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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 358
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2013-01-03 12:54:24 PM

CheekyMonkey: MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and ...

Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are lying bullies.

Ever have a cop pull you over for a taillight out, and then give you several field sobriety tests because he claimed to "smell alcohol" when no one in the car had been drinking? I have, twice. Yes, of course I passed all the waste-my-time tests, BECAUSE I HAD NOT BEEN DRINKING. No, I no longer drive through Mendham NJ at night, because the cops are assholes, with nothing better to do than harass people.

Ever had a cop harass you by claiming he saw you talking on a cell phone while driving WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A CELL PHONE? I have. That one shut up when I offered him the chance to search my car and my person and ticket me if he found a cell phone, but that I would be contacting his supervisor if he did not.


Did you have a tail light out?
 
2013-01-03 12:54:32 PM
Local citizens like Jennifer Veri support the police, Veri said, "You want them to be with their guns that makes them cops so they can protect the public."

And here we see the opinion of the local day care students. Next, we'll see Veri's crayon drawings and put them on the refrigerator.
 
2013-01-03 01:00:29 PM

here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.


No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.
 
2013-01-03 01:02:12 PM

Masta Kronix: I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?

But that's not what happened if you read the article.

Patron of Denny's noticed people at a table with guns, told a manager.

Manager told patrons with guns they were not allowed to have fire arms while dining in Denny's.

Patrons informed manager they were off-duty police officers.

Manager then asks them to please secure them in their vehicles then because they don't allow firearms in the establishment.

Instead of politely complying and understanding the request Police Officers refused to secure their firearms and instead walked out even after another manager apologized for the incident and told them they could stay.

Now after Denny's themselves released an official statement saying it was a misunderstanding, the Police Chief is still making a big deal out of it.

That's why people don't like cops. That entire incident could have been avoided if they just respected the Denny's wishes and just secure their guns in their cars but no, they couldn't be bothered to do that and now it's the restaurants fault for having the nerve to ask the OFF-DUTY Police Officers to please secure their guns in their vehicles because it was making other patrons nervous.


Except they were ON DUTY detectives.
 
2013-01-03 01:05:55 PM

here to help: Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


I've never known anybody that didn't want a hole in they butt. Its absolutely what they want.
 
2013-01-03 01:06:38 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?


Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.
 
2013-01-03 01:07:36 PM

semiotix: Everybody comes off looking like a bit of jerk here. The manager for inventing Denny's policy, and the police chief for his hurt fee-fees stunt afterwards. It's half a loaf of cop-hate--don't get greedy.


Actually, the manager wasn't inventing policy. (2010 story: "WTOC contacted Denny's, who told us their policy is not to allow conspicuous weapons.")

But as reasons for cop-hate goes, I'd agree that this one isn't exactly compelling.
 
2013-01-03 01:09:13 PM

JSam21: here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.

No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.


Did you not read Zarquon's post? He stated that he was neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder. He would just pitch a hissy fit if he was asked to comply with the rules of the establishment. How would you be doing the business a favor by violating their rules?
 
2013-01-03 01:13:22 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: JSam21: here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.

No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.

Did you not read Zarquon's post? He stated that he was neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder. He would just pitch a hissy fit if he was asked to comply with the rules of the establishment. How would you be doing the business a favor by violating their rules?


I shouldn't have replied using that post. My apologies
 
2013-01-03 01:17:38 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.
 
2013-01-03 01:18:40 PM

JSam21: More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?

Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.


Times have changed. When my dad was a cop, he absolutely was considered out of service when he was on lunch break. That's not to say that he couldn't be back in service at a moments notice by either a call or observation of events immediately around him. Just that for those few minutes, in terms of his responsibility to observe and obey "the rules" (no turning on the red lights and siren to avoid the traffic light, no immediately going to the head of the line, that sort of thing), he was a civilian. Of course, back in that time and place, stated policies of no weapons on premises weren't really a thing.
 
2013-01-03 01:18:57 PM

ongbok: FTA
Sax said the police had their badges in full view, either by their handguns or they were wearing them around their necks. Plus, portable police radios were on the table.

I bet you this was an attention whore customer that reported this and went into a fake panic attack because of the gun, despite badges and service radios being in full view, and the first manager was just trying to calm everything down by telling the cops to put their guns in the car or leave, when he should have told the customer that they were cops and to STFU or leave.


