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2013-01-03 07:50:26 AM
Is he in a Flock of Seagulls cover band or something?
 
2013-01-03 07:57:42 AM

naughtyrev: Is he in a Flock of Seagulls cover band or something?


Flock of Seagulls crossed with Prince.
 
2013-01-03 08:00:55 AM
Flaming bottle of PBR? Truly Portland is the place young folks go to retire...
 
2013-01-03 08:04:54 AM
That dude's been threading his eyebrows something fierce.
 
2013-01-03 08:10:01 AM
A bunch of anarchist groups unite.  Someone yells out, "Who the hell's in charge here?"

That's the joke.
 
2013-01-03 08:43:39 AM
That guy needs to Occupy a barber's chair :P.
 
2013-01-03 08:44:44 AM
His hair does what it wants!
 
2013-01-03 08:45:12 AM
Martyrdom: you're doing it wrong.
 
2013-01-03 08:55:07 AM
Anarchists have meetings? They organize?

Wouldn't that just defeat the whole point?
 
2013-01-03 08:59:09 AM
It's the only way to be!

/get pissed
//destroy
 
2013-01-03 09:00:24 AM
Idiot, there is too much water in PBR to be flammable...
 
2013-01-03 09:03:06 AM
Elvis_Bogart
A bunch of anarchist groups unite. Someone yells out, "Who the hell's in charge here?"

That's the joke.


Autonomous affinity groups, coordinated through a Spokescouncil made of delegates.

Also:
"As the Verona drew into the dock, and someone on board threw a line over a bollard, McRae stepped forward and called out "Boys, who's your leader?" The IWW men laughed and jeered, replying "We're all leaders," and they started to swing out the gang plank."
"...followed by about ten minutes of intense gunfire"
 
2013-01-03 09:06:44 AM
First degree arson can get you 20 years in Oregon.
In other states, Kentucky for example, the same crime gets a minimum sentence of 20 years and a maximum of 50.
 
2013-01-03 09:08:17 AM

give me doughnuts: First degree arson can get you 20 years in Oregon.
In other states, Kentucky for example, the same crime gets a minimum sentence of 20 years and a maximum of 50.


Wow.

I couldn't imagine spending 20 years in Oregon.
 
2013-01-03 09:16:40 AM

video man: naughtyrev: Is he in a Flock of Seagulls cover band or something?

Flock of Seagulls crossed with Prince.


Done here.
 
2013-01-03 09:21:39 AM
A million dollar bail and facing 20 years because he threw a bottle that bounced off of a police car. If I did that to my neighbor's car they'd take me to small claims and we'd be done with it.
 
2013-01-03 09:21:55 AM

Elzar: Flaming bottle of PBR? Truly Portland is the place young folks go to retire...


And he couldn't break the bottle on the 1st throw, then was dumb enough to pick it up and try again.
 
2013-01-03 09:26:41 AM
At first I thought the sheriff's logo in the mug shot was a giant earring - I thought it went well with the hairdo.
 
2013-01-03 09:30:28 AM
Say, what a hairdo. It's as big as the ... the ... the Hindenburg and I bet it will go up just as fast if I put this lighter to it.
 
2013-01-03 09:31:36 AM

IamPatSajak: A million dollar bail and facing 20 years because he threw a bottle that bounced off of a police car. If I did that to my neighbor's car they'd take me to small claims and we'd be done with it.


With a badly made Molotov cocktail?  Why don't you try it and let us know how it works out for you comment on the story when it gets to Fark.
 
2013-01-03 09:31:38 AM

video man: naughtyrev: Is he in a Flock of Seagulls cover band or something?

Flock of Seagulls crossed with Prince.


Looks more like one of Sigue Sigue Sputnik's roadies.
 
2013-01-03 09:33:16 AM
A real anarchist would have knitted the policemen some socks.
 
2013-01-03 09:36:35 AM

slykens1: At first I thought the sheriff's logo in the mug shot was a giant earring - I thought it went well with the hairdo.


no they tag them like cattle in the jails now...I am shocked you haven't heard of it yet.
 
