chiefs. Mr. Arthur Bryant may be a deciding factor   (espn.go.com) divider line 79
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2013-01-03 11:45:46 AM
Byrant's is my least favorite KC BBQ place.

Good hire if the Chiefs get him. Does this mean Pioli  can get shiatcanned now?
 
2013-01-03 01:41:57 PM
So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?
 
2013-01-03 01:46:24 PM

OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?


A lot of the time the coach gets fired because the team is not performing more because they just need to make "some" kind of change, not that the coach is necessarily "bad".   I mean, Reid took a team to the Super Bowl.  Lovie Smith got fired at the end of a 10-6 season.    There are reasons why they got let go, but, there are just as many reasons why they'll be unemployed for less than a month,
 
2013-01-03 02:14:28 PM

mitchcumstein1: Byrant's is my least favorite KC BBQ place.

Good hire if the Chiefs get him. Does this mean Pioli  can get shiatcanned now?


Second, although the original on 18th and Vine isn't bad.

This definitely means that Pioli is out. Multiple sources (NFL Network and CBS sports, primarily) are saying that Reid called himself and the ex-Browns GM as a package deal. Woo hoo!

I have to give Clark Hunt a TON of credit here. He closed arguably the best offensive-minded head coach on the market before he could get to his other interviews. Andy Reid School of Clock Management jokes aside, I'm excited about this.
 
2013-01-03 02:16:33 PM

dletter: OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?

A lot of the time the coach gets fired because the team is not performing more because they just need to make "some" kind of change, not that the coach is necessarily "bad".   I mean, Reid took a team to the Super Bowl.  Lovie Smith got fired at the end of a 10-6 season.    There are reasons why they got let go, but, there are just as many reasons why they'll be unemployed for less than a month,


Also see Belichick at Cleveland, Coughlin at Jacksonville, Tony Dungy, Dick Vermiel, etc. Something like 10 of the last 16 Super Bowl winners have been coaches on their second/third HC gig.
 
2013-01-03 02:16:35 PM

OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?


See also CEOs......that worked out great for our economy!
 
2013-01-03 02:16:58 PM

dletter: OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?

A lot of the time the coach gets fired because the team is not performing more because they just need to make "some" kind of change, not that the coach is necessarily "bad".   I mean, Reid took a team to the Super Bowl.  Lovie Smith got fired at the end of a 10-6 season.    There are reasons why they got let go, but, there are just as many reasons why they'll be unemployed for less than a month,


Lovie got sacked because he was 7-1 at the start of the season, and ended 10-6.
 
2013-01-03 02:19:58 PM
As a Bronco's fan I welcome the pairing of Pioli/Reid. That brain trust is a surefire winner.
 
2013-01-03 02:22:52 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: dletter: OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?

A lot of the time the coach gets fired because the team is not performing more because they just need to make "some" kind of change, not that the coach is necessarily "bad".   I mean, Reid took a team to the Super Bowl.  Lovie Smith got fired at the end of a 10-6 season.    There are reasons why they got let go, but, there are just as many reasons why they'll be unemployed for less than a month,

Also see Belichick at Cleveland, Coughlin at Jacksonville, Tony Dungy, Dick Vermiel, etc. Something like 10 of the last 16 Super Bowl winners have been coaches on their second/third HC gig.


Yup. Head coaches that get rehired somewhere else and do well tend to come from teams that have ownership and GM organizational issues rather than head coach issues.
 
2013-01-03 02:23:44 PM
Oh please oh please Tebow above make this happen!

/Raiders fan
 
2013-01-03 02:27:16 PM
Pioli won't be the brains of anything if this goes through. It will be the Reid show top to bottom.

Is that a good thing? Probably. He's ten times the coach they've had since Vermiel. They have several good players, despite the hilarity at their number of pro bowlers. They easily could have had two more in Houston and Flowers.

Should be interesting. The Reid ambush is the most aggressive the Chiefs have been about ANYTHING in ages.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:21 PM
Arizona got used as a barganing chip? because Reid rather go to KC???

Dude, that's gotta sting!
 
