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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 358
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2013-01-03 09:26:58 AM

The Muthaship: Waldo Pepper: and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay

Think about that. One manager comes to your table to tell you you can't have guns in Denny's. You let them know you are police officers (in case they didn't already know), and they say, "Sorry, you still can't have your gun in here." You get up to leave mid-meal, and some other manager comes over and says you can stay if you want. What would you do? I think I'd go ahead and leave. On the other hand, I have never been much on being where I'm not wanted.


You're here, aren't you?
 
2013-01-03 09:27:10 AM
Well, a little googling leads me to find that Denny's has a policy of not allowing conspicuous weapons in their restaurants.

That would make the manager of this Denny's consistent: cover it up, cops, just like the other civilians.

I don't particularly like this policy, and I don't think I've eaten in a Denny's for 9 years, so I don't see how my money staying in my wallet is going to encourage them to change their policy (or their menu) to encourage me to visit their private property.
 
2013-01-03 09:27:55 AM
"You want them to be with their guns that makes them cops"

I guess that makes me a cop then. Up against the wall and spread 'em!
There is a disturbing lack of punctuation and an excess of run on sentences in that article. Journalism today....
 
2013-01-03 09:28:03 AM

machodonkeywrestler: You're here, aren't you?


I'll just get my coat....
 
2013-01-03 09:28:28 AM

generallyso: FTA: Belleville Police Captain Don sax said, "It's absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it's completely disrespectful."


You'd think a police captain would refrain from run-on sentences.
 
2013-01-03 09:29:05 AM

here to help: It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.


I'd be less likely to go to a 'cop bar' than a 'gangbanger' bar. At least with the latter, I'm on equal legal footing. If one of the regulars attacks me and I fight back, I don't get a BS stack of charges against me and I at least have a chance of an objective police report. I don't have anything close to the same level of confidence of a fair outcome in a cop bar.

I know of one cop bar for sure, and I can kind of guess the gangbanger bars so I avoid both. If I was at a seemingly nice, normal bar and some gangbanger types came in, I'd wait and see how they act before deciding to leave. If a group of cops comes in, maybe it's some guys last day or something, I'm out.
 
2013-01-03 09:31:39 AM
Was it an assault Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 09:31:54 AM
I'm surprised that businesses make a big deal out of not wanting guns to begin with. If you make a big deal of banning them it doesn't make non gun people more likely to shop there, they will probably not notice. But with gun people word gets around that you don't want them there and they will avoid you.

We have a big chain of hardware/farm supply stores (the kind that they put in the suburbs) around here called Fleet Farm. And they have a big sign on the door that says "fleet farm supports your right to carry and encourages you to do so in the store, if you have a valid permit". I know it makes me more likely to choose them if there is another option.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:17 AM

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


I'll agree with that in spades. Though, the times I've been in a place and the cops come into eat, they DO seem like they're just there to eat and don't want to be 'on duty'. They keep to themselves, seem polite, etc. and seem to deliberately ignore people being loud, etc.

But everyone's behavior does change and not once have I felt that the reasons stemmed from a positive attitude about the police.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:19 AM

Kit Fister: mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.

No, uniformed officers are there to provide a public show of force to deter crimes, they also are there to enforce laws through patrols, and respond to complaints and investigate. They are not there to act as personal bodyguards.


The difference here is the INDIVIDUAL vs. SOCIETY. Police as a whole do provide protection FOR SOCIETY as a whole by enforcing laws, from traffic laws to capital crimes. They do actively seek to "prevent" crime by monitoring through patrols and having a visible presence that does deter common lawbreakers.

