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2013-01-03 08:17:31 AM
Columnist is full of crap.

Nationwide, crime is down over the same period, last 20 years, that have had the violent video games and movies.

But it makes convenient scapegoat for elitist points of view that their art forms are superior.

The most violent pieces of work in our culture are the Torah, Bible and Koran.  Start there if you want to start banning works of fiction.
 
2013-01-03 08:57:18 AM
Save me from the naughty bits of the ladies, but not just yet Lord, just not yet.
 
2013-01-03 09:22:07 AM

still better than dirty, dirty naked boobies


You said "dirty" twice.
 
2013-01-03 09:25:51 AM
The violence is inherent in the system.  It's not going anywhere.
 
2013-01-03 09:27:03 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: still better than dirty, dirty naked boobies


You said "dirty" twice.


I really like 'em dirty...


waywardgraduate.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-03 10:25:20 AM
Imagine Aurora never happened, but instead a summer movie contained a scene of a gunman going into a movie theater and slaughtering people. What would be the public and the critical response to that?

Pretty good if I had to guess....

3.bp.blogspot.comi.ytimg.com
 
2013-01-03 10:37:04 AM
 And wow, I just got to this part of the article:


So what do we do? What can we do? Forget censorship. It's socially immoral. It doesn't work, and it makes for awful movies.


 ....


The public has a bigger role, and that's to insist that any movie with any violence at all - any shooting, stabbing, bombing or rape - gets an R rating. If enforced, this would reduce the violence in PG-13 movies and prevent some violent films from getting made. At the same time, Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese will still be able to make their R-rated movies for an adult audience.


If raising violent films to an R-rating has no effect, and it might not, try NC-17.


So he says that censorship doesn't work, then advocates getting violent movies bumped to NC-17? I mean I'll be the first to admit the ratings system is farked and corrupt as hell, but everyone knows that slapping a movie with an NC-17 is basically a death warrant.  No major theater chain will show NC-17 movies.
 
2013-01-03 11:54:41 AM
FTA:  Likewise, critics need to let the public know, repeatedly and unrelentingly, each time the Motion Picture Association of America gives a PG-13 rating to celebrations of violence, such as "The Dark Knight Rises" and "Jack Reacher."

The "culture of violence" is a good discussion to have, but this article just sounds like a lot of trolling.  Is the MPAA to blame for assigning a PG-13 rating to a movie?  The highest-grossing movie with a PG-13 rating of all time, Avatar, pulled in $760,507,625.  The highest-grossing R-rated movie, Passion of the Christ: $370,782,930.

Less than half.

From WIKI: "The MPAA administers a motion picture rating system used in the United States to rate films' thematic and content suitability for certain audiences. MPAA ratings carry no force of local, state, or federal law and the rating system is voluntary, applying only to films submitted for rating."

So, the rating system the author advocates has no political force, yet he seems to be campaigning for its use in a political fashion.  The MPAA, who acts in the interest of the studios that belong to it, sees the correlation between how much money a film makes and its rating.

Bottom line: there's a lot of begging the question in this article, and not once is the word "parent" mentioned.  Where is the discussion of parental responsibility?
 
2013-01-03 12:05:00 PM
I think columnist should listen to some of the old radio shows.
 
2013-01-03 12:06:35 PM
Where will we get soldiers in the future?
 
2013-01-03 12:08:02 PM
Stop the hate against boobies.
 
2013-01-03 12:09:54 PM
kendricke.files.wordpress.com

An oldie but a goodie
 
2013-01-03 12:10:05 PM
A violent video game never killed anyone, but I suppose an Xbox is heavy enough that if you threw it at someone's head it would kill them. Video games are not designed to kill people (only virtual people). Guns are designed for only one thing, to kill. There's a little bit of a difference.
 
2013-01-03 12:11:03 PM
wambu

Stop the hate against boobies.

Stop the boob on boob violence... wait what am I saying.
 
2013-01-03 12:11:08 PM
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Spoiler...

The kid shoots his own dog at the end.

Rated 'R' for gun violence.
 
2013-01-03 12:11:16 PM
Let's discuss this at the milk bar.
 
2013-01-03 12:11:31 PM
no time for the old in and out love, i've just come to read the meter
 
2013-01-03 12:11:32 PM
Here's to ultraviolence AND boobies!
chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr
 
2013-01-03 12:13:47 PM

wambu: Stop the hate against boobies.


