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2013-01-03 01:12:10 PM  
Well, au revoir... Ne laissez pas la porte vous frappez à la sortie.
 
2013-01-03 01:36:43 PM  
So he's quitting Paris and the Côte d'Azur for Russia. Êtes-vous sérieux? Permettez-moi de rire plus fort.
 
2013-01-03 02:20:47 PM  
Well I'll give him credit, he didn't surrender.
 
2013-01-03 02:21:34 PM  
Wow, he's also giving up his French citizenship? I get the publicity of it, but to actually do it? What happens when Russia starts "requesting" its citizens to join the army or something insane? What if he goes broke somehow??

On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.
 
2013-01-03 02:25:23 PM  
You're pissed off about taxes and how your nation is impinging on your freedom and you choose to switch your citizenship to Russia?

I suppose his accountant never figured in the 'your ass just got kidnapped and we want a ransom' tax.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:55 PM  
Good for him. I hope more rich people complaining about taxes give up their home citizenship and move to russia.
 
2013-01-03 02:28:41 PM  
I think the interesting thing about this is that Putin has the power to just declare someone a russian citizen. I don't think even the U.S. president has that sort of power.
 
2013-01-03 02:30:20 PM  

Paris1127: Well, au revoir... Ne laissez pas la porte vous frappez à la sortie.


"Well, goodbye ... Do not let the door hit you in the output."
 
2013-01-03 02:35:12 PM  

sure haven't: On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.


Two things. First: French President Francois Hollande plans to raise the tax on earned income above (euro)1 million ($1.3 million) to 75 per cent from the current 41 per cent, while Russia has a flat 13-per cent tax rate. I'm not completely sure on French tax systems, but under the US system, that would mean the only money hit by the 75% rate is the money after your first million, not your entire income.

So if the rate for below a million was say 10%, then the math would work out like this:
Say you make 1 million in a year; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% = 100,000.
Say you make 2 million; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% (1st million) + 1,000,000 * 75% (2nd million) = 850,000
It would NOT be 2,000,000 *75 = 1,500,000.

Of course the whole argument is moot since secondly the 75% rate has already been biatchslapped down by a judge.
 
2013-01-03 02:35:36 PM  
Nice try subby, but that doesn't parse...

Depardieu -> Deparbog
 
2013-01-03 02:36:29 PM  
"Well, goodbye ... Do not let the door hit you in the output."


It says "Romans go home."
 
2013-01-03 02:36:35 PM  

Blathering Idjut: I think the interesting thing about this is that Putin has the power to just declare someone a russian citizen. I don't think even the U.S. president has that sort of power.


our constitution puts naturalization and immigration in the hands of congress.
 
2013-01-03 02:37:56 PM  
Better dead than red
 
2013-01-03 02:39:02 PM  
"Nationality?"
"13%"
 
2013-01-03 02:41:04 PM  
Pretty sure Russia is the only country with enough room to fit that fat fark.
 
2013-01-03 02:45:31 PM  

Karac: sure haven't: On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.

Two things. First: French President Francois Hollande plans to raise the tax on earned income above (euro)1 million ($1.3 million) to 75 per cent from the current 41 per cent, while Russia has a flat 13-per cent tax rate. I'm not completely sure on French tax systems, but under the US system, that would mean the only money hit by the 75% rate is the money after your first million, not your entire income.

So if the rate for below a million was say 10%, then the math would work out like this:
Say you make 1 million in a year; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% = 100,000.
Say you make 2 million; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% (1st million) + 1,000,000 * 75% (2nd million) = 850,000
It would NOT be 2,000,000 *75 = 1,500,000.

Of course the whole argument is moot since secondly the 75% rate has already been biatchslapped down by a judge.


Ahhhh shiat yes that's right thank you. Forgot about the "taxable up to your first $x".

/need more coffe or something
 
2013-01-03 02:47:00 PM  
Dunno if I'd want to do to Russia, but I suppose anywhere is pretty nice if you have a lot of money. I can't say I'd stay in a place that had a 75% tax rate, rich or not, thats my money. The outflow of money leaving France would be interesting to measure.
 
2013-01-03 02:48:15 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Paris1127: Well, au revoir... Ne laissez pas la porte vous frappez à la sortie.

