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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 79
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2013-01-03 08:47:03 AM
11 votes:
Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."
2013-01-03 09:02:54 AM
8 votes:
Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.
2013-01-03 08:51:35 AM
8 votes:
Over zealous assistant manager says something stupid, and the situation was quickly resolved by the manager before the cops even left the table. But these poor, poor law enforcement officers had their feelings hurt, so they just had to make sure that this turned into a bigger issue then the situation warranted.

The cops were bigger morans then the manager.
2013-01-03 08:51:57 AM
7 votes:
Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.
2013-01-03 09:06:22 AM
6 votes:

here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.
2013-01-03 08:50:14 AM
6 votes:
Private business' rights to serve, how do they work?

/In all likeliness, the guy detectives were being douche or the manager did not realize who they are, or they were scaring other customers away.

//DNRTFA
2013-01-03 08:50:10 AM
6 votes:
Sounds like a manager screwed up and the higher up manager went over to correct the error and yet these cops felt harassed, dang might it be they are making a bigger issue of this in hopes of free food from denny's.

I don't believe I would want any of these 5 officers handling a dispute.
2013-01-03 08:45:54 AM
6 votes:
The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's
2013-01-03 09:01:39 AM
5 votes:
How many stories are there on Fark about employees being summarily fired for not following arcane company rules to the letter, despite it being obvious to all present that the rule was stupid in this-or-that case?

How many Walmart greeters need to be frog-marched out the door before a low-level Denny's employee got the message - 'comply.'

He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.
2013-01-03 08:51:19 AM
5 votes:
If Obama and the democrats want to disarm the public, then the police should be disarmed as well. Otherwise, the power lies with the state, not its citizens.
2013-01-03 08:48:48 AM
5 votes:
Denny's apologized for the overzealous behavior of a night shift assistant manager. Seems like that should be the end of it.
2013-01-03 08:45:10 AM
5 votes:
Once again, laws only affect the law-abiding.

\the Dude abides
2013-01-03 09:18:35 AM
4 votes:
On the one hand, there's the stupid, overzealous manager who ultimately apologized.

On the other hand, there's immature, power-trip loving cops who just can't believe that a restuarant manager had the gall to question their authority.

I feel like the mature thing to do here is for the manager and Denny's to apologize for the misunderstanding, and for the cops to graciously accept the apology. Instead, we have this stupid, childish bullshiat story to read.
2013-01-03 09:05:08 AM
3 votes:

here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs


After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.
2013-01-03 08:59:10 AM
3 votes:
Were the officers black?
2013-01-03 08:57:42 AM
3 votes:
Oh no!

Someone who owns that franchise store made a decision about that business conservatives disagree with! They should go to jail!

Because freedom and the tenth amendment. Or something like that.
2013-01-03 08:50:37 AM
3 votes:
Everyone should carry a gun in Bellevile.
2013-01-03 08:49:44 AM
3 votes:
On Duty Police are now banned by their Captain, and the news decided to paint a HUGE bullseye for armed robbers by making this public?

Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today".

warm up the popcorn, this is gonna get good.
2013-01-03 08:49:32 AM
3 votes:
Problem corrected in-house. Non-story. But nice troll. Bring the derp: Plenty to go around on both sides of the playpen.
2013-01-03 08:48:01 AM
3 votes:
"Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Nope, don't see firearms on that list.

It's another story that this is just a bad business move. Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?
2013-01-03 10:42:12 AM
2 votes:

browneye: The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's


Denny's isn't a place you go; it's a place where you end up.
2013-01-03 09:16:17 AM
2 votes:

ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.


Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.
2013-01-03 09:13:59 AM
2 votes:

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


I kind of feel the same way. Having grown up in a gun free culture, open carry by anyone makes me very uncomfortable. I've had to face down a pair of APD cops who wanted to illegally enter my home once, stretched my arms out across the doorway but was careful not to touch them.

I fear cops more than gang bangers - at least if a gang banger shoots a middle class white guy, he gets prosecuted.
2013-01-03 09:13:12 AM
2 votes:

Kit Fister: Private property laws and such about carrying firearms would apply, though police officers are legally exempted from any laws or bans on firearms in various places (as are voluntary reserve officers and other select people), so it gets iffy.


Not always. I would be exempt during the execution of my duties. Having lunch does not fall into that category even on duty.

Responding there for a call? Yes
Ordering the Lumberjack Slam? No
2013-01-03 09:12:36 AM
2 votes:

pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.


