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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 358
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2013-01-03 10:42:09 AM

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


That's how I feel about postmen. There is a Jew-type deli near my house that has awesome pastami sammiches. Trouble is that the postal workers like to eat there. It's hard to enjoy my meal when I have a table full of pepperspray armed, uniformed, private propety tresspassers sitting right next to me. Almost every day one of these jack booted thugs walks across my lawn, and actualy shoves pieces of paper through a shuttered airvent in my door. These little slips of paper are almost always ransom demands for money, or else someone will come by and shut off my water, electricity or internet or some other thing I depend on from day to day. And I can't do a thing about it. I tried keeping rottweilers in my front yard (I tied them to trees with a 3 foot section of heavy duty boat anchor chain to keep them in the yard) to keep them out, but then they just use their pepper spray to bypass my security system.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:12 AM

browneye: The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's


Denny's isn't a place you go; it's a place where you end up.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:54 AM

The Muthaship: If anything, I bet the police response times to service calls at this Denny's will be faster than before. They'd look pretty bad to the locals if they seemed like they were holding a grudge.


That ship already sailed when they called the local TV station and asked them to announce that there won't be any cops in that Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:30 AM

fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop, so if the place says "No Guns on Premises" then that's the farking rule, asshole. I get really tired of cops parking wherever the hell they want, blowing traffic signals, and basically acting like Mr. Big Dick because they have a badge.


1. It was not the rule, and they probably had eaten there before
2. Once it was pointed out that Denny's would rather not have armed officers there, they left, and informed their armed coworkers of the situation.

Not exactly sure what you are having an issue with.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:43 AM

fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop


Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.
 
2013-01-03 10:45:02 AM

Fat-D: They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,


As far as the "they left anyway part" of the story I can see one of them sitting there all smug afterwards saying "See? Told ya. I didn't even want to come to this shiathole. Can we go to Robbie's Rib Bucket like I wanted to all along?"
 
2013-01-03 10:46:32 AM

Bomb Head Mohammed: ParaHandy: Right of free association.

ooh, american "rights talk!" let me just counter that with the derper "private property rights" card.

Or, you can read an excellent book like "rights talk" and understand why america deserves a more intelligent and nuanced national discourse than simply "rights" in the way the term is now abused.


Or you can simply not act like a jackass and accept the fact that a "right" and a "Freedom", with regards to the law and personal freedoms are often used in a correct manner, if without including the hundreds of pages of nuance regarding exceptions, limitations, and mitigations to said exceptions and limitations.

Let's face it, the term "right", though used in a manner suggesting "absolute freedom", may not be used by most to recognize exceptions, limitations, and legal nuances, but none of those nuances negate the basic premise of the accepted legal precedent that a right, at its fundamental core, is a personal freedom or inherent expectation of a freedom that is enjoyed by the citizenry as a foundational core of their being without denial by any legal entity.

The right to free speech is limited in that slander and such statements as thought to be exceedingly dangerous (fire in a crowded theater), but no limitations can inherently deny the basic right to freedom of speech.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:21 AM

freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


I would have to be flying for work. Take the FAA course and travel with authorization from my department. Technically off-duty but for work.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:57 AM

WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.


THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?
 
2013-01-03 10:48:32 AM

Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,


The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:03 AM
WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.


Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:45 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.

I would have to be flying for work. Take the FAA course and travel with authorization from my department. Technically off-duty but for work.


You are correct, sir. I used to work for the agency that conducted that training (they started out under the FAA, went to ICE and are now under TSA).
 
2013-01-03 10:50:54 AM

ModernPrimitive01: Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito


I used to think that no one was gonna bust in and open fire while I was watching Batman. Or attending elementry school.

/Carry everywhere it is legal to do so. Concealed. No one needs to know what I have.
 
2013-01-03 10:51:20 AM

algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?


I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?
 
2013-01-03 10:52:00 AM

freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.



Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed
 
2013-01-03 10:53:06 AM
MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.


So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.
 
2013-01-03 10:53:17 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Over zealous assistant manager says something stupid, and the situation was quickly resolved by the manager before the cops even left the table. But these poor, poor law enforcement officers had their feelings hurt, so they just had to make sure that this turned into a bigger issue then the situation warranted.

