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2013-01-03 11:27:59 AM  

Ring of Fire: Tecnically guns have hammers and its what makes them work.


Technically most of my guns don't have hammers.

/firing pins
 
2013-01-03 11:28:23 AM  

Boudica's War Tampon:
Could we stop with the defining of terms and just get down to name-calling and other insults.


there is the possibility that this could turn into an all out hammer porn thread. people could list all the hammers they own, what they've built with them, post pictures of their hammers and accessories and have lively discussions on the merits of framing-vs-sledge.
 
2013-01-03 11:29:16 AM  
Also, more people were killed by cars than by assault rifles. Given Fartbunger's stimulus money for mass transit, it's pretty obvious.... HE'S TRYING TO GRAB YOUR CAR!

Stop that usurping Car Grabber! Contact (insert soulless lobbying group for the auto industry that is the equivalent of the NRA) right now!
 
2013-01-03 11:29:31 AM  
How many people are seduced by misleading vividness?
 
2013-01-03 11:29:35 AM  

LRA61380: That's just a shiatty comparison, not a false equivalence.


and cherry picking to boot.
 
2013-01-03 11:29:36 AM  

bartink: I'm not clicking that link. Someone wanna summarize the nonsense contained?


According to the FBI more people are killed by "blunt weapons" (not just hammers and clubs) than "rifles" therefore banning rifles is unconstitutional.

I'm not kidding about the last part either. The article straight up says The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional.
 
2013-01-03 11:30:09 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Also, more people in the US died in meat processing accidents than with fully automatic M-16s. Thererfore, canned ham and hot dogs should be banned and confiscated and the M-16 should be made availabe to all patriotic American patriots.


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2013-01-03 11:30:11 AM  
Oh my - I can hardly believe my good fortune! It's YET ANOTHER gun thread!
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2013-01-03 11:30:41 AM  
headline is correct, we don't have an ennumerated right to hammers
 
2013-01-03 11:30:51 AM  
...Seriously?

"OMG rifles aren't a problem! They only kill 2/3 of the people that blunt objects do every year!"
 
2013-01-03 11:30:54 AM  
So what's the highest body count from a hammer attack?
 
2013-01-03 11:30:58 AM  

drewsclues: "Man, fark a charge, this here's a gun powder activated, 27 caliber, full auto, no kickback, nail-throwing mayhem man. shiat right here's tight."


How my hair look, Mike?
 
2013-01-03 11:31:02 AM  

gilgigamesh: LRA61380: That's just a shiatty comparison, not a false equivalence.

Its also a strawman because he's actually selectively comparing deaths with rifles, and I don't think I've heard anyone actually suggest rifles should be banned.


Sadly, that's only evidence that you haven't paid close enough attention to the news. The Illinois legislature now has two bills submitted that effectively ban any firearms more recent than flintlocks, including rifles.
 
2013-01-03 11:31:12 AM  

Cdr.Murdock: St_Francis_P: [cdn103.iofferphoto.com image 582x817]

STOP! RIFLE TIME!!!


Hahahahaha
 
2013-01-03 11:31:18 AM  
gilgigamesh


Its also a strawman because he's actually selectively comparing deaths with rifles, and I don't think I've heard anyone actually suggest rifles should be banned.


Guess you've missed the last 20 years of Dianne Feinstein's legislative career. Granted most of her proposals don't get very far.
 
2013-01-03 11:31:35 AM  
That . You go out and hammer nails with it all day...come back and it'll cut dead center on target every time. It's got a really nice action to it and a heck of a wallop.

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2013-01-03 11:31:37 AM  

bartink: I'm not clicking that link. Someone wanna summarize the nonsense contained?


Here is the link he includes to the source fbi data. Here is some BJS data with a longer time frame, but it doesn't break guns into as many categories.
 
2013-01-03 11:32:11 AM  

Brick-House: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 655x294]


Oh look.  A pretend Dewalt nail gun.

/Snopes is your friend
 
2013-01-03 11:32:37 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Yes, but how many hammers have killed 20 6 year olds in less then two hours?


Hammers? None. Gasoline, knives, and tractors, on the other hand....
 
2013-01-03 11:33:23 AM  

bartink: I'm not clicking that link. Someone wanna summarize the nonsense contained?


You do not need someone to summarize an article from Breitbart, American Thinker, Townhall, WND, or the Blaze. Mainly because I've never seen a green where the entire article wasn't contained in the headline.

In this case: some FBI report said that more people are killed with hammers than assault rifles. You can fill in the rest of the article (libby libs, Obama's a gungrabbing debil, MORE JEBUS) yourself, and probably much more eloquently than the author did.
 
2013-01-03 11:33:35 AM  
That's why I lock up all my hammers in my hammer safe. And I always store the hammer ammo seperately and keep my hammers unloaded.
 
2013-01-03 11:33:48 AM  

the_geek: Ring of Fire: Tecnically guns have hammers and its what makes them work.

