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2013-01-03 08:53:17 AM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-01-03 08:59:36 AM  
The half-life of truth was 45 years

See, this is why science should be trusted so rarely and faith will ultimately win in the end. I mean, let's look at science versus, say, Christianity. Jesus was born 2000 years ago, and since then Christianity has gone on truckin'. Meanwhile, science has been wrong (2000/45=44.444) almost 45 times. And each time it's wrong by half, so that's essentially a doubling of its wrongness every 90 years. That means that science has been rendered 100 percent wrong (2000/90=22.22) 22 times since Jesus, which is the equivalent of a 2200 percent error rate. It's astonishing people still get sucked in.
 
2013-01-03 09:07:12 AM  
Dinosaurs were cold-blooded - Yes, because even if you weren't a dino-nerd in grade school, nobody saw Jurassic Park.
 
2013-01-03 09:11:40 AM  
Another reason that personal knowledge decays is that people cling to selected "facts" as a way to justify their beliefs about how the world works. Arbesman notes, "We persist in only adding facts to our personal store of knowledge that jibe with what we already know, rather than assimilate new facts irrespective of how they fit into our worldview." All too true; confirmation bias is everywhere.


Herrrrr...deeeeeeeeerrrrrrr.... the problem isn't the facts or amount of information out there, its that we are not a society that values critical thinking skills so people become sticks in the mud. Information is worthless if you do not have the schema to processes it effectively
 
2013-01-03 09:31:58 AM  
As a Republican knob-slobbers, I'm surprised Reason gives a sh*t about facts at all.
 
2013-01-03 09:40:01 AM  
I know a few people who did work for the government in various surreptitious undertakings.According to them, they told as part of their training to "believe only half of what you read, and none of what you hear".
 
2013-01-03 09:45:12 AM  
Respectfully, I have dissented.
Those facts that you ably presented?
While accurate, true,
Just do not cut through
The lies that have kept me contented.
 
2013-01-03 09:57:02 AM  
This is all Snapple's doing.

therealtruth.info
 
2013-01-03 09:59:58 AM  
Pluto is still a planet to me, dammit!

imageshack.us
 
2013-01-03 10:05:24 AM  
Reason is not exactly a fan of facts.
 
2013-01-03 10:10:59 AM  
News at 11: People who don't keep up with current events, and believe what they were taught in elementary school or comic books 40 years ago may not be up to date with the latest in scientific knowledge.

// btw, the author seems to assume that if there's an initial study that shows one thing, and a follow-on that shows something else, the follow on is always the correct one?
 
2013-01-03 10:27:03 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The half-life of truth was 45 years

See, this is why science should be trusted so rarely and faith will ultimately win in the end. I mean, let's look at science versus, say, Christianity. Jesus was born 2000 years ago, and since then Christianity has gone on truckin'. Meanwhile, science has been wrong (2000/45=44.444) almost 45 times. And each time it's wrong by half, so that's essentially a doubling of its wrongness every 90 years. That means that science has been rendered 100 percent wrong (2000/90=22.22) 22 times since Jesus, which is the equivalent of a 2200 percent error rate. It's astonishing people still get sucked in.



hopestillfloats.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-03 10:27:30 AM  
Repeat.

But still worth thinking about. Some facts are best current knowledge, and are subject to change as better evidence is found. But it doesn't mean old ideas are valid just because they were held true for years.
 
2013-01-03 10:29:05 AM  
In before the "this is a repeat" crowd gets enough coffee to start thinking.
 
2013-01-03 10:29:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The half-life of truth was 45 years

See, this is why science should be trusted so rarely and faith will ultimately win in the end. I mean, let's look at science versus, say, Christianity. Jesus was born 2000 years ago, and since then Christianity has gone on truckin'. Meanwhile, science has been wrong (2000/45=44.444) almost 45 times. And each time it's wrong by half, so that's essentially a doubling of its wrongness every 90 years. That means that science has been rendered 100 percent wrong (2000/90=22.22) 22 times since Jesus, which is the equivalent of a 2200 percent error rate. It's astonishing people still get sucked in.


All scientists know that the virgin birth was real, after all, scientists must explain their own existence somehow.
 
2013-01-03 10:29:37 AM  
How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.
 