Cue Gus Fring:

i.imgur.com
"Excuse me gentlemen. Our establishment welcomes to off-duty service men and women, who enjoy 50% off their meal and free non-alcoholic beverages, however firearms and police radios make the other customers nervous. I must therefor respectfully ask you to return when you are not on duty."
 
2013-01-03 01:20:45 PM

Nacc: I've never known anybody that didn't want a hole in they butt. Its absolutely what they want.


but... I need the hole in my butt.

I poop from there!

:-\
 
2013-01-03 01:24:11 PM

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


This post is far to logical for this wharrgarble thread and for Fark as a whole.
 
2013-01-03 01:26:12 PM

WinoRhino: CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.

I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.


First of all, in ALL interactions with police officers, I'm unfailingly polite and respectful, and treat them as if they are better than I, as that's what their bully mentality requires: a subservient attitude.

Second of all, in both scenarios I posted, the cops outright lied.

During the broken taillight stops, the cops lied, saying they "smelled alcohol" when none was present, and no one in the vehicle had been drinking. It was just a bullshiat power trip. I don't have an issue with being pulled over for a broken taillight. Alert me to the fact that it's out, and I'll thank you and replace the bulb the next day. Just because I happen to be driving home at 11:30 at night is not probably cause to suspect I'm drinking and driving, and certainly no reason to lie about smelling alcohol. I wasn't speeding or swerving or anything out of the ordinary. Just driving through his podunk town at the 25MPH speed limit, and he had nothing better to do than fark with me. In neither of the field sobriety instances was I anything but polite - I did the requested tricks, so I could go home and go to sleep without any more bullshiat.

During the other instance, I was pulled over for coasting through a stop sign in a parking lot. I was guilty, I wasn't going to complain. Then the cop accuses me of talking on a cell phone. At the time, I did not own a cell phone, so I tell him that. He insists he saw me. Since I know I don't have one, and that he's lying, NOW I'm getting annoyed, so I make the offer for him to search me and my car, and he backs down from his lie.

Face it - many cops are on a power trip, and will lie to your face in order to see if they can dig up some dirt.
 
2013-01-03 01:28:18 PM

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


It was a slow news day in St.Louis.
 
2013-01-03 01:32:29 PM

CheekyMonkey: WinoRhino: CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.

I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.

First of all, in ALL interactions with police officers, I'm unfailingly polite and respectful, and treat them as if they are better than I, as that's what their bully mentality requires: a subservient attitude.

Second of all, in both scenarios I posted, the cops outright lied.

During the broken taillight stops, the cops lied, saying they "smelled alcohol" when none was present, and no one in the vehicle had been drinking. It was just a bullshiat power trip. I don't have an issue with being pulled over for a broken taillight. Alert me to the fact that it's out, and I'll thank you and replace the bulb the next day. Just because I happen to be driving home at 11:30 at night is not probably cause to suspect I'm drinking and driving, and certainly no reason to lie about smelling alcohol. I wasn't speeding or swerving or anything out of the ordinary. Just driving through his podunk town at the 25MPH speed limit, and he had nothing better to do than fark with me. In neither of the field sobriety instances was I anything but polite - I did the requested tricks, so I could go home and go to sleep without any more bullshiat.

During the other instance, I was pulled over for coasting through a stop sign in a parking lot. I was guilty, I wasn't going to complain. Then the cop accuses me of talking on a cell phone. At the time, I did not own a cell phone, so I tell him that. He insists he saw me. Since I know I don't have one, and that he's lying, NOW I'm getting annoyed, so I make the offer for him to search me and my car, and he backs down from his lie.

Face it - many cops are on a power trip, and will lie to your face in order to see if they can dig up some dirt.


Oh now the story changes on the second story. At first you stated that he pulled you over for being on a cell phone, now you state that you ran a stop sign. Most likely looking down at your radio, who's glow might have lit up your face like a cell phone?
 
2013-01-03 01:33:02 PM

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


www.phillshaw.co.uk

Squad Leader: Simon Phoenix! Lie down with your hands behind your back.
Simon Phoenix: What's this? Six of you. Such nice, tidy uniforms. Oh I'm so scared!
[the Police Officers look at each other]
Simon Phoenix: What you guys don't have sarcasm anymore?
[Police Officer talks to his automated assistant]
Squad Leader: Maniac has responded with a scornful remark.
automated assistant: Approach, and repeat ultimatum in an even firmer tone of voice. Add the words, "or else".
 