2013-01-03 09:36:38 AM
media.oregonlive.com

Police said he threw a flaming Pabst Blue Ribbon beer bottle

Something was flaming. Fer sure.
Anarchist Hipster or Hipster Anarchist?
 
2013-01-03 09:47:46 AM
When anarchist get together? Seems relevant
 
2013-01-03 09:51:53 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie
When anarchist get together? Seems relevant

it would be the job of the nuclear engineers, supported materially by the regional labor federation
 
2013-01-03 09:56:03 AM

RanDomino: tinfoil-hat maggie
When anarchist get together? Seems relevant

it would be the job of the nuclear engineers, supported materially by the regional labor federation


That does not sound like anarchy. : )
 
2013-01-03 10:07:57 AM
PBR is available in bottles??
 
2013-01-03 10:22:46 AM
Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.

Seriously, if any of y'all are reading this --the next time you want to go protest for a goo cause or to show solidarity orr whatever else .. don't. Just don't. When an otherwise-peaceful event turns violent because your buddy threw a brick at a cop then YOU'RE NOT HELPING. All you're doing is turning public opinion against you and giving the powers-that-be an excuse to clamp down harder in the future .. and we don't need to give them an excuse.

Please, just stay home and if you wanna smash things break your own shiat for a change.
 
2013-01-03 10:25:34 AM
Sergey Turzhanskiy


/Guilty
//DNRTFA
///Go through flaming hipster bottles in your own country, douche.
 
2013-01-03 10:29:43 AM

RanDomino: Elvis_Bogart
A bunch of anarchist groups unite. Someone yells out, "Who the hell's in charge here?"

That's the joke.

Autonomous affinity groups, coordinated through a Spokescouncil made of delegates.

Also:
"As the Verona drew into the dock, and someone on board threw a line over a bollard, McRae stepped forward and called out "Boys, who's your leader?" The IWW men laughed and jeered, replying "We're all leaders," and they started to swing out the gang plank."
"...followed by about ten minutes of intense gunfire"


I don't think RanDomino got the joke.
 
2013-01-03 10:31:16 AM
Sounds nice... I'd enjoy a night of beer and cocktails.
 
2013-01-03 10:32:29 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie
That does not sound like anarchy. : )

Too bad. That's what Anarchists advocate.


RevMark
I don't think RanDomino got the joke.

fark that joke.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:59 AM

sycraft: That guy needs to Occupy a barber's chair :P.


Occupiers wouldn't touch that hair with a 20-foot pole.

/But Ron Paul's stylist likes the cut of his jib...
 
2013-01-03 10:39:28 AM

RanDomino: tinfoil-hat maggie
That does not sound like anarchy. : )

Too bad. That's what Anarchists advocate.


RevMark
I don't think RanDomino got the joke.

fark that joke.


Oh, well cool, I guess I need to learn more, then. I and I guess most everybody not in the know believes it means no social order.
 
2013-01-03 10:40:54 AM

RanDomino: tinfoil-hat maggie
That does not sound like anarchy. : )

Too bad. That's what Anarchists advocate.


RevMark
I don't think RanDomino got the joke.

fark that joke.


Sounds like somebody has a load in their diaper.

Wait... do anarchists even use diapers? Or do they just wipe with their dreadlocks?
 
2013-01-03 10:47:38 AM
tinfoil-hat maggie
Oh, well cool, I guess I need to learn more, then. I and I guess most everybody not in the know believes it means no social order.

Yeah. Actually a very high degree of organization- I mean, what's it tell you that the other major misrepresentation of Anarchist organization is that there are way too many meetings. But anyway sorry for snapping at you.


RevMark
Wait... do anarchists even use diapers? Or do they just wipe with their dreadlocks?