2013-01-03 10:30:15 AM  
Can you swim after eating?
 
2013-01-03 10:31:36 AM  
Facts always have two sides which are debatable. You are entitled in a free country to decide which side makes the most sense to you and your life.
 
2013-01-03 10:32:17 AM  
Rev.K

As a Republican knob-slobbers, I'm surprised Reason gives a sh*t about facts at all.



Don't sell yourself short - you are one hell of a knob-slobber.
 
2013-01-03 10:32:34 AM  
Everything you know is wrong
Black is white, up is down and short is long
And everything you thought was just so
Important doesn't matter
 
2013-01-03 10:32:53 AM  
Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of all people know that.
 
2013-01-03 10:33:47 AM  

MontanaDave: In before the "this is a repeat" crowd gets enough coffee to start thinking.


SLLLUUURRRPPP. Ah, life's always better after the third cup. Now, to Fark.....hey, this link is a repeat!
 
2013-01-03 10:33:49 AM  
At least my penis is huge.
 
2013-01-03 10:34:47 AM  

karnal: Don't sell yourself short - you are one hell of a knob-slobber.


Yes, such an unfortunate typo.
 
2013-01-03 10:35:17 AM  

Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.


Gold Bond Medicated Foot Powder. You're welcome.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:18 AM  
I'm just gonna have to tell you all the facts
What could that be about, well, here's a clue...

You're so ugly
 
2013-01-03 10:36:23 AM  

Sybarite: Dinosaurs were cold-blooded - Yes, because even if you weren't a dino-nerd in grade school, nobody saw Jurassic Park.


I *WAS* a dino-nerd in grade school, but back then (the 1970's) the consensus was that dinosaurs were cold blooded. The evidence otherwise wasn't really laid out in popular form until 1986 with the publication of "The Dinosaur Heresies" by Bob Bakker, and even then, it didn't filter down immediately into grade schools.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:19 AM  
Yes, but the other 50% of the facts I have are 100% accurate. Actually, most people get their science "facts" from a high school science teacher, who majored in home economics or art history. It's no wonder that they get bad information.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:35 AM  
I know one thing: that I know nothing
 
2013-01-03 10:38:00 AM  
The other half are misleading...liliales.typepad.com
 
2013-01-03 10:38:04 AM  

Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.


Oh, they could. It just isn't as high a priority as growing an ear on the back of a mouse, or genetically-engineering cucumbers that make your pubic hair fall out.
 
2013-01-03 10:38:30 AM  
This sentence is false.
 
2013-01-03 10:39:30 AM  

Carn: Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.

Gold Bond Medicated Foot Powder. You're welcome.


I'm saving my Gold Bond to counteract the imminent hyperinflation caused by Obama's Magic Money Printing Press.  Gold Bond isn't just a piece of paper.  Gold Bond has real, intrinsic value.  When the shiat hits the fan, and you're burning dollars to keep warm, I'll be living the high life off of my stash of physical Gold Bond.
 
2013-01-03 10:39:55 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: I know one thing: that I know nothing


crayfisher.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-03 10:40:21 AM  

LarryDan43: Facts always have at least two sides which are debatable. You are entitled in a free country to decide which side makes the most sense to you and your life.


FTFY
 
2013-01-03 10:41:14 AM  

Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.


If your feet smell but your nose runs, does that mean we've been upside down this whole time?
 
2013-01-03 10:41:35 AM  

wildcardjack: StoPPeRmobile: I know one thing: that I know nothing

[crayfisher.files.wordpress.com image 315x275]


He was kinda like Socrates.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:46 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Carn: Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.

Gold Bond Medicated Foot Powder. You're welcome.

I'm saving my Gold Bond to counteract the imminent hyperinflation caused by Obama's Magic Money Printing Press.  Gold Bond isn't just a piece of paper.  Gold Bond has real, intrinsic value.  When the shiat hits the fan, and you're burning dollars to keep warm, I'll be living the high life off of my stash of physical Gold Bond.


You can snort it? God damn I've been doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:08 AM  
There simply is no substitute for skepticism.


In my opinion that's actually a very good point, as long as when he says "skepticism" he means actual skepticism rather than LA-LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU or hand-waving.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:18 AM  
FTA: Increased K-12 spending and lower pupil/teacher ratios boost public school student outcomes.