2013-01-03 01:37:27 PM
FYI, I'm a resident of Belleville.

IL doesn't have have a CCW yet...also this particular Denny's is on the ball for breakfast, dinner not so much.
 
2013-01-03 01:38:43 PM
So are these officers banned from entering a jail or other facility where they are not allowed weapons?

This article is douchefest 2013.
 
2013-01-03 01:38:52 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: JSam21: More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?

Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.

Times have changed. When my dad was a cop, he absolutely was considered out of service when he was on lunch break. That's not to say that he couldn't be back in service at a moments notice by either a call or observation of events immediately around him. Just that for those few minutes, in terms of his responsibility to observe and obey "the rules" (no turning on the red lights and siren to avoid the traffic light, no immediately going to the head of the line, that sort of thing), he was a civilian. Of course, back in that time and place, stated policies of no weapons on premises weren't really a thing.


Well yes times have changed. My father was also a police officer. I'm a public safety officer for a major hospital. I don't get paid for roll call but am expected to respond to emergency calls at any time while I'm on duty, even if I'm on a lunch break. I'm friends with many police officers and out of service lunches are a thing of the past
 
2013-01-03 02:24:35 PM
Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:35 PM

jakrabit: Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today"


Nah, it will just be "Denny's manager commits suicide by shooting self in back seventeen times with police issue handgun and crawling into ditch before expiring."
 
2013-01-03 02:37:32 PM

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


Ok, I'll admit I may have indulged in a bit of hyperbole, possibly the first time that's ever happened on the internet. But while some people in this thread seem to see this as a group of thugs who didn't want to be parted from their murder-machines for 20 minutes, I see it more as though the manager walked up to an on-call heart surgeon and said "The man in the booth behind you is allergic to electronic transmissions, please take your phone/pager and put them in our car".

I do not know if Denny's has a no weapons policy, or this particular franchise does. If so, the cops shouldn't have gone there to eat in the first place.

But if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a pacifist, and your pea-coat reminds her that our nation has a standing navy, please take it outside" then I'm leaving, and yes I regale my friends with the tale of such asshattery.
 
2013-01-03 02:42:32 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.

There is a Waffle House here that is like that. I stop in once in awhile around 3-4am, it looks like the Afterlife Waiting Room from Beetlejuice.

It is


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-03 02:44:01 PM

yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.


No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.
 
2013-01-03 02:47:28 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: But if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a pacifist, and your pea-coat reminds her that our nation has a standing navy, please take it outside" then I'm leaving,


Likewise, if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a peacock, and your bald head reminds her that our nation has an affinity for omelettes, please take it outside" then I'm outa there too. But neither of these scenarios has a strong similarity to the events as reported.
 
2013-01-03 02:49:23 PM
And armed gang is an armed gang no matter what costume you dress them in.
 
2013-01-03 02:51:05 PM

I_C_Weener: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

In my experience, dicks tend to seek out jobs that allow them to be dicks.  Being a dick makes you a good cop...not a good person.


My theory on small town cops are there are two kinds.

1. The person that got bullied and pushed around all the time growing up and wants a job that allows them to exact revenge on everyone they come into contact with.
2. The bully that acted like a worthless prick to everyone his or her whole life and became a cop because they already have years of experience at it.
 
2013-01-03 02:54:34 PM

browneye

The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's
They're cops. We aren't talking about a think tank here.
I'd bet good money their collective IQ is below the caliber of any single gun they carried.
 
2013-01-03 02:54:39 PM

UseLessHuman: And armed gang is an armed gang no matter what costume you dress them in.


Did you do the, 'blows on fingernails then buffs them on shirt' thing after that, or did you go full 'drops the mic'?
 
2013-01-03 02:57:21 PM

JSam21: yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.

No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.


A customer expressed concern over something that was not fully understood. A junior level member of management, while technically correct, mishandled the situation. Two increasingly senior levels of management agreed that an exception to the rule was in order, and apologized for the misunderstanding. Five public servants copped an attitude and a police chief complained to the media. Story hit the interweb. Panties were irrigated. That's all this is.
 
