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2013-01-03 09:39:26 AM  
It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.
 
2013-01-03 09:39:28 AM  
1. Invade islands.
2. Fill them with your own people.
3. Have the people vote democratically on which country they want to belong to.
 
2013-01-03 09:39:46 AM  
Will this thing jerk me off?
 
2013-01-03 09:40:36 AM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-03 09:40:46 AM  
 i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-03 09:41:27 AM  
♫ Wake up, Maggie, I think I got somethin' to say to youuu... ♫
 
2013-01-03 09:42:43 AM  
How about no

/ to both Thatcher and the Argies
 
2013-01-03 09:44:05 AM  
Yea, try again. Stop blaming your problems on a couple of islands. you're never getting them. deal with it.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:14 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

this headline still makes my skin crawl.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:54 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

why u mad?
 
2013-01-03 09:46:02 AM  
And Maggie, over lunch one day, took a cruiser with all hands, apparently to make them give it back.

/mmm mmm mm mmm mmm
 
2013-01-03 09:46:55 AM  
www.forces80.com

love this cover
 
2013-01-03 09:51:41 AM  
"Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner"

Why don't they tell us how old she is and how many kids she has?
 
2013-01-03 09:52:15 AM  

Norfolking Chance: It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.


The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:34 AM  
Tell that to the Toba...
 
2013-01-03 09:52:39 AM  

Biness: [www.forces80.com image 794x1061]

love this cover


now that's a headline.

fascinating piece on the sun and its rabid pro-war stance during the falklands crisis.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:57 AM  
Uhm, doesn't anyone remembers that prior to the British colonisation the Falklands were basically inhabited. It has never been Argentinian to begin with, despite some Spanish claims from before Argentine's independence on it.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:11 AM  

Dorf11: And Maggie, over lunch one day, took a cruiser with all hands, apparently to make them give it back.

/mmm mmm mm mmm mmm


Except that out of the 1,095 people on board the ARA Belgrano, 775 were rescued. That's a survival rate of 71%.

/Don't get your history from rock musicians.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:19 AM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

Don't cry for me argentina
 
2013-01-03 09:56:02 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Invade islands.
2. Fill them with your own people.
3. Have the people vote democratically on which country they want to belong to.


You might not look like such a moran if you read a little about the history of the Falklands before making stupid statements like this
 
2013-01-03 09:56:30 AM  
It's just a rumor that was spread around town
Somebody said that someone got filled in
For saying that people get killed in
The result of this shipbuilding
 
2013-01-03 09:56:56 AM  

EngineerAU: Norfolking Chance: It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.

The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


but its not really fair to force a bunch of people into a country they don't want to be in
 
2013-01-03 09:57:14 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Invade islands.
2. Fill them with your own people.
3. Have the people vote democratically on which country they want to belong to.


You misspelled "settle" in item one.
 
2013-01-03 09:57:34 AM  

The wonderful travels of a turd: Uhm, doesn't anyone remembers that prior to the British colonisation the Falklands were basically inhabited. It has never been Argentinian to begin with, despite some Spanish claims from before Argentine's independence on it.


This was my understanding as well, why does Argentina even want them? Do they have valuable resources or something?
 
2013-01-03 09:58:34 AM  

AntonChigger: The wonderful travels of a turd: Uhm, doesn't anyone remembers that prior to the British colonisation the Falklands were basically inhabited. It has never been Argentinian to begin with, despite some Spanish claims from before Argentine's independence on it.

This was my understanding as well, why does Argentina even want them? Do they have valuable resources or something?


black gold
 
2013-01-03 09:59:09 AM  

EngineerAU: Norfolking Chance: It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.

The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


It's amazing how stunningly ignorant people can be of a topic that gets so much play on Fark.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:36 AM  
The farking Islands
 
2013-01-03 10:02:12 AM  

EngineerAU: Britain took over the islands


Britain <B>settled</B> the Falklands over 50 years before the country of Argentina ever existed.
 
2013-01-03 10:02:21 AM  

meanmutton: EngineerAU: Norfolking Chance: It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.

The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

It's amazing how stunningly ignorant people can be of a topic that gets so much play on Fark.


alot of it, i think, is just knee jerk hate of the west. standard white guilt.
 
2013-01-03 10:03:37 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: EngineerAU: Britain took over the islands

Britain <B>settled</B> the Falklands over 50 years before the country of Argentina ever existed.


oh come on, its not like this failed president would try to distract her population with dubious claims to islands that don't belong to them....right?


/wait, thats exactly what happened last time?
 
2013-01-03 10:03:52 AM  
If they try anything, they will get the same thing again. Britain will send down one of their aircraft carriers full of Harrier jets and take back the islands. Rule Britania!
 
2013-01-03 10:04:03 AM  
So... 180 year old conflict... in which we claimed a small but strategic island chain, which was for the most part uninhabited.

We built roads, we built infrastructure, the people that live there consider themselves British..... not really sure how the Argentinian argument works at all. If that was the case surely Amercians should all move out of america and give control back to the Native American as Andrew Jackson called for "Indian Removal" in the same year....

