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(Talking Points Memo)   President Obama will make a push for immigration reform after his inauguration   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-03 08:39:26 AM  
And if he's successful, it will cement the latinos to the Democratic party for quite some time.
 
2013-01-03 08:56:53 AM  
If anybody can do it, Obama can. I'll know reform is imminent when Fark is flooded with headlines announcing that his efforts are all but doomed.
 
2013-01-03 09:14:24 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: And if he's successful, it will cement the latinos to the Democratic party for quite some time.


Which is quite a screwing of the pooch by the GOP.  Many of them are Catholic and could potentially have been won over with socially conservative values.  Instead, the overarching vibe they get from them  is "You don't look white, why don't you go back where you came from?".  They can probably thank Arizona for that, among others.

The real question here is whether we want cheap Mexican labor or not.  Seems to me that if we DON'T, then the sensible thing is to make sure employers can't hire them, thus they will self-deport.  Of course there will be tremendous economic consequences to that, notably in the agriculture and service industry.  If we DO want them here, then we really need some sort of a legal status for them, even if it's not quite citizen, so we can know who is here and where they are.  It's only common sense.
 
2013-01-03 09:20:40 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: And if he's successful, it will cement the latinos to the Democratic party for quite some time.


He won't be. Nothing but the debt ceiling will be happening for the next few months.
 
2013-01-03 09:26:28 AM  

DamnYankees: hillbillypharmacist: And if he's successful, it will cement the latinos to the Democratic party for quite some time.

He won't be. Nothing but the debt ceiling will be happening for the next few months.


You don't know much about congress do you?  They have thousands of useless things to do first.
 
2013-01-03 09:30:44 AM  
Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:03 AM  

minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.


The laws we aren't enforcing are crappy laws.  I'll feel better when we're failing to enforce much better laws.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:51 AM  
Our net immigration from Mexico is at zero or reversing. Asian immigrants are now the fastest growing group. Do the Republicans really want to attack them? They actually voted in higher numbers for Obama than Latinos did. I would love to see how they plan on going after this group.
 
2013-01-03 09:33:17 AM  

DamnYankees: He won't be. Nothing but the debt ceiling will be happening for the next few months.


That seems somehow likely.
 
2013-01-03 09:33:32 AM  
Will the republicans realize it's a trap?
 
2013-01-03 09:37:51 AM  

DamnYankees: He won't be. Nothing but the debt ceiling will be happening for the next few months.


I agree. Ain't nothing gonna get done, except maybe a Sandy aid relief bill on January 15 and some federal buildings getting named after random people.

ginandbacon: Asian immigrants are now the fastest growing group.


Speaking as an Asian immigrant, while the Asian population in the US is growing quickly, I gotta say, it's a lot easier to sustain high population growth through immigration when you only comprise maybe 3% of the population as opposed to 15% of the population.
 
2013-01-03 09:43:06 AM  

DamnYankees: hillbillypharmacist: And if he's successful, it will cement the latinos to the Democratic party for quite some time.

He won't be. Nothing but the debt ceiling will be happening for the next few months.


Nuh uh. We're totally gonna get marijuana legalized and the government is going to take away all of your guns.

(this is what liberals and conservatives actually believe))
 
2013-01-03 09:51:14 AM  
i, for one, hope that he will finally be able to achieve his dream and become a u.s. citizen.
 
2013-01-03 09:51:14 AM  
this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:09 AM  
Opening another front in the GOP civil war.

This round: Racists vs. Political Realists

WHO WILL WIN
 
2013-01-03 09:52:18 AM  

Therion: Nuh uh. We're totally gonna get marijuana legalized and the government is going to take away all of your guns.


no, meth, dude, legalize meth, solve our work-ethic issue.

/i'll be in the trailer inventing a new type of radio-receiver-device.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:02 AM  

RexTalionis: Speaking as an Asian immigrant, while the Asian population in the US is growing quickly, I gotta say, it's a lot easier to sustain high population growth through immigration when you only comprise maybe 3% of the population as opposed to 15% of the population.


Now, not all of us are Asian, so we may need some time to digest that fancy mathematics yer thrown at us....
 
