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(Fox 2 St. Louis)   News: Denny's manager turns away five men with sidearms, explaining they could not eat at the restaurant if they were armed. FARK: They were on-duty, badge-wearing police detectives   (fox2now.com) divider line 355
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2013-01-03 08:45:10 AM  
Once again, laws only affect the law-abiding.

\the Dude abides
 
2013-01-03 08:45:54 AM  
The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's
 
2013-01-03 08:46:30 AM  
I am sure they were actually there investigating the Tuesday Meatloaf surprise for crimes against humanity.
 
2013-01-03 08:46:37 AM  
Well that was dangerous.
What if they were actually thieves trying to hold up the store?
 
2013-01-03 08:46:56 AM  
Right of free association.
 
2013-01-03 08:47:03 AM  
Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."
 
2013-01-03 08:48:01 AM  
"Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Nope, don't see firearms on that list.

It's another story that this is just a bad business move. Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?
 
2013-01-03 08:48:48 AM  
Denny's apologized for the overzealous behavior of a night shift assistant manager. Seems like that should be the end of it.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:00 AM  
FTA: Belleville Police Captain Don sax said, "It's absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it's completely disrespectful."
 
2013-01-03 08:49:13 AM  
If Denny's doesn't allow people to bring their weapons, he still has a point.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:32 AM  
Problem corrected in-house. Non-story. But nice troll. Bring the derp: Plenty to go around on both sides of the playpen.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:34 AM  
Well what would have happened if another diner decided to grab their gun? A shootout would occur and people might get shot.

It's just not worth it. Common sense people. C'mon.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:44 AM  
On Duty Police are now banned by their Captain, and the news decided to paint a HUGE bullseye for armed robbers by making this public?

Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today".

warm up the popcorn, this is gonna get good.
 
2013-01-03 08:49:56 AM  
The manager sounds like an a-hole.
 
2013-01-03 08:50:01 AM  
Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.
 
2013-01-03 08:50:10 AM  
Sounds like a manager screwed up and the higher up manager went over to correct the error and yet these cops felt harassed, dang might it be they are making a bigger issue of this in hopes of free food from denny's.

I don't believe I would want any of these 5 officers handling a dispute.
 
2013-01-03 08:50:10 AM  
The manager can ask anyone to leave regardless of the reason. He cannot make an officer take off his weapon regardless of what he thinks.

I am sure the Denny's Corporation will be having a conversation with the owner of this franchise. Police love them some Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 08:50:14 AM  
Private business' rights to serve, how do they work?

/In all likeliness, the guy detectives were being douche or the manager did not realize who they are, or they were scaring other customers away.

//DNRTFA
 
2013-01-03 08:50:37 AM  
Everyone should carry a gun in Bellevile.
 
2013-01-03 08:51:19 AM  
If Obama and the democrats want to disarm the public, then the police should be disarmed as well. Otherwise, the power lies with the state, not its citizens.
 
2013-01-03 08:51:35 AM  
Over zealous assistant manager says something stupid, and the situation was quickly resolved by the manager before the cops even left the table. But these poor, poor law enforcement officers had their feelings hurt, so they just had to make sure that this turned into a bigger issue then the situation warranted.

The cops were bigger morans then the manager.
 
2013-01-03 08:51:36 AM  
Why didn't he take the NRA's advice and hire heavily armed guards at his place of business to protect it from the grave threat of gun owners shooting his customers?
 
2013-01-03 08:51:45 AM  
RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.
 
GBB
2013-01-03 08:51:48 AM  
rules is rules
 
2013-01-03 08:51:57 AM  
Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.
 
2013-01-03 08:52:16 AM  

ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?


Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.
 
2013-01-03 08:52:41 AM  
Next time use the drive through.
 
2013-01-03 08:52:58 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Awwww, that's so cute.
 
2013-01-03 08:53:05 AM  
I'm sure that the people who normally argue: 'their place, their rules' are going to have a civilized discussion here.
 
2013-01-03 08:53:38 AM  
Moron. More guns= less crime.
John Lott.
 
2013-01-03 08:55:20 AM  

The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.


and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay, really these cops carry guns and are there to protect and serve and they don't understand a employee who made a mistake. I'm willing to guess they meals would have been on the house.
 
2013-01-03 08:56:43 AM  

here to help: Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


This. The worst that'll happen with the gangbangers is getting stomped by them. The police will stomp you, and then charge you with bull****. Plus they actually have incentives to behave. Who's going to swing by the police station to administer wall-to-wall counselling to police officers that act out?
 
2013-01-03 08:57:30 AM  
Denny's serves donuts?
 
2013-01-03 08:57:42 AM  
Oh no!

Someone who owns that franchise store made a decision about that business conservatives disagree with! They should go to jail!

Because freedom and the tenth amendment. Or something like that.
 
2013-01-03 08:59:09 AM  

DeathBySmiley: Oh no!

Someone who owns that franchise store made a decision about that business conservatives disagree with! They should go to jail!

Because freedom and the tenth amendment. Or something like that.


I know this is fark and all... but maybe you should rtfa
 
2013-01-03 08:59:10 AM  
Were the officers black?
 
2013-01-03 08:59:20 AM  
I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.
 
2013-01-03 08:59:25 AM  
Three minutes later: "Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!"
 
2013-01-03 08:59:33 AM  
Most places don't let armed gang members in.
 
2013-01-03 08:59:51 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: I'm sure that the people who normally argue: 'their place, their rules' are going to have a civilized discussion here.


Well, it's not actually their rules. Just a stupid, overzealous manager who was quickly overruled.
But I'm sure that won't stop the inevitable hysteria, butthurt, threats of boycott, and all the other outrage du jour crap.
 
2013-01-03 09:00:11 AM  
I'd call Belleville a shiathole, but that would be unfair to outhouses.
 
2013-01-03 09:00:33 AM  
 
2013-01-03 09:00:38 AM  

Benjamin Orr: I know this is fark and all... but maybe you should rtfa


While he is going with a bit of hyperbole, why would his point be changed after reading the article?
 
2013-01-03 09:00:47 AM  

Waldo Pepper: and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay


Think about that. One manager comes to your table to tell you you can't have guns in Denny's. You let them know you are police officers (in case they didn't already know), and they say, "Sorry, you still can't have your gun in here." You get up to leave mid-meal, and some other manager comes over and says you can stay if you want. What would you do? I think I'd go ahead and leave. On the other hand, I have never been much on being where I'm not wanted.
 
2013-01-03 09:01:21 AM  

DeathBySmiley: Oh no!

Someone who owns that franchise store made a decision about that business conservatives disagree with! They should go to jail!

Because freedom and the tenth amendment. Or something like that.


Not sure where you pulled that info from, but it makes you look as stupid as the Denny's manager and the butt-hurt cops.
 
2013-01-03 09:01:39 AM  
How many stories are there on Fark about employees being summarily fired for not following arcane company rules to the letter, despite it being obvious to all present that the rule was stupid in this-or-that case?

How many Walmart greeters need to be frog-marched out the door before a low-level Denny's employee got the message - 'comply.'

He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.
 
2013-01-03 09:01:41 AM  
Nothing like mouth from the so. showing you off to the public.
 
2013-01-03 09:02:20 AM  
I hope this Denny's doesn't have a problem with making, "suffer an armed robbery" part of their routine...at least the neighboring business who didn't act so stupidly will be safer because of this. Free market win!!
 
2013-01-03 09:02:54 AM  
Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.
 
2013-01-03 09:02:58 AM  

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot or from Pakistan.


FTFY
 
2013-01-03 09:03:21 AM  
Ah, it's always fun to see the town I live in, and the Denny's down the street from my house, make Fark.

What's incredibly farking stupid about this situation is that the Denny's is less than a mile from the police station and the courthouse. Cops have been eating there for decades. And you'd think that you'd want uniformed and armed officers frequenting your place of business when you're open 24 hours and just 10 minutes down the road from East St. Louis.
 
2013-01-03 09:03:50 AM  

Mrbogey: Well what would have happened if another diner decided to grab their gun? A shootout would occur and people might get shot.

It's just not worth it. Common sense people. C'mon.


Because we all know that if a cop is there with a gun, everyone is perfectly safe.

Seems to me a local store owner decided who can come into his place of business. Why do you hate small business / job creators?
 
2013-01-03 09:04:34 AM  

freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.


There is a Waffle House here that is like that. I stop in once in awhile around 3-4am, it looks like the Afterlife Waiting Room from Beetlejuice.
 
2013-01-03 09:05:04 AM  
Hero tag?
 
2013-01-03 09:05:06 AM  
Belleville Police Captain Don Sax said, "It's absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it's completely disrespectful. How can anyone think to tell a police officer you can't be in here with your gun its absurd to me."

Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."


Captain Sax further added, "I'm not sure what's happening to me I can't stop speaking in continuous run-on sentences it may be a stroke please call for help."
 
2013-01-03 09:05:08 AM  

here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs


After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.
 
2013-01-03 09:05:19 AM  
Can we establish minimum standards for the "Not News, News, Fark" thing?

"Denny's manager turns away men with guns," doesn't seem newsworthy to me. Maybe:

"Boring: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Interesting: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers." or

"Small Town, Red State News: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Fark: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers."

But the "Not News..." thing only works if the story actually escalates to a funny/absurd level. Escalating from "boring" to "interesting" isn't enough.

Good example:
Not News: Senator cheats on wife. News: Using taxpayer funds for romantic vacations. Fark: "Other woman" was actually his pet frog.)
 
2013-01-03 09:05:30 AM  
I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.
 
2013-01-03 09:05:55 AM  

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.


Thanks for that. I now have you favorited as "Indescribable Idiocy".
 
2013-01-03 09:06:09 AM  

ParaHandy: Right of free association.


I believe you mean freedom of association. Doesn't apply here. Private property laws and such about carrying firearms would apply, though police officers are legally exempted from any laws or bans on firearms in various places (as are voluntary reserve officers and other select people), so it gets iffy.

The manager of the restaurant could deny service, but based on this article, that's not a guarantee that he's within his rights.

Technically speaking, the property owner would have to make such a denial of service or put in place a policy covering this, so, I'm not sure the manager has the right to make such a policy on the fly. Either way, the article states that the company apologized and stated there was no such policy.
 
2013-01-03 09:06:22 AM  

here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.
 
2013-01-03 09:06:31 AM  
So what?
 
2013-01-03 09:07:35 AM  

here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.


Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?
 
2013-01-03 09:07:40 AM  

ParaHandy: Solty Dog: Next time use the drive shoot through.


now you're just trolling.
 
2013-01-03 09:07:58 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Most places don't let armed gang members in.


I dont care if theyre armed....i just dont want them wearing their colors.

/colors colors colors
 
2013-01-03 09:08:25 AM  
This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.
 
2013-01-03 09:08:30 AM  

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.
 
2013-01-03 09:08:32 AM  

phrawgh: Denny's serves donuts?


Win!
 
2013-01-03 09:08:34 AM  
Being Denny's I'm going to assume these detectives were all black.
 
2013-01-03 09:09:29 AM  

sloshed_again: Everyone should carry a gun in Bellevile.


A lot of people do!

It's an old town that's on a downhill slide. As much as I love my house, it's hard to love the community considering that crime is a big problem thanks to our proximity to East St. Louis. Plus, taxes keep going up, property values keep decreasing and a good third of the houses in my neighborhood are vacant because the people living in them defaulted on their mortgages.
 
2013-01-03 09:09:30 AM  
And its not like cops are ever overzealous or anything.
 
2013-01-03 09:11:02 AM  
In other news, that Denny's sees an increase in armed robberies.
 
2013-01-03 09:11:37 AM  

mayIFark: Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?


If the cops did their jobs in a helpful, thoughtful and respectful way then people wouldn't have to worry so much about self defense.

Same goes for the entire criminal justice system. They create more anti social behavior than they prevent.
 
2013-01-03 09:12:03 AM  

mayIFark: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.

Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?


The police are not required to protect the individual, as has been ruled repeatedly by the Supreme Court. The Police exist to protect society by investigating crimes that have been committed and identifying the perpetrators in order to prosecute and remove them from society. See the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=disp l ay_arch&article_id=341&issue_id=72004
http://overlawyered.com/2011/12/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-prot e ct-you-yes-really/

It is the responsibility of the citizen to defend themselves from immediate harm. It is the responsibility of the police to arrest the asstard (or pick up the body) after the fact. So it goes.
 
2013-01-03 09:12:22 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"


Police: Your credit card number and last four of social security number please.

Dennys: What?

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


/Conservative perfect world of no entitlement program
 
2013-01-03 09:12:31 AM  

fireclown: Were the officers black?


The it would have been 'Not News'.
 
2013-01-03 09:12:36 AM  

pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.


No, but there are an abundance of incidents involving police using unnecessary force, including guns when they're not warranted.
 
2013-01-03 09:13:12 AM  

Kit Fister: Private property laws and such about carrying firearms would apply, though police officers are legally exempted from any laws or bans on firearms in various places (as are voluntary reserve officers and other select people), so it gets iffy.


Not always. I would be exempt during the execution of my duties. Having lunch does not fall into that category even on duty.

Responding there for a call? Yes
Ordering the Lumberjack Slam? No
 
2013-01-03 09:13:25 AM  
If anything, I bet the police response times to service calls at this Denny's will be faster than before. They'd look pretty bad to the locals if they seemed like they were holding a grudge.
 
2013-01-03 09:13:57 AM  

here to help: mayIFark: Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?

If the cops did their jobs in a helpful, thoughtful and respectful way then people wouldn't have to worry so much about self defense.

Same goes for the entire criminal justice system. They create more anti social behavior than they prevent.


You said it. Thank you.
 
2013-01-03 09:13:59 AM  

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


I kind of feel the same way. Having grown up in a gun free culture, open carry by anyone makes me very uncomfortable. I've had to face down a pair of APD cops who wanted to illegally enter my home once, stretched my arms out across the doorway but was careful not to touch them.

I fear cops more than gang bangers - at least if a gang banger shoots a middle class white guy, he gets prosecuted.
 
2013-01-03 09:14:57 AM  

The Muthaship: If anything, I bet the police response times to service calls at this Denny's will be faster than before. They'd look pretty bad to the locals if they seemed like they were holding a grudge.


You act as though they don't seem this way to begin with.
 
2013-01-03 09:15:50 AM  
Minor confusion regarding store policy from a minimum wage making assistant manager in a third rate chain restaurant in some backwater 'burg somewhere in middle America. This happens literally every day, but because firearms are involved it will become an event of special interest for those who feel strongly about the subject.

I'd make the cops leave their guns in the patrol car, too, but that's just because I like messing with cops.
 
2013-01-03 09:15:53 AM  

phrawgh: Denny's serves donuts?

thefrugalgirls.com
 
2013-01-03 09:16:17 AM  

ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.


Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.
 
2013-01-03 09:17:14 AM  
You're suppose to do what ever the military tells you, stupid. If they want to eat, let them eat
 
2013-01-03 09:17:32 AM  

Kit Fister: mayIFark: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.

Wait, I thought the public should be protecting themselves with automatic firearms. What do we need the cops for?

The police are not required to protect the individual, as has been ruled repeatedly by the Supreme Court. The Police exist to protect society by investigating crimes that have been committed and identifying the perpetrators in order to prosecute and remove them from society. See the following:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=disp l ay_arch&article_id=341&issue_id=72004
http://overlawyered.com/2011/12/the-police-have-no-obligation-to-prot e ct-you-yes-really/

It is the responsibility of the citizen to defend themselves from immediate harm. It is the responsibility of the police to arrest the asstard (or pick up the body) after the fact. So it goes.