Okay, that one I'll laugh at.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:41 AM

RanDomino: Also:
"As the Verona drew into the dock, and someone on board threw a line over a bollard, McRae stepped forward and called out "Boys, who's your leader?" The IWW men laughed and jeered, replying "We're all leaders," and they started to swing out the gang plank."
"...followed by about ten minutes of intense gunfire"


"...historians Philip Taft and Philip Ross have pointed out in their comments on violence in labor history that "IWW activity was virtually free of violence... It is of some interest to note that a speaker who advocated violence at a meeting at the IWW hall in Everett [Washington] was later exposed as a private detective.""

"Upon returning to Seattle, 75 Wobblies were arrested as a direct result of the "Everett Massacre" including IWW leader Thomas H. Tracy. They were taken to the Snohomish County jail in Everett and charged with murder of the 2 deputies. After a two-month trial, Tracy was acquitted by a jury on May 5, 1917. Shortly thereafter, all charges were dropped against the remaining 73 defendants and they were released from jail."

/The vigilantes were more anarchist than the Wobblies.
//STOP. BLAMING. THE WORKERS.
 
2013-01-03 10:55:16 AM

RanDomino: Yeah. Actually a very high degree of organization- I mean, what's it tell you that the other major misrepresentation of Anarchist organization is that there are way too many meetings. But anyway sorry for snapping at you.


Oh, didn't think you snapped at me and I'm always happy to learn new stuff. I'll have to look into this.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:24 AM
IlGreven
/The vigilantes were more anarchist than the Wobblies.

forehead, desk
 
2013-01-03 11:25:36 AM

cynicalMFer: Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.


That pretty much describes the WTO protest in Seattle some years ago when I was there. Some people just don't think.
 
2013-01-03 11:48:56 AM
It nicked the car hood and rolled off, was picked up and thrown again at the same car. No one was injured.

Kind of embarrassing for an anarchist, don't you think? He might want to consider changing his line of social protest to a less demanding one.
 
2013-01-03 12:06:54 PM
RanDomino

tinfoil-hat maggie
That does not sound like anarchy. : )

Too bad. That's what Anarchists advocate.


RevMark
I don't think RanDomino got the joke.

fark that joke.


You're never gonna get it, dude. Just move on...
 
2013-01-03 12:36:16 PM

cynicalMFer: Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.

Seriously, if any of y'all are reading this --the next time you want to go protest for a goo cause or to show solidarity orr whatever else .. don't. Just don't. When an otherwise-peaceful event turns violent because your buddy threw a brick at a cop then YOU'RE NOT HELPING. All you're doing is turning public opinion against you and giving the powers-that-be an excuse to clamp down harder in the future .. and we don't need to give them an excuse.

Please, just stay home and if you wanna smash things break your own shiat for a change.


They don't really seem to care whether they're "helping." They're just another kind of troll, trying to stir shiat up, or vandals who think they can get away stuff in a crowd.

I have a (slightly) similar complaint about the Palestinian protestors in DC. Not that they're in any way violent; just that they show up to join any protest, regardless of the cause, and try to act like it's about them. They'll march along with the others, but wave signs about their own cause. If it's a pro-choice or pro-life protest, NO, you are not part of it. You can stand at the side and do your own thing, but you cannot pretend a NORML smoke-in or teabagger torch-wielding mob is about you. It's NOT.

</rant>
 
2013-01-03 01:37:53 PM
Did they all repeat the 'Nonconformist's Oath'?
 
2013-01-03 01:42:47 PM
Game. Blouses.
 
2013-01-03 01:46:51 PM

AbbeySomeone: video man: naughtyrev: Is he in a Flock of Seagulls cover band or something?

Flock of Seagulls crossed with Prince.

Done here.


It looks like he's trying to be Dave Navarro.
 
2013-01-03 01:50:32 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: RanDomino: tinfoil-hat maggie
That does not sound like anarchy. : )

Too bad. That's what Anarchists advocate.


RevMark
I don't think RanDomino got the joke.

fark that joke.