However, as referenced in the articles above, say I had a restraining order against an abusive person. The police may provide, in some circumstances, extra patrols or similar, but they have no duty to actively defend me should the abusive person come to do me harm. That is, they don't exist to provide armed bodies to stay with me specifically. It's my job to protect myself -- either through self defense via arms, or by hiring armed persons, or taking other precautions (such as moving, changing information, and not publishing my details, which works until some Newspaper publishes those as part of their kneejerk reaction to some horrific crime). Only through witness protection or other cases where the person involved is a necessary asset to the arrest of a criminal and is part of an active investigation do police or other law enforcement provide active protection to the individual.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:38 AM
This occurred in Montana which has open-carry gun laws. That means any private citizen can carry a firearm out in the open. New Hampshire has similar laws: "The NH Attorney General's Office has stated that open carry is regarded as a "Right", and though any citizen may call the police if they observe someone carrying a gun openly, that citizen's "annoyance and alarm" does not override the "Right" to carry openly."

I'm no gun nut, but sounds like this was only an irrational, alarmist customer and an overzealous manager. Then you had another manager who knew better, and detectives who also did the right thing by simply leaving and not creating a continued stir.

Some people, including those in this thread, will complain about anything, I guess.
 
2013-01-03 09:34:26 AM
Good. Cops are not above the Denny's rules.
 
2013-01-03 09:35:48 AM
Has that manager never dealt with cops before? Its really best to not annoy or aggravate them, it usually ends badly for you.

My feelings on police is pretty mixed these days. I used to really like them, but after several cases of never being there when I needed them (never showed to investigate or take report of a bullet through my kitchen window), but right on the spot when I didnt (almost anytime I wandered over the posted speed limit) Im kinda tired of them. I like the general theory...but I prefer when they practice it well away from me.

Sad that the few dicks are so bad they ruin the opinion of the whole

/kinda like Fark
 
2013-01-03 09:36:56 AM
The question is, why is it news that an underpayed uneducated restaurant employee makes a mistake which is immediately corrected by a higher manager.

Some simpleton made a mistakes, his boss apologized and the customers decided to take their business elsewhere anyway, which is their right. They were in the end not denied service, nor is it company policy to deny service to cops. Case closed and the stupid employee learned a lesson.

It is not news, there is no need whatsoever to make anything bigger out of it, but for some mysterious reason the police felt it was necessary to go attention whoring to the media about absolutely nothing.
 
2013-01-03 09:37:08 AM
this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-03 09:38:24 AM

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


How would the responding cops actually help?

Wouldn't you expect an escalation of violence if they arrive while the robbers are still a threat? Maybe some sort of stand-off?

Do you mean mentally ill robbers?
 
2013-01-03 09:38:55 AM
Keep tightening the screws... keep making more and more things illegal... and pretty soon, everyone, everywhere, is always guilty of a crime, and anyone, anywhere can have a black bag put over their head by the state and disappear.

Except we've already been there for a long time.

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-01-03 09:39:26 AM

WinoRhino: Some people, including those in this thread, will complain about anything, I guess.


I don't like your sentence structure.
 
2013-01-03 09:40:16 AM
Isn't someone guilty of tresspass?

Asked to leave and didn't.
 
2013-01-03 09:43:33 AM

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Sadly, this. Paying taxes isn't enough to get police protection; you have to kiss their butts, too.
 
2013-01-03 09:43:46 AM
This thread has to set some kind of record for stupid comments originating from not having read TFA.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:13 AM

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.


Maybe, if you're Canadian.
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2013-01-03 09:44:54 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Isn't someone guilty of tresspass?

Asked to leave and didn't.


Forgive those (armed cops) who trespass.
 
2013-01-03 09:45:24 AM
Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.
 
2013-01-03 09:45:56 AM
Naw, had

fireclown: black


Naw, if they were black they would never have gotten seated or served in the firat place.

Denny's corporate must get awfully tired of backpedaling for the idiots they hav for managers.
 
2013-01-03 09:46:26 AM

pedrop357: here to help: It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.

I'd be less likely to go to a 'cop bar' than a 'gangbanger' bar. At least with the latter, I'm on equal legal footing. If one of the regulars attacks me and I fight back, I don't get a BS stack of charges against me and I at least have a chance of an objective police report. I don't have anything close to the same level of confidence of a fair outcome in a cop bar.