This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.
 
2013-01-03 09:17:33 AM  
here to help: ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.

Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as more than the "bad" guys.

FTFeveryone
 
2013-01-03 09:17:33 AM  

The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.


Well, I heard that guns make every situation more dangerous, so can you blame him?

Cops guns do seem to shoot a whole lot of people.
 
2013-01-03 09:17:35 AM  

JonnyG: You act as though they don't seem this way to begin with.


I know how you feel about cops in general, you've made that clear enough.

I don't know how the locals feel about the cops in Bellville or wherever this was. Seems from the article that they have some community support. That is valuable to law enforcement.
 
2013-01-03 09:17:53 AM  

JonnyG: pedrop357:
No, but there are an abundance of incidents involving police using unnecessary force, including guns when they're not warranted.


Came to say pretty much this - maybe the manager realized armed cops are dangerous...
 
2013-01-03 09:18:35 AM  
On the one hand, there's the stupid, overzealous manager who ultimately apologized.

On the other hand, there's immature, power-trip loving cops who just can't believe that a restuarant manager had the gall to question their authority.

I feel like the mature thing to do here is for the manager and Denny's to apologize for the misunderstanding, and for the cops to graciously accept the apology. Instead, we have this stupid, childish bullshiat story to read.
 
2013-01-03 09:19:53 AM  
Why does Subby hate private property rights?
 
2013-01-03 09:20:36 AM  

ramblinwreck: "Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Nope, don't see firearms on that list.


I also don't see where on that list Denny's is forced to serve them.
 
2013-01-03 09:20:51 AM  
Local Denny's manager is no rocket scientist. Film at 11.
 
2013-01-03 09:21:44 AM  

fireclown: black


If they were they'd have been robbing the place, not eating there.
 
2013-01-03 09:23:01 AM  
This is what started the whole mess.

FTA
The restaurant chain said a customer spotted one of the officers carrying a gun and alerted the manager.

And this makes the whole thing even sillier.

FTA
Sax said the police had their badges in full view, either by their handguns or they were wearing them around their necks. Plus, portable police radios were on the table.

I bet you this was an attention whore customer that reported this and went into a fake panic attack because of the gun, despite badges and service radios being in full view, and the first manager was just trying to calm everything down by telling the cops to put their guns in the car or leave, when he should have told the customer that they were cops and to STFU or leave.
 
2013-01-03 09:23:36 AM  

EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.


I'm guessing the night manager at a Denny's isn't going to be the smartest cat in the world and have the greatest grasp of the Denny's policy book. I don't buy that 5 detectives had their feelings hurt and were embarrassed by a Denny's employee asking them to leave. Detectives are normally experienced officers and have training on being assertive. I've seen a cop nearly arrest a someone at a workplace because that person asked the cop to move out of the way of a forklift, the cop asked if he was interfering with his investigation. The person had 0 personal/professional skills and told more than ask, but still the cop didn't get his feelings hurt.

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


If your behavior at a Denny's changes because police sit down for a meal you may want to rethink behaving that way public regardless of a police presence.
 
2013-01-03 09:26:45 AM  

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


No, uniformed officers are there to provide a public show of force to deter crimes, they also are there to enforce laws through patrols, and respond to complaints and investigate. They are not there to act as personal bodyguards.
 
2013-01-03 09:26:46 AM  
This is a natural reaction to the police telling everyone to be terrified by people with guns. The gun control propaganda means people don't want you around.
 
2013-01-03 09:26:58 AM  

The Muthaship: Waldo Pepper: and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay

Think about that. One manager comes to your table to tell you you can't have guns in Denny's. You let them know you are police officers (in case they didn't already know), and they say, "Sorry, you still can't have your gun in here." You get up to leave mid-meal, and some other manager comes over and says you can stay if you want. What would you do? I think I'd go ahead and leave. On the other hand, I have never been much on being where I'm not wanted.


You're here, aren't you?
 
2013-01-03 09:27:10 AM  
Well, a little googling leads me to find that Denny's has a policy of not allowing conspicuous weapons in their restaurants.

That would make the manager of this Denny's consistent: cover it up, cops, just like the other civilians.

I don't particularly like this policy, and I don't think I've eaten in a Denny's for 9 years, so I don't see how my money staying in my wallet is going to encourage them to change their policy (or their menu) to encourage me to visit their private property.
 
2013-01-03 09:27:55 AM  
"You want them to be with their guns that makes them cops"

I guess that makes me a cop then. Up against the wall and spread 'em!
There is a disturbing lack of punctuation and an excess of run on sentences in that article. Journalism today....
 
2013-01-03 09:28:03 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: You're here, aren't you?


I'll just get my coat....
 
2013-01-03 09:28:28 AM  

generallyso: FTA: Belleville Police Captain Don sax said, "It's absolutely a slap in the face I totally agree it's completely disrespectful."


You'd think a police captain would refrain from run-on sentences.
 
2013-01-03 09:29:05 AM  

here to help: It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.


I'd be less likely to go to a 'cop bar' than a 'gangbanger' bar. At least with the latter, I'm on equal legal footing. If one of the regulars attacks me and I fight back, I don't get a BS stack of charges against me and I at least have a chance of an objective police report. I don't have anything close to the same level of confidence of a fair outcome in a cop bar.

I know of one cop bar for sure, and I can kind of guess the gangbanger bars so I avoid both. If I was at a seemingly nice, normal bar and some gangbanger types came in, I'd wait and see how they act before deciding to leave. If a group of cops comes in, maybe it's some guys last day or something, I'm out.
 
2013-01-03 09:31:39 AM  
Was it an assault Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 09:31:54 AM  
I'm surprised that businesses make a big deal out of not wanting guns to begin with. If you make a big deal of banning them it doesn't make non gun people more likely to shop there, they will probably not notice. But with gun people word gets around that you don't want them there and they will avoid you.

We have a big chain of hardware/farm supply stores (the kind that they put in the suburbs) around here called Fleet Farm. And they have a big sign on the door that says "fleet farm supports your right to carry and encourages you to do so in the store, if you have a valid permit". I know it makes me more likely to choose them if there is another option.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:17 AM  

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


I'll agree with that in spades. Though, the times I've been in a place and the cops come into eat, they DO seem like they're just there to eat and don't want to be 'on duty'. They keep to themselves, seem polite, etc. and seem to deliberately ignore people being loud, etc.

But everyone's behavior does change and not once have I felt that the reasons stemmed from a positive attitude about the police.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:19 AM  

Kit Fister: mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.

No, uniformed officers are there to provide a public show of force to deter crimes, they also are there to enforce laws through patrols, and respond to complaints and investigate. They are not there to act as personal bodyguards.


The difference here is the INDIVIDUAL vs. SOCIETY. Police as a whole do provide protection FOR SOCIETY as a whole by enforcing laws, from traffic laws to capital crimes. They do actively seek to "prevent" crime by monitoring through patrols and having a visible presence that does deter common lawbreakers.

However, as referenced in the articles above, say I had a restraining order against an abusive person. The police may provide, in some circumstances, extra patrols or similar, but they have no duty to actively defend me should the abusive person come to do me harm. That is, they don't exist to provide armed bodies to stay with me specifically. It's my job to protect myself -- either through self defense via arms, or by hiring armed persons, or taking other precautions (such as moving, changing information, and not publishing my details, which works until some Newspaper publishes those as part of their kneejerk reaction to some horrific crime). Only through witness protection or other cases where the person involved is a necessary asset to the arrest of a criminal and is part of an active investigation do police or other law enforcement provide active protection to the individual.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:38 AM  
This occurred in Montana which has open-carry gun laws. That means any private citizen can carry a firearm out in the open. New Hampshire has similar laws: "The NH Attorney General's Office has stated that open carry is regarded as a "Right", and though any citizen may call the police if they observe someone carrying a gun openly, that citizen's "annoyance and alarm" does not override the "Right" to carry openly."

I'm no gun nut, but sounds like this was only an irrational, alarmist customer and an overzealous manager. Then you had another manager who knew better, and detectives who also did the right thing by simply leaving and not creating a continued stir.

Some people, including those in this thread, will complain about anything, I guess.
 
2013-01-03 09:34:26 AM  
Good. Cops are not above the Denny's rules.
 
2013-01-03 09:35:48 AM  
Has that manager never dealt with cops before? Its really best to not annoy or aggravate them, it usually ends badly for you.

My feelings on police is pretty mixed these days. I used to really like them, but after several cases of never being there when I needed them (never showed to investigate or take report of a bullet through my kitchen window), but right on the spot when I didnt (almost anytime I wandered over the posted speed limit) Im kinda tired of them. I like the general theory...but I prefer when they practice it well away from me.

Sad that the few dicks are so bad they ruin the opinion of the whole

/kinda like Fark
 
2013-01-03 09:36:56 AM  
The question is, why is it news that an underpayed uneducated restaurant employee makes a mistake which is immediately corrected by a higher manager.

Some simpleton made a mistakes, his boss apologized and the customers decided to take their business elsewhere anyway, which is their right. They were in the end not denied service, nor is it company policy to deny service to cops. Case closed and the stupid employee learned a lesson.

It is not news, there is no need whatsoever to make anything bigger out of it, but for some mysterious reason the police felt it was necessary to go attention whoring to the media about absolutely nothing.
 
2013-01-03 09:37:08 AM  
this country is ghey now.
 
2013-01-03 09:38:24 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


How would the responding cops actually help?

Wouldn't you expect an escalation of violence if they arrive while the robbers are still a threat? Maybe some sort of stand-off?

Do you mean mentally ill robbers?
 
2013-01-03 09:38:55 AM  
Keep tightening the screws... keep making more and more things illegal... and pretty soon, everyone, everywhere, is always guilty of a crime, and anyone, anywhere can have a black bag put over their head by the state and disappear.

Except we've already been there for a long time.

Mission accomplished.
 
2013-01-03 09:39:26 AM  

WinoRhino: Some people, including those in this thread, will complain about anything, I guess.


I don't like your sentence structure.
 
2013-01-03 09:40:16 AM  
Isn't someone guilty of tresspass?

Asked to leave and didn't.
 
2013-01-03 09:43:33 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Sadly, this. Paying taxes isn't enough to get police protection; you have to kiss their butts, too.
 
2013-01-03 09:43:46 AM  
This thread has to set some kind of record for stupid comments originating from not having read TFA.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:13 AM  

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.


Maybe, if you're Canadian.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-03 09:44:54 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Isn't someone guilty of tresspass?

Asked to leave and didn't.


Forgive those (armed cops) who trespass.
 
2013-01-03 09:45:24 AM  
Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.
 
2013-01-03 09:45:56 AM  
Naw, had

fireclown: black


Naw, if they were black they would never have gotten seated or served in the firat place.

Denny's corporate must get awfully tired of backpedaling for the idiots they hav for managers.
 
2013-01-03 09:46:26 AM  

pedrop357: here to help: It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as the "bad" guys.

I'd be less likely to go to a 'cop bar' than a 'gangbanger' bar. At least with the latter, I'm on equal legal footing. If one of the regulars attacks me and I fight back, I don't get a BS stack of charges against me and I at least have a chance of an objective police report. I don't have anything close to the same level of confidence of a fair outcome in a cop bar.

I know of one cop bar for sure, and I can kind of guess the gangbanger bars so I avoid both. If I was at a seemingly nice, normal bar and some gangbanger types came in, I'd wait and see how they act before deciding to leave. If a group of cops comes in, maybe it's some guys last day or something, I'm out.


One of my relatives childhood BFF became a cop (a nasty racist one too). He told said relative a story about some of the cops from his area going into a strip club, pawing at the girls and picking fights with the other customers. The bouncer politely asked them multiple times to cool it. If it had been anyone else they would have been bounced on the spot. Well they just kept getting drunker and more obnoxious and the bouncer told the rowdiest one he had to leave. The cop took a swing and the bouncer removed him from the bar where the cop decided to keep fighting. Bouncer knocked out the cop in self defense. Then the all the other cops wanted to charge him. Fortunately they realized that would probably be a bad idea and REALLY fortunately they didn't just gang beat the guy.

Another story... there was this homeless kind of crackhead dude in my old neighborhood. BIG musclebound guy (kind of weird for a crackhead but he was indeed huge). He was a nice enough fellow despite his sketchy ways. Well the cops decided to jack him one night and one wanted to fight Mr. Cracky who begged him not to. They drove him down to the local po po beating grounds and FORCED him to fight this cop. The dude layed him out. Then the rest of the cops beat him to a pulp. Guy went to court and got a million dollar settlement after YEARS of litigation.

Sad part is about a year later I saw the guy and he was begging for change again. Must have let his street urchin buddies milk him dry.

/CSBs
 
2013-01-03 09:47:29 AM  

Lt_Ryan: EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.

I'm guessing the night manager at a Denny's isn't going to be the smartest cat in the world and have the greatest grasp of the Denny's policy book. I don't buy that 5 detectives had their feelings hurt and were embarrassed by a Denny's employee asking them to leave. Detectives are normally experienced officers and have training on being assertive. I've seen a cop nearly arrest a someone at a workplace because that person asked the cop to move out of the way of a forklift, the cop asked if he was interfering with his investigation. The person had 0 personal/professional skills and told more than ask, but still the cop didn't get his feelings hurt.

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.

If your behavior at a Denny's changes because police sit down for a meal you may want to rethink behaving that way public regardless of a police presence.


Hey, I'm far from alone in feeling this. And let me take it one step further and state clearly that I wish it wasn't this way. One can only stomach so much blatant corruption before accepting that it's a corrupt institution. Sadly, it most likely is a case of a few bad apples making the rest look bad, but I place the blame for that fully on the people that sweep blatant corruption under the carpet and keep these officers employed.
 
2013-01-03 09:48:06 AM  

here to help: ko_kyi: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.

One of the best bits of advice I ever got was "If you are in a bar, and a group of off duty cops come in, pay your bill and leave asap." God help you if you stay and are with an attractive woman.

Yes. I've seen many bars completely clear out as soon as the po po show up... and not just seedy dives. Places filled with law abiding professionals.

It's just not worth the risk. It truly is pathetic that the "good" guys terrify the general public as much as more than the "bad" guys.


FTFY
 
2013-01-03 09:48:51 AM  

plausdeny: That would make the manager of this Denny's consistent: cover it up, cops, just like the other civilians.


That is what I was thinking. Oh you're an out of uniform detective, cover it the fark up. It's the same standard the rest of the CCW lives by. If you want to open carry it, get out the uniform.

Also expecting the fact you have a badge around your neck to calm people down is stupid. You can get them by the shipping crate from China.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:26 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


"We reserve the right to refuse to service to anyone"

Any officer pulling that bullshiat should be fired. Anyone who believes it is an idiot.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM  

DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.


In my experience, dicks tend to seek out jobs that allow them to be dicks.  Being a dick makes you a good cop...not a good person.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:56 AM  

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.
 
2013-01-03 09:50:01 AM  
Like I needed another reason to not eat at Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:30 AM  
How dare you tell a cop what to do silly citizen. Don't you know that they're better than you and above all laws of this country.

Suck it coppers.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:38 AM  

Buffalo77: Here's your test to tell whether you are an idiot.

Scenario: 9/11, planes flying into bldg. America doesn't know how many other planes out there are potential missiles.