I like how they throw this little nugget in as if it were false, and never go back to it to explain or defend it.
 
2013-01-03 10:43:13 AM  
Having to deal with ever changing legislation every day at work I concur - half of what I know is now wrong.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:54 AM  
Came in looking for a QI reference, and not even a picture to be found. For shame Fark, for shame...

/at work or I'd do it myself
 
2013-01-03 10:45:54 AM  
I only know one fact. What does this mean for me?
 
2013-01-03 10:47:26 AM  
The sad thing is that people will take this as license to feel free to reject facts they don't like.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:31 AM  
You can tell that by hanging around here. There is always one "fact" that is repeated over and over in multiple threads, that is then debunked by a few people, but keeps being repeated anyway for about 5 years.

As far as I can tell, nothing ever advances. It's SOS day after day, year after year. Actually knowing anything is kind of a waste of time, because nobody cares and nobody actually wants to know. So forget arguing on the internet, post cat pictures or something.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:05 AM  

vygramul: The sad thing is that people will take this as license to feel free to reject facts they don't like.


Facts are meaningless.  You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.  Facts schmacts.
 
2013-01-03 10:51:24 AM  
Relevant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HtUnubXAO4
 
2013-01-03 10:51:54 AM  

Rapmaster2000: vygramul: The sad thing is that people will take this as license to feel free to reject facts they don't like.

Facts are meaningless.  You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.  Facts schmacts.


Exactly, the proof is in the pudding. I happen to have a special rock that repels bears that I'd be willing to part with for a price, but it's gonna cost you.
 
2013-01-03 10:52:31 AM  

Sybarite: Dinosaurs were cold-blooded - Yes, because even if you weren't a dino-nerd in grade school, nobody saw Jurassic Park.


Be quiet, infant. Dinosaurs were cold-blooded until the mid-'80s.
 
2013-01-03 10:52:51 AM  

cryinoutloud: You can tell that by hanging around here. There is always one "fact" that is repeated over and over in multiple threads, that is then debunked by a few people, but keeps being repeated anyway for about 5 years.

As far as I can tell, nothing ever advances. It's SOS day after day, year after year. Actually knowing anything is kind of a waste of time, because nobody cares and nobody actually wants to know. So forget arguing on the internet, post cat pictures or something.


www.thedistractionnetwork.com
 
2013-01-03 10:53:06 AM  
As is often the case with a Reason article, I'm left scratching my head and wondering what the point was supposed to be in a muddy, poorly-expressed piece of writing.  But I suspect it was, "Global warming is a myth, so drill baby drill...let the Glorious Majesty of the Market decide."
 
2013-01-03 10:53:11 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The half-life of truth was 45 years

See, this is why science should be trusted so rarely and faith will ultimately win in the end. I mean, let's look at science versus, say, Christianity. Jesus was born 2000 years ago, and since then Christianity has gone on truckin'. Meanwhile, science has been wrong (2000/45=44.444) almost 45 times. And each time it's wrong by half, so that's essentially a doubling of its wrongness every 90 years. That means that science has been rendered 100 percent wrong (2000/90=22.22) 22 times since Jesus, which is the equivalent of a 2200 percent error rate. It's astonishing people still get sucked in.


He used Math! Get him!
 
2013-01-03 10:53:25 AM  
the figure is outdated. up to 60 percent of facts are wrong.
 
2013-01-03 10:53:32 AM  

Carn: Rapmaster2000: vygramul: The sad thing is that people will take this as license to feel free to reject facts they don't like.

Facts are meaningless.  You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.  Facts schmacts.

Exactly, the proof is in the pudding. I happen to have a special rock that repels bears that I'd be willing to part with for a price, but it's gonna cost you.


No, goddammit, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. What you said makes no farking sense.

/pet peeve
 
2013-01-03 10:53:50 AM  

Wasilla Hillbilly: I only know one fact. What does this mean for me?


It's half-true.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:50 AM  

Kibbler: As is often the case with a Reason article, I'm left scratching my head and wondering what the point was supposed to be in a muddy, poorly-expressed piece of writing.  But I suspect it was, "Global warming is a myth, so drill baby drill...let the Glorious Majesty of the Market decide."


