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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 358
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2013-01-03 11:26:06 AM
Also, they drank all the maple syrup.
 
2013-01-03 11:27:19 AM
hilobrow.com
 
2013-01-03 11:29:13 AM
Belleville, Missouri, apparently allows open carrying of firearms by ordinary citizens.
 
2013-01-03 11:30:10 AM

MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and smoking pot. They were loud enough that a cop stopped by to investigate. After he got bailed out of jail, all he could talk about was how the cop was being an ass and that he had no right to search his car. No mention of how dumb it was to be out drinking, making a lot of noise, and smoking pot.

People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.


One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.
 
2013-01-03 11:35:14 AM

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


No, nothing is missing.

The police have no duty to protect you as the individual. If they're able to do so, great but they don't have a legal obligation.
 
2013-01-03 11:36:34 AM

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Most places don't let armed gang members in.

I dont care if theyre armed....i just dont want them wearing their colors.

/colors colors colors


That's going old school!
 
2013-01-03 11:40:21 AM

jedikinkoid: One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.


I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?
 
2013-01-03 11:41:49 AM

MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and ...


Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are lying bullies.

Ever have a cop pull you over for a taillight out, and then give you several field sobriety tests because he claimed to "smell alcohol" when no one in the car had been drinking? I have, twice. Yes, of course I passed all the waste-my-time tests, BECAUSE I HAD NOT BEEN DRINKING. No, I no longer drive through Mendham NJ at night, because the cops are assholes, with nothing better to do than harass people.

Ever had a cop harass you by claiming he saw you talking on a cell phone while driving WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A CELL PHONE? I have. That one shut up when I offered him the chance to search my car and my person and ticket me if he found a cell phone, but that I would be contacting his supervisor if he did not.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:20 AM
"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.


I've seen enough of what police can do and get away with it.

I will never associate or communicate with police more than I ever have to, it's not worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTIviQp2pM
 
2013-01-03 11:43:00 AM

KWess: How many stories are there on Fark about employees being summarily fired for not following arcane company rules to the letter, despite it being obvious to all present that the rule was stupid in this-or-that case?

How many Walmart greeters need to be frog-marched out the door before a low-level Denny's employee got the message - 'comply.'

He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.


Pretty much this. Stop blaming worker bees for being worker bees.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:52 AM
Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

The point flew so far over Captain Sax's head that I'm not sure he could even hear it whizzing by. The police officers are a-okay. Their guns are not. Leave the guns in the car, and you could come inside. There are signs at every entrance to the bar areas that state exactly this. Either they were in the bar area and ignoring those signs because of their badges, or one of them whipped out their gun and started messing with it during their meal.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:17 AM

ramblinwreck: "Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Nope, don't see firearms on that list.

It's another story that this is just a bad business move.


Came here to say this. Denny's has a right to deny service to anyone except it can't discriminate against based on those federally protected classes for those respective reasons.

Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

People don't like having their daily routine interrupted or put at odds when they unexpectedly have to change their normal behavior in order to obey the legal authority of someone that they don't consider to be as smart or as reasonable as themselves.

In this situation, what the manager did was not terribly wise, but it was perfectly legal for them to exercise their authority over which patrons could be present. And I'm willing to bet the police investigators were smarter on average than this particular manager.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:38 AM

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


You are correct. People that do not like the police commonly grasp on the language "no duty to protect" that was used and throw it around like it actually means something. They picture a police officer watching you getting raped walking away whistling....screw that I am on break.

It is to limit civil liability and that is all.

In practice, if you are in danger it is my duty to step in and protect you period. I don't give two shiats how that case is read or written. It's in the oath that I took, it's in my job description, and I do it all the time.
 
2013-01-03 11:45:08 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.

Pretty much this. Stop blaming worker bees for being worker bees.


Sounds like he has a promising career in law enforcement

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2013-01-03 11:51:09 AM
I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?


But that's not what happened if you read the article.

Patron of Denny's noticed people at a table with guns, told a manager.

Manager told patrons with guns they were not allowed to have fire arms while dining in Denny's.

Patrons informed manager they were off-duty police officers.

Manager then asks them to please secure them in their vehicles then because they don't allow firearms in the establishment.

Instead of politely complying and understanding the request Police Officers refused to secure their firearms and instead walked out even after another manager apologized for the incident and told them they could stay.

Now after Denny's themselves released an official statement saying it was a misunderstanding, the Police Chief is still making a big deal out of it.

That's why people don't like cops. That entire incident could have been avoided if they just respected the Denny's wishes and just secure their guns in their cars but no, they couldn't be bothered to do that and now it's the restaurants fault for having the nerve to ask the OFF-DUTY Police Officers to please secure their guns in their vehicles because it was making other patrons nervous.
 
2013-01-03 11:51:59 AM
Denny's the retarded brother of fast food.
 