Technically most of my guns don't have hammers.

/firing pins


Mine has a cock:

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2013-01-03 11:35:11 AM  
I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.
 
2013-01-03 11:35:27 AM  
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a hammer, is a good guy with a hammer.
 
2013-01-03 11:35:58 AM  

you have pee hands: The US has a higher murder rate with knives than the UK, too.  We just like murder.



It's almost like there's some *other* factor in society which makes us more violent per capita. Something which creates more people on the margins of society for various reasons. Something which might impact the access to care that folks who are mentally unbalanced might need, or might keep milions of people more desperate and struggling to get by. What ever could it be...
 
2013-01-03 11:36:44 AM  

Saners: I'm not kidding about the last part either. The article straight up says The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional.


The reality is that some jackass made the news for killing a bunch of kids and people are acting as if low powered semi-automatic rifles are some new plague that is bringing about the end of times. The fact of the matter is that day is a statistical anomaly. A horrible, terrifying statistical anomaly, but one nonetheless. Your kids are not more or less safe at school than they were six months ago or six years ago. Actually, they're more safe today than they were six years ago since all forms of violent crimes, including gun crimes, have been on the decline for decades. 20 kids die of preventable accidents every day. It's sad, but it happens. We don't suddenly live in a world where we need armed guards at every school or peoples' constitutional rights need to be diminished. It happened, it's horrible, let's make sure we have a plan in place at your local school, perhaps enact policies such as auto-locking internal doors or something.

After 9/11 we did some smart things like reinforced cockpit doors. We also did some stupid things like warrantless wiretaps and feeling up grandmas at the airport. Let's all take a deep breath, take a moment to grieve, and make a sensible response to this tragedy.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:27 AM  
I heard there are 40,000 Warhammers.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:37 AM  

dittybopper: Slaves2Darkness: Yes, but how many hammers have killed 20 6 year olds in less then two hours?

Hammers? None. Gasoline, knives, and tractors, on the other hand....


Sounds pretty inefficient. Those guys should have used guns to increase their kill ratio.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:41 AM  
I use a Plumb 160z for home defense.
 
2013-01-03 11:37:49 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


I see only 1 retard here, the one who thinks he sees retards advocating for gun bans.

I just scanned the thread - it's mainly snark.

But try again, trisomy 21.
 
2013-01-03 11:38:02 AM  

gerrymander: gilgigamesh: LRA61380: That's just a shiatty comparison, not a false equivalence.

Its also a strawman because he's actually selectively comparing deaths with rifles, and I don't think I've heard anyone actually suggest rifles should be banned.

Sadly, that's only evidence that you haven't paid close enough attention to the news. The Illinois legislature now has two bills submitted that effectively ban any firearms more recent than flintlocks, including rifles.


Wow, Illinois has gone full retard. Classy to twist Heller as the justification for this. Not a snowball's chance in hell this doesnt get struck down by the supreme court.
 
2013-01-03 11:38:32 AM  
Hammers have other uses; guns don't (except practicing to murder scores).
 
2013-01-03 11:38:33 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


Checks (2 month old) profile. Temporarily blinded by staring straight into derp supernova.

Laughs nervously.
 
2013-01-03 11:38:46 AM  

dittybopper: Slaves2Darkness: Yes, but how many hammers have killed 20 6 year olds in less then two hours?

Hammers? None. Gasoline, knives, and tractors, on the other hand....


As a matter of pedantry, none of those attacked meet the requirements of the original poster.
 
2013-01-03 11:39:14 AM  
Alright everyone, repeat after me.

Everything can be used as a weapon. There is no way you are going to stop people from killing each other. It is human nature.

What happens when you take away anything remotely dangerous?
See Kung Fu
 
2013-01-03 11:39:25 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


You're right, we should ban bombings, poisoning the water supply, driving through a playground, and chopping people up with machetes too.

And hammers, obviously.
 
2013-01-03 11:40:19 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china


Hmmm, no. If you're talking about the newest NRA hero Lanza, he was quite intent on using a gun. Even went to buy one then balked at the two week waiting list. Easier to just grab his retarded prepper mom's guns. Good thing she trained him to be responsible with firearms.
 
2013-01-03 11:40:22 AM  

DeathCipris: Alright everyone, repeat after me.

Everything can be used as a weapon. There is no way you are going to stop people from killing each other. It is human nature.

What happens when you take away anything remotely dangerous?
See Kung Fu


Is it wrong that I want to see a grown man stroll into a school and try to kung-fu everybody to death?

No. It's not wrong. Because it would be comical as all hell, I'm certain.
 
2013-01-03 11:41:50 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


1. Gonna teach himself how to make a bomb without killing himself?
2. Then why has it never happened? (quantity)
3. Better dodge the playground equipment!
4. How many people did it kill?