Oh, well cool, I guess I need to learn more, then. I and I guess most everybody not in the know believes it means no social order.


For any movement large enough, you'll find people within arguing about what the movement is "really about" or what "we really stand for."  Doesn't matter whether the movement is anarchy, gay rights, feminism, or anything else.  It just needs a critical number of adherents. It could be the Blue Movement and Turquoise, Zaffre, and Periwinkle would argue about what color the Movement was REALLY about.
 
2013-01-03 01:56:59 PM

gerbilpox: cynicalMFer: Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.

Seriously, if any of y'all are reading this --the next time you want to go protest for a goo cause or to show solidarity orr whatever else .. don't. Just don't. When an otherwise-peaceful event turns violent because your buddy threw a brick at a cop then YOU'RE NOT HELPING. All you're doing is turning public opinion against you and giving the powers-that-be an excuse to clamp down harder in the future .. and we don't need to give them an excuse.

Please, just stay home and if you wanna smash things break your own shiat for a change.

They don't really seem to care whether they're "helping." They're just another kind of troll, trying to stir shiat up, or vandals who think they can get away stuff in a crowd.

I have a (slightly) similar complaint about the Palestinian protestors in DC. Not that they're in any way violent; just that they show up to join any protest, regardless of the cause, and try to act like it's about them. They'll march along with the others, but wave signs about their own cause. If it's a pro-choice or pro-life protest, NO, you are not part of it. You can stand at the side and do your own thing, but you cannot pretend a NORML smoke-in or teabagger torch-wielding mob is about you. It's NOT.


I suspect that it's a universal problem with any kind of movement that does demonstrations or protest marches.  I was one of the peaceniks demonstrating against the Gulf War back in 1990 (back then we called it "The Iraq War" not knowing there would be more than one).  We had people from all kinds of other movements show up to march alongside us waving their signs and banners for their issue.  Which made me want to smack them.

You may think the right to breastfeed in public is very important, ma;am, and I may be sympathetic to your cause, but please march about that in your OWN demonstration and leave ours alone.
 
2013-01-03 02:11:06 PM

ciberido: I suspect that it's a universal problem with any kind of movement that does demonstrations or protest marches. I was one of the peaceniks demonstrating against the Gulf War back in 1990 (back then we called it "The Iraq War" not knowing there would be more than one). We had people from all kinds of other movements show up to march alongside us waving their signs and banners for their issue. Which made me want to smack them.

You may think the right to breastfeed in public is very important, ma;am, and I may be sympathetic to your cause, but please march about that in your OWN demonstration and leave ours alone.


For her, I'd be willing to make an exception.
 
2013-01-03 02:35:34 PM

cynicalMFer: Portland anarchists? fark those guys with a cactus coated in pepper spray. They show up at protests, rallys and marches here, and no matter what it's about or what the cause is, some asshole with a black bandanna starts breaking shiat. Then the police get involved and it turns into a mess.

Seriously, if any of y'all are reading this --the next time you want to go protest for a goo cause or to show solidarity orr whatever else .. don't. Just don't. When an otherwise-peaceful event turns violent because your buddy threw a brick at a cop then YOU'RE NOT HELPING. All you're doing is turning public opinion against you and giving the powers-that-be an excuse to clamp down harder in the future .. and we don't need to give them an excuse.

Please, just stay home and if you wanna smash things break your own shiat for a change.


I'm torn between thinking that these are just idiots who want to smash stuff and don't think their cunning plans all the way through or they are undercover infiltrators that are purposely trying to give the protestors a bad name.

/what's wrong with me?
 
2013-01-03 02:47:06 PM
media.oregonlive.com

www.ifc.com

Makes you realize Portlandia isn't a satire, it's a documentary.
 
2013-01-03 03:35:21 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com

Did someone say "arson investigation"?
 
2013-01-03 08:08:11 PM
ShannonKW
That pretty much describes the WTO protest in Seattle some years ago when I was there. Some people just don't think.