And anyone that claims Britain gave Hong Kong back because it was scared of China is a moron... it was a 100 loan which we swindled out of them for a lot of Opium!
 
2013-01-03 10:04:05 AM  
Falklands Islands has been a British colony longer then California has been American.
 
2013-01-03 10:04:19 AM  
We won!

If you want 'em, 'tina, come and get 'em!!

/Oh, you can't, can you??

//Meh!
 
2013-01-03 10:05:44 AM  

Clash City Farker: If they try anything, they will get the same thing again. Britain will send down one of their aircraft carriers full of Harrier jets and take back the islands. Rule Britania!


Harriers have been retired, but other than that, yes.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:54 AM  

EngineerAU: Norfolking Chance: It doesn't matter what Argentina wants

It doesn't matter what Britian wants.

All that matters is what the Falkland Islenders want.

The sovereignty referendum in a few months time will once and for all settle what the Falkland Islanders want.

The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


Classic Civ 4 cultural takeover
 
2013-01-03 10:09:52 AM  
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but SHEEP!!!
 
2013-01-03 10:10:41 AM  

Biness: Clash City Farker: If they try anything, they will get the same thing again. Britain will send down one of their aircraft carriers full of Harrier jets and take back the islands. Rule Britania!

Harriers have been retired, but other than that, yes.


There are 4 Typhoons permanently stationed on the Island, and almost certainly a nuclear powered sub in the area. Somehow I don't think an attempted invasion would go down quite so well a second time.
 
2013-01-03 10:10:46 AM  

EngineerAU: that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


From wiki:

When the Clio arrived, there were 33 genuine resident civilian settlers. Captain Onslow gave them a free choice of staying or leaving; he applied no pressure on them to leave and indeed encouraged some to stay. Only four of them chose to leave

I note that at this point Argentina had settlers on the islands for 4 years (1829-1833). while England had settlers as far back as 1760 (though they lost the islands to the Spanish, who lost them to Argentina), and have continuously settled the islands for the past 180 years.
 
2013-01-03 10:15:00 AM  

Gunther: EngineerAU: that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

From wiki:

When the Clio arrived, there were 33 genuine resident civilian settlers. Captain Onslow gave them a free choice of staying or leaving; he applied no pressure on them to leave and indeed encouraged some to stay. Only four of them chose to leave

I note that at this point Argentina had settlers on the islands for 4 years (1829-1833). while England had settlers as far back as 1760 (though they lost the islands to the Spanish, who lost them to Argentina), and have continuously settled the islands for the past 180 years.


This.
 
2013-01-03 10:17:12 AM  

Gunther: EngineerAU: that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

From wiki:

When the Clio arrived, there were 33 genuine resident civilian settlers. Captain Onslow gave them a free choice of staying or leaving; he applied no pressure on them to leave and indeed encouraged some to stay. Only four of them chose to leave

I note that at this point Argentina had settlers on the islands for 4 years (1829-1833). while England had settlers as far back as 1760 (though they lost the islands to the Spanish, who lost them to Argentina), and have continuously settled the islands for the past 180 years.


that seems exceedingly fair on the part of Onslow
 
2013-01-03 10:20:55 AM  

EngineerAU: . This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


Hmmm.....are Argentinians all "the local population" in Argentina? So funny.

Similarly, I continue to be amazed at the total pass that white hispanics get on racism, colonialism, and slavery. It's really brilliant
1. Find new land in the Americas
2. Invade, set up shop and import slaves or exploit the few natives who didn't die from disease or bloodshed
3. Profit for centuries off of racism, segregation, and exploitation of darker people.
4. Use the wealth acquired thereby to move to America.
5. Take advantage of racial preferences designed to remedy the exact injustices you profited off of.
6. Scream bloody murder whenever those preferences are threatened.
7. Profit.

/White hispanic, but from Chile, so the screed above doesn't apply to me.
 
2013-01-03 10:21:06 AM  

dittybopper: /Don't get your history from rock musicians.


Weird. I always interpreted the lyrics as taking a British fleet halfway round the world to project sovereignty (not sinking the Belgrano). Kinda works both ways, I guess.
 
2013-01-03 10:22:11 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Flakeloaf: 1. Invade islands.
2. Fill them with your own people.
3. Have the people vote democratically on which country they want to belong to.

You might not look like such a moran if you read a little about the history of the Falklands before making stupid statements like this


I stopped reading when I got to the part where the British abandoned all their overseas colonies because fighting Americans was getting expensive. If living there makes it yours, moving out should make it stop being yours. Or does the Nootka convention only go one way?

I don't pretend to know or care, but the way I read it, it sounds like the British and Spanish took turns moving in, kicking each other out, ceding land, not caring, putting up a "back in 5 minutes" sign and so on, so "historical claims" may not hold much water. However it is that they got there, the people living on those islands right now are British and if they want to stay that way then fine. If the Argentines want to use the UN to force the islands back into their possession, they could at least fill the place with their own people and money first. To my untrained eye that seems like the only way this is going to end up in their favour.
 