No, but there are an abundance of incidents involving police using unnecessary force, including guns when they're not warranted.
2013-01-03 09:11:37 AM
2 votes:

mayIFark: Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?


If the cops did their jobs in a helpful, thoughtful and respectful way then people wouldn't have to worry so much about self defense.

Same goes for the entire criminal justice system. They create more anti social behavior than they prevent.
2013-01-03 09:08:30 AM
2 votes:

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.
2013-01-03 09:02:20 AM
2 votes:
I hope this Denny's doesn't have a problem with making, "suffer an armed robbery" part of their routine...at least the neighboring business who didn't act so stupidly will be safer because of this. Free market win!!
2013-01-03 08:59:25 AM
2 votes:
Three minutes later: "Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!"
2013-01-03 11:44:38 AM
1 votes:

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


You are correct. People that do not like the police commonly grasp on the language "no duty to protect" that was used and throw it around like it actually means something. They picture a police officer watching you getting raped walking away whistling....screw that I am on break.

It is to limit civil liability and that is all.

In practice, if you are in danger it is my duty to step in and protect you period. I don't give two shiats how that case is read or written. It's in the oath that I took, it's in my job description, and I do it all the time.
2013-01-03 11:35:14 AM
1 votes:

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


No, nothing is missing.

The police have no duty to protect you as the individual. If they're able to do so, great but they don't have a legal obligation.
2013-01-03 11:21:05 AM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.


My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and smoking pot. They were loud enough that a cop stopped by to investigate. After he got bailed out of jail, all he could talk about was how the cop was being an ass and that he had no right to search his car. No mention of how dumb it was to be out drinking, making a lot of noise, and smoking pot.

People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.
2013-01-03 10:44:43 AM
1 votes:

fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop


Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.
2013-01-03 10:37:19 AM
1 votes:
Sadly, the idea that we should leave the guns to the "trained professionals" is a joke. They're often badly trained horrible shots and unfortunately, are too well protected from being held responsible for bad behavior and even blatantly illegal actions.
2013-01-03 10:37:17 AM
1 votes:
Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop, so if the place says "No Guns on Premises" then that's the farking rule, asshole. I get really tired of cops parking wherever the hell they want, blowing traffic signals, and basically acting like Mr. Big Dick because they have a badge.
2013-01-03 10:36:47 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.

Three recent studies - one from Texas A&M, one from GA Tech and one currently under way at Stanford - show that "stand your ground" states have significantly higher homicide rates than other states and that the laws do not deter crime one iota. In fact, the crime rates on these states is actually higher. The homicides are variously classified by the police, but when using standard criteria to classify them, the majority of homocides are not justifiable, i.e., not self-defense. Though the data are difficult to examine, owing to a lack of standards in reporting by law enforcement, most of the stand your ground killings seem to be the result of what would otherwise be minor scuffles. When a altercation occurs, both parties consider the other guy the "bad guy" and considers himself "threatened" and the gun comes out.

The NRA has performed "technical analyses" of these peer-reviewed studies and have predictably labelled them as "flawed." However, they refuse to subject their "analyses" to peer-review.


oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.
2013-01-03 10:32:09 AM
1 votes:

here to help: MycroftHolmes: So, can you elaborate on your somewhat non-sequitor and incoherent argument that choosing to eat somewhere else while on duty is completely neglecting their sworn duties? I would love to see the chain of logic that supports this assertion.

*sigh*

Fine I will feed your troll... but just this once. I was referring to all the people gleefully saying the cops are gonna let criminals do whatever they want to the restaurant because of the perceived slight.


There are a few internet concepts you need to learn. One is attribution, or the concept of, when responding to a specific post and not the general content of the thread, you should quote the person you are responding to. It is a little tricky at first, but with practice, you will get pretty good at it. The second term you should look up is trolling. Pointing out the stupidity of your arguments does not count as trolling just because you disagree with what is being written.

Keep working buddy, you will surely get better at this.
2013-01-03 10:26:45 AM
1 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: long read, felt appropriate for the thread

linked because too big:
big-ass pic with story about idiots freaking out at the sight of a citizen with a firearm


Lot of places in Colorado and some places in MI, especially away from large cities, people open carry all the time. I don't give a rat's ass, it's their right and legal to do. Most other people don't, either, in those areas.

However, it's generally polite and smart to not advertise you have a gun, since while you may have excellent gun handling skills, chances are you're not a martial artist or hand to hand combat expert who will be able to prevent someone with the element of surprise from beating you and taking your weapon.