Seriously. I think the takeaway is that we want to be titillated. Whether it's violence or sex, we want things that get our blood moving (um, metaphorically?).

So let's give these goddamn repressive morons what they want - Saving Private Ryan is now verboten, Shaving Ryan's Privates is now A-OK for network TV (but only on Valentine's Day). Instead of censoring the three boobs scene in Total Recall, they censor the rest of it instead. Jenna Haze instantly becomes the favorite to win every "Best Actress" Oscar for the rest of time (well, until her lips fall off).
 
2013-01-03 12:14:20 PM

pjbreeze: I think columnist should listen to some of the old radio shows.


I think, in my completely amateur opinion, that if you compare older movies and radio drama with modern films, you'd find that in older films, the violence is less key to the plot than it is merely an expected plot device. For example, listening to episodes of "hard boiled" detectives like Phillip Marlowe or Johnny Dollar, you may have violence in the commission of a crime, or violence where the good guy has it out with the bad guy, but the incidents usually last seconds and are rarely central to the movie/radio drama. The overarching theme and focus is always on catching the crook and proving "crime doesn't pay."
 
2013-01-03 12:15:14 PM
I'm more concerned about a government busybody trying to treat me like a child than from some wackadoo busting in with a Bushmaster.
 
2013-01-03 12:15:52 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: still better than dirty, dirty naked boobies


You said "dirty" twice.


Because most boobies come in pairs.
 
2013-01-03 12:16:51 PM
No media outlets ever mention the man who killed kids in China with a knife
 
2013-01-03 12:18:45 PM

MBooda: Here's to ultraviolence AND boobies!
[chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr image 701x511]


Meh. I spent too much time trying to figure out how to sanitize this one (nsfw), and just gave up and was ready to post this one:

www.clattoverata.com

when you snuck in with a boobie-less pic. Now where's my cane, dammit?
 
2013-01-03 12:19:54 PM
 
2013-01-03 12:26:40 PM
Came to see what dirty naked boobies might look like.
 
2013-01-03 12:28:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: And wow, I just got to this part of the article:


So what do we do? What can we do? Forget censorship. It's socially immoral. It doesn't work, and it makes for awful movies.


 ....


The public has a bigger role, and that's to insist that any movie with any violence at all - any shooting, stabbing, bombing or rape - gets an R rating. If enforced, this would reduce the violence in PG-13 movies and prevent some violent films from getting made. At the same time, Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese will still be able to make their R-rated movies for an adult audience.


If raising violent films to an R-rating has no effect, and it might not, try NC-17.

So he says that censorship doesn't work, then advocates getting violent movies bumped to NC-17? I mean I'll be the first to admit the ratings system is farked and corrupt as hell, but everyone knows that slapping a movie with an NC-17 is basically a death warrant.  No major theater chain will show NC-17 movies.


This is Seattle. Sure we have a couple AMCs and Regals. But, we mainly have Landmark theaters (which love NC-17s; 6 of the theaters according to their website), and independents (who also don't mind NC-17s; 5 theaters off the top of my head). So, in Seattle its not a kiss of death...but, it is really Seattle-centric (and big city centric) to promote NC-17s.
 
2013-01-03 12:29:45 PM

Dr Dreidel: wambu: Stop the hate against boobies.

Seriously. I think the takeaway is that we want to be titillated. Whether it's violence or sex, we want things that get our blood moving (um, metaphorically?).

So let's give these goddamn repressive morons what they want - Saving Private Ryan is now verboten, Shaving Ryan's Privates is now A-OK for network TV (but only on Valentine's Day). Instead of censoring the three boobs scene in Total Recall, they censor the rest of it instead. Jenna Haze instantly becomes the favorite to win every "Best Actress" Oscar for the rest of time (well, until her lips fall off).


It does always confuse me how backwards the priorities of "protecting children" tend to be - sex should be very much a PG-13 type topic given that is when children need to be learning about what normal sex is (I can see more outre stuff like BDSM, Rape, etc., being worthy of a more restricted release), restrictions based on the language used is fairly stupid at all levels as far as I am concerned, and it should be violent films that are most restricted (rather than fairly explicit and extended violent sequences being consider PG). Obviously the labelling of the content is a useful guide for those with particular concerns, but the current way of converting those to the actual ratings seems stuck in 19th century upper class twit morality.
 