2013-01-03 09:54:40 AM  
When will he take my guns and force socialism down my throat?
 
2013-01-03 09:55:18 AM  
Real reform like reworking our emmigration policies and making it less of a pain in the tookus or just granting blanket amnesty to people that came here outside of the official process then kicking the can like Reagan did?
 
2013-01-03 09:55:22 AM  

thismomentinblackhistory: If anybody can do it, Obama can.


Yup. Nobody has been able to show what heights immigrants can rise to in our society better than Obama.
 
2013-01-03 09:55:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Opening another front in the GOP civil war.

This round: Racists vs. Political Realists

WHO WILL WIN


There are Political Realists left in the Republican Party?
 
2013-01-03 09:55:53 AM  
How fast will the GOP start losing its core voters when it's forced to court non-whites?
 
2013-01-03 09:55:54 AM  

proteus_b: RexTalionis: Speaking as an Asian immigrant, while the Asian population in the US is growing quickly, I gotta say, it's a lot easier to sustain high population growth through immigration when you only comprise maybe 3% of the population as opposed to 15% of the population.

Now, not all of us are Asian, so we may need some time to digest that fancy mathematics yer thrown at us....


I was told there would be no math.
 
2013-01-03 09:56:04 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.

The laws we aren't enforcing are crappy laws.  I'll feel better when we're failing to enforce much better laws.


Why are they crappy?
 
2013-01-03 09:57:01 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: HotWingConspiracy: Opening another front in the GOP civil war.

This round: Racists vs. Political Realists

WHO WILL WIN

There are Political Realists left in the Republican Party?


Yep, they're all right.
 
2013-01-03 09:58:14 AM  
They don't want comprehensive immigration reform. If everybody is happy, and the system works well, and there's no injustice...there's no special interest group to pander to.

Better to have a systemic crisis that mobilizes both sides to vote.
 
2013-01-03 09:58:19 AM  

minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.


Because the laws are absurd regarding unskilled workers. If you have family here, you can qualify for a visa, and you can come here on a skilled worker visa if a company can't find anyone qualified in the states after jumping through lots of hoops, and we have a small green card lottery for underrepresented countries.

But, in general, if you're just an average joe with no college degree willing to work hard at the jobs that Americans are unwilling to do, like seasonal agricultural work, the doors of America are closed to you. And that's not good for Americans, and it's not good foreigners.
 
2013-01-03 09:58:23 AM  

minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.


So you missed that stat about Fartbongo deporting more illegals than any recent president combined with the new show ID if you are brown laws?
 
2013-01-03 09:59:53 AM  
I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"
 
2013-01-03 10:01:36 AM  

minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.


It's always fun when the Freepers show up to the party.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:37 AM  

randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"


Just like Reagan.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:46 AM  

randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"


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2013-01-03 10:02:17 AM  
Even if he's not successful, the GOP will still self-immolate by going full racist in opposition to his proposals. It's a win-win for him
 
2013-01-03 10:02:17 AM  

randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"


You think he's going to grant amnesty to employerswho hire those ineligible to work in the US?
 
2013-01-03 10:02:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Opening another front in the GOP civil war.

This round: Racists vs. Political Realists

WHO WILL WIN


This round? Dude, that's every round.
 
2013-01-03 10:03:03 AM  
And, like anything that Obama "wants" (read: that would help Americans), the GOP will offer to give it to him if he abolishes Medicare.
 
2013-01-03 10:03:23 AM  

ginandbacon: Our net immigration from Mexico is at zero or reversing. Asian immigrants are now the fastest growing group. Do the Republicans really want to attack them? They actually voted in higher numbers for Obama than Latinos did. I would love to see how they plan on going after this group.


You're going under the faulty assumption that they haven't started already.

www.joeydevilla.com
 
2013-01-03 10:04:11 AM  

minoridiot: hillbillypharmacist: minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.

The laws we aren't enforcing are crappy laws.  I'll feel better when we're failing to enforce much better laws.

Why are they crappy?


Not liberal enough.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:27 AM  

Lord_Baull: When will he take my guns and force socialism down my throat?