"Well, goodbye ... Do not let the door hit you in the output."


farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2013-01-03 02:48:33 PM  
I guess it's all about money. If there was ever a nation that contributed more to the advancement of humanity in countless ways, it would have to be France.

It's pretty sad an actor who earned a good life and had a great career turns his back on his country simply because of money.

But I did say he was an actor. So that explains a lot.

Max Bialystock: *hands Franz a bunch of dollar bills* Go, Franz! Buy bullets! Kill the actors!
Franz: Kill the actors? I can't kill the actors. I must destroy the actors.
Leo Bloom: You can't kill the actors. Actors are not animals! They're human beings!
Max Bialystock: They are? Have you ever eaten with one?
 
2013-01-03 02:54:08 PM  
He'll be treated better than the average Russian citizen. You know, like Oswald.
 
2013-01-03 03:11:36 PM  
Does he need dual Russian citizenship, since he's obviously far exceeding the weight limit?
 
2013-01-03 03:14:33 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-03 03:21:16 PM  

sure haven't: Karac: sure haven't: On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.

Two things. First: French President Francois Hollande plans to raise the tax on earned income above (euro)1 million ($1.3 million) to 75 per cent from the current 41 per cent, while Russia has a flat 13-per cent tax rate. I'm not completely sure on French tax systems, but under the US system, that would mean the only money hit by the 75% rate is the money after your first million, not your entire income.

So if the rate for below a million was say 10%, then the math would work out like this:
Say you make 1 million in a year; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% = 100,000.
Say you make 2 million; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% (1st million) + 1,000,000 * 75% (2nd million) = 850,000
It would NOT be 2,000,000 *75 = 1,500,000.

Of course the whole argument is moot since secondly the 75% rate has already been biatchslapped down by a judge.

Ahhhh shiat yes that's right thank you. Forgot about the "taxable up to your first $x".

/need more coffe or something


Also, extremely high tax rates like that have happened before in the US. Around WW1, the top-tier rate was 77% (lowest tier was 4%). The top-tier was cut down to 24% after Andrew Mellon became Secretary of the Treasury, but jumped back up to 80% in the wake of the Depression.

/you learn some interesting things Wiki-searching the historical characters of 'Boardwalk Empire'
 
2013-01-03 03:22:27 PM  
%75!!!!!! n'est c'est pas vrai?
 
2013-01-03 03:22:53 PM  
In Frenchie Russia, taxes pay you.
 
2013-01-03 03:27:27 PM  
Leaving a prison for another.
 
2013-01-03 03:33:52 PM  
Dommage, dommage.
 
2013-01-03 03:35:59 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: I guess it's all about money. If there was ever a nation that contributed more to the advancement of humanity in countless ways, it would have to be France.

2.bp.blogspot.com



RoyFokker'sGhost: Also, extremely high tax rates like that have happened before in the US. Around WW1, the top-tier rate was 77% (lowest tier was 4%). The top-tier was cut down to 24% after Andrew Mellon became Secretary of the Treasury, but jumped back up to 80% in the wake of the Depression.

/you learn some interesting things Wiki-searching the historical characters of 'Boardwalk Empire'


The rates may have been that high, but no one actually paid them because they were so easy to evade. Actual taxes paid were a lot lower for people in those tax brackets.
 
2013-01-03 03:38:23 PM  
Since Fark threw the link away...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732470510457815160155498 2 808.html
 
2013-01-03 03:39:13 PM  

Hydra: Boudica's War Tampon: I guess it's all about money. If there was ever a nation that contributed more to the advancement of humanity in countless ways, it would have to be France.

notsureifserious.jpg


Somebody had to provide the motivation to invent deodorant.
Also, french fries.
 
2013-01-03 03:44:43 PM  
subby,

would have preferred

Gerard Depardieu, Gerard Depardov (or perhaps, Depardievsky)
 
2013-01-03 04:58:05 PM  
Up to this point, nobody has mentioned how difficult the Russian language is. Он действительно будет изучать русский язык?

Frenchman please!
 
2013-01-03 05:46:39 PM  

Karac: sure haven't: On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.

Two things. First: French President Francois Hollande plans to raise the tax on earned income above (euro)1 million ($1.3 million) to 75 per cent from the current 41 per cent, while Russia has a flat 13-per cent tax rate. I'm not completely sure on French tax systems, but under the US system, that would mean the only money hit by the 75% rate is the money after your first million, not your entire income.