You look up and see several F-15s patrolling the skies around NYC.

If you are scared at that sight, you are an idiot.


You've just described the typical FarkLibtard, and for this, I thank you.
 
2013-01-03 09:52:47 AM  
oh and thanks for my subscription oh secret assassin of my productivity

/ygm
 
2013-01-03 09:53:02 AM  

EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.


There's no reason for the night manager to bother with learning Denny's company policy any better.

He won't be working there much longer - if he still works there today.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:58 AM  

DubyaHater: If Obama and the democrats want to disarm the public, then the police should be disarmed as well. Otherwise, the power lies with the state, not its citizens.


I like Victorian Britain best, where the only ones not allowed to carry firearms were the police.
 
2013-01-03 09:53:59 AM  
I foresee many full cavity searches in that guy's future.
 
2013-01-03 09:54:30 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: The manager can ask anyone to leave regardless of the reason. He cannot make an officer take off his weapon regardless of what he thinks.

I am sure the Denny's Corporation will be having a conversation with the owner of this franchise. Police love them some Denny's.


I bet he can. If the officers wanted to eat in Denny's bad enough, they'll leave their weapons at the door.
 
2013-01-03 09:57:40 AM  
Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.


Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.
 
2013-01-03 09:58:05 AM  

jakrabit: On Duty Police are now banned by their Captain, and the news decided to paint a HUGE bullseye for armed robbers by making this public?

Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today".

warm up the popcorn, this is gonna get good.


Then they should sue the police department for ostracizing the restaurant, and publicly letting the criminals know they won't be protected by the police. THEN, the rest of the restaurants in town can sue the police department for extortion. By making this public, they're letting the other restaurants know they won't be protected from criminals if they don't let the policemen have free reign over the restaurants, including comped meals.

/how did I do with the derp?
 
2013-01-03 09:59:44 AM  
The wife and I were eating at a Chinese Buffet about a week after the Conn. shooting and there was a guy there carrying a pistol. He was clearly uncomfortable wearing it and kept touching it like it was going to jump out of the holster and run away. He kept surveying the other diners, looking for suspicious behavior. When his wife paid at the register, he kept his back to her, hand on his gun, watching everyone eat. It's like he was waiting for suspicious behavior so he could be a hero. The only one making the place unsafe, was him. Everyone was clearly uncomfortable with the situation. If someone is in plain clothes, carrying a gun, I don't want to eat in the same restaurant as them. How am I supposed to know they're police? Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito
 
2013-01-03 10:00:03 AM  
The left has completely snapped. Between this and their calling for political assassinations Link. The Dems had better take back their party from these so-called-progressives PDQ.
 
2013-01-03 10:00:44 AM  

Chongo79: Can we establish minimum standards for the "Not News, News, Fark" thing?

"Denny's manager turns away men with guns," doesn't seem newsworthy to me. Maybe:

"Boring: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Interesting: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers." or

"Small Town, Red State News: Denny's manager turns away men with guns. Fark: Men were on duty, uniformed police officers."

But the "Not News..." thing only works if the story actually escalates to a funny/absurd level. Escalating from "boring" to "interesting" isn't enough.

Good example:
Not News: Senator cheats on wife. News: Using taxpayer funds for romantic vacations. Fark: "Other woman" was actually his pet frog.)


Yes, Illinois is a big red state. Reading is fundamental.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:08 AM  

bikkurikun: Some simpleton made a mistakes, his boss apologized and the customers decided to take their business elsewhere anyway, which is their right. They were in the end not denied service, nor is it company policy to deny service to cops. Case closed and the stupid employee learned a lesson.


Or...

Some smart-ass got to talk down to some LEOs and express his hatred of firearms, legally.
 
2013-01-03 10:01:16 AM  
Only crime happening there that night was the way the food was prepared
 
2013-01-03 10:01:46 AM  

Tumunga: I bet he can. If the officers wanted to eat in Denny's bad enough, they'll leave their weapons at the door.


You are as incorrect as saying 2+2=5. Both legally and because you didn't read the article.
 
2013-01-03 10:05:28 AM  

Tumunga: I bet he can. If the officers wanted to eat in Denny's bad enough, they'll leave their weapons at the door.


Yeah, that is going to happen. Personally I don't like Denny's too much, I really don't need my arteries bullet proof as well. But, if someone has a absolutely no guns whatsoever and I mean it policy, I will just go somewhere else. And no, I wouldn't care either. It's their choice, so be it.

/it does get a bit awkward if you are investigating a robbery in a church....
 
2013-01-03 10:06:22 AM  

mayIFark: Private business' rights to serve, how do they work?

/In all likeliness, the guy detectives were being douche or the manager did not realize who they are, or they were scaring other customers away.

//DNRTFA


Yes, and customers have a right to leave and share the reason why they left. No one is saying that Denny's did anything illegal, just very stupid.
 
2013-01-03 10:07:14 AM  
Meh, why not?

In England the cops don't carry guns because they can't be trusted with them either.
 
2013-01-03 10:07:33 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: The wife and I were eating at a Chinese Buffet about a week after the Conn. shooting and there was a guy there carrying a pistol. He was clearly uncomfortable wearing it and kept touching it like it was going to jump out of the holster and run away. He kept surveying the other diners, looking for suspicious behavior. When his wife paid at the register, he kept his back to her, hand on his gun, watching everyone eat. It's like he was waiting for suspicious behavior so he could be a hero. The only one making the place unsafe, was him. Everyone was clearly uncomfortable with the situation. If someone is in plain clothes, carrying a gun, I don't want to eat in the same restaurant as them. How am I supposed to know they're police? Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito


Step outside to your car for a moment and call the cops non emergency number. Explain there is some jackass with a CCW who is giving it a hand job and the cops will normally send an officer over to biatch him out and remind him about the concealed part of his permit. Unless of course open carry is legal in your neck of the woods. Of course even then sometimes the cops can chew the guy out since there may be strings attached to open carry such as not acting like a paranoid 'tard.

/CCW holder
//I've done it to other idiots
 
2013-01-03 10:08:02 AM  

EngineerAU: RTFA. Denny's is fine with law enforcement officers bringing weapons with them. The night manager messed up and another manager tried to make the situation right but the detectives had their feelings hurt. The night manager needs to learn company policy better and the detectives need to take off their panties and get over it.


Sorry, if a restaurant manager takes issue with me, for whatever reason, I will leave.

Now, if the police called the news, I would say they should unclench. If the story went viral and then the news heard, so be it.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-03 10:11:43 AM  

Solty Dog: Next time use the drive by through.


FTFY
 
2013-01-03 10:12:06 AM  

mayIFark: or they were scaring other customers away.


You're a farking idiot. If your customers are scared away by police, you should probably want those customers to leave.
 
2013-01-03 10:12:27 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito


Ok, the guy sounds like a tool, but simply touching the butt of his pistol doesn't make him unsafe. However, the above statement... it happens. Frequently? No, thank god. But the point of having a carry permit is not to leave it in your car.
 
2013-01-03 10:12:59 AM  

here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.


what the hell are you talking about? are you dumb or something?
 
2013-01-03 10:13:53 AM  
I have noticed that also, that when a group of uniformed cops go into a place with open seating that nobody goes and sits near them, and sometimes people will even switch seats to sit away from them. Sometimes in a big place with sections they will be the only ones sitting in that section. It's never bothered me, in fact sometimes I go sit near them because it's less crowded. Never have had a lick of problems with them, not that I can recall.

It might be because I have relatives who are in the police (in other states) and have long since considered them to just be working joes. Or it might be because I strive to be "a southern gentleman" and always have good manners.

/Come to think of it, the last couple of times I got pulled over for a traffic ticket the cops let me go with a warning too. Knock wood.
 
2013-01-03 10:14:19 AM  

david_gaithersburg: The left has completely snapped. Between this and their calling for political assassinations Link. The Dems had better take back their party from these so-called-progressives PDQ.


You sure do have a lot of free time on your hands. Are you on welfare or something?
 
2013-01-03 10:15:17 AM  

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.
 
2013-01-03 10:16:49 AM  
I guess lots of Trolls eat at Denny's
 
2013-01-03 10:16:53 AM  

Uisce Beatha: ModernPrimitive01: Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito

Ok, the guy sounds like a tool, but simply touching the butt of his pistol doesn't make him unsafe. However, the above statement... it happens. Frequently? No, thank god. But the point of having a carry permit is not to leave it in your car.


this.
 
2013-01-03 10:17:04 AM  
The real issue is that this is possibly the most poorly edited article in the history of poorly edited articles. It looks like it was texted in by a lazy ten year-old who has only enough sense not to use U and B4.

In other non-news, there is a brand-new Waffle House being built about a mile from here. Who ever heard of such a thing?
 
2013-01-03 10:17:06 AM  

MycroftHolmes: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.

what the hell are you talking about? are you dumb or something?


Oh good. It's you again.
 
2013-01-03 10:18:39 AM  
I was at one my fav. places to eat once and two officers walked in. The waitress looked at me and then came my way. She told me the officers wanted dinner , would it be ok if they sat in the next booth. I said cool by me. I ate. They ate. After when I went to leave one of them called me back. He said Thank You for being cool about it. I said your welcome.
 
2013-01-03 10:20:00 AM  

here to help: david_gaithersburg: The left has completely snapped. Between this and their calling for political assassinations Link. The Dems had better take back their party from these so-called-progressives PDQ.

You sure do have a lot of free time on your hands. Are you on welfare or something?


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Ahh, I have a personal stalker.
 
2013-01-03 10:20:58 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: The wife and I were eating at a Chinese Buffet about a week after the Conn. shooting and there was a guy there carrying a pistol. He was clearly uncomfortable wearing it and kept touching it like it was going to jump out of the holster and run away. He kept surveying the other diners, looking for suspicious behavior. When his wife paid at the register, he kept his back to her, hand on his gun, watching everyone eat. It's like he was waiting for suspicious behavior so he could be a hero. The only one making the place unsafe, was him. Everyone was clearly uncomfortable with the situation. If someone is in plain clothes, carrying a gun, I don't want to eat in the same restaurant as them. How am I supposed to know they're police? Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito


Tell that to Dr. (now Rep.) Susanna Hupp. She was required to leave her gun in her vehicle as that was the law at the time in Texas when a madman busts in while she was having dinner and kills 23, including her mother and father.

The guy you encountered was a tard as he forgot what the "concealed" portion of his concealed carry meant. That doesn't mean all concealed carries are tards. You probably have at least one walk by you per day and you can never tell.
 
2013-01-03 10:21:48 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Kimpak: Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.

Is it paranoia if it's true?


Except that it isn't. Sure, some cops suck, just like any job. As a whole I'm very happy to have a trained and armed police force. I sure as hell don't want to live in some anarchistic place with no police.

Every cop isn't a hero, but also every cop isn't a Dirty Harry loose cannon either. If we're trying to have a pissing contest with "Well I heard once that this one cop was a dick" I could match you story for story for a "This cop is a Hero because..."
 
2013-01-03 10:22:09 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Kimpak: Wow, farkers are a bunch of paranoid farks. Seems like 98% of threads involving cops are dominated by people who think the vast majority of police are some sort of power hungry mobsters shooting at John Q. Public for no particular reason.

Is it paranoia if it's true?


Enough cops I've run into are paranoid jerks who take their copness make them feel superior that i personally would rather rely on the boyscouts than the Police. Further, enough of the street cops are unskilled jackasses that I'd really rather not be anywhere near them if they have to discharge their weapons.

Something that amuses me is that on one hand you have threads filled with folks that rag on the police and how they're corrupt douchebags that couldn't protect a baloney sammich, and those same folks are the ones that turn around and say that the average citizen gun owner shouldn't need to own guns because of the police who have all this special training.

So which is it? Are the police the paramilitary special forces with more training than your average Navy SEAL, or are they inept jackasses? My experience, per my first statement in this reply, has been the latter.
 
2013-01-03 10:22:41 AM  

david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.


Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.
 
2013-01-03 10:22:57 AM  
long read, felt appropriate for the thread

linked because too big:
big-ass pic with story about idiots freaking out at the sight of a citizen with a firearm
 
2013-01-03 10:24:15 AM  

here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.


You say "totes" one more time, and I swear to god I will blood-eagle you and send you floating back to merry old England.
 
2013-01-03 10:24:17 AM  

MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.


This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.
 
2013-01-03 10:24:34 AM  

here to help: MycroftHolmes: here to help: I like the attitude that the cops can and should just completely neglect their sworn duties to protect the public because someone hurt their widdle feewings.

what the hell are you talking about? are you dumb or something?

Oh good. It's you again.


So, can you elaborate on your somewhat non-sequitor and incoherent argument that choosing to eat somewhere else while on duty is completely neglecting their sworn duties? I would love to see the chain of logic that supports this assertion.
 
2013-01-03 10:25:36 AM  

Kit Fister: You say "totes" one more time, and I swear to god I will blood-eagle you and send you floating back to merry old England.


Whoa, dude. Let's not go cray cray.
 
2013-01-03 10:26:13 AM  

pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.


Three recent studies - one from Texas A&M, one from GA Tech and one currently under way at Stanford - show that "stand your ground" states have significantly higher homicide rates than other states and that the laws do not deter crime one iota. In fact, the crime rates on these states is actually higher. The homicides are variously classified by the police, but when using standard criteria to classify them, the majority of homocides are not justifiable, i.e., not self-defense. Though the data are difficult to examine, owing to a lack of standards in reporting by law enforcement, most of the stand your ground killings seem to be the result of what would otherwise be minor scuffles. When a altercation occurs, both parties consider the other guy the "bad guy" and considers himself "threatened" and the gun comes out.

The NRA has performed "technical analyses" of these peer-reviewed studies and have predictably labelled them as "flawed." However, they refuse to subject their "analyses" to peer-review.
 
2013-01-03 10:26:15 AM  

david_gaithersburg: here to help: david_gaithersburg: The left has completely snapped. Between this and their calling for political assassinations Link. The Dems had better take back their party from these so-called-progressives PDQ.

You sure do have a lot of free time on your hands. Are you on welfare or something?

.
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.


Enjoy it while you can.
 
2013-01-03 10:26:45 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: long read, felt appropriate for the thread

linked because too big:
big-ass pic with story about idiots freaking out at the sight of a citizen with a firearm


Lot of places in Colorado and some places in MI, especially away from large cities, people open carry all the time. I don't give a rat's ass, it's their right and legal to do. Most other people don't, either, in those areas.

However, it's generally polite and smart to not advertise you have a gun, since while you may have excellent gun handling skills, chances are you're not a martial artist or hand to hand combat expert who will be able to prevent someone with the element of surprise from beating you and taking your weapon.

What I do in my own home, and what I have on or about my person, is none of anyone's business unless I decide to advertise it.
 
2013-01-03 10:27:08 AM  

here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.


This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.
 
2013-01-03 10:27:41 AM  

here to help: Kit Fister: You say "totes" one more time, and I swear to god I will blood-eagle you and send you floating back to merry old England.

Whoa, dude. Let's not go cray cray.


Get a rope.
 
2013-01-03 10:28:16 AM  

MycroftHolmes: So, can you elaborate on your somewhat non-sequitor and incoherent argument that choosing to eat somewhere else while on duty is completely neglecting their sworn duties? I would love to see the chain of logic that supports this assertion.


*sigh*

Fine I will feed your troll... but just this once. I was referring to all the people gleefully saying the cops are gonna let criminals do whatever they want to the restaurant because of the perceived slight.
 