2013-01-03 11:52:01 AM

ParaHandy: JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.

I kind of feel the same way. Having grown up in a gun free culture, open carry by anyone makes me very uncomfortable. I've had to face down a pair of APD cops who wanted to illegally enter my home once, stretched my arms out across the doorway but was careful not to touch them.

I fear cops more than gang bangers - at least if a gang banger shoots a middle class white guy, he gets prosecuted.


I saw the APD cops in your post and was about to call bullshiat. Anyone knows if it had happened in Atlanta, you would have died from six self-inflicted bullet wounds to the back of your skull.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:16 AM

dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed


You should read your own link. Particularly this sentence (emphasis added by me):

The need to have the weapon accessible must be determined by the employing agency

I work for an agency that has sworn officers flying armed all the time. Most of the time, their actual potential need is no greater than it would be if they were driving across country in their car.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:31 AM
If I had five armed guys in plain clothes nearby and it bothered me as a patron or as a manager, I probably would have just called the cops. Badges, police radios, and guns don't automatically say "officer of the law" to me.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:47 AM
 
2013-01-03 11:57:09 AM

Bermuda59: Night Manager at a Denny's in Belleville Mo. I bet that looks good on a resume.


I know. People that work were they are born are the lowest forms of life.
 
2013-01-03 11:58:05 AM

angiemama: If I had five armed guys in plain clothes nearby and it bothered me as a patron or as a manager, I probably would have just called the cops. Badges, police radios, and guns don't automatically say "officer of the law" to me.


That would be the smart thing to do and I recommend everyone else do it.
 
2013-01-03 12:00:22 PM
Another reason people are upset with the Police for those of you who can't seem to understand or grasp why is the reaction of the whole police force in particular this ridiculous comment made by the Captain:

"Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

Nobody said they didn't want Police Officers in Denny's, they didn't want Guns in Denny's.

Police are blowing this out of proportion and acting as though they are victims.

Another ridiculous blown out of proportion statement

"Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough.""

They weren't harassed, there were asked to secure their guns in their vehicles because Denny's doesn't allow guns in their establishment.

Why can't the police just respect the businesses wishes instead of making such a huge ordeal out of this and playing the victim?
 
2013-01-03 12:00:30 PM

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.
 
2013-01-03 12:02:14 PM

WinoRhino: I'm no gun nut, but sounds like this was only an irrational, alarmist customer and an overzealous manager. Then you had another manager who knew better, and detectives who also did the right thing by simply leaving and not creating a continued stir.


So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?
 
2013-01-03 12:03:47 PM

tbhouston: You're suppose to do what ever the military tells you, stupid. If they want to eat, let them eat


www.angryblackladychronicles.com
 
2013-01-03 12:04:05 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


Well then your part of the problem.

World doesn't revolve around you and asking someone to please secure their gun in their vehicle because it's making other patrons nervous isn't an unreasonable request.

Your being unreasonable by trying to hurt their business in retribution for your getting butt hurt at them asking you not to carry a deadly weapon on your person while dining in their establishment because it's making other patrons nervous.
 
2013-01-03 12:09:59 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.
 
2013-01-03 12:12:27 PM
Having actually RTFA for once before the comments, I'm going to share my thoughts and then go back and see how I stack up against the Fark Consensus™.

1. It's legal, or it should be, to refuse service to armed police (or armed anybody) at a private establishment.

2. The manager, while not legally wrong*, Walter, was definitely an asshole. In my mind's eye, I'm seeing a 24-year-old who woke up that morning in awe of the power and responsibilities that go with being a Denny's assistant night manager.

3. The police response comes off sounding like this. "The bad man hurted our fee-fees and now our fee-fees have an owie and we're telling everybody not to go to the bad man's Denny's and someday he'll be sorry." I'm not saying they shouldn't be pissed, but come on. Act like it's not the worst thing you've ever seen on the job, even it if is.

Now let's check the thread and see how I did!
 
2013-01-03 12:14:32 PM

WinoRhino: jedikinkoid: One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.

I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?


Thsnk you for the reasoned response, both now and beforehand - I should have noted that I was replying primarily to MycroftHolmes' assertion, not your well-qualified statement. In fact, yours helped me moderate my own tone.

I would say, though, that I see the chief's response as being more motivated by butthurt than reason. If he had left it at privately telling his cops to boycott Denny's, it would be one thing. He didn't. He took it to the TV station. At the very least, to get sympathy and dissuade people from patronizing them. At the worst, as a cute way of publicly announcing "Hey, not that we aren't going to answer calls or nothin' *wink wink*, but there won't be any police in or around the Belleville Denny's."

Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.
 
2013-01-03 12:18:14 PM
My question, why were half a dozen police officers sitting down to a hearty Denny's meal together while on duty? Why weren't they out doing police officer stuffs?
 