I was surprised how troll-free that article was. There was the off-hand "public education sucks, and is a waste of money," but that was it.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:40 AM  
i.ytimg.com
 
2013-01-03 10:57:17 AM  
blog.tradepressservices.com
 
2013-01-03 10:57:59 AM  
...author needs to understand what a fact is. None of the things mentioned in the first paragraph were ever "facts".

They're farking assertions, moron. It's like this: "We have evidence that shows that all the dinosaurs we've found so far have been cold-blooded". "Oh look we found one that may be warmblooded, maybe the other ones could have been warm blooded, too. Let's collect more evidence."

Facts don't come from philosophy. They come from science.
 
2013-01-03 10:58:45 AM  

mbillips: Carn: Rapmaster2000: vygramul: The sad thing is that people will take this as license to feel free to reject facts they don't like.

Facts are meaningless.  You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true.  Facts schmacts.

Exactly, the proof is in the pudding. I happen to have a special rock that repels bears that I'd be willing to part with for a price, but it's gonna cost you.

No, goddammit, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. What you said makes no farking sense.

/pet peeve


And my magic rock has prevented me from being eaten by bears! QED.
 
2013-01-03 10:58:49 AM  
 
2013-01-03 10:59:00 AM  

GAT_00: Reason is not exactly a fan of facts.


I can certainly understand not agreeing with Reason's opinions, but can you show where they have misreported the facts they base their opinion on?

I'm not aware of anything close to FOX like levels of misreporting from Reason, and I might be ignorant, I am not aware of any actual misreporting by Reason of the "basic" facts.
 
2013-01-03 11:00:44 AM  

LarryDan43: Facts always have two sides which are debatable. You are entitled in a free country to decide which side makes the most sense to you and your life.


Um, no. That applies to a hypothesis. A theory goes a step beyond in that it consistently explains observable facts. Facts are the basic blocks in all this. Facts can be identified, concretely observed, consistently verified, otherwise, they are not facts. It is a difference between what we may think we know (which can be debatable) and things that can be demonstrated irrefutably. Someone else can probably word that better, but it is pointless to debate a fact. Demonstrate it to be untrue and it will no longer be a fact, just somthing we thought we knew.
 
2013-01-03 11:02:46 AM  

LarryDan43: Facts always have two sides which are debatable. You are entitled in a free country to decide which side makes the most sense to you and your life.


ROFL. 9.5/10
 
2013-01-03 11:03:36 AM  
A fact, by definition, is true. A hypothesis, by definition, is unconfirmed. A republican site called Reason, by definition, is not worth reading.
 
2013-01-03 11:05:20 AM  

lilistonic: The other half are misleading...[liliales.typepad.com image 600x513]


we should ban dihydrogen monoxide
 
2013-01-03 11:06:14 AM  

joonyer: ...author needs to understand what a fact is. None of the things mentioned in the first paragraph were ever "facts".

They're farking assertions, moron. It's like this: "We have evidence that shows that all the dinosaurs we've found so far have been cold-blooded". "Oh look we found one that may be warmblooded, maybe the other ones could have been warm blooded, too. Let's collect more evidence."

Facts don't come from philosophy. They come from science.


What counts as facts really does come from philosophy. Once you have a philosophy, then you can get around to collecting facts in a fashion that is supported by evidence, and not prone to being fouled by bias or misconstrued by bad theory.

The fact is that the facts just are; the issue is with our ability to recognize the facts, and to act accordingly. For example, if your philosophy fetishizes the accumulation of facts at the expense of your reasons for accumulating facts, you may just end up with a collection of information rather than a system of knowledge.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:23 AM  

mbillips: No, goddammit, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. What you said makes no farking sense.


Methinks you are unfamiliar with the well known Doyle story: The Case of the Stolen Raisins, which introduced a character you might have heard of? Sherlock Homes?

It was published in the anthology The 40 Pound Box of Rape and other Tales, published in 19 Dickety Two
 
2013-01-03 11:08:51 AM  
One Question: Where exactly does rule 34 fit in this thread?
 
2013-01-03 11:10:49 AM  

Nurglitch: joonyer: ...author needs to understand what a fact is. None of the things mentioned in the first paragraph were ever "facts".