2013-01-03 10:28:48 AM  

Kit Fister: HindiDiscoMonster: Kimpak:
... Further, enough of the street cops are unskilled jackasses that I'd really rather not be anywhere near them if they have to discharge their weapons.
...
So which is it? Are the police the paramilitary special forces with more training than your average Navy SEAL, or are they inept jackasses? My experience, per my first statement in this reply, has been the latter.


THIS. Having gone to shooting ranges with cops before, I have been appalled at their lack of skill (and sometimes safety as well). I may not be the best shot out there, but I can at least be reasonably accurate and consistently safe. I would expect the same from an LEO - but I haven't seen it in my limited experience.
 
2013-01-03 10:30:49 AM  

MycroftHolmes: This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.


I don't comment that often. I was just bored this morning and am actually about to go back to studying.

Good to know I've managed to annoy you though. Have a pleasant day.
 
2013-01-03 10:32:09 AM  

here to help: MycroftHolmes: So, can you elaborate on your somewhat non-sequitor and incoherent argument that choosing to eat somewhere else while on duty is completely neglecting their sworn duties? I would love to see the chain of logic that supports this assertion.

*sigh*

Fine I will feed your troll... but just this once. I was referring to all the people gleefully saying the cops are gonna let criminals do whatever they want to the restaurant because of the perceived slight.


There are a few internet concepts you need to learn. One is attribution, or the concept of, when responding to a specific post and not the general content of the thread, you should quote the person you are responding to. It is a little tricky at first, but with practice, you will get pretty good at it. The second term you should look up is trolling. Pointing out the stupidity of your arguments does not count as trolling just because you disagree with what is being written.

Keep working buddy, you will surely get better at this.
 
2013-01-03 10:33:19 AM  

ccundiff: Three minutes later: "Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!"


I love you too Honeybunny.
 
2013-01-03 10:33:33 AM  

WinoRhino: 1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.


Not sure what that has to do with something that happened in Missouri though :-)

MO = Missouri
MT = Montana
 
2013-01-03 10:36:36 AM  

MycroftHolmes: here to help: MycroftHolmes: So, can you elaborate on your somewhat non-sequitor and incoherent argument that choosing to eat somewhere else while on duty is completely neglecting their sworn duties? I would love to see the chain of logic that supports this assertion.

*sigh*

Fine I will feed your troll... but just this once. I was referring to all the people gleefully saying the cops are gonna let criminals do whatever they want to the restaurant because of the perceived slight.

There are a few internet concepts you need to learn. One is attribution, or the concept of, when responding to a specific post and not the general content of the thread, you should quote the person you are responding to. It is a little tricky at first, but with practice, you will get pretty good at it. The second term you should look up is trolling. Pointing out the stupidity of your arguments does not count as trolling just because you disagree with what is being written.

Keep working buddy, you will surely get better at this.


Thanks for tips, champ.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:47 AM  

JackieRabbit: pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.

Three recent studies - one from Texas A&M, one from GA Tech and one currently under way at Stanford - show that "stand your ground" states have significantly higher homicide rates than other states and that the laws do not deter crime one iota. In fact, the crime rates on these states is actually higher. The homicides are variously classified by the police, but when using standard criteria to classify them, the majority of homocides are not justifiable, i.e., not self-defense. Though the data are difficult to examine, owing to a lack of standards in reporting by law enforcement, most of the stand your ground killings seem to be the result of what would otherwise be minor scuffles. When a altercation occurs, both parties consider the other guy the "bad guy" and considers himself "threatened" and the gun comes out.

The NRA has performed "technical analyses" of these peer-reviewed studies and have predictably labelled them as "flawed." However, they refuse to subject their "analyses" to peer-review.


oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:17 AM  
Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop, so if the place says "No Guns on Premises" then that's the farking rule, asshole. I get really tired of cops parking wherever the hell they want, blowing traffic signals, and basically acting like Mr. Big Dick because they have a badge.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:19 AM  
Sadly, the idea that we should leave the guns to the "trained professionals" is a joke. They're often badly trained horrible shots and unfortunately, are too well protected from being held responsible for bad behavior and even blatantly illegal actions.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:39 AM  

Sultan Of Herf: Has that manager never dealt with cops before? Its really best to not annoy or aggravate them, it usually ends badly for you.

My feelings on police is pretty mixed these days. I used to really like them, but after several cases of never being there when I needed them (never showed to investigate or take report of a bullet through my kitchen window), but right on the spot when I didnt (almost anytime I wandered over the posted speed limit) Im kinda tired of them. I like the general theory...but I prefer when they practice it well away from me.

Sad that the few dicks are so bad they ruin the opinion of the whole

/kinda like Fark


May I ask what you would like for them to investigate about the bullet hole through your window? Did you hear the shot? Did you find the bullet? Was anyone injured? Do you know what the call volume was that night?

They aren't going to run forensics on a bullet for a broken window. You should have called back and asked if an officer was going to come by and if they had a high call volume if you could just make a phone report for insurance purposes.
 
2013-01-03 10:37:49 AM  
ParaHandy: Right of free association.

ooh, american "rights talk!" let me just counter that with the derper "private property rights" card.

Or, you can read an excellent book like "rights talk" and understand why america deserves a more intelligent and nuanced national discourse than simply "rights" in the way the term is now abused.
 
2013-01-03 10:38:09 AM  

bikkurikun: The question is, why is it news that an underpayed uneducated restaurant employee makes a mistake which is immediately corrected by a higher manager.

Some simpleton made a mistakes, his boss apologized and the customers decided to take their business elsewhere anyway, which is their right. They were in the end not denied service, nor is it company policy to deny service to cops. Case closed and the stupid employee learned a lesson.

It is not news, there is no need whatsoever to make anything bigger out of it, but for some mysterious reason the police felt it was necessary to go attention whoring to the media about absolutely nothing.


I will give you the untrained but why do you assume uneducated and a simpleton. Might it be another customer was getting on his/her case about the guns and this person never being in this situation before just made the wrong decision and then like any good organization his/her supervisor took charge and tried to correct the error. The officers were unreasonable in their reaction unless they also are rookies.
 
2013-01-03 10:39:49 AM  
Free markets, great stuff. You have the right to deny service, thousands more have the right to never step foot in your place of business again.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:06 AM  

Kimpak: JackieRabbit: pedrop357: This whole kicking out people openly carrying reeks of nothing but irrational fear.

Has there been any real incidents of citizens openly carrying and causing any kind of problems? If so, are there enough to warrant kicking out anyone carrying a gun just because you see it?

Last I checked, few robbers or other criminals come into a place with guns in holsters and just sit down like regular customers.

Three recent studies - one from Texas A&M, one from GA Tech and one currently under way at Stanford - show that "stand your ground" states have significantly higher homicide rates than other states and that the laws do not deter crime one iota. In fact, the crime rates on these states is actually higher. The homicides are variously classified by the police, but when using standard criteria to classify them, the majority of homocides are not justifiable, i.e., not self-defense. Though the data are difficult to examine, owing to a lack of standards in reporting by law enforcement, most of the stand your ground killings seem to be the result of what would otherwise be minor scuffles. When a altercation occurs, both parties consider the other guy the "bad guy" and considers himself "threatened" and the gun comes out.

The NRA has performed "technical analyses" of these peer-reviewed studies and have predictably labelled them as "flawed." However, they refuse to subject their "analyses" to peer-review.

oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.


Even the FBI's data doesn't jive with the studies from those universities.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:22 AM  

Kimpak: oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.


Conceal and carry has nothing to do with stand your ground. I wrote NOTHING about banning ANYTHING. Stop building strawmen, it can only make you look like an indoctrinated idiot.

/not anti-gun, just anti-stupid
 
2013-01-03 10:41:53 AM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,
 
2013-01-03 10:42:09 AM  

JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.


That's how I feel about postmen. There is a Jew-type deli near my house that has awesome pastami sammiches. Trouble is that the postal workers like to eat there. It's hard to enjoy my meal when I have a table full of pepperspray armed, uniformed, private propety tresspassers sitting right next to me. Almost every day one of these jack booted thugs walks across my lawn, and actualy shoves pieces of paper through a shuttered airvent in my door. These little slips of paper are almost always ransom demands for money, or else someone will come by and shut off my water, electricity or internet or some other thing I depend on from day to day. And I can't do a thing about it. I tried keeping rottweilers in my front yard (I tied them to trees with a 3 foot section of heavy duty boat anchor chain to keep them in the yard) to keep them out, but then they just use their pepper spray to bypass my security system.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:12 AM  

browneye: The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's


Denny's isn't a place you go; it's a place where you end up.
 
2013-01-03 10:42:54 AM  

The Muthaship: If anything, I bet the police response times to service calls at this Denny's will be faster than before. They'd look pretty bad to the locals if they seemed like they were holding a grudge.


That ship already sailed when they called the local TV station and asked them to announce that there won't be any cops in that Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:30 AM  

fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop, so if the place says "No Guns on Premises" then that's the farking rule, asshole. I get really tired of cops parking wherever the hell they want, blowing traffic signals, and basically acting like Mr. Big Dick because they have a badge.


1. It was not the rule, and they probably had eaten there before
2. Once it was pointed out that Denny's would rather not have armed officers there, they left, and informed their armed coworkers of the situation.

Not exactly sure what you are having an issue with.
 
2013-01-03 10:44:43 AM  

fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop


Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.
 
2013-01-03 10:45:02 AM  

Fat-D: They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,


As far as the "they left anyway part" of the story I can see one of them sitting there all smug afterwards saying "See? Told ya. I didn't even want to come to this shiathole. Can we go to Robbie's Rib Bucket like I wanted to all along?"
 
2013-01-03 10:46:32 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: ParaHandy: Right of free association.

ooh, american "rights talk!" let me just counter that with the derper "private property rights" card.

Or, you can read an excellent book like "rights talk" and understand why america deserves a more intelligent and nuanced national discourse than simply "rights" in the way the term is now abused.


Or you can simply not act like a jackass and accept the fact that a "right" and a "Freedom", with regards to the law and personal freedoms are often used in a correct manner, if without including the hundreds of pages of nuance regarding exceptions, limitations, and mitigations to said exceptions and limitations.

Let's face it, the term "right", though used in a manner suggesting "absolute freedom", may not be used by most to recognize exceptions, limitations, and legal nuances, but none of those nuances negate the basic premise of the accepted legal precedent that a right, at its fundamental core, is a personal freedom or inherent expectation of a freedom that is enjoyed by the citizenry as a foundational core of their being without denial by any legal entity.

The right to free speech is limited in that slander and such statements as thought to be exceedingly dangerous (fire in a crowded theater), but no limitations can inherently deny the basic right to freedom of speech.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:21 AM  

freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


I would have to be flying for work. Take the FAA course and travel with authorization from my department. Technically off-duty but for work.
 
2013-01-03 10:47:57 AM  

WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.


THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?
 
2013-01-03 10:48:32 AM  

Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,


The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:03 AM  
WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.


Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.
 
2013-01-03 10:50:45 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.

I would have to be flying for work. Take the FAA course and travel with authorization from my department. Technically off-duty but for work.


You are correct, sir. I used to work for the agency that conducted that training (they started out under the FAA, went to ICE and are now under TSA).
 
2013-01-03 10:50:54 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Unless you wear a police uniform, leave your gun in the car, no one is going to bust in and open fire while you eat your burrito


I used to think that no one was gonna bust in and open fire while I was watching Batman. Or attending elementry school.

/Carry everywhere it is legal to do so. Concealed. No one needs to know what I have.
 
2013-01-03 10:51:20 AM  

algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?


I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?
 
2013-01-03 10:52:00 AM  

freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.



Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed
 
2013-01-03 10:53:06 AM  
MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.


So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.
 
2013-01-03 10:53:17 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Over zealous assistant manager says something stupid, and the situation was quickly resolved by the manager before the cops even left the table. But these poor, poor law enforcement officers had their feelings hurt, so they just had to make sure that this turned into a bigger issue then the situation warranted.

The cops were bigger morans then the manager.


Yeah, pretty much. Cops love dishing out the harassment, but have the sandiest vaginas I've ever seen. Typical bully mentality.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:05 AM  

JackieRabbit: Kimpak: oh really? So Iowa should be one of the murder capitols since we have some very easy to get conceal carry laws. I can pull some statistics out of my arse too if you'd like. 100% of people who breathe air have died. We should ban air since its clearly killing people.

Conceal and carry has nothing to do with stand your ground. I wrote NOTHING about banning ANYTHING. Stop building strawmen, it can only make you look like an indoctrinated idiot.

/not anti-gun, just anti-stupid


I used a straw man to point out how absurd these studies can be. There's a bigger picture to what causes a particular crime than whether or not the state has 'stand your ground' laws or any type of 'carry' permit. Its the same argument whenever someone tries to point out that some tiny Asian country has faster internet on average than the U.S. Completely ignoring population densities and so forth. Also correlation does not equal causation.

All the cop hate is equally absurd. People only read about the bad cop stories, or may even have a first hand anecdote. This does not automatically make the thousands of other cops in the country corrupt. And as much as any of you want to play internet tough guy, there's no way you wan't to live in a world with no police force.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:11 AM  

algrant33: THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?


Attention: I'm an asshole who accused people of not reading the article and I got some details wrong myself. Please continue with the discussion and I will show myself out of the thread, ashamed. Damnit.
 
2013-01-03 10:54:34 AM  

Waldo Pepper: The Muthaship: ramblinwreck: Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

Really? They were asked to leave for a bullsh*t reason, and they left. If I got asked to leave an establishment for a bullsh*t reason, I'd be unlikely to return also.

Do you think this is the first time an armed police officer has been served at this Denny's?

You are right though. Denny's can deny them service if they want. Nothing requires them to serve guests who are armed.

and before they left another manager came over and said they could stay, really these cops carry guns and are there to protect and serve and they don't understand a employee who made a mistake. I'm willing to guess they meals would have been on the house.


That's because cops never make mistakes, so they have no frame of reference...
 
2013-01-03 10:54:39 AM  
cdn.firearmstalk.com
 
2013-01-03 10:55:27 AM  

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local
 
2013-01-03 10:55:28 AM  

JackieRabbit: Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,

The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.


Do us all a favor and STFU, you have no farking idea what the rules are in East St. Louis, IL. Also, if you own a business, restaurant or a bar, you can request that customers not carry a weapon while in YOUR establishment or they will not be served. Interfering while on duty -- ok, dipshiat, they are EATING A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT, not investigating a crime.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:09 AM  
Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.


Never mind, I hadn't noticed the other post. It seems you had replied to the wrong post.
 
2013-01-03 10:56:11 AM  

Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.


I admit it was a little incoherent, but Here to Help had replied to me upthread, pointing out that I was responding to him(him being here to help). Sorry, it was a bit confusing. Made more sense inside my head
 
2013-01-03 10:56:22 AM  

ccundiff: Three minutes later: "Everybody be cool, this is a robbery!"


I gotta go pee. I wanna go home.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:32 AM  
Geez, this is just a lone manager screwing up...and steps were taken by corporate to fix it.
It's not unknown for store managers to wind up causing PR nightmares for businesses by misinterpreting  their "Company Policy"

You hear about store managers tossing customers for bogus reasons such as bringing in service animals and breastfeeding infants; for refusing use of their phone to make a 911 call, not allowing people with an obvious emergency need to use their restrooms or refusing to pay a "mandatory" gratuity.