2013-01-03 12:32:03 PM
Cowboys grew up playing colonials and indians.
 
2013-01-03 12:32:11 PM
I watched Cleanflix the other day. Every customer talked about how they wanted to watch movies with death and destruction, but oh lawd the bad words they use
 
2013-01-03 12:34:17 PM
As someone trying desperately to un-do a few years of tolerance of violence to a small child, I am all for banning scenes of blood and gore. But, I don't need the help of anybody else to do it. I simply act like a grown-up and tell my kid, no, you don't need to watch that and you can't act like that. The only time I consider violence to be praiseworthy is in the defense of the defenseless, such as small kids, animals, elderly, handicapped, etc. I wish my kid would hurry up and get to puberty, so his mind starts craving the sight of boobies, and wanders away from blood and gore. But society has a tendency to think anyone who provides girlie mags to teen boys is a perv, so I guess I'll be labeled a perv in a few years.
 
2013-01-03 12:37:27 PM
I'm in the midwest, an area I would call the muffin top of the bible belt. Here, violence is fine, I mean, we's all about shootin' folks!, but naked people are the ultimate corrupting evil.
 
2013-01-03 12:45:52 PM
I  think the news is far worse than violent entertainment.  Entertainment we KNOW is fake.  The news, especially with its "If it bleeds it leads" orientation and scare-mongering "Special reports" is presenting a distorted view of reality that makes believe things that are simply not true.   Crime is way down in the US and the country less violent than its ever been.  But if you polled the middlin' inormed man on the street, I''d guarantee you they believe the exact opposite.

Moreover that feeling of danger and mailaise seeps into your unconscious even if you are consciously aware that the distortions are not true.  I personally very nearly ruined a production of Midsummer's Night Dream by the Washington Shakespeare Company this last Sunday because of it.   I was seated in the last row of the lower level on the aisle right next to the exit door, and during the third act the door burst open and a screaming man ran through it.  I was half out of my seat, aiming a punch at his groin and preparing to body tackle him, before I was even consciously aware I was doing anything.  Fortunately my wife's hand on my shoulder caused me to hesitate just a fraction of a second, and my brain clicked on the fact that the screaming man was the actor playing Bottom doing an entrance to the stage from the back of the theatre.

Until that moment I hadn't actually realized how jumpy a steady diet of news from places like Aurora and Sandy Hook had actually made me
 
2013-01-03 12:48:08 PM

Generation_D: Columnist is full of crap.

Nationwide, crime is down over the same period, last 20 years, that have had the violent video games and movies.

But it makes convenient scapegoat for elitist points of view that their art forms are superior.

The most violent pieces of work in our culture are the Torah, Bible and Koran.  Start there if you want to start banning works of fiction.


Once again, done in one...
 
2013-01-03 12:49:36 PM

cherryl taggart: As someone trying desperately to un-do a few years of tolerance of violence to a small child, I am all for banning scenes of blood and gore. But, I don't need the help of anybody else to do it. I simply act like a grown-up and tell my kid, no, you don't need to watch that and you can't act like that. The only time I consider violence to be praiseworthy is in the defense of the defenseless, such as small kids, animals, elderly, handicapped, etc. I wish my kid would hurry up and get to puberty, so his mind starts craving the sight of boobies, and wanders away from blood and gore. But society has a tendency to think anyone who provides girlie mags to teen boys is a perv, so I guess I'll be labeled a perv in a few years.


My thoughts exactly.
 
2013-01-03 12:55:19 PM

Merltech: No media outlets ever mention the man who killed kids in China with a knife


The several men. It's happens relatively frequently there.
Along with bus burnings.


Anyway, Since 1995, movies have gotten more violent and more "realistically" violent, video games have gotten more realistic, porn has become more easily available, drugs have gotten cheaper and more available and more weapons than even are in the hands of Americans.

Yet across the board the crime rates are down.
 
2013-01-03 12:58:06 PM

Magorn: I  think the news is far worse than violent entertainment.  Entertainment we KNOW is fake.  The news, especially with its "If it bleeds it leads" orientation and scare-mongering "Special reports" is presenting a distorted view of reality that makes believe things that are simply not true.   Crime is way down in the US and the country less violent than its ever been.  But if you polled the middlin' inormed man on the street, I''d guarantee you they believe the exact opposite.