2013-01-03 10:22:50 AM  

EngineerAU: The islanders are mostly people from Britain and the descendants of those from Britain. Hardly seems fair.to stuff the place full of one nation's people and then say it's up to them to decide. This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.


Except none of that really ever happened.
 
2013-01-03 10:23:33 AM  

FLMountainMan: EngineerAU: . This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

Hmmm.....are Argentinians all "the local population" in Argentina? So funny.

Similarly, I continue to be amazed at the total pass that white hispanics get on racism, colonialism, and slavery. It's really brilliant
1. Find new land in the Americas
2. Invade, set up shop and import slaves or exploit the few natives who didn't die from disease or bloodshed
3. Profit for centuries off of racism, segregation, and exploitation of darker people.
4. Use the wealth acquired thereby to move to America.
5. Take advantage of racial preferences designed to remedy the exact injustices you profited off of.
6. Scream bloody murder whenever those preferences are threatened.
7. Profit.

/White hispanic, but from Chile, so the screed above doesn't apply to me.


damn. never thought of it that way. thats kind of incredible.

Brazil imported WAY more slaves than the USA
 
2013-01-03 10:27:58 AM  

Biness: FLMountainMan: EngineerAU: . This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

Hmmm.....are Argentinians all "the local population" in Argentina? So funny.

Similarly, I continue to be amazed at the total pass that white hispanics get on racism, colonialism, and slavery. It's really brilliant
1. Find new land in the Americas
2. Invade, set up shop and import slaves or exploit the few natives who didn't die from disease or bloodshed
3. Profit for centuries off of racism, segregation, and exploitation of darker people.
4. Use the wealth acquired thereby to move to America.
5. Take advantage of racial preferences designed to remedy the exact injustices you profited off of.
6. Scream bloody murder whenever those preferences are threatened.
7. Profit.

/White hispanic, but from Chile, so the screed above doesn't apply to me.

damn. never thought of it that way. thats kind of incredible.

Brazil imported WAY more slaves than the USA


Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely not arguing that it makes the USA did any more moral or righteous. I just remember my dad's disbelief at the preferences and set-asides I could have claimed in this country, despite being blue-eyed and from a middle-class family. Also, most Americans don't realize that Affirmative Action of some sort happens in most first or second-world countries you can think of.
 
2013-01-03 10:28:29 AM  

Biness: FLMountainMan: EngineerAU: . This is obviously a political distraction meant to take some heat off of the Argentine president but that doesn't change the fact that when Britain took over the islands, they removed the local population and stocked it full of their own people.

Hmmm.....are Argentinians all "the local population" in Argentina? So funny.

Similarly, I continue to be amazed at the total pass that white hispanics get on racism, colonialism, and slavery. It's really brilliant
1. Find new land in the Americas
2. Invade, set up shop and import slaves or exploit the few natives who didn't die from disease or bloodshed
3. Profit for centuries off of racism, segregation, and exploitation of darker people.
4. Use the wealth acquired thereby to move to America.
5. Take advantage of racial preferences designed to remedy the exact injustices you profited off of.
6. Scream bloody murder whenever those preferences are threatened.
7. Profit.

/White hispanic, but from Chile, so the screed above doesn't apply to me.

damn. never thought of it that way. thats kind of incredible.

Brazil imported WAY more slaves than the USA


French Haiti was pretty barbaric too, from what I understand. Show up, turn entire country into a slave colony, export everything of value, charge them some multiple of their GDP for their "freedom" and then toss a few pennies in their hat when someone shows a pity porn movie of the area.
 
2013-01-03 10:33:01 AM  

FLMountainMan: Hmmm.....are Argentinians all "the local population" in Argentina? So funny.

Similarly, I continue to be amazed at the total pass that white hispanics get on racism, colonialism, and slavery. It's really brilliant
1. Find new land in the Americas
2. Invade, set up shop and import slaves or exploit the few natives who didn't die from disease or bloodshed
3. Profit for centuries off of racism, segregation, and exploitation of darker people.
4. Use the wealth acquired thereby to move to America.
5. Take advantage of racial preferences designed to remedy the exact injustices you profited off of.
6. Scream bloody murder whenever those preferences are threatened.
7. Profit.

/White hispanic, but from Chile, so the screed above doesn't apply to me.


Worked with a guy who was a red haired blue eyed "pure" ruling class noble from Guatemala. At least he was until the "peasants" overthrew the government. Neat guy, really neat life story, really racist towards some ethnic groups. Was interesting to hear his perspective on "other" Hispanics. He had some funny rants on how much he hated Americans who considered him to be just another Hispanic due to his name / country of origin.
 
2013-01-03 10:34:04 AM  

Clash City Farker: If they try anything, they will get the same thing again. Britain will send down one of their aircraft carriers full of Harrier jets and take back the islands. Rule Britania!


Their one aircraft carrier in service. Which has helicopters and no planes.
 
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