And how about that idiot Starbucks manager that wanted to charge rescue workers a premium for bottled water on 9-11?

Generally, corporate tries their best at damage control from the stupid behavior, but sometimes they take too long causing bigger problems for them.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:42 AM  

dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed


I didn't feel the need to quote the entire directive - merely pointing out that the blanket statement that cops cannot board while carrying is incorrect.
 
2013-01-03 10:57:50 AM  
MycroftHolmes: Latinwolf: MycroftHolmes: here to help: david_gaithersburg: .
Ahh, I have a personal stalker.

Yes. I've replied to you in two threads in response to your non stop threadsh*tting. Totes stalkin' ya. This must be the most attention you've received in months.

This amusing. I hadn't even realized that I was responding to someone who I had had words with before until you pointed it out. You do crave the internet attention, don't you? It's cool, though, we all have our things that float our boats.

So you're saying that you and david_gaithersburg are the same person since that is who he was replying to and yet you responded as MycroftHolmes.

I admit it was a little incoherent, but Here to Help had replied to me upthread, pointing out that I was responding to him(him being here to help). Sorry, it was a bit confusing. Made more sense inside my head


I caught that just 2 seconds before you posted.
 
2013-01-03 10:58:26 AM  
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com
I think it would be kinda funny to carve the "." between Profanity and Fishing into a ',".
Because profanity certianly goes with finishing. But then you'd have to choose between using a gun OR profanity while fishing. Can't use both.
 
2013-01-03 10:59:42 AM  

freetomato: dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed

I didn't feel the need to quote the entire directive - merely pointing out that the blanket statement that cops cannot board while carrying is incorrect.


Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!
 
2013-01-03 10:59:44 AM  

fat_free: Do us all a favor and STFU, you have no farking idea what the rules are in East St. Louis, IL. Also, if you own a business, restaurant or a bar, you can request that customers not carry a weapon while in YOUR establishment or they will not be served. Interfering while on duty -- ok, dipshiat, they are EATING A MEAL AT A RESTAURANT, not investigating a crime.


i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-03 10:59:57 AM  

Latinwolf: I caught that just 2 seconds before you posted.


It still wouldn't surprise me if they were the same person.
 
2013-01-03 11:00:12 AM  

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


Holy hell... its Belleville, Illinois
 
2013-01-03 11:01:34 AM  

fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!


Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.
 
2013-01-03 11:03:19 AM  

MythDragon: [bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 300x200]
I think it would be kinda funny to carve the "." between Profanity and Fishing into a ',".
Because profanity certianly goes with finishing. But then you'd have to choose between using a gun OR profanity while fishing. Can't use both.


I need nothing about TNT on that sign, so I'm good to go.
 
2013-01-03 11:04:03 AM  

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


Well, to be fair TFA is wrong. It wasn't Belleville, MO it was Belleville, IL which is right beside East St Louis, IL. Belleville, MO which is near Joplin, isn't big enough to have a police force, let alone a Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 11:05:19 AM  

ha-ha-guy: I need nothing about TNT on that sign, so I'm good to go.


Eat the Hobbit Platter...you won't need any high grade explosives.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:47 AM  

MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?


The source is from a St. Louis TV station, truly no one reads articles anymore before making knee jerk reactions. Anyway if I told to get the fark out, I'd leave, even if someone else told me to stay, unless they comp the meal on the spot, then maybe I'd consider bygones. There is no point trying to white knight a stupid manager who violated company policy and also cost the company the only sober customers they usually have pplz.
 
2013-01-03 11:10:47 AM  

freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.


Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!
 
2013-01-03 11:12:30 AM  
Night Manager at a Denny's in Belleville Mo. I bet that looks good on a resume.
 
2013-01-03 11:13:28 AM  

algrant33: MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?

It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local


Bellevue, IL is near I-74 by Peoria. Belleville is near I-64 and is further south by 170 miles.

I moved to Belleview, IL, from Bellevue, NE four years ago and I still screw up occasionally when giving my address.
 
2013-01-03 11:14:29 AM  

fat_free: freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.

Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!


You really are a dumbass, aren't you?  Own your "you can't board a plane carrying a firearm if you are a cop" statement, that was politely corrected, and move on.
 
2013-01-03 11:15:55 AM  

Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.


My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.
 
2013-01-03 11:17:39 AM  

mikemil828: The source is from a St. Louis TV station, truly no one reads articles anymore before making knee jerk reactions. Anyway if I told to get the fark out, I'd leave, even if someone else told me to stay, unless they comp the meal on the spot, then maybe I'd consider bygones. There is no point trying to white knight a stupid manager who violated company policy and also cost the company the only sober customers they usually have pplz.


Putting aside the non-location related issues... this is where people got the idea it was Belleville,MO... surprisingly from the article itself

BELLEVILLE, MO (KTVI)- The Belleville Chief of Police has banned his officers from eating at the local Denny's restaurant while on duty after an incident at the establishment New Year's Day.
 
2013-01-03 11:20:37 AM  

freetomato: fat_free: freetomato: fat_free: Ooh! See! There's a technicality! Look how smart you are!

Smart enough not to spew on subjects I know nothing about.

Hey, no, you're right. In fact, most people can bring a firearm on to a plane, provided they take a few easy steps first.

1. Join the military or become a LEO
2. Go through special training to allow you to bring your weapon on to a flight
3. Identify a reason for your job that requires you to have access to your weapon during the flight
4. Register the specifics with the FAA
5. Show up at the airport and waltz right in with your firearm

See, it's easy! Anyone can do it!

You really are a dumbass, aren't you?  Own your "you can't board a plane carrying a firearm if you are a cop" statement, that was politely corrected, and move on.


I did! But I'm also so thankful that a genius like yourself could point out how woefully wrong I was, and that by taking the measures you pointed out, any American can bring a gun on to a plane! I forgot another easy route, which is "Become a Federal Air Marshal"! See, you're right again!

/+1000000000000000 Internets
 
2013-01-03 11:21:05 AM  

WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.


My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and smoking pot. They were loud enough that a cop stopped by to investigate. After he got bailed out of jail, all he could talk about was how the cop was being an ass and that he had no right to search his car. No mention of how dumb it was to be out drinking, making a lot of noise, and smoking pot.

People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.
 
2013-01-03 11:24:18 AM  
why is it always Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 11:24:36 AM  

here to help: Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.

Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.


Well, to be fair, religion isn't some sort of monolithic entity like a police department.
 
2013-01-03 11:25:54 AM  

maudibjr: why is it always Denny's?


Sometimes it's Chuck E Cheese.
 
2013-01-03 11:26:06 AM  
Also, they drank all the maple syrup.
 
2013-01-03 11:27:19 AM  
hilobrow.com
 
2013-01-03 11:29:13 AM  
Belleville, Missouri, apparently allows open carrying of firearms by ordinary citizens.
 
2013-01-03 11:30:10 AM  

MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and smoking pot. They were loud enough that a cop stopped by to investigate. After he got bailed out of jail, all he could talk about was how the cop was being an ass and that he had no right to search his car. No mention of how dumb it was to be out drinking, making a lot of noise, and smoking pot.

People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.


One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.
 
2013-01-03 11:35:14 AM  

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


No, nothing is missing.

The police have no duty to protect you as the individual. If they're able to do so, great but they don't have a legal obligation.
 
2013-01-03 11:36:34 AM  

Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: Most places don't let armed gang members in.

I dont care if theyre armed....i just dont want them wearing their colors.

/colors colors colors


That's going old school!
 
2013-01-03 11:40:21 AM  

jedikinkoid: One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.


I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?
 
2013-01-03 11:41:49 AM  

MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and ...


Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are lying bullies.

Ever have a cop pull you over for a taillight out, and then give you several field sobriety tests because he claimed to "smell alcohol" when no one in the car had been drinking? I have, twice. Yes, of course I passed all the waste-my-time tests, BECAUSE I HAD NOT BEEN DRINKING. No, I no longer drive through Mendham NJ at night, because the cops are assholes, with nothing better to do than harass people.

Ever had a cop harass you by claiming he saw you talking on a cell phone while driving WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A CELL PHONE? I have. That one shut up when I offered him the chance to search my car and my person and ticket me if he found a cell phone, but that I would be contacting his supervisor if he did not.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:20 AM  
"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.


I've seen enough of what police can do and get away with it.

I will never associate or communicate with police more than I ever have to, it's not worth it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDTIviQp2pM
 
2013-01-03 11:43:00 AM  

KWess: How many stories are there on Fark about employees being summarily fired for not following arcane company rules to the letter, despite it being obvious to all present that the rule was stupid in this-or-that case?

How many Walmart greeters need to be frog-marched out the door before a low-level Denny's employee got the message - 'comply.'

He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.


Pretty much this. Stop blaming worker bees for being worker bees.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:52 AM  
Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

The point flew so far over Captain Sax's head that I'm not sure he could even hear it whizzing by. The police officers are a-okay. Their guns are not. Leave the guns in the car, and you could come inside. There are signs at every entrance to the bar areas that state exactly this. Either they were in the bar area and ignoring those signs because of their badges, or one of them whipped out their gun and started messing with it during their meal.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:17 AM  

ramblinwreck: "Full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

Nope, don't see firearms on that list.

It's another story that this is just a bad business move.


Came here to say this. Denny's has a right to deny service to anyone except it can't discriminate against based on those federally protected classes for those respective reasons.

Why were the detectives so butt-hurt over being denied service?

People don't like having their daily routine interrupted or put at odds when they unexpectedly have to change their normal behavior in order to obey the legal authority of someone that they don't consider to be as smart or as reasonable as themselves.

In this situation, what the manager did was not terribly wise, but it was perfectly legal for them to exercise their authority over which patrons could be present. And I'm willing to bet the police investigators were smarter on average than this particular manager.
 
2013-01-03 11:44:38 AM  

mayIFark: This is actually news to me. In other words, they are really all detectives and prosecutors? Something is missing here. I think that clause is there to prevent any lawsuit that cops failed to prevent a crime.


You are correct. People that do not like the police commonly grasp on the language "no duty to protect" that was used and throw it around like it actually means something. They picture a police officer watching you getting raped walking away whistling....screw that I am on break.

It is to limit civil liability and that is all.

In practice, if you are in danger it is my duty to step in and protect you period. I don't give two shiats how that case is read or written. It's in the oath that I took, it's in my job description, and I do it all the time.
 
2013-01-03 11:45:08 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: He wasn't trained to think, he was trained that the rules will be followed, or else. The fact that the rule was stupid was not his tasking.

Pretty much this. Stop blaming worker bees for being worker bees.


Sounds like he has a promising career in law enforcement

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2013-01-03 11:51:09 AM  
I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?


But that's not what happened if you read the article.

Patron of Denny's noticed people at a table with guns, told a manager.

Manager told patrons with guns they were not allowed to have fire arms while dining in Denny's.

Patrons informed manager they were off-duty police officers.

Manager then asks them to please secure them in their vehicles then because they don't allow firearms in the establishment.

Instead of politely complying and understanding the request Police Officers refused to secure their firearms and instead walked out even after another manager apologized for the incident and told them they could stay.

Now after Denny's themselves released an official statement saying it was a misunderstanding, the Police Chief is still making a big deal out of it.

That's why people don't like cops. That entire incident could have been avoided if they just respected the Denny's wishes and just secure their guns in their cars but no, they couldn't be bothered to do that and now it's the restaurants fault for having the nerve to ask the OFF-DUTY Police Officers to please secure their guns in their vehicles because it was making other patrons nervous.
 
2013-01-03 11:51:59 AM  
Denny's the retarded brother of fast food.
 
2013-01-03 11:52:01 AM  

ParaHandy: JonnyG: Good. 5 officers wearing guns and uniforms into a restaurant is an intimidation technique. I would not feel comfortable eating my meal next to 5 power tripping loose cannons. The entire atmosphere of a place changes when cops walk through the door and it's not because everyone thinks heroes have just arrived.

I kind of feel the same way. Having grown up in a gun free culture, open carry by anyone makes me very uncomfortable. I've had to face down a pair of APD cops who wanted to illegally enter my home once, stretched my arms out across the doorway but was careful not to touch them.

I fear cops more than gang bangers - at least if a gang banger shoots a middle class white guy, he gets prosecuted.


I saw the APD cops in your post and was about to call bullshiat. Anyone knows if it had happened in Atlanta, you would have died from six self-inflicted bullet wounds to the back of your skull.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:16 AM  

dustman81: freetomato: fat_free: Meh, fark the fuzz on this one. You can't board a plane with a firearm if you're a cop

Yes, they can.  Off duty LEOs can carry on a commercial flight.  They have a hoop or two to jump through but they can and do.  "Flying While Armed" training is offered to them by the government, and it is understood that they will step up and act as an Air Marshal if the situation arises.


Nope. They must show TSA that they MUST have access to the weapon while in flight. Otherwise, they need to check it like everyone else.

http://www.tsa.gov/about-tsa/law-enforcement-officers-flying-armed


You should read your own link. Particularly this sentence (emphasis added by me):

The need to have the weapon accessible must be determined by the employing agency

I work for an agency that has sworn officers flying armed all the time. Most of the time, their actual potential need is no greater than it would be if they were driving across country in their car.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:31 AM  
If I had five armed guys in plain clothes nearby and it bothered me as a patron or as a manager, I probably would have just called the cops. Badges, police radios, and guns don't automatically say "officer of the law" to me.
 
2013-01-03 11:53:47 AM  
 
2013-01-03 11:57:09 AM  

Bermuda59: Night Manager at a Denny's in Belleville Mo. I bet that looks good on a resume.


I know. People that work were they are born are the lowest forms of life.
 
2013-01-03 11:58:05 AM  

angiemama: If I had five armed guys in plain clothes nearby and it bothered me as a patron or as a manager, I probably would have just called the cops. Badges, police radios, and guns don't automatically say "officer of the law" to me.


That would be the smart thing to do and I recommend everyone else do it.
 
2013-01-03 12:00:22 PM  
Another reason people are upset with the Police for those of you who can't seem to understand or grasp why is the reaction of the whole police force in particular this ridiculous comment made by the Captain:

"Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

Nobody said they didn't want Police Officers in Denny's, they didn't want Guns in Denny's.

Police are blowing this out of proportion and acting as though they are victims.

Another ridiculous blown out of proportion statement

"Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough.""

They weren't harassed, there were asked to secure their guns in their vehicles because Denny's doesn't allow guns in their establishment.

Why can't the police just respect the businesses wishes instead of making such a huge ordeal out of this and playing the victim?
 
2013-01-03 12:00:30 PM  

here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.


I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.
 
2013-01-03 12:02:14 PM  

WinoRhino: I'm no gun nut, but sounds like this was only an irrational, alarmist customer and an overzealous manager. Then you had another manager who knew better, and detectives who also did the right thing by simply leaving and not creating a continued stir.


So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?
 
2013-01-03 12:03:47 PM  

tbhouston: You're suppose to do what ever the military tells you, stupid. If they want to eat, let them eat


www.angryblackladychronicles.com
 
2013-01-03 12:04:05 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


Well then your part of the problem.

World doesn't revolve around you and asking someone to please secure their gun in their vehicle because it's making other patrons nervous isn't an unreasonable request.

Your being unreasonable by trying to hurt their business in retribution for your getting butt hurt at them asking you not to carry a deadly weapon on your person while dining in their establishment because it's making other patrons nervous.
 