I know of one cop bar for sure, and I can kind of guess the gangbanger bars so I avoid both. If I was at a seemingly nice, normal bar and some gangbanger types came in, I'd wait and see how they act before deciding to leave. If a group of cops comes in, maybe it's some guys last day or something, I'm out.


One of my relatives childhood BFF became a cop (a nasty racist one too). He told said relative a story about some of the cops from his area going into a strip club, pawing at the girls and picking fights with the other customers. The bouncer politely asked them multiple times to cool it. If it had been anyone else they would have been bounced on the spot. Well they just kept getting drunker and more obnoxious and the bouncer told the rowdiest one he had to leave. The cop took a swing and the bouncer removed him from the bar where the cop decided to keep fighting. Bouncer knocked out the cop in self defense. Then the all the other cops wanted to charge him. Fortunately they realized that would probably be a bad idea and REALLY fortunately they didn't just gang beat the guy.

Another story... there was this homeless kind of crackhead dude in my old neighborhood. BIG musclebound guy (kind of weird for a crackhead but he was indeed huge). He was a nice enough fellow despite his sketchy ways. Well the cops decided to jack him one night and one wanted to fight Mr. Cracky who begged him not to. They drove him down to the local po po beating grounds and FORCED him to fight this cop. The dude layed him out. Then the rest of the cops beat him to a pulp. Guy went to court and got a million dollar settlement after YEARS of litigation.

Sad part is about a year later I saw the guy and he was begging for change again. Must have let his street urchin buddies milk him dry.

/CSBs
 
2013-01-03 09:46:40 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.

There is a Waffle House here that is like that. I stop in once in awhile around 3-4am, it looks like the Afterlife Waiting Room from Beetlejuice.


It is
 
2013-01-03 09:47:29 AM

Lt_Ryan: EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.

I'm guessing the night manager at a Denny's isn't going to be the smartest cat in the world and have the greatest grasp of the Denny's policy book. I don't buy that 5 detectives had their feelings hurt and were embarrassed by a Denny's employee asking them to leave. Detectives are normally experienced officers and have training on being assertive. I've seen a cop nearly arrest a someone at a workplace because that person asked the cop to move out of the way of a forklift, the cop asked if he was interfering with his investigation. The person had 0 personal/professional skills and told more than ask, but still the cop didn't get his feelings hurt.

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.

If your behavior at a Denny's changes because police sit down for a meal you may want to rethink behaving that way public regardless of a police presence.


Hey, I'm far from alone in feeling this. And let me take it one step further and state clearly that I wish it wasn't this way. One can only stomach so much blatant corruption before accepting that it's a corrupt institution. Sadly, it most likely is a case of a few bad apples making the rest look bad, but I place the blame for that fully on the people that sweep blatant corruption under the carpet and keep these officers employed.
 
2013-01-03 09:48:06 AM

here to help: ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.

Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as more than the "bad" guys.


FTFY
 
2013-01-03 09:48:51 AM

plausdeny: That would make the manager of this Denny's consistent: cover it up, cops, just like the other civilians.


That is what I was thinking. Oh you're an out of uniform detective, cover it the fark up. It's the same standard the rest of the CCW lives by. If you want to open carry it, get out the uniform.

Also expecting the fact you have a badge around your neck to calm people down is stupid. You can get them by the shipping crate from China.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:26 AM

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


"We reserve the right to refuse to service to anyone"

Any officer pulling that bullshiat should be fired. Anyone who believes it is an idiot.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:36 AM

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


They explained to the first employee they were cops.
The rest is correct.

/glad i live in a rare neighborhood where the cops are not dicks
 
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


In my experience, dicks tend to seek out jobs that allow them to be dicks.  Being a dick makes you a good cop...not a good person.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.
 
