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(National Post)   Pack it up, physics nerds. With the discovery of the Higgs Boson, there is nothing left to explore in the world of physics. Now turn around, it's wedgie time   (news.nationalpost.com) divider line 22
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2013-01-03 08:48:16 AM
3 votes:
Considering how much we can't explain, we're far from the end of physics.
2013-01-03 12:06:23 PM
2 votes:
until we have holodecks with touchable babes, physics is never done
2013-01-03 12:05:45 PM
2 votes:

notmtwain: What she said is that she doesn't know where the next big experiment will come from.


Well I can think of a few areas. Also the article is wrong, finding the Higgs boson only explains why certain matter has mass. There's still the issue of why the rest of it has mass. And then there's all sorts of fun other stuff about matter, like why fundamental particles fall into groups as they do. Then there's gravity. We still haven't found gravity waves though they should exist. And then there's tying gravity in with everything else. While more an issue for theoreticians there's still plenty to do on the experimental side.
2013-01-03 12:03:58 PM
2 votes:
Misleading article headline?  Check.

Misleading Fark headline?  Check.

Manufactured indignation?  Check.
2013-01-03 11:33:26 AM
2 votes:
Didn't someone say something similar about 10 years before Einstein published his 3 papers in 1905?
2013-01-03 09:10:42 AM
2 votes:
I see no hover car. Keep working.
2013-01-03 01:10:14 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: And it works beautifully just so long as you keep it way the hell away from quantum mechanics.


It's also good to keep new-age mystics the hell away from q-mech, as well.

/Sadly, Deepak Chopra shows we have already failed at this.
2013-01-03 12:35:42 PM
1 votes:
Until there is a model that also explains GRAVITY there is plenty to do.
2013-01-03 12:19:00 PM
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: "supersymmetry: all very cool ideas that offer no falsifiable hypotheses"


And that isn't exactly correct either.
2013-01-03 12:16:51 PM
1 votes:

you have pee hands: they built the supercollider to a specific size for that purpose.


Actually if they just wanted Higgs they wouldn't need such a big collider, it's just that they want to see what else they can find and so then the bigger the better. There's a lot of stuff going on at the LHC that has nothing to do with Higgs, and much of it is happening because of how big it is.
2013-01-03 12:12:18 PM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Well I can think of a few areas. Also the article is wrong, finding the Higgs boson only explains why certain matter has mass. There's still the issue of why the rest of it has mass. And then there's all sorts of fun other stuff about matter, like why fundamental particles fall into groups as they do. Then there's gravity. We still haven't found gravity waves though they should exist. And then there's tying gravity in with everything else. While more an issue for theoreticians there's still plenty to do on the experimental side.


I think the issue is more that with the Higgs Boson, they had a target energy where they predicted to find it and they built the supercollider to a specific size for that purpose.  Those other things may be out there, but there isn't the same type of specific experimental target where they can say "Our current equipment can't do this experiment because of XXXX, but if you build THIS, we can".
2013-01-03 12:11:56 PM
1 votes:

AbiNormal: Didn't someone say something similar about 10 years before Einstein published his 3 papers in 1905?


Pretty much, and he had five papers he submitted in 1905 one however wasn't published until the following year but all the work was in 1905.
2013-01-03 12:03:36 PM
1 votes:
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

/aaaaaaaaaaaaand scene.
2013-01-03 11:58:51 AM
1 votes:
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/thanks onion
2013-01-03 11:43:32 AM
1 votes:
Two Questions (as this thread might actually attract the kind of people who will know)

1) In the description of the Higg's Field they keep talking about particles moving "through" the field acquiring mass: Would that mean that a particle with no movement through the field in all directions (dimensions?) have no mass? (Potentially impossible as the expanding universe might provide all the "movement" of the field necessary - the real question I guess is does movement relative to the field provide the mass or is is a more basic interaction?

2) Is there a, oh let's say "less frivolous", site where questions similar to what I proposed above can be posted and (possibly) responded to? My degree is in Chemistry and I'm not looking for someplace to teach me quantum physics but I think even non-physics majors might occasionally come up with some interesting ideas.
2013-01-03 11:31:59 AM
1 votes:
The minute you declare a science "done", you cease being a scientist.

Though, to be sure, my guess is this proclamation came from non-scientists.
2013-01-03 11:30:19 AM
1 votes:

entropic_existence: NowhereMon: How many times have people declared physics "done"?

They have been wrong every time.

And never has it been declared done by an actual Physicist would be my guess. As for the article, I am guessing the writer took Franklin's statements a bit out of context. It looks like she was talking about Particle Physics and Particle Accelerators. And her statement basically is: If this is definitely the Higgs (it isn't certain yet) and there is no indication we need anything else further to complete work on the Standard Model (there is some possibility that the Higgs discovered isn't exactly as predicted by the Standard Model), then I don't think we will build another accelerator because all of the other questions we have we still aren't sure how to approach with this methodology.


My guess (editor's note: this guy has a social-science degree. Stock up on the Na before reading.) is that the Grand Unified Theory will start getting more attention. In addition to learning where the holes are in this new research.

I hope we find a way to send a probe to a black hole. Voyager made it a billion-plus miles in 35 years - we could fling a probe way further over the next 35.

// sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium sodium
// BATMAN!
2013-01-03 11:25:05 AM
1 votes:

NowhereMon: How many times have people declared physics "done"?

They have been wrong every time.


And never has it been declared done by an actual Physicist would be my guess. As for the article, I am guessing the writer took Franklin's statements a bit out of context. It looks like she was talking about Particle Physics and Particle Accelerators. And her statement basically is: If this is definitely the Higgs (it isn't certain yet) and there is no indication we need anything else further to complete work on the Standard Model (there is some possibility that the Higgs discovered isn't exactly as predicted by the Standard Model), then I don't think we will build another accelerator because all of the other questions we have we still aren't sure how to approach with this methodology.
2013-01-03 10:00:07 AM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Considering how much we can't explain, we're far from the end of physics.


Nobody said it was the end of physics. What she said is that she doesn't know where the next big experiment will come from.

And why should you listen anyway? She's only the chair of physics at Harvard. Scientists will appreciate your continued largesse.
2013-01-03 09:23:57 AM
1 votes:
There is this thing called gravity that is very well known and understood but there isn't a single explanation of how the damn thing works.

I was disappointed by the Pioneer space craft slowing down was attributed to directional energy loss because they were the last best hope for a gravity that would push rather than pull.

/ I like to play devils advocate even if I'm using flat earth physics to navigate 1/2 way around the world.
2013-01-03 09:07:21 AM
1 votes:
How many times have people declared physics "done"?

They have been wrong every time.
2013-01-03 08:56:27 AM
1 votes:
That's a lot of hokum.
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