2013-01-03 12:09:59 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.
 
2013-01-03 12:12:27 PM  
Having actually RTFA for once before the comments, I'm going to share my thoughts and then go back and see how I stack up against the Fark Consensus™.

1. It's legal, or it should be, to refuse service to armed police (or armed anybody) at a private establishment.

2. The manager, while not legally wrong*, Walter, was definitely an asshole. In my mind's eye, I'm seeing a 24-year-old who woke up that morning in awe of the power and responsibilities that go with being a Denny's assistant night manager.

3. The police response comes off sounding like this. "The bad man hurted our fee-fees and now our fee-fees have an owie and we're telling everybody not to go to the bad man's Denny's and someday he'll be sorry." I'm not saying they shouldn't be pissed, but come on. Act like it's not the worst thing you've ever seen on the job, even it if is.

Now let's check the thread and see how I did!
 
2013-01-03 12:14:32 PM  

WinoRhino: jedikinkoid: One of my favorite truism, source unknown: The plural of anecdote is not data.

"Bad cop" stories don't make all LEOs corrupt/power-tripping a-holes.
But likewise, neither "good cop" nor "bad brother" stories prove that all people who hate/fear cops do so without good reason.

I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?


Thsnk you for the reasoned response, both now and beforehand - I should have noted that I was replying primarily to MycroftHolmes' assertion, not your well-qualified statement. In fact, yours helped me moderate my own tone.

I would say, though, that I see the chief's response as being more motivated by butthurt than reason. If he had left it at privately telling his cops to boycott Denny's, it would be one thing. He didn't. He took it to the TV station. At the very least, to get sympathy and dissuade people from patronizing them. At the worst, as a cute way of publicly announcing "Hey, not that we aren't going to answer calls or nothin' *wink wink*, but there won't be any police in or around the Belleville Denny's."

Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.
 
2013-01-03 12:18:14 PM  
My question, why were half a dozen police officers sitting down to a hearty Denny's meal together while on duty? Why weren't they out doing police officer stuffs?
 
2013-01-03 12:18:26 PM  

semiotix: Having actually RTFA for once before the comments, I'm going to share my thoughts and then go back and see how I stack up against the Fark Consensus™.

1. It's legal, or it should be, to refuse service to armed police (or armed anybody) at a private establishment.

2. The manager, while not legally wrong*, Walter, was definitely an asshole. In my mind's eye, I'm seeing a 24-year-old who woke up that morning in awe of the power and responsibilities that go with being a Denny's assistant night manager.

3. The police response comes off sounding like this. "The bad man hurted our fee-fees and now our fee-fees have an owie and we're telling everybody not to go to the bad man's Denny's and someday he'll be sorry." I'm not saying they shouldn't be pissed, but come on. Act like it's not the worst thing you've ever seen on the job, even it if is.

Now let's check the thread and see how I did!


In the words of Meatloaf "Two out of Three ain't bad"

#2 - Manager wasn't an asshole. Didn't even care or notice the Off-Duty Police Officers until a patron of the establishment mentioned to the manager that the individuals at the table had guns.

The manager was responding to another customers concern.
 
2013-01-03 12:18:56 PM  
:Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

You know how I found out about cops? That would be when the local cops came to arrest my ex for a domestic violence incident--pretty hard to deny it happened, since it was the middle of the day, the middle of town, and three different people called 911 to report that he was beating on me--and instead of arresting him, they didn't even fill out an incident report. They didn't talk to me at all. When I went to court later and got a restraining order, I discovered that there was NO record of anything happening. This was important, since we were in the middle of a divorce and custody battle. Even after I got the restraining order, the cops didn't serve him with it for almost a week, even though we lived in a town of 1000 people.

During my divorce, the judge decided that with no record of my claimed domestic violence (and that wasn't the only time, but it was the only time the police were involved), maybe I was a vindictive ex, and for that, maybe Dad should have custody. Our son lived in terror with his Dad for the next 10 years, since he'd witnessed all the times Dad came after me. He developed PTSD and severe depression, which he didn't get over until he came to live with me---after many years in court, and many thousands of dollars in legal fees. All because the local cops didn't want to slap a domestic violence charge on a "good ol' boy", because he'd lose his guns--the same guns that he used to carry around in his car while he stalked me.

When I complained to cops about their treatment and dereliction of duty, they decided that the best way to shut me up was to try to get me fired from my job, threaten to have my dog put down, and spread a bunch of rumors about me and everyone I knew. Long story short--they drove me out of town. I heard from the clerk of court there (who, in addition to having the best gossip about legal things, was also married to one of the cops), that domestic violence incidents were often treated that way around there. What was anybody going to do? If the cops blew you off, that was the end of it. The social worker there left in disgust after seeing them in action for a few years.

I can't get near a cop today without trembling. I wouldn't trust one of them to help me look up my driving record. They're a bunch of small-dicked frat boys who use their power to create of club of people who are either "in" with them, or not. And if you're not on the right side of them, you can forget ever getting any kind of just treatment, no matter what the hell happened to you.

fark em all, in case I'm not being clear enough. That wasn't one cop, either--that was the entire police force of the town I lived in. They paid attention to the things they wanted to pay attention to, and the rest of it they ignored. And oh, the stories the clerk of court told me. Even though she was married to the most senior cop there, she couldn't make them sound good. But she stayed, because she was poor and very dependent on the cop who--I know this will shock you--was very abusive of her too. She was just thankful that he'd quit bringing his girlfriends to the same restaurant that they ate at regularly.
 
2013-01-03 12:20:41 PM  
While there is a Belleville, MO, this story is from a St. Louis TV station and the Belleville in the St. Louis area is in Illinois.

Belleville, MO, is across the state from St. Louis.
 
2013-01-03 12:30:07 PM  

Masta Kronix: Zarquon's Flat Tire: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

Well then your part of the problem.

World doesn't revolve around you and asking someone to please secure their gun in their vehicle because it's making other patrons nervous isn't an unreasonable request.

Your being unreasonable by trying to hurt their business in retribution for your getting butt hurt at them asking you not to carry a deadly weapon on your person while dining in their establishment because it's making other patrons nervous.


And yet I bet at some point during the meal the server will hand me a knife.


Some hysterical customer overrected, the manager made a poor judgment call. I'm free to not frequent any dining establishment, and I am also free to tell people about shiatty service.

Not saying I'd bring it up every time someone suggests getting dinner, but I've mentioned having to wait 45 minutes for a cold sandwich.
 
2013-01-03 12:30:27 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?


jedikinkoid: Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.


I think this is a valid point. I also will say I didn't like the comment by the police chief that this incident was "a slap in the face" and "disrespectful" because I found it to stink too much of the "how DARE you!" tone. A smarter or more reasoned response would be "I think there was a misunderstanding, and to avoid anything like that in the future we've decided to make locations such as the Dennys off limits to officers while on duty, unless responding to a call."
 
2013-01-03 12:36:41 PM  
Just another quick thought...who the hell starts a beef with five armed men in east St. Louis, anyway?
 
2013-01-03 12:38:50 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: s


A knife is a tool for cutting and can also be used as a deadly instrument however it does require the attacker to get relatively close to you and allows for the victim, to at least to some degree, defend themselves from the object.

A guns only purpose is to kill. You also don't have to get all that close with a gun and the only defense you have against it is body armor, that's if they don't shoot you in the head.

Guns can kill people faster and much easier than a knife and also aren't required while eating a meal.

Complaining about a cold sandwich is different than complaining about an establishment not allowing deadly weapons on customers person.

One is complaining about the actual product they are serving you the other is complaining about something that YOU just don't agree with.

Hence the world doesn't revolve around you and your being unreasonable for complaining about a policy that has nothing to do with you and everything to do with the business and establishment setting forth rules to ensure the safety and comfort of their patrons.

Quit being so disingenuous towards the discussion.
 
Ehh
2013-01-03 12:39:02 PM  

freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.


Sunset and Gower in Hollywood (the neighborhood). Always good for a scare after the bars close. There's also the one by the freeway. Freaky deaky!
 
2013-01-03 12:40:55 PM  

WinoRhino: More_Like_A_Stain: So who do you think alerted the media? Was it either of the managers? The nervous customer? Maybe it was Denny's corporate office? Or was it the police themselves that created a "continued stir"?

jedikinkoid: Was his doing so justified by the perceived slight? YMMV. But if nothing else, he was exhibiting a mild form of what the "cop-haters" are accusing all/most cops of: Using his position to take out his frustration on those who he didn't feel gave the police enough respect.

I think this is a valid point. I also will say I didn't like the comment by the police chief that this incident was "a slap in the face" and "disrespectful" because I found it to stink too much of the "how DARE you!" tone. A smarter or more reasoned response would be "I think there was a misunderstanding, and to avoid anything like that in the future we've decided to make locations such as the Dennys off limits to officers while on duty, unless responding to a call."


Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

How about this, all Off-Duty Police Officers are to obey private establishments rules and regulations while Off-Duty.

What's so hard about that?
 
2013-01-03 12:42:06 PM  
Kind of an interesting dynamic in this thread. Unusually (relatively) civil for a gun thread.

I think I know what the blockage in our internet hate-tubes is. Many Farkers are anti-gun but pro-police. (I'm one of them--favorite me as "fascist bootlicking pussy" today!) Many other Farkers, probably a lot more, are pro-gun but HURRRR FARKING PIGS THEY'RE THE REAL CRIMINALS. Only a few are openly pro-both, which is what you'd need to be to REALLY tee off on this thread, and by themselves they can't achieve the critical mass needed for the thread to go nuclear.

What we really need is a story about five cops who meekly allowed themselves to be disarmed, then the Denny's got robbed, but then the robbers were cut down in a hail of perfectly aimed bullets from the other fifty private citizens in the joint, all of whom had told the punk-ass manager to go fark himself. Now THAT will be an epic thread. And if Fark has taught me anything about law enforcement and private gun ownership, it's that those kinds of things happen all the time!
 
2013-01-03 12:43:19 PM  
No guns should mean NO GUNS!!!

We need to end ALL police exemptions in regards to firearms laws. They are no better then the average person. In fact, they generally shoot far WORSE then the average Joe.

I actually saw one of them in Church last Sunday. Farking disgusting.
 
2013-01-03 12:44:47 PM  

algrant33: MycroftHolmes: algrant33: WinoRhino: MycroftHolmes: here to help: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

Yup. Worship us or we will exact revenge.
I don't hate all cops but quite a few sure make it hard to like them.

So, you are asked to leave. You point out very reasonably why your behavior (carrying a firearm) is not inappropriate. You are rebuffed. All this is in public. If this had happened to me, I sure as heck would have left. You clearly have an issue with police.

This. No one arguing against the cops in this thread seems to want to acknowledge the following:
1. It is legal for ANY citizen in Montana to carry a firearm in the open.
2. Denny's policy was to ALLOW police to carry guns in their establishment. The first manager didn't know that. The second one did.
3. The cops left voluntarily even when told they didn't have to. Probably because they exercised good judgement and said , "Enough of a scene has been made, let's just leave."

All you have is automatic police hating people giving their knee-jerk reactions in this thread. No amount of facts will change their prejudiced and ignorant opinions because they all heard of stories from friends of friends of friends that some cop somewhere once acted like an authoritarian jerk.

THIS ISN'T IN FARKING MONTANA... IT'S IN EAST ST. LOUIS, ILLINOIS.

How the HELL did you come up with Montana?

I am confused. I could see how Wino confused MO with Montanna, but how did you get East St. Louis, Illinois out of Belleville, MO, or is there a joke I am missing?

It's Bellevue, IL, which is the next town into IL on I-64.

/former local


Montana is awesome, though. It's the only place I ever got out of a speeding ticket by telling the cop I had a CCW and was carrying.
 
2013-01-03 12:46:28 PM  

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.


FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 12:47:18 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I am sure they were actually there investigating the Tuesday Meatloaf surprise for crimes against humanity.


meatloaf surprise is a crime against humanity.
 
2013-01-03 12:48:50 PM  

NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.


If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?
 
2013-01-03 12:49:53 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.


I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.
 
2013-01-03 12:50:41 PM  

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.


FTFA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.
 
2013-01-03 12:53:20 PM  

Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.


Yes, it does.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers


No, they weren't. FTFA: "Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives..."

who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous. How about this, all Off-Duty Police Officers are to obey private establishments rules and regulations while Off-Duty. What's so hard about that?


Nothing. They obeyed the rules even though they were on duty by leaving.

Cops take lunch breaks, but they don't stop being on-duty cops for those 45 minutes. They tell the dispatcher where they're eating lunch precisely so that they can be dispatched to the armed robbery happening across the street (but not for the kitten-in-a-tree kind of thing, until after lunch).

Everybody comes off looking like a bit of jerk here. The manager for inventing Denny's policy, and the police chief for his hurt fee-fees stunt afterwards. It's half a loaf of cop-hate--don't get greedy.
 
2013-01-03 12:53:31 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?


Yes, a cop can be on-duty and eating at a Denny's. This is not rocket science. A cop does not go "off-duty" when he goes to take a dump or eat.
 
2013-01-03 12:54:24 PM  

CheekyMonkey: MycroftHolmes: WinoRhino: Latinwolf: Most black people who hate cops do so because they had a negative interaction with them or witnessed someone being abused. Most white people that hate cops do so because they got a traffic ticket. Note that none of the worst cop haters on Fark ever give an account of their actual interactions with a cop. And this on a site where people often post personal accounts to prove their point.

My personal experience:
Once at a nightclub an officer dragged me out of the bathroom using his mag-light around my neck. There's some back-story to it, but the short story is the previous week there had been a shooting in there and the circumstances at the time of my incident closely mirrored those of the previous week. After speaking with the officer, it was straightened out and all was cool. I had one other similar experience. But both times rather than thinking the cop was intentionally singling me out to use as an example, or trying to assert excessive force to get his kicks, I looked at the situation and put myself in his shoes, and could see why he did what he did. And in both cases after speaking with the officer about it calmly, things worked out just fine (including the first situation when I was most certainly in the wrong.) My brother got arrested one time for driving on a suspended license, with no insurance, expired tags, and expired inspection sticker. When I bailed him out at 3am all he would do is talk about how this particular cop knew him from his high school days and was "out to get him." It had nothing to do with the red light he ran to get the cop's attention, or the list of other issues with the car and his license status. So when I read other people complaining about cops, I just hear my brother's voice and mostly brush it off. Not that all people in positions of authority are good. I just find it funny that all police officers are assholes and all firemen are model citizens.

My brother was hanging out with his buddies, drinking beer and ...

Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are lying bullies.

Ever have a cop pull you over for a taillight out, and then give you several field sobriety tests because he claimed to "smell alcohol" when no one in the car had been drinking? I have, twice. Yes, of course I passed all the waste-my-time tests, BECAUSE I HAD NOT BEEN DRINKING. No, I no longer drive through Mendham NJ at night, because the cops are assholes, with nothing better to do than harass people.

Ever had a cop harass you by claiming he saw you talking on a cell phone while driving WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A CELL PHONE? I have. That one shut up when I offered him the chance to search my car and my person and ticket me if he found a cell phone, but that I would be contacting his supervisor if he did not.


Did you have a tail light out?
 
2013-01-03 12:54:32 PM  
Local citizens like Jennifer Veri support the police, Veri said, "You want them to be with their guns that makes them cops so they can protect the public."

And here we see the opinion of the local day care students. Next, we'll see Veri's crayon drawings and put them on the refrigerator.
 