What I do in my own home, and what I have on or about my person, is none of anyone's business unless I decide to advertise it.
2013-01-03 10:22:57 AM
1 votes:
long read, felt appropriate for the thread

linked because too big:
big-ass pic with story about idiots freaking out at the sight of a citizen with a firearm
2013-01-03 10:22:41 AM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.


Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.
2013-01-03 10:22:09 AM
1 votes:

HindiDiscoMonster: Kimpak: Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.

Is it paranoia if it's true?


Enough cops I've run into are paranoid jerks who take their copness make them feel superior that i personally would rather rely on the boyscouts than the Police. Further, enough of the street cops are unskilled jackasses that I'd really rather not be anywhere near them if they have to discharge their weapons.

Something that amuses me is that on one hand you have threads filled with folks that rag on the police and how they're corrupt douchebags that couldn't protect a baloney sammich, and those same folks are the ones that turn around and say that the average citizen gun owner shouldn't need to own guns because of the police who have all this special training.

So which is it? Are the police the paramilitary special forces with more training than your average Navy SEAL, or are they inept jackasses? My experience, per my first statement in this reply, has been the latter.
2013-01-03 10:17:04 AM
1 votes:
The real issue is that this is possibly the most poorly edited article in the history of poorly edited articles. It looks like it was texted in by a lazy ten year-old who has only enough sense not to use U and B4.

In other non-news, there is a brand-new Waffle House being built about a mile from here. Who ever heard of such a thing?
2013-01-03 10:16:49 AM
1 votes:

Kimpak: Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.


Is it paranoia if it's true?
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM
1 votes:

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM
1 votes:

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


In my experience, dicks tend to seek out jobs that allow them to be dicks.  Being a dick makes you a good cop...not a good person.
2013-01-03 09:45:24 AM
1 votes:
Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.
2013-01-03 09:43:33 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Sadly, this. Paying taxes isn't enough to get police protection; you have to kiss their butts, too.
2013-01-03 09:29:05 AM
1 votes:

here to help: It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.


I'd be less likely to go to a 'cop bar' than a 'gangbanger' bar. At least with the latter, I'm on equal legal footing. If one of the regulars attacks me and I fight back, I don't get a BS stack of charges against me and I at least have a chance of an objective police report. I don't have anything close to the same level of confidence of a fair outcome in a cop bar.

I know of one cop bar for sure, and I can kind of guess the gangbanger bars so I avoid both. If I was at a seemingly nice, normal bar and some gangbanger types came in, I'd wait and see how they act before deciding to leave. If a group of cops comes in, maybe it's some guys last day or something, I'm out.
2013-01-03 09:28:28 AM
1 votes:

generallyso: FTA: Belleville Police Captain Don sax said, "It's absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it's completely disrespectful."


You'd think a police captain would refrain from run-on sentences.
2013-01-03 09:23:36 AM
1 votes:

EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.


I'm guessing the night manager at a Denny's isn't going to be the smartest cat in the world and have the greatest grasp of the Denny's policy book. I don't buy that 5 detectives had their feelings hurt and were embarrassed by a Denny's employee asking them to leave. Detectives are normally experienced officers and have training on being assertive. I've seen a cop nearly arrest a someone at a workplace because that person asked the cop to move out of the way of a forklift, the cop asked if he was interfering with his investigation. The person had 0 personal/professional skills and told more than ask, but still the cop didn't get his feelings hurt.

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


If your behavior at a Denny's changes because police sit down for a meal you may want to rethink behaving that way public regardless of a police presence.
2013-01-03 09:20:51 AM
1 votes:
Local Denny's manager is no rocket scientist. Film at 11.
2013-01-03 09:19:53 AM
1 votes:
Why does Subby hate private property rights?
2013-01-03 09:17:33 AM
1 votes:
here to help: ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.

Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as more than the "bad" guys.

FTFeveryone
2013-01-03 09:15:53 AM
1 votes:

phrawgh: Denny's serves donuts?

thefrugalgirls.com
2013-01-03 09:12:22 AM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"


Police: Your credit card number and last four of social security number please.

Dennys: What?

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


/Conservative perfect world of no entitlement program
2013-01-03 09:12:03 AM
1 votes:

mayIFark: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.

Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?


The police are not required to protect the individual, as has been ruled repeatedly by the Supreme Court. The Police exist to protect society by investigating crimes that have been committed and identifying the perpetrators in order to prosecute and remove them from society. See the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=disp l ay_arch&article_id=341&issue_id=72004
http://overlawyered.com/2011/12/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-prot e ct-you-yes-really/

It is the responsibility of the citizen to defend themselves from immediate harm. It is the responsibility of the police to arrest the asstard (or pick up the body) after the fact. So it goes.
2013-01-03 09:08:25 AM
1 votes:
This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.
2013-01-03 09:05:30 AM
1 votes:
I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.
2013-01-03 09:05:19 AM
1 votes:
Can we establish minimum standards for the "Not News, News, Fark" thing?