2013-01-03 02:27:55 PM
He heard the Chiefs had a can't miss defensive player

unfortunately, he didn't hear the part about it being in regards to Jovan Belcher's head
 
2013-01-03 02:28:53 PM
Just a bit of information that may or may not be of interest to your average Farker:

Andy Reid is, of course, LDS. What makes this interesting is that Kansas City is in Jackson County, Missouri, which features prominantly in early LDS history. Joseph Smith said in 1831 that one day, Jackson County would become the site of a "New Jerusalem"


Kansas City just opened its LDS Temple 7 months ago... and now Andy Reid may be moving there.

COINCIDENCE?!?!?!??!?!
YOU decide.
 
2013-01-03 02:30:49 PM

mikaloyd: Oh please oh please Tebow above make this happen!

/Raiders fan


Heh. The Broncos guy can make this crack. The Raiders are likely to end up chasing far worse coaches within the month, and would have killed for Reid.
 
2013-01-03 02:33:24 PM
if this is who they want, they should have Taken him to OK Joes for ribs and either Gates or Haywards for burnt ends. And if they had the time, run by Jack Stack for a side of BBQ beans.
 
2013-01-03 02:33:46 PM
This would actually be good news for KC fans.
 
2013-01-03 02:34:21 PM

SkylineRecords: dletter: OSULugan: So I never understood why a head coach that gets fired for not performing with one team is instantly the top contender to be hired by another team. Do they expect him to magically get better at coaching?

A lot of the time the coach gets fired because the team is not performing more because they just need to make "some" kind of change, not that the coach is necessarily "bad".   I mean, Reid took a team to the Super Bowl.  Lovie Smith got fired at the end of a 10-6 season.    There are reasons why they got let go, but, there are just as many reasons why they'll be unemployed for less than a month,

Lovie got sacked because he was 7-1 at the start of the season, and ended 10-6.


Two seasons in a row.
I would hire Lovie Smith or Andy Reid and probably Ken Whisenhunt.  As for the other guys that got let go - I would not.

Jeff Fisher was doing bad in Tennessee, but you can see him turning the Rams around already.
 
2013-01-03 02:35:57 PM

rtaylor92: if this is who they want, they should have Taken him to OK Joes for ribs and either Gates or Haywards for burnt ends. And if they had the time, run by Jack Stack for a side of BBQ beans.


and cheesy corn, don't forget the cheesy corn.
 
2013-01-03 02:40:49 PM

mitchcumstein1: Byrant's is my least favorite KC BBQ place.

Good hire if the Chiefs get him. Does this mean Pioli  can get shiatcanned now?


People always used to shiat on KC Masterpiece for being "tourist BBQ", but that title belongs to Bryant's IMO.

Word is Reid wants to bring in one of his boys currently in Cleveland for the GM (don't recall the name). Pioli being out the door if Reid is hired has seemed to be the narrative from the beginning.
 
2013-01-03 02:46:15 PM

mitchcumstein1: rtaylor92: if this is who they want, they should have Taken him to OK Joes for ribs and either Gates or Haywards for burnt ends. And if they had the time, run by Jack Stack for a side of BBQ beans.

and cheesy corn, don't forget the cheesy corn.


I'll probably regret asking, but what is cheesy corn?
 
2013-01-03 02:47:02 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: I have to give Clark Hunt a TON of credit here. He closed arguably the best offensive-minded head coach on the market before he could get to his other interviews. Andy Reid School of Clock Management jokes aside, I'm excited about this.


My opinion of Hunt has risen dramatically over the past few days. This is a guy that, a couple months ago, we weren't even sure cared enough/was paying enough attention to make any of the necessary changes. That he not only took charge of this, top to bottom, but might be able to get arguably the marquee HC hire inside of 48 hours, I think says a lot.
 
2013-01-03 02:48:30 PM

jayhawk88: mitchcumstein1: Byrant's is my least favorite KC BBQ place.

Good hire if the Chiefs get him. Does this mean Pioli  can get shiatcanned now?

People always used to shiat on KC Masterpiece for being "tourist BBQ", but that title belongs to Bryant's IMO.