2013-01-03 01:00:29 PM  

here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.


No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.
 
2013-01-03 01:02:12 PM  

Masta Kronix: I agree with you, despite my posting examples of the "bad brother" variety of anecdotes. My main intention was to say when I hear about an "incident" with the cops, I don't immediately leap to the conclusion that the cop was bad or the suspect was wrong. And in this particular case, I don't see how anyone who assesses situations fairly can come out against the cops after understanding the details. A customer complained they had guns. Maybe the customer didn't know they were cops because they were in plain clothes. They did have badges though. A manager asked them to leave, not understanding the policy at the Denny's. A second manager intervened and said there was no need to leave. The cops decided it was already an issue and they should probably just go rather than have some sort of protracted discussion on it. The police chief then tells his cops "Hey, look, let's just not go into the Denny's any longer when on duty, okay?" I mean, how much more reasonable can a situation get?

But that's not what happened if you read the article.

Patron of Denny's noticed people at a table with guns, told a manager.

Manager told patrons with guns they were not allowed to have fire arms while dining in Denny's.

Patrons informed manager they were off-duty police officers.

Manager then asks them to please secure them in their vehicles then because they don't allow firearms in the establishment.

Instead of politely complying and understanding the request Police Officers refused to secure their firearms and instead walked out even after another manager apologized for the incident and told them they could stay.

Now after Denny's themselves released an official statement saying it was a misunderstanding, the Police Chief is still making a big deal out of it.

That's why people don't like cops. That entire incident could have been avoided if they just respected the Denny's wishes and just secure their guns in their cars but no, they couldn't be bothered to do that and now it's the restaurants fault for having the nerve to ask the OFF-DUTY Police Officers to please secure their guns in their vehicles because it was making other patrons nervous.


Except they were ON DUTY detectives.
 
2013-01-03 01:05:55 PM  

here to help: Captain Sax said, "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

You keep believing that, Captain Oinkers.

Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs at bars. Gangbangers are more well behaved.


I've never known anybody that didn't want a hole in they butt. Its absolutely what they want.
 
2013-01-03 01:06:38 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?


Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.
 
2013-01-03 01:07:36 PM  

semiotix: Everybody comes off looking like a bit of jerk here. The manager for inventing Denny's policy, and the police chief for his hurt fee-fees stunt afterwards. It's half a loaf of cop-hate--don't get greedy.


Actually, the manager wasn't inventing policy. (2010 story: "WTOC contacted Denny's, who told us their policy is not to allow conspicuous weapons.")

But as reasons for cop-hate goes, I'd agree that this one isn't exactly compelling.
 
2013-01-03 01:09:13 PM  

JSam21: here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.

No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.


Did you not read Zarquon's post? He stated that he was neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder. He would just pitch a hissy fit if he was asked to comply with the rules of the establishment. How would you be doing the business a favor by violating their rules?
 
2013-01-03 01:13:22 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: JSam21: here to help: Zarquon's Flat Tire: I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

So basically you are a self absorbed whiner who thinks everyone around you should back you up on every petty little beef you have?

You must be a pleasure to be around.

No you're doing the business a favor. The people I would tell would also be carrying their firearms while on duty.

Did you not read Zarquon's post? He stated that he was neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder. He would just pitch a hissy fit if he was asked to comply with the rules of the establishment. How would you be doing the business a favor by violating their rules?


I shouldn't have replied using that post. My apologies
 
2013-01-03 01:17:38 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.


...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.
 
2013-01-03 01:18:40 PM  

JSam21: More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?

Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.


Times have changed. When my dad was a cop, he absolutely was considered out of service when he was on lunch break. That's not to say that he couldn't be back in service at a moments notice by either a call or observation of events immediately around him. Just that for those few minutes, in terms of his responsibility to observe and obey "the rules" (no turning on the red lights and siren to avoid the traffic light, no immediately going to the head of the line, that sort of thing), he was a civilian. Of course, back in that time and place, stated policies of no weapons on premises weren't really a thing.
 
2013-01-03 01:18:57 PM  

ongbok: FTA
Sax said the police had their badges in full view, either by their handguns or they were wearing them around their necks. Plus, portable police radios were on the table.

I bet you this was an attention whore customer that reported this and went into a fake panic attack because of the gun, despite badges and service radios being in full view, and the first manager was just trying to calm everything down by telling the cops to put their guns in the car or leave, when he should have told the customer that they were cops and to STFU or leave.


Cue Gus Fring:

i.imgur.com
"Excuse me gentlemen. Our establishment welcomes to off-duty service men and women, who enjoy 50% off their meal and free non-alcoholic beverages, however firearms and police radios make the other customers nervous. I must therefor respectfully ask you to return when you are not on duty."
 
2013-01-03 01:20:45 PM  

Nacc: I've never known anybody that didn't want a hole in they butt. Its absolutely what they want.


but... I need the hole in my butt.

I poop from there!

:-\
 
2013-01-03 01:24:11 PM  

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


This post is far to logical for this wharrgarble thread and for Fark as a whole.
 
2013-01-03 01:26:12 PM  

WinoRhino: CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.

I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.


First of all, in ALL interactions with police officers, I'm unfailingly polite and respectful, and treat them as if they are better than I, as that's what their bully mentality requires: a subservient attitude.

Second of all, in both scenarios I posted, the cops outright lied.

During the broken taillight stops, the cops lied, saying they "smelled alcohol" when none was present, and no one in the vehicle had been drinking. It was just a bullshiat power trip. I don't have an issue with being pulled over for a broken taillight. Alert me to the fact that it's out, and I'll thank you and replace the bulb the next day. Just because I happen to be driving home at 11:30 at night is not probably cause to suspect I'm drinking and driving, and certainly no reason to lie about smelling alcohol. I wasn't speeding or swerving or anything out of the ordinary. Just driving through his podunk town at the 25MPH speed limit, and he had nothing better to do than fark with me. In neither of the field sobriety instances was I anything but polite - I did the requested tricks, so I could go home and go to sleep without any more bullshiat.

During the other instance, I was pulled over for coasting through a stop sign in a parking lot. I was guilty, I wasn't going to complain. Then the cop accuses me of talking on a cell phone. At the time, I did not own a cell phone, so I tell him that. He insists he saw me. Since I know I don't have one, and that he's lying, NOW I'm getting annoyed, so I make the offer for him to search me and my car, and he backs down from his lie.

Face it - many cops are on a power trip, and will lie to your face in order to see if they can dig up some dirt.
 
2013-01-03 01:28:18 PM  

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


It was a slow news day in St.Louis.
 
2013-01-03 01:32:29 PM  

CheekyMonkey: WinoRhino: CheekyMonkey: Bullshiat. People dislike cops because they are have a perception of them being lying bullies.

I fail to see cause for alarm in either of your tales of woe involving cops. So, was the cop wrong for pulling you over for the broken tail light? What makes him a liar there? I suppose you'll say the broken tail light was just an excuse to pull you over? Fine, but it's within the scope of his duties to do that. While he has you pulled over and suspects you were drinking, is he wrong to put you through a test to be sure? And when you passed, he let you go without any incident, right? So he wasn't trying to bust you kicks right, because he would have found some other reason to do so. Sounds reasonable to me. Seems like you were just put-out and upset because someone was showing they had authority over you in a certain situation and the silver hair on your back got ruffled by it.

I was pulled over twice and given field sobriety tests. Once when I had been drinking, another when I hadn't. I passed both times and it didn't bother me at all. Because while I wasn't a danger, someone else is. Cops don't have special vision that identifies the real problem people. They have to go on judgement. In most cases I find officers to be rather nice and obliging when you give them that little bit of slack. The only time I hear about them getting nasty in all my interactions is when someone gives them shiat for doing what they're supposed to be doing. Once of the times mentioned above he found out my tags were expired and couldn't let me drive the car from the scene. They towed it and he gave me a ride home, which he doesn't have to do. But because I was cooperative and the interaction was generally pleasant he, in turn, was being pleasant. I picture you in your interaction arguing with the cop the whole time saying you hadn't had anything to drink and wanted his badge number and chief's name.

First of all, in ALL interactions with police officers, I'm unfailingly polite and respectful, and treat them as if they are better than I, as that's what their bully mentality requires: a subservient attitude.

Second of all, in both scenarios I posted, the cops outright lied.

During the broken taillight stops, the cops lied, saying they "smelled alcohol" when none was present, and no one in the vehicle had been drinking. It was just a bullshiat power trip. I don't have an issue with being pulled over for a broken taillight. Alert me to the fact that it's out, and I'll thank you and replace the bulb the next day. Just because I happen to be driving home at 11:30 at night is not probably cause to suspect I'm drinking and driving, and certainly no reason to lie about smelling alcohol. I wasn't speeding or swerving or anything out of the ordinary. Just driving through his podunk town at the 25MPH speed limit, and he had nothing better to do than fark with me. In neither of the field sobriety instances was I anything but polite - I did the requested tricks, so I could go home and go to sleep without any more bullshiat.

During the other instance, I was pulled over for coasting through a stop sign in a parking lot. I was guilty, I wasn't going to complain. Then the cop accuses me of talking on a cell phone. At the time, I did not own a cell phone, so I tell him that. He insists he saw me. Since I know I don't have one, and that he's lying, NOW I'm getting annoyed, so I make the offer for him to search me and my car, and he backs down from his lie.

Face it - many cops are on a power trip, and will lie to your face in order to see if they can dig up some dirt.


Oh now the story changes on the second story. At first you stated that he pulled you over for being on a cell phone, now you state that you ran a stop sign. Most likely looking down at your radio, who's glow might have lit up your face like a cell phone?
 
2013-01-03 01:33:02 PM  

JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."


www.phillshaw.co.uk

Squad Leader: Simon Phoenix! Lie down with your hands behind your back.
Simon Phoenix: What's this? Six of you. Such nice, tidy uniforms. Oh I'm so scared!
[the Police Officers look at each other]
Simon Phoenix: What you guys don't have sarcasm anymore?
[Police Officer talks to his automated assistant]
Squad Leader: Maniac has responded with a scornful remark.
automated assistant: Approach, and repeat ultimatum in an even firmer tone of voice. Add the words, "or else".
 
2013-01-03 01:37:27 PM  
FYI, I'm a resident of Belleville.

IL doesn't have have a CCW yet...also this particular Denny's is on the ball for breakfast, dinner not so much.
 
2013-01-03 01:38:43 PM  
So are these officers banned from entering a jail or other facility where they are not allowed weapons?

This article is douchefest 2013.
 
2013-01-03 01:38:52 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: JSam21: More_Like_A_Stain: NightOwl2255: Masta Kronix: Except this has nothing to do with Police Officers while on Duty.

These were Off-Duty Police Officers who were asked to secure their weapons in their vehicle because those weapons were making another patron nervous.

FTA: Five on-duty but out of uniform detectives were in the middle of their meal at the Denny's.

If they were on their lunch break, they were off duty. If they were on duty, wtf were they doing ordering meals at Denny's?

Because when you are on duty, you are on duty until you clock out for the day. You are available for calls at anytime during your on duty time. You don't get to call out of service for lunch.

Times have changed. When my dad was a cop, he absolutely was considered out of service when he was on lunch break. That's not to say that he couldn't be back in service at a moments notice by either a call or observation of events immediately around him. Just that for those few minutes, in terms of his responsibility to observe and obey "the rules" (no turning on the red lights and siren to avoid the traffic light, no immediately going to the head of the line, that sort of thing), he was a civilian. Of course, back in that time and place, stated policies of no weapons on premises weren't really a thing.


Well yes times have changed. My father was also a police officer. I'm a public safety officer for a major hospital. I don't get paid for roll call but am expected to respond to emergency calls at any time while I'm on duty, even if I'm on a lunch break. I'm friends with many police officers and out of service lunches are a thing of the past
 
2013-01-03 02:24:35 PM  
Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:35 PM  

jakrabit: Tomorrows Headline will probably "Denny's that kicked out police was robbed today"


Nah, it will just be "Denny's manager commits suicide by shooting self in back seventeen times with police issue handgun and crawling into ditch before expiring."
 
2013-01-03 02:37:32 PM  

Electromax: Zarquon's Flat Tire:
I'm neither a cop nor a CCW permit holder, but I don't care what the second manager says, I would leave and never spend my money there again. I would also tell everone I know not to eat there and make it clear it was due to the actions of the first manager, who I would mention by name.

...a position which probably has a 6 month turnover in general? I mean, makes no difference to me, but if someone I know says "I WILL NEVER EAT HERE AGAIN because Bill the manager was rude to me in 1998" that doesn't really make sense, some night manager doesn't run the place/hire new workers/dictate the policy.

You even say you don't care what the second manager says, what if the first manager was fired the next day? There's literally no way to redeem the business in your eyes, once the first manager has sullied it for eternity? Just seems like a lot of effort for an incident basically inconsequential to the chain as a whole. Obviously you can choose to eat there or not, but if you like a restaurant it seems weird to decide never to return because they once employed someone you didn't like.

I dunno, I get slighted in public by employees and just citizens in general, as does everyone. I don't care enough to then alert everyone I know that someone there was an asshole (mostly because I don't want them telling me when people were rude to them). He's just some dude who happened to be there at the time. If waiters are rude to you at other places, eventually you'll run out of places to eat.

Agree with others that I don't know why this is news, but I am surprised it's caused such vigorous and angry discussion on both sides. Guns/cops have been an auto-300 comment topic lately, with a lot of the same people making a lot of the same points in every one. Guess it shows how much all of the carefully constructed arguments are(n't) changing Farkers' opinions. Just like all internet arguments, I guess.


Ok, I'll admit I may have indulged in a bit of hyperbole, possibly the first time that's ever happened on the internet. But while some people in this thread seem to see this as a group of thugs who didn't want to be parted from their murder-machines for 20 minutes, I see it more as though the manager walked up to an on-call heart surgeon and said "The man in the booth behind you is allergic to electronic transmissions, please take your phone/pager and put them in our car".

I do not know if Denny's has a no weapons policy, or this particular franchise does. If so, the cops shouldn't have gone there to eat in the first place.

But if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a pacifist, and your pea-coat reminds her that our nation has a standing navy, please take it outside" then I'm leaving, and yes I regale my friends with the tale of such asshattery.
 
2013-01-03 02:42:32 PM  

HindiDiscoMonster: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: freetomato: I used to be a graveyard shift waitress at the 2nd busiest (at the time) Denny's in CA back when I was a youngun.  It was a veritable freakshow between 2 am and 7 am.  I can tell some seriously nightmarish customer stories.  I used to love when the cops came in.  If they were still there when I got off my shift, they'd walk me to my car to make sure I got there safely.  Good tippers too.

There is a Waffle House here that is like that. I stop in once in awhile around 3-4am, it looks like the Afterlife Waiting Room from Beetlejuice.

It is


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-03 02:44:01 PM  

yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.


No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.
 
2013-01-03 02:47:28 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: But if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a pacifist, and your pea-coat reminds her that our nation has a standing navy, please take it outside" then I'm leaving,


Likewise, if I'm trying to have dinner and the staff tells me "The customer across the room is a peacock, and your bald head reminds her that our nation has an affinity for omelettes, please take it outside" then I'm outa there too. But neither of these scenarios has a strong similarity to the events as reported.
 
2013-01-03 02:49:23 PM  
And armed gang is an armed gang no matter what costume you dress them in.
 
