freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun. It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am. I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories. I used to love when the cops came in. If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely. Good tippers too.
here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs
Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.
ParaHandy: Right of free association.
here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.
here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.
ParaHandy: Solty Dog: Next time use the drive shoot through.
HotWingConspiracy: Most places don't let armed gang members in.
DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packsAfter RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.
phrawgh: Denny's serves donuts?
sloshed_again: Everyone should carry a gun in Bellevile.
mayIFark: Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?
mayIFark: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?
JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"
fireclown: Were the officers black?
pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.
Kit Fister: Private property laws and such about carrying firearms would apply, though police officers are legally exempted from any laws or bans on firearms in various places (as are voluntary reserve officers and other select people), so it gets iffy.
here to help: mayIFark: Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?If the cops did their jobs in a helpful, thoughtful and respectful way then people wouldn't have to worry so much about self defense.Same goes for the entire criminal justice system. They create more anti social behavior than they prevent.
JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.
The Muthaship: If anything, I bet the police response times to service calls at this Denny's will be faster than before. They'd look pretty bad to the locals if they seemed like they were holding a grudge.
ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.
Kit Fister: mayIFark: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?The police are not required to protect the individual, as has been ruled repeatedly by the Supreme Court. The Police exist to protect society by investigating crimes that have been committed and identifying the perpetrators in order to prosecute and remove them from society. See the following:http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=disp l ay_arch&article_id=341&issue_id=72004http://overlawyered.com/2011/12/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-prot e ct-you-yes-really/It is the responsibility of the citizen to defend themselves from immediate harm. It is the responsibility of the police to arrest the asstard (or pick up the body) after the fact. So it goes.
The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.
JonnyG: You act as though they don't seem this way to begin with.
JonnyG: pedrop357:No, but there are an abundance of incidents involving police using unnecessary force, including guns when they're not warranted.
ramblinwreck: "Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."Nope, don't see firearms on that list.
EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.
mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.
The Muthaship: Waldo Pepper: and before they left another manager came over and said they could stayThink about that. One manager comes to your table to tell you you can't have guns in Denny's. You let them know you are police officers (in case they didn't already know), and they say, "Sorry, you still can't have your gun in here." You get up to leave mid-meal, and some other manager comes over and says you can stay if you want. What would you do? I think I'd go ahead and leave. On the other hand, I have never been much on being where I'm not wanted.
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