The cops were bigger morans then the manager.


Yeah, pretty much. Cops love dishing out the harassment, but have the sandiest vaginas I've ever seen. Typical bully mentality.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:05 AM

JackieRabbit: Kimpak: oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.

Conceal and carry has nothing to do with stand your ground. I wrote NOTHING about banning ANYTHING. Stop building strawmen, it can only make you look like an indoctrinated idiot.

/not anti-gun, just anti-stupid


I used a straw man to point out how absurd these studies can be. There's a bigger picture to what causes a particular crime than whether or not the state has 'stand your ground' laws or any type of 'carry' permit. Its the same argument whenever someone tries to point out that some tiny Asian country has faster internet on average than the U.S. Completely ignoring population densities and so forth. Also correlation does not equal causation.

All the cop hate is equally absurd. People only read about the bad cop stories, or may even have a first hand anecdote. This does not automatically make the thousands of other cops in the country corrupt. And as much as any of you want to play internet tough guy, there's no way you wan't to live in a world with no police force.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:11 AM

algrant33: THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?


Attention: I'm an asshole who accused people of not reading the article and I got some details wrong myself. Please continue with the discussion and I will show myself out of the thread, ashamed. Damnit.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:34 AM

Waldo Pepper: The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.

and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay, really these cops carry guns and are there to protect and serve and they don't understand a employee who made a mistake. I'm willing to guess they meals would have been on the house.


That's because cops never make mistakes, so they have no frame of reference...
 
2013-01-03 10:54:39 AM
cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
2013-01-03 10:55:27 AM

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local
 
2013-01-03 10:55:28 AM

JackieRabbit: Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,

The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.


Do us all a favor and STFU, you have no farking idea what the rules are in East St. Louis, IL. Also, if you own a business, restaurant or a bar, you can request that customers not carry a weapon while in YOUR establishment or they will not be served. Interfering while on duty -- ok, dipshiat, they are EATING A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT, not investigating a crime.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:09 AM
Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.


Never mind, I hadn't noticed the other post. It seems you had replied to the wrong post.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:11 AM

Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.


I admit it was a little incoherent, but Here to Help had replied to me upthread, pointing out that I was responding to him(him being here to help). Sorry, it was a bit confusing. Made more sense inside my head
 
2013-01-03 10:56:22 AM

ccundiff: Three minutes later: "Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!"


I gotta go pee. I wanna go home.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:32 AM
Geez, this is just a lone manager screwing up...and steps were taken by corporate to fix it.
It's not unknown for store managers to wind up causing PR nightmares for businesses by misinterpreting  their "Company Policy"

You hear about store managers tossing customers for bogus reasons such as bringing in service animals and breastfeeding infants; for refusing use of their phone to make a 911 call, not allowing people with an obvious emergency need to use their restrooms or refusing to pay a "mandatory" gratuity.

And how about that idiot Starbucks manager that wanted to charge rescue workers a premium for bottled water on 9-11?

Generally, corporate tries their best at damage control from the stupid behavior, but sometimes they take too long causing bigger problems for them.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:42 AM

dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed


I didn't feel the need to quote the entire directive - merely pointing out that the blanket statement that cops cannot board while carrying is incorrect.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:50 AM
MycroftHolmes: Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.

I admit it was a little incoherent, but Here to Help had replied to me upthread, pointing out that I was responding to him(him being here to help). Sorry, it was a bit confusing. Made more sense inside my head


I caught that just 2 seconds before you posted.
 
2013-01-03 10:58:26 AM
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
I think it would be kinda funny to carve the "." between Profanity and Fishing into a ',".
Because profanity certianly goes with finishing. But then you'd have to choose between using a gun OR profanity while fishing. Can't use both.
 
2013-01-03 10:59:42 AM

freetomato: dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed

I didn't feel the need to quote the entire directive - merely pointing out that the blanket statement that cops cannot board while carrying is incorrect.


Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!
 
