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2013-01-03 06:22:32 PM

ErikShocker: Oh, McGuyver's gay!

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Wheeeeee!
 
2013-01-03 07:58:52 PM

FuryOfFirestorm: Mentalpatient87: You know who are some irritating gay characters? Greg and Terry from American Dad. I chalk them up to Seth McFarlane being... himself.

They pale in comparison to Mitch and Cameron on Modern Family. Cam needs to dial the drama queen act down from 11 and Mitch could stand to be less of a prissy b*tch.


I know plenty of gay men who are pretty much walking Mitch's or Cam's. I also know normal professional wouldn't-know-unless-you-asked types. YMMV
 
2013-01-03 08:26:36 PM

Onkel Buck: Spandau: Mike Seaver.  Totally gay.

No shiat his best friend was called Boner


And his hand was Intelligently Designed by his Creator to hold...umm...a banana...yeah...that's it.
 
2013-01-03 09:20:16 PM

jackiepaper: FuryOfFirestorm: Mentalpatient87: You know who are some irritating gay characters? Greg and Terry from American Dad. I chalk them up to Seth McFarlane being... himself.

They pale in comparison to Mitch and Cameron on Modern Family. Cam needs to dial the drama queen act down from 11 and Mitch could stand to be less of a prissy b*tch.

I know plenty of gay men who are pretty much walking Mitch's or Cam's. I also know normal professional wouldn't-know-unless-you-asked types. YMMV


My beef with Modern Family is that they do a terrible job of showing why Mitch and Cam are friends, much less partners who supposedly love each other. They're always shown fighting and squabbling, but unlike with Phil and Claire, we rarely see Cam and Mitch showing any sort of affection or anything else that suggests that they're two people who want to spend the rest of their lives together.

Oh, and my other beef is that they established that Cam played D-1 college football, but any time the show him running it's all mincing and flapping his hands and he looks like he never played a sport in his life, much less major college football. Even assuming that he butched himself up big time while playing football, it's just not believable except for playing up badly dated stereotypes for humor at the expense of established character development.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:09 PM

entropic_existence: KatjaMouse: Well, I'm keeping honest and didn't pirate season 3 and even cut a check last week to PBS because I appreciate Downton that much. From what little I get concerning him in season 3 is that he's definitely going to be more fleshed out and we get a better peek into his life to see how it is he came to be. However, back in season 1, that initial introduction was definitely cringe worthy.

Yeah, I was trying to be spolier-free since I know not everyone who watches has seen season 3.


I WANT SEASON 3 NOW!!

I keep hearing great things about it.
 
2013-01-03 11:24:13 PM

4seasons85!: entropic_existence: KatjaMouse: Well, I'm keeping honest and didn't pirate season 3 and even cut a check last week to PBS because I appreciate Downton that much. From what little I get concerning him in season 3 is that he's definitely going to be more fleshed out and we get a better peek into his life to see how it is he came to be. However, back in season 1, that initial introduction was definitely cringe worthy.

Yeah, I was trying to be spolier-free since I know not everyone who watches has seen season 3.

I WANT SEASON 3 NOW!!

I keep hearing great things about it.


It is good, though I shan't say anything more about it.

As for Thomas, I never saw him as really embodying the gay villain trope. It seemed to me like they were trying to use that to humanize him and make him more than just a pure villain. You can only go so far in hating him because you're also supposed to feel bad for him. Granted, that's problematic as well since it's getting close to the "tragic gay" trope, but I don't think he was ever presented as the "evil gay" trope. Him being a villain has always seemed to me to be separate and unrelated to him being gay--unlike with the typical presentation of that trope, the two aren't linked.
 
2013-01-03 11:28:50 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Who's not gay... he's just sometimes a foppish dandy who looks like your grandma

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Tune in for "Gay or Just British?"! It's the exciting new game show that stumps the experts!
 
2013-01-03 11:51:42 PM

bingo the psych-o: FirstNationalBastard: Who's not gay... he's just sometimes a foppish dandy who looks like your grandma

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Tune in for "Gay or Just British?"! It's the exciting new game show that stumps the experts!


I can't wait for the inferior American adaptation: "Gay Or Just Southern?"
 
2013-01-04 12:38:58 AM

rynthetyn: 4seasons85!: entropic_existence: KatjaMouse: Well, I'm keeping honest and didn't pirate season 3 and even cut a check last week to PBS because I appreciate Downton that much. From what little I get concerning him in season 3 is that he's definitely going to be more fleshed out and we get a better peek into his life to see how it is he came to be. However, back in season 1, that initial introduction was definitely cringe worthy.

Yeah, I was trying to be spolier-free since I know not everyone who watches has seen season 3.

I WANT SEASON 3 NOW!!

I keep hearing great things about it.

It is good, though I shan't say anything more about it.

As for Thomas, I never saw him as really embodying the gay villain trope. It seemed to me like they were trying to use that to humanize him and make him more than just a pure villain. You can only go so far in hating him because you're also supposed to feel bad for him. Granted, that's problematic as well since it's getting close to the "tragic gay" trope, but I don't think he was ever presented as the "evil gay" trope. Him being a villain has always seemed to me to be separate and unrelated to him being gay--unlike with the typical presentation of that trope, the two aren't linked.


This is how I feel about his character. I feel, correct me if you think differently, that he hides his emotions behind a wall of anger and cruelty. Like the time he tried to explain his emotions towards the blind patient we saw how he truly feels. So I think you are right.
 
2013-01-04 01:41:16 AM

Brother_Mouzone: Max Awesome: Actually, I'm not sure it's a dynamic you see on television today, come to think of it. Bewitched was pretty subversive for it's time.


I believe, and dont quote me on this, that Agnes Moorehead (Endora), was a lesbian.


Yes, I believe she was.

In fact, by the end of the show, the only regular castmember who wasn't gay was probably Larry Tate.
 
2013-01-04 03:17:41 AM

4seasons85!: rynthetyn: 4seasons85!: entropic_existence: KatjaMouse: Well, I'm keeping honest and didn't pirate season 3 and even cut a check last week to PBS because I appreciate Downton that much. From what little I get concerning him in season 3 is that he's definitely going to be more fleshed out and we get a better peek into his life to see how it is he came to be. However, back in season 1, that initial introduction was definitely cringe worthy.

Yeah, I was trying to be spolier-free since I know not everyone who watches has seen season 3.

I WANT SEASON 3 NOW!!

I keep hearing great things about it.

It is good, though I shan't say anything more about it.

As for Thomas, I never saw him as really embodying the gay villain trope. It seemed to me like they were trying to use that to humanize him and make him more than just a pure villain. You can only go so far in hating him because you're also supposed to feel bad for him. Granted, that's problematic as well since it's getting close to the "tragic gay" trope, but I don't think he was ever presented as the "evil gay" trope. Him being a villain has always seemed to me to be separate and unrelated to him being gay--unlike with the typical presentation of that trope, the two aren't linked.

This is how I feel about his character. I feel, correct me if you think differently, that he hides his emotions behind a wall of anger and cruelty. Like the time he tried to explain his emotions towards the blind patient we saw how he truly feels. So I think you are right.


I'd agree with that, and I think it was hinted at even in the early episodes. Plus, a lot of his scheming was egged on by O'Brien, who is, I think, far and away the real villain of the show. She encouraged and cultivated Thomas' worst tendencies quite a lot.
 
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