Word is Reid wants to bring in one of his boys currently in Cleveland for the GM (don't recall the name). Pioli being out the door if Reid is hired has seemed to be the narrative from the beginning.


DAMNIT!

Don't you silly KC fans know that the Patriot Way takes time! Don't abandon Pioli now, for he is your path to the promised land!

/Broncos fan
 
2013-01-03 02:49:02 PM

rtaylor92: And if they had the time, run by Jack Stack for a side of BBQ beans.


Oh. Fark. Yes. Had those for the first time the weekend of the Chefs/Donks game, went back two weeks later for the Mecum auction and had to have them again. Ended up doing the mail order thing and giving bottles of sauce and quarts of baked beans out as xmas gifts. I have a pint of them, along with a cheesy corn bake in my freezer.

davidphogan: I'll probably regret asking, but what is cheesy corn?


Cheesy corn bake. Think scalloped potatoes, with more cheese, and corn.
 
2013-01-03 02:49:54 PM

SlothB77: I would hire Lovie Smith or Andy Reid and probably Ken Whisenhunt. As for the other guys that got let go - I would not


Agreed with the caveat that I'd hire Whisenhunt if my QB situation was settled. As long as he doesn't have to make a decision or seven there, I think he's fine. In other words, get on it Chicago. Plus I'd hire some of the other guys as coordinators, especially Norv and Gailey.

Back to the topic at hand, I think this is a massive upgrade for the Chiefs. The fact that Andy didn't win Super Bowls doesn't make him a bad coach. My main concern is that the best thing about the Chiefs' offense is the running back, and we all know that Andy can be pass-happy. We'll see how that goes.
 
2013-01-03 02:51:03 PM
That's nice and all, but I gotta read about some wins online before I am going to gamble 4 hours of my Sunday away...
 
2013-01-03 02:51:13 PM

davidphogan: I'll probably regret asking, but what is cheesy corn?


Heaven.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:06 PM
So, expect Jamaal Charles to inexplicably only get 10-15 carries a game.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:18 PM

jayhawk88: Incorrigible Astronaut: I have to give Clark Hunt a TON of credit here. He closed arguably the best offensive-minded head coach on the market before he could get to his other interviews. Andy Reid School of Clock Management jokes aside, I'm excited about this.

My opinion of Hunt has risen dramatically over the past few days. This is a guy that, a couple months ago, we weren't even sure cared enough/was paying enough attention to make any of the necessary changes. That he not only took charge of this, top to bottom, but might be able to get arguably the marquee HC hire inside of 48 hours, I think says a lot.


Word. Till he took charge Monday I saw him as disinterested owner.
 
2013-01-03 02:52:27 PM

FreakinB: SlothB77: I would hire Lovie Smith or Andy Reid and probably Ken Whisenhunt. As for the other guys that got let go - I would not

Agreed with the caveat that I'd hire Whisenhunt if my QB situation was settled. As long as he doesn't have to make a decision or seven there, I think he's fine. In other words, get on it Chicago. Plus I'd hire some of the other guys as coordinators, especially Norv and Gailey.

Back to the topic at hand, I think this is a massive upgrade for the Chiefs. The fact that Andy didn't win Super Bowls doesn't make him a bad coach. My main concern is that the best thing about the Chiefs' offense is the running back, and we all know that Andy can be pass-happy. We'll see how that goes.


Easy, he will trade his first round, #1 pick, to SF for Smith.
 
2013-01-03 02:55:21 PM

Killer Cars: So, expect Jamaal Charles to inexplicably only get 10-15 carries a game.


As opposed to the unstoppable Brian Daboll-led offensive juggernaut that was this past season? I'll take it.

/Jamaal is awesome.
 
2013-01-03 02:55:43 PM

Killer Cars: So, expect Jamaal Charles to inexplicably only get 10-15 carries a game.


He will, however, get 15 passing targets as well.
 
2013-01-03 02:55:58 PM

madgonad: FreakinB: SlothB77: I would hire Lovie Smith or Andy Reid and probably Ken Whisenhunt. As for the other guys that got let go - I would not

Agreed with the caveat that I'd hire Whisenhunt if my QB situation was settled. As long as he doesn't have to make a decision or seven there, I think he's fine. In other words, get on it Chicago. Plus I'd hire some of the other guys as coordinators, especially Norv and Gailey.