So if the rate for below a million was say 10%, then the math would work out like this:
Say you make 1 million in a year; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% = 100,000.
Say you make 2 million; your taxes are 1,000,000 * 10% (1st million) + 1,000,000 * 75% (2nd million) = 850,000
It would NOT be 2,000,000 *75 = 1,500,000.

Of course the whole argument is moot since secondly the 75% rate has already been biatchslapped down by a judge.


Basically, yes, the tax system here in France works on marginal rates.

But - and this is a Kardashian-sized but - the calculation of taxable income doesn't work quite the same as in the States. In the US, taxes are usually all calculated against gross income (IIRC, it's been a while since I owed to Uncle Same). So it's X% to Social Security, Y% to municipal tax, Z% to state, calculate federal taxes against your (adjusted) gross income, etc.

Whereas in France, one's taxable income for income tax purposes is calculated on what's left after payroll withholdings for social security, medical, retirement, etc. are taken out. Once you have those withholdings gone, you take your standard deduction from what's left, and child/charity/mortgage/etc. deductions from what's left after that, and then you calculate your income tax liability.

It can be a substantial difference, maybe ten or twenty thousand Euros between your gross pay and your "taxable" income for the purposes of the income tax depending on your deductions. That said, the brackets ramp up pretty damned quickly, but nobody cares what I think about that. So on the whole the taxes are somewhat higher here than in the States (offer void in New York, New Jersey, and most of New England), but on the other hand property taxes and the like are, within the city of Paris at least, really rather low and the municipal services are quite good in my experience.

That said, I can kinda understand where the guy is coming from - as much as I really can understand the opinions of someone who's making enough money to be in such a stratospheric tax bracket. There is a rather antagonistic relationship between the political left and the wealthy here, a sort of a mirror image of the plutocrat-fellating that the GOP loves to do over in the States. So I suppose I can understand why the guy would pull up stakes for somewhere friendlier.

Though I wonder if he's considered the fact that Russian citizens don't get visa waivers to enter France, and in fact have to apply for visas every time they visit. It could be problematic when immigration decides that, like the US, they won't grant visas or leave to enter to tax dodgers; doubly-so for someone who's built his career in no small part on his Frenchitude.
 
2013-01-03 06:01:13 PM  

Paris1127: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Paris1127: Well, au revoir... Ne laissez pas la porte vous frappez à la sortie.

"Well, goodbye ... Do not let the door hit you in the output."

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x281]


Apparently, you don't speak Google Translate.

Or have a sense of humor.
 
2013-01-03 07:12:33 PM  

sure haven't: Wow, he's also giving up his French citizenship? I get the publicity of it, but to actually do it? What happens when Russia starts "requesting" its citizens to join the army or something insane? What if he goes broke somehow??

On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.


That rate is nothing, as I recall either Norway or Sweden, back in the 1970's, did away with any concept of a maximum tax rate (which, at the time, was 95%)... and then proceeded to assess the richest man in the country a tax rate of 491% (yes, four-hundred and ninety-one percent) on his then-current-year's income. Thankfully they came to their senses and realized that taxing anyone at such a ridiculous rate would convince anyone making real money that leaving the country was the only sensible thing to do.
 
2013-01-03 07:20:16 PM  

sure haven't: Wow, he's also giving up his French citizenship? I get the publicity of it, but to actually do it? What happens when Russia starts "requesting" its citizens to join the army or something insane? What if he goes broke somehow??

On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.


They did raise them to 75% on incomes over some amount but it was shot down by their courts.

It's still somethng like 50% uju
 
2013-01-03 07:23:19 PM  

gorgon38: Dunno if I'd want to do to Russia, but I suppose anywhere is pretty nice if you have a lot of money. I can't say I'd stay in a place that had a 75% tax rate, rich or not, thats my money. The outflow of money leaving France would be interesting to measure.


Not sure what you'd want to do to Russia either :-)

I assume you meant 'go'

Nothing says he has to go live in Russia. He can live anywhere and just have a Russian passport.
 
2013-01-03 07:27:34 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Paris1127: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Paris1127: Well, au revoir... Ne laissez pas la porte vous frappez à la sortie.

"Well, goodbye ... Do not let the door hit you in the output."