2013-01-03 03:03:38 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: A customer expressed concern over something that was not fully understood. A junior level member of management, while technically correct, mishandled the situation. Two increasingly senior levels of management agreed that an exception to the rule was in order, and apologized for the misunderstanding. Five public servants copped an attitude and a police chief complained to the media. Story hit the interweb. Panties were irrigated. That's all this is.


A customer expressed concern. The manager approached with concern. The five individuals explained the situation. The manager, against company policy, insisted with a course of action that is not considered appropriate for on duty cops. The cops left. The police chief, possibly concerned with other staff having issues with on duty cops wearing firearms, has told his staff not to eat there. None of this sounds like an over reaction or inappropriate. I like to eat at places where I feel comfortable and don't have to worry.

I will agree that if the Chief went to the media, he was probably over reacting, but there is no indication as to who contacted the media. It sounds like it went viral via social media.
 
2013-01-03 03:09:02 PM

here to help: Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.

Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.


Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.
 
2013-01-03 03:18:57 PM

FTDA: Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.


Good. Christianity needs more like you. That goes for all religions. Particularly the uber violent ones.

Best of luck to ya.
 
2013-01-03 03:20:28 PM

varmitydog: I have noticed that also, that when a group of uniformed cops go into a place with open seating that nobody goes and sits near them, and sometimes people will even switch seats to sit away from them. Sometimes in a big place with sections they will be the only ones sitting in that section. It's never bothered me, in fact sometimes I go sit near them because it's less crowded. Never have had a lick of problems with them, not that I can recall.

It might be because I have relatives who are in the police (in other states) and have long since considered them to just be working joes. Or it might be because I strive to be "a southern gentleman" and always have good manners.

/Come to think of it, the last couple of times I got pulled over for a traffic ticket the cops let me go with a warning too. Knock wood.


Did you just admit on Fark to, "flailing your shillelagh?
 
2013-01-03 03:41:27 PM

here to help: FTDA: Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.

Good. Christianity needs more like you. That goes for all religions. Particularly the uber violent ones.

Best of luck to ya.


The world could use a lot more peace and kindness.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors as well!
 
2013-01-03 04:00:22 PM

FTDA: The world could use a lot more peace and kindness.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors as well!


Thank you.

See this folks?!

Now THAT is the way your Christ wanted you to behave.

I'm not a Christian but Jesus sounds like the type of dude I would totally hang with.

Be more like Jesus.... 'cause you know, that's kind of the freaking point of Christianity.
 
2013-01-03 04:31:07 PM

fireclown: Were the officers black?


No. But I bet their guns were.
 
2013-01-03 06:53:11 PM

a_feral_duck: I'd call Belleville a shiathole, but that would be unfair to outhouses.


It's not that bad there.

I mean it's not that good either but still...
 
2013-01-03 09:01:05 PM

JackieRabbit: Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,

The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.


Hopefully the cops were more educated than you are. Denny's has a right to refuse admittance to anyone for food service "police super citizen" or not. The correct response of an officer in this situation is to be mildly annoyed while recognizing the perfect legality of it, shrug their shoulders and go somewhere else.

If they are there for police reasons then the wishes of the management are trumped by the necessities of the duty. "Eating pancakes" is not an official police duty and thus denying that is not interfering with same.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:21 PM

Frederf: The correct response of an officer in this situation is to be mildly annoyed while recognizing the perfect legality of it, shrug their shoulders and go somewhere else.


And that's what they did.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:52 PM
The ban has been lifted
 
2013-01-03 11:06:05 PM

JSam21: yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.

No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.


No... The headline misrepresents and over-dramatizes the actual story. This is the standard MO for Fox "News".

To any reasonably intelligent person, this is an extremely uninteresting, unimportant story about a simple mis-communication between Denny's managers. But it's exactly the kind of story Fox stations thrive on because it has the right key words, and it's perfectly ripe for embellishment.

The End.
 
2013-01-04 12:29:13 AM
"I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

How about fark YOU? Does fark YOU work out nicelt for you this fine evening? Because fark YOU, Batman hero.