They're farking assertions, moron. It's like this: "We have evidence that shows that all the dinosaurs we've found so far have been cold-blooded". "Oh look we found one that may be warmblooded, maybe the other ones could have been warm blooded, too. Let's collect more evidence."

Facts don't come from philosophy. They come from science.

What counts as facts really does come from philosophy. Once you have a philosophy, then you can get around to collecting facts in a fashion that is supported by evidence, and not prone to being fouled by bias or misconstrued by bad theory.

The fact is that the facts just are; the issue is with our ability to recognize the facts, and to act accordingly. For example, if your philosophy fetishizes the accumulation of facts at the expense of your reasons for accumulating facts, you may just end up with a collection of information rather than a system of knowledge.


Science is what gives us that knowledge. Without analysis, hypotheses and experiments to go along with the facts, you're right, you don't have much of meaning.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:23 AM  
I'd like to see organized religions admit to similar numbers, but understanding that they'd have to admit up to 99.99% of their information is wrong would really blow the doors off their Ponzi scheme.
 
2013-01-03 11:26:22 AM  
I know for a fact that this is yet another repeat. Only 5% of submissions get green-lit. And 2% of those are dups.
 
2013-01-03 11:29:58 AM  

Rapmaster2000: Carn: Rapmaster2000: How come "scientists" can put a man on the moon, but they can't keep my feet from smelling?  It's pretty obvious if you think about it.  They didn't put a man on the moon.  I'm a skeptic.  I read Reason.

Gold Bond Medicated Foot Powder. You're welcome.

I'm saving my Gold Bond to counteract the imminent hyperinflation caused by Obama's Magic Money Printing Press.  Gold Bond isn't just a piece of paper.  Gold Bond has real, intrinsic value.  When the shiat hits the fan, and you're burning dollars to keep warm, I'll be living the high life off of my stash of physical Gold Bond.


Lil' Bush is letting Obama borrow the Magic Money Printing Press? I hope he didn't have to trade his Time Machine for it.
 
2013-01-03 11:30:06 AM  

Rev.K: As a Republican knob-slobbers, I'm surprised Reason gives a sh*t about facts at all.


The irony of this statement makes my day.
 
2013-01-03 11:36:53 AM  

blatz514: [blog.tradepressservices.com image 320x240]


Oddly enough, Joe Friday never said the line most often attributed to him, "Just the facts, ma'am", in any Dragnet TV, Movie, or Radio production. The closest he ever came was "All we want are the facts, ma'am".
 
2013-01-03 11:41:45 AM  

cryinoutloud: You can tell that by hanging around here. There is always one "fact" that is repeated over and over in multiple threads, that is then debunked by a few people, but keeps being repeated anyway for about 5 years.

As far as I can tell, nothing ever advances. It's SOS day after day, year after year. Actually knowing anything is kind of a waste of time, because nobody cares and nobody actually wants to know. So forget arguing on the internet, post cat pictures or something.


Welcometofark.jpg

randazza.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-03 11:44:19 AM  

Pocket Ninja: The half-life of truth was 45 years

See, this is why science should be trusted so rarely and faith will ultimately win in the end. I mean, let's look at science versus, say, Christianity. Jesus was born 2000 years ago, and since then Christianity has gone on truckin'. Meanwhile, science has been wrong (2000/45=44.444) almost 45 times. And each time it's wrong by half, so that's essentially a doubling of its wrongness every 90 years. That means that science has been rendered 100 percent wrong (2000/90=22.22) 22 times since Jesus, which is the equivalent of a 2200 percent error rate. It's astonishing people still get sucked in.


Well the real trick is religion started 100% false. The truth changes all the time because of new evidence, only lies are eternal.
 
2013-01-03 11:46:35 AM  

special20: I'd like to see organized religions admit to similar numbers, but understanding that they'd have to admit up to 99.99% of their information is wrong would really blow the doors off their Ponzi scheme.


"I believe [something]" = fact?

// I suspect you meant that asserting such a belief is fact and attempting to legally coerce the rest of us do the same is wrong
// but that doesn't let you malign religion and feel superior, does it
 
2013-01-03 11:49:54 AM  
Knows a thing or 2 about facts.

www.thefader.com


Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
 
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