Millions of people would never have heard of the WTO if it wasn't for that. The events of that week were an embarassment to the neoliberals- the talks collapsed and the WTO still hasn't recovered. I wouldn't say that could be directly attributed to the property damage and police riot (which started earlier, during the pacifist 'human wall' blockade- the police tried clearing intersections with mass arrests, pepper-spraying groups of people who were sitting down, random beatings, even using q-tips to swab pepper spray under people's eyelids... you know, standard operating procedure), but it certainly helped smear feces on the WTO brand in general.


gerbilpox
I have a (slightly) similar complaint about the Palestinian protestors in DC. Not that they're in any way violent; just that they show up to join any protest, regardless of the cause, and try to act like it's about them. They'll march along with the others, but wave signs about their own cause. If it's a pro-choice or pro-life protest, NO, you are not part of it. You can stand at the side and do your own thing, but you cannot pretend a NORML smoke-in or teabagger torch-wielding mob is about you. It's NOT.

I strongly suspect that a lot of the Palestine solidary stuff is a plot by Communist parties to trick people into joining. "Oh, you support that? Well then surely you support the Palestinian people. Here, have a pamphlet and a newspaper and come to this talk about why only The One True Revolution can save them. And give us your money."


Clint_Torres
I'm torn between thinking that these are just idiots who want to smash stuff and don't think their cunning plans all the way through or they are undercover infiltrators that are purposely trying to give the protestors a bad name.

/what's wrong with me?


Not much, IMO.
I've been trying for years to figure out the thought process of the 'insurrectionist' tendency, but I have to conclude that it boils down to "shiat's farked, let's break things." I'm pretty sure that if I said that to their faces they would nod and murmur assent rather than get mad.

There's something to their thinking, but they're not willing to do the work to make it really happen. For example one aspect is this idea of "rupture" where all the farked-up shiat in society, the economy, politics, just comes to a head (in part pushed by cracking the Spectacle by smashing storefronts, banks, and government buildings, since the Spectacle relies on maintaining an illusion of being all-encompassing and invincible- the 'broken windows theory' in reverse), and everyone's had enough and you have situations like Egypt and Wisconsin in 2011 (or Eastern Europe in 1989 or everywhere in 1968 or 1919 or 1848 or...) where the old order is swept away and everyone meets in the street. But they were there (in Wisconsin) and despite the situation clearly being a rupture they had no plan, no organization, no way of taking decisive action, nothing. At least they were smart enough to realize breaking windows at random bougie stores would have been a bad idea.

What they don't understand (or don't want to do the work to create) is that you can have a rupture, sure, but to avoid returning to an even more farked-up version of what's been going on requires organization. Unions, community organizations, solidarity societies, etc. That takes time and it takes work, the kind of work whose main purpose is to prove that you're capable of doing kick-ass things under shiatty conditions. It's not easy and it might not even be fun (although it can be!). But that's how to build skills and organization and inspire others to do the same so that when the next rupture happens something good can happen (instead of the capture by political parties of the wave of 2011, the recuperation of 1968, the betrayals of 1919, the utter failure of 1848...).

Maybe breaking windows and half-assedly rioting is a good idea, I don't know (although I do loves me that riot porn); but they're not doing the organizing work and that's really all that matters. So instead we get to spend all this time and money and energy bailing out our friends and doing prisoner support, which is great for bringing Anarchists together, but only as Anarchists rather than as members of the community.

If Chris Hedges reads this, THIS IS HOW YOU DO CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM, MOTHERfarkER.
 
2013-01-04 04:23:01 PM

RanDomino: IlGreven
/The vigilantes were more anarchist than the Wobblies.

forehead, desk


Did you even read the farking Wikipedia article?
 
2013-01-04 05:50:35 PM
IlGreven
Did you even read the farking Wikipedia article?

Of course the murderers and tyrants were the real anarchists, because anarchists just want to murder and destroy. obviously. yep, that's what it boils down to. anyone who does those things must be an anarchist.
 
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