Fact remains, if those things were just as easy, the killers would use them. By logical extension, removing the easiest to use killing devices lowers the about of killings.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:23 AM  

Saners: bartink: I'm not clicking that link. Someone wanna summarize the nonsense contained?

According to the FBI more people are killed by "blunt weapons" (not just hammers and clubs) than "rifles" therefore banning rifles is unconstitutional.

I'm not kidding about the last part either. The article straight up says The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional.


Actually, a ban on rifles *IS* unconstitutional, just like a ban on handguns is:

The District's total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of "arms" that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition - in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute - would fail constitutional muster. DC v. Heller.

Any attempt to ban even some subclass of rifles is likely to fail simply because if they are useful for lawful purposes and if they are commonly used, then a ban on them is unconstitutional. Using production and import figures, you can put a lower bound on the number of "assault weapons" in use today, and you can show that they are commonly used for self-defense purposes, for target shooting, and increasingly (especially guns chambered in 7.62x39mm) for hunting.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:42 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: DeathCipris: Alright everyone, repeat after me.

Everything can be used as a weapon. There is no way you are going to stop people from killing each other. It is human nature.

What happens when you take away anything remotely dangerous?
See Kung Fu

Is it wrong that I want to see a grown man stroll into a school and try to kung-fu everybody to death?

No. It's not wrong. Because it would be comical as all hell, I'm certain.


I am also certain it would be. I see it like...
cdn1.screenrant.com

However, the point still remains that people will continue to invent ways to kill one another even if everything is gone.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:56 AM  

from my blood: I see more retards who think the violence will stop by banning some guns... ok then...

If he didn't have the gun he would have...
1) Used a bomb.
2) Poisoned the water supply.
3) Used a car to run through the playground.
4) Chopped them up with a machete like they do in china

The issue is not guns.
If you were not so stupid, maybe one of you would find a solution to the violence.

Sadly, the 'political issue' outsmokes the gun/violence issue, its about getting elected now.


Gun control is logical. Not allowing the general public to purchase say rocket launchers or automatic weapons is logical. Banning "guns" in general is stupid. There is no solution to stopping violence. It isn't possible. How do you stop someone who does not fear death or any other consequences?
 
2013-01-03 11:42:56 AM  
AWB isn't going to pass. Sorry you got your hopes up, gun grabbers.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:34 AM  
Thanks for the irrelevant data and incorrect conclusions drawn thereon.

While it is tragic I honestly just don't care that much when some arsehole beats his wife or kid to death because it has no chance of affecting me. This kind of event happens much more often but presents as a whole zero danger to the rest of us.

Once he's done hammering her skull in he's DONE killing. Plus it's impossible to go on a hammering spree - people can run away from you and 2 or more can stop you with their bare hands.

I do care about individuals having weapons capable of wiping out whole crowds of people in a short period of time and with high effectiveness. While folks don't go crazy and shoot up crowds very often, when they DO, the only limiting factor on how many they can kill is the tools they have at their disposal. So controlling those tools that serve ZERO purpose other than to allow mass murder to be performed more easily is not a bad idea.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:47 AM  

DeathCipris: Alright everyone, repeat after me.

Everything can be used as a weapon. There is no way you are going to stop people from killing each other. It is human nature.

What happens when you take away anything remotely dangerous?
See Kung Fu


Right, but as always, how many people can you kung fu to death in two minutes vs. using a gun? Difficulty: You are not Bruce Lee fighting extras in Enter the Dragon.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:56 AM  
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2013-01-03 11:44:22 AM  

DeathCipris:

However, the point still remains that people will continue to invent ways to kill one another even if everything is gone.


Then we should at least force them to get creative.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:34 AM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: DeathCipris: Alright everyone, repeat after me.

Everything can be used as a weapon. There is no way you are going to stop people from killing each other. It is human nature.

What happens when you take away anything remotely dangerous?
See Kung Fu

Is it wrong that I want to see a grown man stroll into a school and try to kung-fu everybody to death?

No. It's not wrong. Because it would be comical as all hell, I'm certain.


How many five year olds could you take in a fight?
 
2013-01-03 11:44:36 AM  

mongbiohazard: you have pee hands: The US has a higher murder rate with knives than the UK, too.  We just like murder.


It's almost like there's some *other* factor in society which makes us more violent per capita. Something which creates more people on the margins of society for various reasons. Something which might impact the access to care that folks who are mentally unbalanced might need, or might keep milions of people more desperate and struggling to get by. What ever could it be...


We have way more stupid people...
 
2013-01-03 11:44:57 AM  
I do like how people insist on including suicides in gun deaths.

Because when you say "just over 12,000" it just doesn't sound as good as "just over 30,000". Far more than half of all gun deaths are self inflicted. To paraphrase a famous quote, would you feel any better if they had jumped out of windows?

"But... but... OTHER countries..."

Yes, we have more shootings than countries without guns. We also have more strangling, stabbing, and beating deaths too. You're free to speculate why the violent crime rate is so high here.
 
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