Moreover that feeling of danger and mailaise seeps into your unconscious even if you are consciously aware that the distortions are not true.  I personally very nearly ruined a production of Midsummer's Night Dream by the Washington Shakespeare Company this last Sunday because of it.   I was seated in the last row of the lower level on the aisle right next to the exit door, and during the third act the door burst open and a screaming man ran through it.  I was half out of my seat, aiming a punch at his groin and preparing to body tackle him, before I was even consciously aware I was doing anything.  Fortunately my wife's hand on my shoulder caused me to hesitate just a fraction of a second, and my brain clicked on the fact that the screaming man was the actor playing Bottom doing an entrance to the stage from the back of the theatre.

Until that moment I hadn't actually realized how jumpy a steady diet of news from places like Aurora and Sandy Hook had actually made me


Oh, but how glorious would that have been had you cockpunched a stage actor. You'd have gotten and standing ovation from me, anyway.
 
2013-01-03 01:08:23 PM
I for one wold not mind replacing violence with boobies.
Hell lets have full porn on network TV.
 
2013-01-03 01:09:24 PM
I'm with Mose
 
2013-01-03 01:12:45 PM
"Obviously, the overriding issue is that we have a gun problem in the United States and -"

I'll be honest; that's about as far as I read. Is this guy paying attention at all? It seems to me he's either an idiot or and he's trying to appeal to idiots. Obviously, the overriding issue is that we have a mental health problem in the United States. Guns have been here a lot longer than the problems we've been seeing in recent years.

On another note, I grew up with free reign to all the gore and sex and language I could ever want. Plenty of it in real life, too. I didn't turn out so bad. Maybe. Okay, so I'm completely screwed up. I've been told that I have a serial killer vibe, and I can't disagree. But the neglect and abuse had a lot more to do with it than the games and movies that occupied the rest of my time.

Just spend some time sober with your kids. That's probably all they need.
 
2013-01-03 01:22:32 PM
Columnist says violent media is poisoning the nation's soul, but ultraviolence is still better than dirty, dirty naked boobies

Present these dirty, dirty boobies and I shall wash them. For this nation, of course.
 
2013-01-03 01:26:44 PM

I_Am_Weasel: The violence is inherent in the system.


Help! Help!

I'm being repressed!
 
2013-01-03 01:26:57 PM
Too bad no one wants to stop taking their anti-anxiety medication or giving their kids mood altering drugs to pacify them.
 
2013-01-03 01:31:14 PM
"Just as there is profit in violence, there is enormous profit in pornography, and yet our films don't routinely depict graphic sex acts for two reasons: (1) The public wouldn't stand for it;"

O RLY? Films don't depict graphic sex acts because that gets you an NC-17 or X rating and movie theaters know there's not enough profit in those (the teen agers can't come see them)- and some folks would wail and complain. But I think the complainers would be ignored if there was enough $$$ in it.

"and (2) Critics would feel on solid ground deploring it."

Why don't critics feel solid ground deploring violence? Some critics do. They happen to be critics from places like Focus on the Family and American Family Association. So what?

What the author seems to be saying is US society already has a cultural norm of stigmatizing graphic sex scenes - which he's fine with. But we don't have the same norm for stigmatizing violence. And he thinks maybe it's time we start doing so. But, oh, that hurts his progressive, moral relativism, feelings.

Wah.
 
2013-01-03 01:31:58 PM

Sticky Hands: Merltech: No media outlets ever mention the man who killed kids in China with a knife

The several men. It's happens relatively frequently there.
Along with bus burnings.


Anyway, Since 1995, movies have gotten more violent and more "realistically" violent, video games have gotten more realistic, porn has become more easily available, drugs have gotten cheaper and more available and more weapons than even are in the hands of Americans.

Yet across the board As a result(?), the crime rates are down.

 
2013-01-03 01:33:23 PM
We don't have a gun or violence problem any more than 1950, or 1850, for that matter. We have a media problem. We used to hear about the killings in the next town over, but rarely the town next to that. Nowadays, we're wringing our hands over killings from a world away. There was killings every day, back in them days, but we didn't read about it, or see it on the TV. Newspapers were 4 page editions (2 for want ads), TV was too interested in sitcoms, and news was a half-hour long. The media found out that news shows were cheaper to produce, AND people would watch, regardless how crass, or old, the items. If we start beating down the media onslaught, and stick to news you need to know, we wouldn't have this national paranoia.