2013-01-03 02:51:05 PM  

I_C_Weener: DECMATH: here to help: Cops are terrible customers... especially in packs

After RTFA your comment seems most appropriate. The first employee asked them to take their weapons outside before knowing they were police. Second employee tried to make amends, but the detectives decided to be dicks about it.

In my experience, dicks tend to seek out jobs that allow them to be dicks.  Being a dick makes you a good cop...not a good person.


My theory on small town cops are there are two kinds.

1. The person that got bullied and pushed around all the time growing up and wants a job that allows them to exact revenge on everyone they come into contact with.
2. The bully that acted like a worthless prick to everyone his or her whole life and became a cop because they already have years of experience at it.
 
2013-01-03 02:54:34 PM  

browneye

The biggest shock of all is that all five of these men thought it was a good idea to eat at a Denny's
They're cops. We aren't talking about a think tank here.
I'd bet good money their collective IQ is below the caliber of any single gun they carried.
 
2013-01-03 02:54:39 PM  

UseLessHuman: And armed gang is an armed gang no matter what costume you dress them in.


Did you do the, 'blows on fingernails then buffs them on shirt' thing after that, or did you go full 'drops the mic'?
 
2013-01-03 02:57:21 PM  

JSam21: yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.

No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.


A customer expressed concern over something that was not fully understood. A junior level member of management, while technically correct, mishandled the situation. Two increasingly senior levels of management agreed that an exception to the rule was in order, and apologized for the misunderstanding. Five public servants copped an attitude and a police chief complained to the media. Story hit the interweb. Panties were irrigated. That's all this is.
 
2013-01-03 03:03:38 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: A customer expressed concern over something that was not fully understood. A junior level member of management, while technically correct, mishandled the situation. Two increasingly senior levels of management agreed that an exception to the rule was in order, and apologized for the misunderstanding. Five public servants copped an attitude and a police chief complained to the media. Story hit the interweb. Panties were irrigated. That's all this is.


A customer expressed concern. The manager approached with concern. The five individuals explained the situation. The manager, against company policy, insisted with a course of action that is not considered appropriate for on duty cops. The cops left. The police chief, possibly concerned with other staff having issues with on duty cops wearing firearms, has told his staff not to eat there. None of this sounds like an over reaction or inappropriate. I like to eat at places where I feel comfortable and don't have to worry.

I will agree that if the Chief went to the media, he was probably over reacting, but there is no indication as to who contacted the media. It sounds like it went viral via social media.
 
2013-01-03 03:09:02 PM  

here to help: Oh, man... I missed this part.

Captain Sax added, "They had been harassed enough they have been embarrassed more than enough."

You poor delicate snowflake. lol

DrPainMD: When you realize that the "good cops" never arrest the bad cops, you'll learn to hate all of them.

Yeah, I know. I just try not to completely generalize them because I think it's best not to ostracize the "good" ones to the point they are even MORE unlikely to do something about the arseholes.

But your statement is kind of how I view moderate religious folk. They scream and squawk about how it's unfair they get lumped in with the hate mongering whackadoodles yet they continue to feed money and resources into a system that enables that type of behavior and don't actually DO anything to stop said whackadoodles. It's like they approve of their behavior but are too pussy sh*t to own up to it.


Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.
 
2013-01-03 03:18:57 PM  

FTDA: Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.


Good. Christianity needs more like you. That goes for all religions. Particularly the uber violent ones.

Best of luck to ya.
 
2013-01-03 03:20:28 PM  

varmitydog: I have noticed that also, that when a group of uniformed cops go into a place with open seating that nobody goes and sits near them, and sometimes people will even switch seats to sit away from them. Sometimes in a big place with sections they will be the only ones sitting in that section. It's never bothered me, in fact sometimes I go sit near them because it's less crowded. Never have had a lick of problems with them, not that I can recall.

It might be because I have relatives who are in the police (in other states) and have long since considered them to just be working joes. Or it might be because I strive to be "a southern gentleman" and always have good manners.

/Come to think of it, the last couple of times I got pulled over for a traffic ticket the cops let me go with a warning too. Knock wood.


Did you just admit on Fark to, "flailing your shillelagh?
 
2013-01-03 03:41:27 PM  

here to help: FTDA: Not true for all of us. I'm a Non Denominational Christian and have shut down any and all bullcrap that I see from the hardline hate mongering nutjob wannabe Christians every time it's happened in my presence because they are false Christians and I let them know it. If they don't like it, well fark them. Their reading comprehension of the Bible is severely lacking as is their cognitive ability to think for themselves.

Good. Christianity needs more like you. That goes for all religions. Particularly the uber violent ones.

Best of luck to ya.


The world could use a lot more peace and kindness.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors as well!
 
2013-01-03 04:00:22 PM  

FTDA: The world could use a lot more peace and kindness.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors as well!


Thank you.

See this folks?!

Now THAT is the way your Christ wanted you to behave.

I'm not a Christian but Jesus sounds like the type of dude I would totally hang with.

Be more like Jesus.... 'cause you know, that's kind of the freaking point of Christianity.
 
2013-01-03 04:31:07 PM  

fireclown: Were the officers black?


No. But I bet their guns were.
 
2013-01-03 06:53:11 PM  

a_feral_duck: I'd call Belleville a shiathole, but that would be unfair to outhouses.


It's not that bad there.

I mean it's not that good either but still...
 
2013-01-03 09:01:05 PM  

JackieRabbit: Fat-D: JackieRabbit: Denny's: "Hello, Police? We have an armed robbery in progress! PLease come quickly!"

Police: "Yeah, about that... We're pretty backed up just now. We'll get there when we can. In the meantime, please tell the perps that guns are not allowed in Denny's. That's should take care of it."

Usually the first to jump on the Cop Hate thread band wagon....but WTF is wrong with the manager at that Denny`s......

They did them a favor, Denny`s suck,

The manager at Denny's is an idiot, that's the problem. All on-duty cops must carry a weapon and in most jurisdictions they must carry one when off-duty as well. The cops here were actually being nice. They could have arrested the manager for interfering with them while on duty. You simply cannot tell a cop to disarm him/herself.


Hopefully the cops were more educated than you are. Denny's has a right to refuse admittance to anyone for food service "police super citizen" or not. The correct response of an officer in this situation is to be mildly annoyed while recognizing the perfect legality of it, shrug their shoulders and go somewhere else.

If they are there for police reasons then the wishes of the management are trumped by the necessities of the duty. "Eating pancakes" is not an official police duty and thus denying that is not interfering with same.
 
2013-01-03 09:44:21 PM  

Frederf: The correct response of an officer in this situation is to be mildly annoyed while recognizing the perfect legality of it, shrug their shoulders and go somewhere else.


And that's what they did.
 
2013-01-03 09:49:52 PM  
The ban has been lifted
 
2013-01-03 11:06:05 PM  

JSam21: yesanded: Article: "The manager told the detective she would have to leave or secure the gun in her car, that guns are not allowed in Denny's." "...A second manager showed up and told the officers they could stay with their weapons. But, the detectives left anyway."

Headline: "Police Banned From Denny's For Guns"

Fox News Fans" We're OUTRAGED!!!


Aaaaaaaand the cycle is complete.

No... the Chief said that his officers can no longer go to that restaurant while on duty. The "outrage" is from the fact that this country has become so fearful of a single inanimate that people that have to wear said object while working are asked not to while at work.


No... The headline misrepresents and over-dramatizes the actual story. This is the standard MO for Fox "News".

To any reasonably intelligent person, this is an extremely uninteresting, unimportant story about a simple mis-communication between Denny's managers. But it's exactly the kind of story Fox stations thrive on because it has the right key words, and it's perfectly ripe for embellishment.

The End.
 
2013-01-04 12:29:13 AM  
"I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

How about fark YOU? Does fark YOU work out nicelt for you this fine evening? Because fark YOU, Batman hero.

Your presence only intimidates patrons, in exchange for statistically nugatory "security", you fatass retarded bullying self-satisfied thugs living off the public dime in a union-protected job from which you can never EVER be fired no matter HOW outrageous your felonies against those who will pay your lifelong pensions. So here's a heapin' helpin' of steamed dicks, lazy b*tch.


http://www.fark.com/topic/hero
 
2013-01-04 02:38:42 AM  
For the people who said the detectives were butt hurt, or being whatever, I can understand that sentiment, especially coming from people who aren't in the profession.  We used to have this upscale, snooty a** coffee/pastry shop in town that sent a letter to our police department saying that they no longer wanted our officers to visit their place of business because our guns made people "uncomfortable."  I didn't get butt hurt about that, because I never went there and didn't care to.

I do, however, get uncomfortable about restaurants that make a show of giving me a discount while working.  I don't ask for them, I don't expect them, in-fact, I typically tell the person that they don't need to give me one.  We've got an iHop where the one lady who works late nights always shouts to the manager about needing her code for the "cop discount."  This is while all the employees making minimum wage stocking shelves at the Wal-Mart and Meijer are in there eating too.  It's embarrassing.  To the point where I no longer eat there.  I'm no more deserving of a discount than anyone else, in my opinion.  I'll leave an extra large tip if I notice that somebody has discounted my food.

Now, I wouldn't want to sit in the Denny's either after a manager came over and tried to pull that.  It would have made me feel uncomfortable at the time, and probably would have drawn attention to me as I tried to enjoy a meal.  I would probably have politely asked for my check and left.

The chief continuing to fan the flames is ridiculous.  The one manager corrected the more junior manager.  There's no reason for the police chief to continue with it.  That to me, is taking it too far.  I can absolutely see why the officers left though.
 
2013-01-04 07:04:26 AM  

BuckTurgidson: "I've never known anybody that didn't want a police officer present in an establishment in a business it's added security it's absolutely what they want."

How about fark YOU? Does fark YOU work out nicelt for you this fine evening? Because fark YOU, Batman hero.

Your presence only intimidates patrons, in exchange for statistically nugatory "security", you fatass retarded bullying self-satisfied thugs living off the public dime in a union-protected job from which you can never EVER be fired no matter HOW outrageous your felonies against those who will pay your lifelong pensions. So here's a heapin' helpin' of steamed dicks, lazy b*tch.


http://www.fark.com/topic/hero


Haha... someone sounds angry. You mad bro?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-04 12:24:25 PM  

MycroftHolmes: People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.


People dislike police because there are many unfortunate examples/instances where they abuse their authority, disregard their defined boundaries, and use the system to avoid being held to their accountability.
One could say "the bad cop is few and far between", but increasingly it is not just the "bad cop" that is the problem, but also their fellow cops that fail to help hold them to account (at best) or aid and abet their actions through deliberate actions of their own.
 
2013-01-04 03:29:14 PM  

gja: MycroftHolmes: People hate cops because they represent 1) accountability, 2) authority, and 3) boundaries. Sadly, a lot of people were raised with the idea that all three of those are bad.

People dislike police because there are many unfortunate examples/instances where they abuse their authority, disregard their defined boundaries, and use the system to avoid being held to their accountability.
One could say "the bad cop is few and far between", but increasingly it is not just the "bad cop" that is the problem, but also their fellow cops that fail to help hold them to account (at best) or aid and abet their actions through deliberate actions of their own.


We will have to agree to disagree on this one. While a small percentage of people have actually been materially affected by the abuses you reference, the vast majority of them use them, in the abstract, as justification for why they hate police. I know it is only anecdotal, but the majority of the justifications come in as

1. I had something happen to me, and the cops didn't make a big deal about it (usually a car or house break in, where the police are aware that the odds of ever catching the individual or recovering the stolen goods is zero)
2. I did something illegal(speeding, drinking, etc) and the cops were jerks
3. I had an interaction with a cop where I was doing nothing wrong, and he was a power tripping jerk (usually, this story involves cops trying to control and assess a situation, and the story teller did nothing wrong, but belligerently expects the cop to know that)

I could go on. The underlying theme is that cops represent the knowledge that we aren't as special as we thought, rules do apply to us, and we will be held accountable for our actions. This rankles people at a deep level. Note that anyone, like myself, who argues the cops side is usually called a badge licker or a sheeple, implying a negative value to complying with authority.

I know I speak in universals, and there is no way to characterize all cop haters (or cop supporters). I know there are plenty of people who prove my stereotype wrong. I am just speaking for the majority of cop haters that I have met or interacted with. Your mileage may vary
 
2013-01-05 12:49:15 AM  

JSam21: You mad bro?


Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.
 
2013-01-05 01:43:57 AM  

BuckTurgidson: JSam21: You mad bro?

Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.


So you hate evryone that works for the government or just those that enforce rules?
 
2013-01-05 02:14:12 AM  

JSam21: BuckTurgidson: JSam21: You mad bro?

Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.

So you hate evryone that works for the government or just those that enforce rules?


You drunk bro?
 
2013-01-05 02:19:51 AM  

BuckTurgidson: JSam21: BuckTurgidson: JSam21: You mad bro?

Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.

So you hate evryone that works for the government or just those that enforce rules?

You drunk bro?


No... unless I mistook your use of the hero tag. Who do you have to pay for?
 
2013-01-05 02:25:09 AM  

JSam21: Who do you have to pay for?


Wat?
 
2013-01-05 02:25:56 AM  

BuckTurgidson: JSam21: BuckTurgidson: JSam21: You mad bro?

Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.

So you hate evryone that works for the government or just those that enforce rules?

You drunk bro?


Because to me it sounded like your rant that is quoted above is hate on police, as well as anyone else that works for the government. So I'm asking if it is just direced at the police or is it also directed at fire fighters and ems personnel also?
 
2013-01-05 02:31:27 AM  

BuckTurgidson: JSam21: Who do you have to pay for?

Wat?


"Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her."

Who do you have to pay for? Are you drunk?
 
2013-01-05 02:38:56 AM  

JSam21: BuckTurgidson: JSam21: BuckTurgidson: JSam21: You mad bro?

Yeah, kinda, because I have to pay this useless idiot b*tch and others like her.

So you hate evryone that works for the government or just those that enforce rules?

You drunk bro?

Because to me it sounded like your rant that is quoted above is hate on police, as well as anyone else that works for the government. So I'm asking if it is just direced at the police or is it also directed at fire fighters and ems personnel also?


Go easy, friend, there's no fight here. It's late and I asked if you're drunk, which I am.

Anyway, I love cops and firefighters and EMTs and nurses and the folks at the DMV. No kidding, the DMV people in Denver are f*cking awesome - competent and knowlegable and efficient and friendly. You don't have to believe me, come to Five Points and renew your car tags plus get a duplicate title for your busted-ass motorcycle some Wednesday; took me 20 minutes.

Every police officer in my city is an employee of me, and of every person they encounter, let alone arrest. Each one of them has a well-paid, passionately union-protected job from which he or she can virtually never, EVER, be fired regardless of the outrageousness he or she visits upon you and I, his or her employers.

All I ask is that they never forget that, not even for a moment.
 
2013-01-05 08:10:03 AM  

MycroftHolmes: I could go on. The underlying theme is that cops represent the knowledge that we aren't as special as we thought, rules do apply to us, and we will be held accountable for our actions. This rankles people at a deep level. Note that anyone, like myself, who argues the cops side is usually called a badge licker or a sheeple, implying a negative value to complying with authority.


Cops can ruin your life in seconds, just because they feel like it. Most won't, but pretty much every interaction is all downside, no upside for an average joe. It's not about "you're not the boss of me" so much as having everything to lose and nothing to gain. Sensible people comply with laws to minimize the interaction with police.
 
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