2013-01-03 10:59:44 AM

fat_free: Do us all a favor and STFU, you have no farking idea what the rules are in East St. Louis, IL. Also, if you own a business, restaurant or a bar, you can request that customers not carry a weapon while in YOUR establishment or they will not be served. Interfering while on duty -- ok, dipshiat, they are EATING A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT, not investigating a crime.


i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-03 10:59:57 AM

Latinwolf: I caught that just 2 seconds before you posted.


It still wouldn't surprise me if they were the same person.
 
2013-01-03 11:00:12 AM

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


Holy hell... its Belleville, Illinois
 
2013-01-03 11:01:34 AM

fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!


Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.
 
2013-01-03 11:03:19 AM

MythDragon: [bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 300x200]
I think it would be kinda funny to carve the "." between Profanity and Fishing into a ',".
Because profanity certianly goes with finishing. But then you'd have to choose between using a gun OR profanity while fishing. Can't use both.


I need nothing about TNT on that sign, so I'm good to go.
 
2013-01-03 11:04:03 AM

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


Well, to be fair TFA is wrong. It wasn't Belleville, MO it was Belleville, IL which is right beside East St Louis, IL. Belleville, MO which is near Joplin, isn't big enough to have a police force, let alone a Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 11:05:19 AM

ha-ha-guy: I need nothing about TNT on that sign, so I'm good to go.


Eat the Hobbit Platter...you won't need any high grade explosives.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:47 AM

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


The source is from a St. Louis TV station, truly no one reads articles anymore before making knee jerk reactions. Anyway if I told to get the fark out, I'd leave, even if someone else told me to stay, unless they comp the meal on the spot, then maybe I'd consider bygones. There is no point trying to white knight a stupid manager who violated company policy and also cost the company the only sober customers they usually have pplz.
 
2013-01-03 11:10:47 AM

freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.


Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!
 
2013-01-03 11:12:30 AM
Night Manager at a Denny's in Belleville Mo. I bet that looks good on a resume.
 
2013-01-03 11:13:28 AM

algrant33: MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?

It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local


Bellevue, IL is near I-74 by Peoria. Belleville is near I-64 and is further south by 170 miles.

I moved to Belleview, IL, from Bellevue, NE four years ago and I still screw up occasionally when giving my address.
 
2013-01-03 11:14:29 AM

fat_free: freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.

Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!


You really are a dumbass, aren't you?  Own your "you can't board a plane carrying a firearm if you are a cop" statement, that was politely corrected, and move on.
 
2013-01-03 11:15:55 AM

Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.


My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.
 
2013-01-03 11:17:39 AM

mikemil828: The source is from a St. Louis TV station, truly no one reads articles anymore before making knee jerk reactions. Anyway if I told to get the fark out, I'd leave, even if someone else told me to stay, unless they comp the meal on the spot, then maybe I'd consider bygones. There is no point trying to white knight a stupid manager who violated company policy and also cost the company the only sober customers they usually have pplz.


Putting aside the non-location related issues... this is where people got the idea it was Belleville,MO... surprisingly from the article itself

BELLEVILLE, MO (KTVI)- The Belleville Chief of Police has banned his officers from eating at the local Denny's restaurant while on duty after an incident at the establishment New Year's Day.
 
2013-01-03 11:20:37 AM

freetomato: fat_free: freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.

Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!

You really are a dumbass, aren't you?  Own your "you can't board a plane carrying a firearm if you are a cop" statement, that was politely corrected, and move on.


I did! But I'm also so thankful that a genius like yourself could point out how woefully wrong I was, and that by taking the measures you pointed out, any American can bring a gun on to a plane! I forgot another easy route, which is "Become a Federal Air Marshal"! See, you're right again!

/+1000000000000000 Internets
 
2013-01-03 11:21:05 AM

WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.


My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and smoking pot. They were loud enough that a cop stopped by to investigate. After he got bailed out of jail, all he could talk about was how the cop was being an ass and that he had no right to search his car. No mention of how dumb it was to be out drinking, making a lot of noise, and smoking pot.

People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.
 
2013-01-03 11:24:18 AM
why is it always Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 11:24:36 AM

here to help: Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.

Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.


Well, to be fair, religion isn't some sort of monolithic entity like a police department.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:54 AM

maudibjr: why is it always Denny's?


Sometimes it's Chuck E Cheese.
 
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