Back to the topic at hand, I think this is a massive upgrade for the Chiefs. The fact that Andy didn't win Super Bowls doesn't make him a bad coach. My main concern is that the best thing about the Chiefs' offense is the running back, and we all know that Andy can be pass-happy. We'll see how that goes.

Easy, he will trade his first round, #1 pick, to SF for Smith.


Eventually all of the pieces fall into place.
^Now stop putting this in script on you bedroom walls!^
 
2013-01-03 02:58:58 PM
Sign Reid.
Fire Pioli.
Trade second round draft pick to Washington for Kirk Cousins or to Seattle for Matt Flynn or to SF for Alex Smith.
Draft T'eo.

Go 6-10 in 2013.
 
2013-01-03 03:00:46 PM

FreakinB: Back to the topic at hand, I think this is a massive upgrade for the Chiefs. The fact that Andy didn't win Super Bowls doesn't make him a bad coach. My main concern is that the best thing about the Chiefs' offense is the running back, and we all know that Andy can be pass-happy. We'll see how that goes.


I'd say the fact that he's a bad coach makes him a bad coach. He's also a poor evaluator of talent. Look at what happened to him after McNabb started to decline and Ray Rhodes' defensive talent was ushered out the door. Reid was in the right place at the right time - taking over a team with offensive issues and fantastic young defensive talent - and hit on Donovan McNabb. He's a terrible game day coach to boot. He might be a good OC if he's not calling the plays, but as a head coach he's extremely overrated, just like his mentor.
 
2013-01-03 03:01:12 PM

TheOther: Arizona got used as a barganing chip? because Reid rather go to KC???

Dude, that's gotta sting!


It's pretty warm in Arizona if you're Andy's size, and the BBQ isn't as good.

/also he wants total control, which probably teams shouldn't give him
 
2013-01-03 03:01:19 PM

FreakinB: Back to the topic at hand, I think this is a massive upgrade for the Chiefs. The fact that Andy didn't win Super Bowls doesn't make him a bad coach. My main concern is that the best thing about the Chiefs' offense is the running back, and we all know that Andy can be pass-happy. We'll see how that goes.


Charles is great, no question, but you have to be able to pass the ball effectively in the NFL today to win, no matter how good your running game is. It's just a fact. We're quickly approaching a point where having a quality TE is more important than a RB, let alone WR's and QB's.

And let's keep in mind, McCoy has been a thousand yard back twice in the past three years (probably would have been this year had he not gotten hurt), and Brian Westbrook was 1200+ yards twice in his career, and 800+ two other times. In a West Coast offense no less. People get all hung up on individual games when Reid has been pass happy and ignore the overall trend.
 
2013-01-03 03:02:36 PM

you have pee hands: TheOther: Arizona got used as a barganing chip? because Reid rather go to KC???

Dude, that's gotta sting!

It's pretty warm in Arizona if you're Andy's size, and the BBQ isn't as good.

/also he wants total control, which probably teams shouldn't give him


i.imgur.com

/made this in the other thread
 
2013-01-03 03:07:53 PM

Mateorocks: Sign Reid.
Fire Pioli.
Trade second round draft pick to Washington for Kirk Cousins or to Seattle for Matt Flynn or to SF for Alex Smith.
Draft T'eo.

Go 6-10 in 2013.


I'd probably be OK with Cousins or Flynn, but Alex Smith is damaged goods. It's like no one remembers the first 5 years of this cats career. Dude was having the best year of his career, with one of the best defenses and special teams in the league, and STILL couldn't keep his job from Kaepernick. Smith is going to get a contract from someone this year, for sure, and is then going to fall completely off a cliff.
 
2013-01-03 03:08:08 PM

thecpt: you have pee hands: TheOther: Arizona got used as a barganing chip? because Reid rather go to KC???

Dude, that's gotta sting!

It's pretty warm in Arizona if you're Andy's size, and the BBQ isn't as good.