"Denny's manager turns away men with guns," doesn't seem newsworthy to me. Maybe:

"Boring: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Interesting: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers." or

"Small Town, Red State News: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Fark: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers."

But the "Not News..." thing only works if the story actually escalates to a funny/absurd level. Escalating from "boring" to "interesting" isn't enough.

Good example:
Not News: Senator cheats on wife. News: Using taxpayer funds for romantic vacations. Fark: "Other woman" was actually his pet frog.)
2013-01-03 09:03:50 AM
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Well what would have happened if another diner decided to grab their gun? A shootout would occur and people might get shot.

It's just not worth it. Common sense people. C'mon.


Because we all know that if a cop is there with a gun, everyone is perfectly safe.

Seems to me a local store owner decided who can come into his place of business. Why do you hate small business / job creators?
2013-01-03 09:03:21 AM
1 votes:
Ah, it's always fun to see the town I live in, and the Denny's down the street from my house, make Fark.

What's incredibly farking stupid about this situation is that the Denny's is less than a mile from the police station and the courthouse. Cops have been eating there for decades. And you'd think that you'd want uniformed and armed officers frequenting your place of business when you're open 24 hours and just 10 minutes down the road from East St. Louis.
2013-01-03 09:02:58 AM
1 votes:

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot or from Pakistan.


FTFY
2013-01-03 09:01:21 AM
1 votes:

DeathBySmiley: Oh no!

Someone who owns that franchise store made a decision about that business conservatives disagree with! They should go to jail!

Because freedom and the tenth amendment. Or something like that.


Not sure where you pulled that info from, but it makes you look as stupid as the Denny's manager and the butt-hurt cops.
2013-01-03 09:00:47 AM
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay


Think about that. One manager comes to your table to tell you you can't have guns in Denny's. You let them know you are police officers (in case they didn't already know), and they say, "Sorry, you still can't have your gun in here." You get up to leave mid-meal, and some other manager comes over and says you can stay if you want. What would you do? I think I'd go ahead and leave. On the other hand, I have never been much on being where I'm not wanted.
2013-01-03 09:00:11 AM
1 votes:
I'd call Belleville a shiathole, but that would be unfair to outhouses.
2013-01-03 08:59:51 AM
1 votes:

Coming on a Bicycle: I'm sure that the people who normally argue: 'their place, their rules' are going to have a civilized discussion here.


Well, it's not actually their rules. Just a stupid, overzealous manager who was quickly overruled.
But I'm sure that won't stop the inevitable hysteria, butthurt, threats of boycott, and all the other outrage du jour crap.
2013-01-03 08:59:33 AM
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Most places don't let armed gang members in.
2013-01-03 08:59:20 AM
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I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.
2013-01-03 08:56:43 AM
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here to help: Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


This. The worst that'll happen with the gangbangers is getting stomped by them. The police will stomp you, and then charge you with bull****. Plus they actually have incentives to behave. Who's going to swing by the police station to administer wall-to-wall counselling to police officers that act out?
2013-01-03 08:55:20 AM
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The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.


and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay, really these cops carry guns and are there to protect and serve and they don't understand a employee who made a mistake. I'm willing to guess they meals would have been on the house.
2013-01-03 08:53:05 AM
1 votes:
I'm sure that the people who normally argue: 'their place, their rules' are going to have a civilized discussion here.
2013-01-03 08:52:58 AM
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JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Awwww, that's so cute.
2013-01-03 08:51:45 AM
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RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.
2013-01-03 08:50:10 AM
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The manager can ask anyone to leave regardless of the reason. He cannot make an officer take off his weapon regardless of what he thinks.

I am sure the Denny's Corporation will be having a conversation with the owner of this franchise. Police love them some Denny's.
2013-01-03 08:50:01 AM
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Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.
2013-01-03 08:49:56 AM
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The manager sounds like an a-hole.
2013-01-03 08:49:13 AM
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If Denny's doesn't allow people to bring their weapons, he still has a point.
2013-01-03 08:46:56 AM
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Right of free association.
2013-01-03 08:46:30 AM
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I am sure they were actually there investigating the Tuesday Meatloaf surprise for crimes against humanity.
 
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