/'Nuff said
//That's why I read Fark...all the news I give a shait about
///On that note, My gifted TF runs out tommorrow, I thank Eeek! for that. It was interesting to see the inside, but I'm good with the parking lot. It's not $5/mo better. Sorry.
 
2013-01-03 01:43:09 PM
By the by, This is a SF writer, not a Seattle guy. On the wetside of Washington, only Capitol Hill thinks like this. Most of us hunt, target shoot, or, at least, leave those who do alone. Guns aren't violent, People are. I'll shot dogs running loose in the woods during hunting season. I don't want skittish deer when I'm trying to bag one. I'll shoot you, if you take sound shots in my direction.  I don't carry, so I'll not be in a raging gun war at the mall, but I support all those who do, as they'll draw fire while I get outta the way.
 
2013-01-03 01:45:13 PM

cherryl taggart: As someone trying desperately to un-do a few years of tolerance of violence to a small child, I am all for banning scenes of blood and gore. But, I don't need the help of anybody else to do it. I simply act like a grown-up and tell my kid, no, you don't need to watch that and you can't act like that. The only time I consider violence to be praiseworthy is in the defense of the defenseless, such as small kids, animals, elderly, handicapped, etc. I wish my kid would hurry up and get to puberty, so his mind starts craving the sight of boobies, and wanders away from blood and gore. But society has a tendency to think anyone who provides girlie mags to teen boys is a perv, so I guess I'll be labeled a perv in a few years.


If it assuages your conscience any, my mom got me a subscription - in my own name, no less - to Playboy for my 12th birthday.

And I've never been convicted of anything worse than speeding.

Yet.
 
2013-01-03 02:04:05 PM

AdrienVeidt: cherryl taggart: As someone trying desperately to un-do a few years of tolerance of violence to a small child, I am all for banning scenes of blood and gore. But, I don't need the help of anybody else to do it. I simply act like a grown-up and tell my kid, no, you don't need to watch that and you can't act like that. The only time I consider violence to be praiseworthy is in the defense of the defenseless, such as small kids, animals, elderly, handicapped, etc. I wish my kid would hurry up and get to puberty, so his mind starts craving the sight of boobies, and wanders away from blood and gore. But society has a tendency to think anyone who provides girlie mags to teen boys is a perv, so I guess I'll be labeled a perv in a few years.

If it assuages your conscience any, my mom got me a subscription - in my own name, no less - to Playboy for my 12th birthday.

And I've never been convicted of anything worse than speeding.

Yet.


Holy shiat, you have a cool mom.
 
2013-01-03 02:13:13 PM
and what was on FX basic cable last night? Machete!

fortunately there were no boobies displayed... but lots and lots of beheadings and enough head shots splashed across the walls to keep dexter busy for another 10 seasons...
 
2013-01-03 02:13:41 PM
What Ultraviolence may sound like: new window
 
2013-01-03 02:18:56 PM

MBooda: Here's to ultraviolence AND boobies!
[chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr image 701x511]


Just making sure this reference was made.

Violent crime has been declining for years, I like to credit the obesity crisis. Say what you will about fatties, but you know they don't have the energy to bludgeon someone.
 
2013-01-03 02:21:39 PM
It's an interesting question if only because I was thinking last night, watching TV, as an ad came on for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D" and it's rated PG-13 and the ad features a half-naked girl shackled just as Leatherface is about to start chainsawing her in half--anyway, I was thinking, "Holy crap, why is this stuff on so early in the evening? Why is it on the Food Network?"

I don't believe that "violent media causes violence" blah blah. And I don't think for a second that it's up to Hollywood to stop making movies because of our kids' tender sensitivities. But I do question what the hell is going on when you get chainsaw-massacre ads on the Food Network. Maybe the critics are right, not that it causes violence, but that its become unavoidable in society. It really is everywhere. You can't not see it. And yet nobody wants to acknowledge that maybe--just MAYBE--it does have at least a little effect on us. It has to be bad when you're sitting watching a cooking show and suddenly you get, without the slightest warning, slammed between the eyes with the image of a terrified girl trying to scream as a chainsaw appears over her shoulder.
 
2013-01-03 02:30:24 PM
Looks like the jerkoff greenlighters didn't get another gun thread like they were trolling for.

Was that a soccer mom blog?
 