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 500x281]

Apparently, you don't speak Google Translate.

Or have a sense of humor.


I do. And yes I do. I was just being thorough. I'm surprised that Google Translate doesn't offer exit/way out as an alternate translation for "sortie".
 
2013-01-03 07:35:59 PM  

Carth: Good for him. I hope more rich people complaining about taxes give up their home citizenship and move to russia.


Then who will pay for all of your "free" government crap?
 
2013-01-03 08:04:40 PM  

Hydra:


RoyFokker'sGhost: Also, extremely high tax rates like that have happened before in the US. Around WW1, the top-tier rate was 77% (lowest tier was 4%). The top-tier was cut down to 24% after Andrew Mellon became Secretary of the Treasury, but jumped back up to 80% in the wake of the Depression.

/you learn some interesting things Wiki-searching the historical characters of 'Boardwalk Empire'

The rates may have been that high, but no one actually paid them because they were so easy to evade. Actual taxes paid were a lot lower for people in those tax brackets.


Of, of course. Mellon was one of the first advocates of lowering taxes to increase revenue via making the taxes more attractive to pay. I think that the article I read said that after a few years of the lower rate in place, something like 65% of the Federal Revenue came from those making more than $300,000 (1920's money), where before, it had been at best 20% Federal Revenue from that bracket.

/all hail the mighty Wikipedia
 
2013-01-03 11:11:34 PM  
Liberté, égalité, Fraternité .?

One out of three ain't bad? No true Frenchman, you.
 
A7
2013-01-04 02:00:35 AM  
For over 100 years the US ignored patents (and profited) and became a 'tax haven' to the productive of the world...
Guess what? There are hundreds of countries that qualify as 'tax havens' today for anyone in Europe and North America with the cojones to leave....

And yes, we are relocating, President Barry "choom gang" Obama.

Thank you so much for encouraging liberty by your fascist policies.
 
2013-01-04 04:23:06 AM  
Aww, subby, don't let 'em get you down.

I grinned.
I felt ignorant after I read the thread, but I grinned initially at the headline. ;)
 
2013-01-04 06:36:42 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon: It's pretty sad an actor who earned a good life and had a great career turns his back on his country simply because of money.


His country turned its back on him when it raised his taxes.
 
2013-01-04 06:37:27 AM  

DrPainMD: Boudica's War Tampon: It's pretty sad an actor who earned a good life and had a great career turns his back on his country simply because of money.

His country turned its back on him when it raised his taxes.


This is what stupid people believe.
 
2013-01-04 07:36:55 AM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Carth: Good for him. I hope more rich people complaining about taxes give up their home citizenship and move to russia.

Then who will pay for all of your "free" government crap?


Oh you think they are going to get to take their money with them? Then maybe a 90% exit tax on total wealth will do.
 
2013-01-04 10:59:17 AM  

Carth: Otto_E_Rodika: Carth: Good for him. I hope more rich people complaining about taxes give up their home citizenship and move to russia.

Then who will pay for all of your "free" government crap?

Oh you think they are going to get to take their money with them? Then maybe a 90% exit tax on total wealth will do.


Yes, because a man who works all his life, and employees others so that they may provide for their families, deserves to be punished by taking away that which he has earned simply for having the audacity to have achieved success. Enjoy your life of envy, dependency and quiet desperation.
 
2013-01-04 01:57:19 PM  

sure haven't: Wow, he's also giving up his French citizenship? I get the publicity of it, but to actually do it? What happens when Russia starts "requesting" its citizens to join the army or something insane? What if he goes broke somehow??

On the other hand, is France seriously proposing raising taxes on rich people to 75%?? I'm not a rich person, I don't even really know what capital gains taxes are, but to me that sounds a little too high. Like holy f*ck, that's disney robin hood-level taxes.


Back in the 50s & early 60s, the tax rate in the US was 90% on rich people. A wet dream for Democrats of today.

And when Reagan took office, the top rate was in the 70% range.

Both are rates that Democrats dream of today.
 
2013-01-06 02:28:30 PM  

Otto_E_Rodika: Yes, because a man who works all his life, and employees others so that they may provide for their families, deserves to be punished by taking away that which he has earned simply for having the audacity to have achieved success. Enjoy your life of envy, dependency and quiet desperation.


Too bad that never happens. Inheritance anyone?
 
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