Your presence only intimidates patrons, in exchange for statistically nugatory "security", you fatass retarded bullying self-satisfied thugs living off the public dime in a union-protected job from which you can never EVER be fired no matter HOW outrageous your felonies against those who will pay your lifelong pensions. So here's a heapin' helpin' of steamed dicks, lazy b*tch.


http://www.fark.com/topic/hero
 
2013-01-04 02:38:42 AM
For the people who said the detectives were butt hurt, or being whatever, I can understand that sentiment, especially coming from people who aren't in the profession.  We used to have this upscale, snooty a** coffee/pastry shop in town that sent a letter to our police department saying that they no longer wanted our officers to visit their place of business because our guns made people "uncomfortable."  I didn't get butt hurt about that, because I never went there and didn't care to.

I do, however, get uncomfortable about restaurants that make a show of giving me a discount while working.  I don't ask for them, I don't expect them, in-fact, I typically tell the person that they don't need to give me one.  We've got an iHop where the one lady who works late nights always shouts to the manager about needing her code for the "cop discount."  This is while all the employees making minimum wage stocking shelves at the Wal-Mart and Meijer are in there eating too.  It's embarrassing.  To the point where I no longer eat there.  I'm no more deserving of a discount than anyone else, in my opinion.  I'll leave an extra large tip if I notice that somebody has discounted my food.

Now, I wouldn't want to sit in the Denny's either after a manager came over and tried to pull that.  It would have made me feel uncomfortable at the time, and probably would have drawn attention to me as I tried to enjoy a meal.  I would probably have politely asked for my check and left.

The chief continuing to fan the flames is ridiculous.  The one manager corrected the more junior manager.  There's no reason for the police chief to continue with it.  That to me, is taking it too far.  I can absolutely see why the officers left though.
 
2013-01-04 07:04:26 AM

BuckTurgidson: "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

How about fark YOU? Does fark YOU work out nicelt for you this fine evening? Because fark YOU, Batman hero.

Your presence only intimidates patrons, in exchange for statistically nugatory "security", you fatass retarded bullying self-satisfied thugs living off the public dime in a union-protected job from which you can never EVER be fired no matter HOW outrageous your felonies against those who will pay your lifelong pensions. So here's a heapin' helpin' of steamed dicks, lazy b*tch.


http://www.fark.com/topic/hero


Haha... someone sounds angry. You mad bro?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-04 12:24:25 PM

MycroftHolmes: People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.


People dislike police because there are many unfortunate examples/instances where they abuse their authority, disregard their defined boundaries, and use the system to avoid being held to their accountability.
One could say "the bad cop is few and far between", but increasingly it is not just the "bad cop" that is the problem, but also their fellow cops that fail to help hold them to account (at best) or aid and abet their actions through deliberate actions of their own.
 
2013-01-04 03:29:14 PM

gja: MycroftHolmes: People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.

People dislike police because there are many unfortunate examples/instances where they abuse their authority, disregard their defined boundaries, and use the system to avoid being held to their accountability.
One could say "the bad cop is few and far between", but increasingly it is not just the "bad cop" that is the problem, but also their fellow cops that fail to help hold them to account (at best) or aid and abet their actions through deliberate actions of their own.


We will have to agree to disagree on this one. While a small percentage of people have actually been materially affected by the abuses you reference, the vast majority of them use them, in the abstract, as justification for why they hate police. I know it is only anecdotal, but the majority of the justifications come in as

1. I had something happen to me, and the cops didn't make a big deal about it (usually a car or house break in, where the police are aware that the odds of ever catching the individual or recovering the stolen goods is zero)
2. I did something illegal(speeding, drinking, etc) and the cops were jerks
3. I had an interaction with a cop where I was doing nothing wrong, and he was a power tripping jerk (usually, this story involves cops trying to control and assess a situation, and the story teller did nothing wrong, but belligerently expects the cop to know that)

I could go on. The underlying theme is that cops represent the knowledge that we aren't as special as we thought, rules do apply to us, and we will be held accountable for our actions. This rankles people at a deep level. Note that anyone, like myself, who argues the cops side is usually called a badge licker or a sheeple, implying a negative value to complying with authority.

I know I speak in universals, and there is no way to characterize all cop haters (or cop supporters). I know there are plenty of people who prove my stereotype wrong. I am just speaking for the majority of cop haters that I have met or interacted with. Your mileage may vary
 
2013-01-05 12:49:15 AM

JSam21: You mad bro?


Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.
 
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