2013-01-03 02:30:55 PM

Sofa King Smart: and what was on FX basic cable last night? Machete!

fortunately there were no boobies displayed... but lots and lots of beheadings and enough head shots splashed across the walls to keep dexter busy for another 10 seasons...


SOOO TRUE......

Beheadings, limb amputations of varying types, swinging from intenstines, slow, graphic hari-kari, blood squirting everywhere.....

That's all fine and dandy, but we can't any boobies peekin out...... sigh.....

/That has got to be the best b-movie ever. I thought maybe I'd catch it on HBO or something, but I musta missed that (or it was too low for even their standards... LOL). When I saw it on FX, I just had to watch. Now, I need to see the unedited version for sure!
 
2013-01-03 02:37:05 PM

Mikeyworld: We don't have a gun or violence problem any more than 1950, or 1850, for that matter. We have a media problem. We used to hear about the killings in the next town over, but rarely the town next to that. Nowadays, we're wringing our hands over killings from a world away. There was killings every day, back in them days, but we didn't read about it, or see it on the TV. Newspapers were 4 page editions (2 for want ads), TV was too interested in sitcoms, and news was a half-hour long. The media found out that news shows were cheaper to produce, AND people would watch, regardless how crass, or old, the items. If we start beating down the media onslaught, and stick to news you need to know, we wouldn't have this national paranoia.

/'Nuff said
//That's why I read Fark...all the news I give a shait about
///On that note, My gifted TF runs out tommorrow, I thank Eeek! for that. It was interesting to see the inside, but I'm good with the parking lot. It's not $5/mo better. Sorry.


You have had your present, hear it from all over the nation, 24-hour newsfeed for quite some time now, though. Long enough to see some trends.
 
2013-01-03 02:41:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: It's an interesting question if only because I was thinking last night, watching TV, as an ad came on for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D" and it's rated PG-13 and the ad features a half-naked girl shackled just as Leatherface is about to start chainsawing her in half--anyway, I was thinking, "Holy crap, why is this stuff on so early in the evening? Why is it on the Food Network?"


It's rated R for "strong grisly violence and language throughout"

But I do agree with you that the ad placements need to be fixed.
 
2013-01-03 02:55:30 PM

Gyrfalcon: It has to be bad when you're sitting watching a cooking show and suddenly you get, without the slightest warning, slammed between the eyes with the image of a terrified girl trying to scream as a chainsaw appears over her shoulder.


I dunno, maybe you just do what most people do - tune it out.

Maybe it's because I'm a fan of the genre, but such a commercial, unless it's being played in between Yo Gabba Wubbzy or whatever, has absolutely no effect on me. Probably because I got used to filtering out ads for the 9,000 other crappy movies out now (I haven't gone to a movie theater for a non-old movie in a while. AFI Silver Theater rules just a bit), what's one more incoherent series of flashing images?

// not trying to be rude
// but I guess I see your point - I feel the same way about "get in touch with your period" commercials
// don't get alarmed - if they were showing Ducolax commercials with people making similar comments about their "heavy flow", I'd be upset too
 
2013-01-03 02:56:33 PM

ITGreen: AdrienVeidt: cherryl taggart: As someone trying desperately to un-do a few years of tolerance of violence to a small child, I am all for banning scenes of blood and gore. But, I don't need the help of anybody else to do it. I simply act like a grown-up and tell my kid, no, you don't need to watch that and you can't act like that. The only time I consider violence to be praiseworthy is in the defense of the defenseless, such as small kids, animals, elderly, handicapped, etc. I wish my kid would hurry up and get to puberty, so his mind starts craving the sight of boobies, and wanders away from blood and gore. But society has a tendency to think anyone who provides girlie mags to teen boys is a perv, so I guess I'll be labeled a perv in a few years.

If it assuages your conscience any, my mom got me a subscription - in my own name, no less - to Playboy for my 12th birthday.

And I've never been convicted of anything worse than speeding.

Yet.

Holy shiat, you have a cool mom.


Seriously. I had to make due with the Sears catalog.

And then, one glorious day, we started getting Victoria's Secret catalogs. I grateful I was the first one home to check the mail almost everyday, because that thing was mine.

And then came the internets and I eventually had my Quagmire moment.
 
2013-01-03 03:15:00 PM
Jack Reacher nonstop violence but not a nipple in sight = PG13
 
2013-01-03 03:26:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: Gyrfalcon: It's an interesting question if only because I was thinking last night, watching TV, as an ad came on for "Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D" and it's rated PG-13 and the ad features a half-naked girl shackled just as Leatherface is about to start chainsawing her in half--anyway, I was thinking, "Holy crap, why is this stuff on so early in the evening? Why is it on the Food Network?"