/also he wants total control, which probably teams shouldn't give him



/made this in the other thread


Bleh, hope not. KC Masterpiece sucks.
 
2013-01-03 03:13:02 PM

jayhawk88: People always used to shiat on KC Masterpiece for being "tourist BBQ", but that title belongs to Bryant's IMO.


It's only famous because back in the day it was right next to the baseball stadium. There are several places in KC that are much better, IMO.
 
2013-01-03 03:16:04 PM

jayhawk88: Mateorocks: Sign Reid.
Fire Pioli.
Trade second round draft pick to Washington for Kirk Cousins or to Seattle for Matt Flynn or to SF for Alex Smith.
Draft T'eo.

Go 6-10 in 2013.

I'd probably be OK with Cousins or Flynn, but Alex Smith is damaged goods. It's like no one remembers the first 5 years of this cats career. Dude was having the best year of his career, with one of the best defenses and special teams in the league, and STILL couldn't keep his job from Kaepernick. Smith is going to get a contract from someone this year, for sure, and is then going to fall completely off a cliff.


Meh, Smith was in a really bad situation his first few years. A new coordinator and new offense every year, shiatty O-Lines, just not a good environment. I'm willing to give him a mulligan on those seasons. And he was good the past couple of years in an Alex Smithy sort of way. He's a game manager. Nothing wrong with it, but if a guy like Kaepernick is ready to go than you make the change.

I think there are few teams that would improve with Alex Smith. KC is one. The Jets are another.
 
2013-01-03 03:16:28 PM
If KC Masterpiece is tourist BBQ (I agree) then Arthur Bryant's is "legacy" BBQ. It's good, and miles above anything I've found after moving to Columbus, OH but that's where my grandpa used to take my dad when he was a kid. There are better choices out there. I miss the way Hayward's used to be. OK, I guess that makes me old too.
 
2013-01-03 03:17:33 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: This definitely means that Pioli is out. Multiple sources (NFL Network and CBS sports, primarily) are saying that Reid called himself and the ex-Browns GM as a package deal. Woo hoo!


That's interesting, actually. That points to something else that Philly fans have wondered about - Tom Heckert (who I assume you're talking about) was forced out of the Eagles a few years ago, probably not by Reid, but by Joe "Cap Specialist" Banner. Who, I might add, got booted from the Eagles before this season, ended up at Cleveland, and just fired Heckert again.
 
2013-01-03 03:17:49 PM
Alex Smith screams "holding pattern" on the first year to me.
 
2013-01-03 03:19:45 PM

Mateorocks: Sign Reid.
Fire Pioli.
Trade second round draft pick to Washington for Kirk Cousins or to Seattle for Matt Flynn or to SF for Alex Smith.
Draft T'eo.

Go 6-10 in 2013.


YES PLEASE

/Broncos fan
 
2013-01-03 03:20:19 PM

Joe_diGriz: Incorrigible Astronaut: This definitely means that Pioli is out. Multiple sources (NFL Network and CBS sports, primarily) are saying that Reid called himself and the ex-Browns GM as a package deal. Woo hoo!

That's interesting, actually. That points to something else that Philly fans have wondered about - Tom Heckert (who I assume you're talking about) was forced out of the Eagles a few years ago, probably not by Reid, but by Joe "Cap Specialist" Banner. Who, I might add, got booted from the Eagles before this season, ended up at Cleveland, and just fired Heckert again.


Schefter is saying that John Dorsey from Green Bay is a possibility as well.
 
2013-01-03 03:33:19 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7515572/81653882#c81653882" target="_blank">Killer Cars</a>:</b> <i>So, expect Jamaal Charles to inexplicably only get 10-15 carries a game.</i>

Charles has averaged 12 carries a game over his career.
 
2013-01-03 03:33:28 PM
one trip through the american royal...he will be a happy man for the next 14 years.
 
2013-01-03 03:37:21 PM
why wouldnt you want to go to kc, they seem to have a lot of talent defensively and some stud offensive players and the coach can at least try to get his guy as qb, as opposed to having to work with someone elses guy.

and you get around 2 years to build before anyone is going to expect results.

/I like KC for Reid
//igges didnt deserve him
 
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