2013-01-03 12:18:26 PM

semiotix: Having actually RTFA for once before the comments, I'm going to share my thoughts and then go back and see how I stack up against the Fark Consensus™.

1. It's legal, or it should be, to refuse service to armed police (or armed anybody) at a private establishment.

2. The manager, while not legally wrong*, Walter, was definitely an asshole. In my mind's eye, I'm seeing a 24-year-old who woke up that morning in awe of the power and responsibilities that go with being a Denny's assistant night manager.

3. The police response comes off sounding like this. "The bad man hurted our fee-fees and now our fee-fees have an owie and we're telling everybody not to go to the bad man's Denny's and someday he'll be sorry." I'm not saying they shouldn't be pissed, but come on. Act like it's not the worst thing you've ever seen on the job, even it if is.

Now let's check the thread and see how I did!


In the words of Meatloaf "Two out of Three ain't bad"

#2 - Manager wasn't an asshole. Didn't even care or notice the Off-Duty Police Officers until a patron of the establishment mentioned to the manager that the individuals at the table had guns.

The manager was responding to another customers concern.
 
2013-01-03 12:18:56 PM
:Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

You know how I found out about cops? That would be when the local cops came to arrest my ex for a domestic violence incident--pretty hard to deny it happened, since it was the middle of the day, the middle of town, and three different people called 911 to report that he was beating on me--and instead of arresting him, they didn't even fill out an incident report. They didn't talk to me at all. When I went to court later and got a restraining order, I discovered that there was NO record of anything happening. This was important, since we were in the middle of a divorce and custody battle. Even after I got the restraining order, the cops didn't serve him with it for almost a week, even though we lived in a town of 1000 people.

During my divorce, the judge decided that with no record of my claimed domestic violence (and that wasn't the only time, but it was the only time the police were involved), maybe I was a vindictive ex, and for that, maybe Dad should have custody. Our son lived in terror with his Dad for the next 10 years, since he'd witnessed all the times Dad came after me. He developed PTSD and severe depression, which he didn't get over until he came to live with me---after many years in court, and many thousands of dollars in legal fees. All because the local cops didn't want to slap a domestic violence charge on a "good ol' boy", because he'd lose his guns--the same guns that he used to carry around in his car while he stalked me.

When I complained to cops about their treatment and dereliction of duty, they decided that the best way to shut me up was to try to get me fired from my job, threaten to have my dog put down, and spread a bunch of rumors about me and everyone I knew. Long story short--they drove me out of town. I heard from the clerk of court there (who, in addition to having the best gossip about legal things, was also married to one of the cops), that domestic violence incidents were often treated that way around there. What was anybody going to do? If the cops blew you off, that was the end of it. The social worker there left in disgust after seeing them in action for a few years.

I can't get near a cop today without trembling. I wouldn't trust one of them to help me look up my driving record. They're a bunch of small-dicked frat boys who use their power to create of club of people who are either "in" with them, or not. And if you're not on the right side of them, you can forget ever getting any kind of just treatment, no matter what the hell happened to you.

fark em all, in case I'm not being clear enough. That wasn't one cop, either--that was the entire police force of the town I lived in. They paid attention to the things they wanted to pay attention to, and the rest of it they ignored. And oh, the stories the clerk of court told me. Even though she was married to the most senior cop there, she couldn't make them sound good. But she stayed, because she was poor and very dependent on the cop who--I know this will shock you--was very abusive of her too. She was just thankful that he'd quit bringing his girlfriends to the same restaurant that they ate at regularly.
 
2013-01-03 12:20:41 PM
While there is a Belleville, MO, this story is from a St. Louis TV station and the Belleville in the St. Louis area is in Illinois.

Belleville, MO, is across the state from St. Louis.
 
2013-01-03 12:30:07 PM

Masta Kronix: Zarquon's Flat Tire: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

Well then your part of the problem.

World doesn't revolve around you and asking someone to please secure their gun in their vehicle because it's making other patrons nervous isn't an unreasonable request.

Your being unreasonable by trying to hurt their business in retribution for your getting butt hurt at them asking you not to carry a deadly weapon on your person while dining in their establishment because it's making other patrons nervous.


And yet I bet at some point during the meal the server will hand me a knife.


Some hysterical customer overrected, the manager made a poor judgment call. I'm free to not frequent any dining establishment, and I am also free to tell people about shiatty service.

Not saying I'd bring it up every time someone suggests getting dinner, but I've mentioned having to wait 45 minutes for a cold sandwich.
 
2013-01-03 12:30:27 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?


jedikinkoid: Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.