According to my super seekret librul calender it is on the agenda for March. So enjoy your guns and capitalism while you can.

oops I wasn't supposed to say that.... errrr... ignore
 
2013-01-03 10:07:00 AM  

Dr. Whoof: randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"

Just like Reagan.



I'm offended by that comparison. Obama is nothing like Reagan. For instance, he only increased the deficit by 70%, not 300% like Reagan. Nor did he cut an run from Libya the way Reagan did in Lebanon.
 
2013-01-03 10:07:04 AM  

monoski: minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.

So you missed that stat about Fartbongo deporting more illegals than any recent president combined with the new show ID if you are brown laws?


Not only that but he has greatly increased the percentage of violent criminals being deported.
 
2013-01-03 10:07:50 AM  

randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"


Aw sweetie... it sucks when your phony boogie man immigrant conspiracy theories are dashed against the rocks, doesn't it.

The fact remains that I would take a million illegal immigrants over the teatards that were born here and currently infest this country.
 
2013-01-03 10:08:21 AM  

randomjsa: I'll translate that...

"President Obama will attempt to grant amnesty to millions of people who broke and continue to break American laws because he wants to buy more votes with taxpayer money"


Is it cheaper to "process" all the illegals - court cases (which means judges and attorneys, and also clogged dockets), incarcerations and deportations (which means paying to ship 'em back where they come from) - all so that people who have done nothing morally wrong can go home for some time, only to return later anyway at even greater cost to themselves and us, or to have them pay fines, show they've Americanized (though so long as you haven't done anything worse than parking tickets or maybe you sped once on the way to a Dokken show in '87, I'd say you're American) and now have a greater above-board labor pool (meaning no more depressed wages for the group) and tax-paying pool.

Plus, you know how born-agains are so fiercely dogmatic? Yeah, that, only with patriotism.
 
2013-01-03 10:09:57 AM  

ginandbacon: Our net immigration from Mexico is at zero or reversing. Asian immigrants are now the fastest growing group. Do the Republicans really want to attack them? They actually voted in higher numbers for Obama than Latinos did. I would love to see how they plan on going after this group.


The GOP has huge racist blinders when it comes to immigrants. When they see a Latino, their mind automatically says 'filthy Home Depot welfare-sucking beaner'. When they see an Asian, they automatically think 'where's your restaurant, and do you deliver?'
 
2013-01-03 10:10:16 AM  

Lord_Baull: he only increased the deficit by 70%, not 300


Give him time. He still has 4 more years. Patience, have patience.
 
2013-01-03 10:11:14 AM  

Saiga410: Lord_Baull: he only increased the deficit by 70%, not 300

Give him time. He still has 4 more years. Patience, have patience.


Pop Quiz: Which Branch of the United States Government controls budgets, debt and spending approval?
 
2013-01-03 10:12:28 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Saiga410: Lord_Baull: he only increased the deficit by 70%, not 300

Give him time. He still has 4 more years. Patience, have patience.

Pop Quiz: Which Branch of the United States Government controls budgets, debt and spending approval?


OBAMAAAAAAAA!
 
2013-01-03 10:12:45 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: ginandbacon: Our net immigration from Mexico is at zero or reversing. Asian immigrants are now the fastest growing group. Do the Republicans really want to attack them? They actually voted in higher numbers for Obama than Latinos did. I would love to see how they plan on going after this group.

You're going under the faulty assumption that they haven't started already.

[www.joeydevilla.com image 566x461]


It's really amazing how self-destructive they are. They won among white women and white men and yet lost seats in the House and lost the presidency. Do they think that will get better next time?
 
2013-01-03 10:21:06 AM  

DubyaHater: minoridiot: Why do we need immigration reform?  There is no real effort to even enforce the laws in place.

It's always fun when the Freepers show up to the party.


I'm asking as an immigrant.    I'm rather familar with the laws that I had to navigate in order to obtain citizenship.

And creating reform immigration laws so that we can hire third-world labor at slave  wages does not sound like a good reason.
 
2013-01-03 10:26:13 AM  
No, he won't.
 
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