2013-01-03 09:50:01 AM
Like I needed another reason to not eat at Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:30 AM
How dare you tell a cop what to do silly citizen. Don't you know that they're better than you and above all laws of this country.

Suck it coppers.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:38 AM

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.


You've just described the typical FarkLibtard, and for this, I thank you.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:47 AM
oh and thanks for my subscription oh secret assassin of my productivity

/ygm
 
2013-01-03 09:53:02 AM

EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.


There's no reason for the night manager to bother with learning Denny's company policy any better.

He won't be working there much longer - if he still works there today.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:58 AM

DubyaHater: If Obama and the democrats want to disarm the public, then the police should be disarmed as well. Otherwise, the power lies with the state, not its citizens.


I like Victorian Britain best, where the only ones not allowed to carry firearms were the police.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:59 AM
I foresee many full cavity searches in that guy's future.
 
2013-01-03 09:54:30 AM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: The manager can ask anyone to leave regardless of the reason. He cannot make an officer take off his weapon regardless of what he thinks.

I am sure the Denny's Corporation will be having a conversation with the owner of this franchise. Police love them some Denny's.


I bet he can. If the officers wanted to eat in Denny's bad enough, they'll leave their weapons at the door.
 
2013-01-03 09:57:40 AM
Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.


Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.
 
2013-01-03 09:58:05 AM

jakrabit: On Duty Police are now banned by their Captain, and the news decided to paint a HUGE bullseye for armed robbers by making this public?

Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today".

warm up the popcorn, this is gonna get good.


Then they should sue the police department for ostracizing the restaurant, and publicly letting the criminals know they won't be protected by the police. THEN, the rest of the restaurants in town can sue the police department for extortion. By making this public, they're letting the other restaurants know they won't be protected from criminals if they don't let the policemen have free reign over the restaurants, including comped meals.

/how did I do with the derp?
 
2013-01-03 09:59:44 AM
The wife and I were eating at a Chinese Buffet about a week after the Conn. shooting and there was a guy there carrying a pistol. He was clearly uncomfortable wearing it and kept touching it like it was going to jump out of the holster and run away. He kept surveying the other diners, looking for suspicious behavior. When his wife paid at the register, he kept his back to her, hand on his gun, watching everyone eat. It's like he was waiting for suspicious behavior so he could be a hero. The only one making the place unsafe, was him. Everyone was clearly uncomfortable with the situation. If someone is in plain clothes, carrying a gun, I don't want to eat in the same restaurant as them. How am I supposed to know they're police? Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito
 
2013-01-03 10:00:03 AM
The left has completely snapped. Between this and their calling for political assassinations Link. The Dems had better take back their party from these so-called-progressives PDQ.
 
2013-01-03 10:00:44 AM

Chongo79: Can we establish minimum standards for the "Not News, News, Fark" thing?

"Denny's manager turns away men with guns," doesn't seem newsworthy to me. Maybe:

"Boring: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Interesting: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers." or

"Small Town, Red State News: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Fark: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers."

But the "Not News..." thing only works if the story actually escalates to a funny/absurd level. Escalating from "boring" to "interesting" isn't enough.

Good example:
Not News: Senator cheats on wife. News: Using taxpayer funds for romantic vacations. Fark: "Other woman" was actually his pet frog.)


Yes, Illinois is a big red state. Reading is fundamental.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:08 AM

bikkurikun: Some simpleton made a mistakes, his boss apologized and the customers decided to take their business elsewhere anyway, which is their right. They were in the end not denied service, nor is it company policy to deny service to cops. Case closed and the stupid employee learned a lesson.


Or...

Some smart-ass got to talk down to some LEOs and express his hatred of firearms, legally.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:16 AM
Only crime happening there that night was the way the food was prepared
 
2013-01-03 10:01:46 AM

Tumunga: I bet he can. If the officers wanted to eat in Denny's bad enough, they'll leave their weapons at the door.


You are as incorrect as saying 2+2=5. Both legally and because you didn't read the article.
 
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