I think this is a valid point. I also will say I didn't like the comment by the police chief that this incident was "a slap in the face" and "disrespectful" because I found it to stink too much of the "how DARE you!" tone. A smarter or more reasoned response would be "I think there was a misunderstanding, and to avoid anything like that in the future we've decided to make locations such as the Dennys off limits to officers while on duty, unless responding to a call."
 
2013-01-03 12:36:41 PM
Just another quick thought...who the hell starts a beef with five armed men in east St. Louis, anyway?
 
2013-01-03 12:38:50 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: s


A knife is a tool for cutting and can also be used as a deadly instrument however it does require the attacker to get relatively close to you and allows for the victim, to at least to some degree, defend themselves from the object.

A guns only purpose is to kill. You also don't have to get all that close with a gun and the only defense you have against it is body armor, that's if they don't shoot you in the head.

Guns can kill people faster and much easier than a knife and also aren't required while eating a meal.

Complaining about a cold sandwich is different than complaining about an establishment not allowing deadly weapons on customers person.

One is complaining about the actual product they are serving you the other is complaining about something that YOU just don't agree with.

Hence the world doesn't revolve around you and your being unreasonable for complaining about a policy that has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the business and establishment setting forth rules to ensure the safety and comfort of their patrons.

Quit being so disingenuous towards the discussion.
 
Ehh
2013-01-03 12:39:02 PM

freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.


Sunset and Gower in Hollywood (the neighborhood). Always good for a scare after the bars close. There's also the one by the freeway. Freaky deaky!
 
2013-01-03 12:40:55 PM

WinoRhino: More_Like_A_Stain: So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?

jedikinkoid: Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.

I think this is a valid point. I also will say I didn't like the comment by the police chief that this incident was "a slap in the face" and "disrespectful" because I found it to stink too much of the "how DARE you!" tone. A smarter or more reasoned response would be "I think there was a misunderstanding, and to avoid anything like that in the future we've decided to make locations such as the Dennys off limits to officers while on duty, unless responding to a call."


Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

How about this, all Off-Duty Police Officers are to obey private establishments rules and regulations while Off-Duty.

What's so hard about that?
 
2013-01-03 12:42:06 PM
Kind of an interesting dynamic in this thread. Unusually (relatively) civil for a gun thread.

I think I know what the blockage in our internet hate-tubes is. Many Farkers are anti-gun but pro-police. (I'm one of them--favorite me as "fascist bootlicking pussy" today!) Many other Farkers, probably a lot more, are pro-gun but HURRRR FARKING PIGS THEY'RE THE REAL CRIMINALS. Only a few are openly pro-both, which is what you'd need to be to REALLY tee off on this thread, and by themselves they can't achieve the critical mass needed for the thread to go nuclear.

What we really need is a story about five cops who meekly allowed themselves to be disarmed, then the Denny's got robbed, but then the robbers were cut down in a hail of perfectly aimed bullets from the other fifty private citizens in the joint, all of whom had told the punk-ass manager to go fark himself. Now THAT will be an epic thread. And if Fark has taught me anything about law enforcement and private gun ownership, it's that those kinds of things happen all the time!
 
2013-01-03 12:43:19 PM
No guns should mean NO GUNS!!!

We need to end ALL police exemptions in regards to firearms laws. They are no better then the average person. In fact, they generally shoot far WORSE then the average Joe.

I actually saw one of them in Church last Sunday. Farking disgusting.
 
2013-01-03 12:44:47 PM

algrant33: MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?

It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local


Montana is awesome, though. It's the only place I ever got out of a speeding ticket by telling the cop I had a CCW and was carrying.
 
2013-01-03 12:46:28 PM

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.


FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 12:47:18 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am sure they were actually there investigating the Tuesday Meatloaf surprise for crimes against humanity.


meatloaf surprise is a crime against humanity.
 
2013-01-03 12:48:50 PM

NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.


If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 12:49:53 PM

CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.


I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.
 
2013-01-03 12:50:41 PM

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.


FTFA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 12:53:20 PM

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.


Yes, it does.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers


No, they weren't. FTFA: "Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives..."

who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous. How about this, all Off-Duty Police Officers are to obey private establishments rules and regulations while Off-Duty. What's so hard about that?


Nothing. They obeyed the rules even though they were on duty by leaving.

Cops take lunch breaks, but they don't stop being on-duty cops for those 45 minutes. They tell the dispatcher where they're eating lunch precisely so that they can be dispatched to the armed robbery happening across the street (but not for the kitten-in-a-tree kind of thing, until after lunch).

Everybody comes off looking like a bit of jerk here. The manager for inventing Denny's policy, and the police chief for his hurt fee-fees stunt afterwards. It's half a loaf of cop-hate--don't get greedy.
 
2013-01-03 12:53:31 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?


Yes, a cop can be on-duty and eating at a Denny's. This is not rocket science. A cop does not go "off-duty" when he goes to take a dump or eat.
 
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