It's rated R for "strong grisly violence and language throughout"

But I do agree with you that the ad placements need to be fixed.


Interesting....the TV ads show it being rated PG-13 which is why I thought it very strange. Maybe it's been re-rated.
 
2013-01-03 03:48:07 PM

monoski: Jack Reacher nonstop violence but not a nipple in sight = PG13


When you say "nonstop violence" do you mean the same violence in the Dark Knight (i.e. anytime you're supposed to see somethng grisly the camera suddenly cuts away)?

Honestly I'm over the PG-13 action movies now. Too much censorship both verbally and visually. Jack Reacher is supposed to be a cold motherfarker, yet it's PG-13? Fark that mess.
 
2013-01-03 04:23:01 PM

Mikeyworld: We don't have a gun or violence problem any more than 1950, or 1850, for that matter. We have a media problem. We used to hear about the killings in the next town over, but rarely the town next to that. Nowadays, we're wringing our hands over killings from a world away. There was killings every day, back in them days, but we didn't read about it, or see it on the TV. Newspapers were 4 page editions (2 for want ads), TV was too interested in sitcoms, and news was a half-hour long. The media found out that news shows were cheaper to produce, AND people would watch, regardless how crass, or old, the items. If we start beating down the media onslaught, and stick to news you need to know, we wouldn't have this national paranoia.


This.

Before the intertubes got plugged in, people couldn't check the news on their breaks, lunches or on their hand held pocket computer/phones.

A producer had to decide what news was fit to put on the TV at 5:00, 7:00 & 10:00... and unless you were an avid newspaper reader, you didn't get the local stuff that didn't make the late edition or the national stuff that got trumped by the local stuff that made it.

It's not that there's more gun violence, or more child molesters or more drunk drivers, it's the fact that we're no longer limited to a few local networks and even fewer national networks for television. Instead of the few channels on the dial when I was a kid here in southern california (2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 & 13) there are several different cable providers with hundreds of channels. in addition to that we have NEWS channels. ALL NEWS ALL THE TIME!

"NEWS" is no longer the big thing that happened yesterday in the next town, it's the thing that happened 10 minutes ago, on the other side of the planet.
 
2013-01-03 04:35:54 PM
Grudies, o me brothers.
 
2013-01-03 05:17:03 PM
EIP for research purposes.

/no violence please
 
2013-01-03 06:08:22 PM
We are primates. We are excited by violence and sex because it is in our mammalian blood. Violence and sex are bred into the gene pool, and are the two most basic tools of survival for all living creatures. We watch and simulate sex and violence because we want to, plain and simple.

We learn by doing and by watching others. We plunk our kids down in front of Sesame Street because we know what little sponges they can be, and we hope they learn basic literacy skills, but also life lessons. Lessons about sharing, about honesty, about loyalty and love. We plunk them down in front of one hero after another to try to mold their attitudes about life. The fact that we go to such great lengths to shape the thinking of our children argues that, on the whole, we believe that it can be done. So how could it be, that children would suddenly stop absorbing lessons about life the moment they sit down at their computer to play Grand Theft Auto?

The question is: is there no amount of indulgence in the fulfillment of our basest desires, that causes us to pause and reflect on what it means to be civilized?

Incidentally, the whole "naked = EVIL" meme is nothing new. When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit, you may recall that pretty much the entire consequence of that action (before God found out, that is) was that they discovered their nakedness and hid from view, and later worked something out with fig leaves. That is, the basic Biblical lesson that the knowledge of good and evil revealed was that nakedness = evil, shame = good.
 
2013-01-03 07:14:36 PM
fark it, lets ban every thing. i didnt want to live free anyway.
 
2013-01-03 07:44:46 PM

stuffy: I for one would not mind replacing violence with boobies.


I See A Great Need: combining the two!
crow202.org

Guns aren't even necessary.
crow202.org
 
2013-01-04 12:12:05 AM

Odd Bird: Let's discuss this at the milk bar.


MBooda: Here's to ultraviolence AND boobies!
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I was hoping to find this a part of the discussion.

/FWIW A Clockwork Orange was originally rated X, until Kubric toned down one of the rape scenes.
 
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