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(CBS News)   From the "pot too stunned to call the kettle black" files: Microsoft renews calls for government to investigate Google over using its market dominance unfairly   (cbsnews.com) divider line 60
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2013-01-03 07:41:55 PM  
Honestly, this lawyer shiat is getting out of hand. You can't all be the only purveyor of X. You can't all be the only creator of X. And you can't all insist that only your model of X is the original.

Bluntly, I don't farking care. I'm a Dr Pepper fan. My cousins like Pepsi. My parents like Coca-Cola. (I miss the hell out of Pepsi Blue FWIW).

So there can only be one soda? There can only be one car? There can be only one light-bulb? There can only be one ANYTHING? How does this pompous shiat encourage competition? How does a single-provider encourage capitalism? How does a single-provider encourage ANYTHING?

Our copyright laws stymie innovation. Our copyright laws kill cooperation. We've become a nation of assassins. How terrible we are.
 
2013-01-03 10:23:57 PM  

Vaneshi: Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's?


In the 90s
 
2013-01-03 11:03:46 PM  

Vaneshi: wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Does Google have a monopoly? That is the question. Monopoly doesn't mean largest or most popular, it means the only thing you can do is use them. Google don't have a monopoly IMHO, people are free to upload their content to any of the other popular systems; even those using Google's Android powered devices.

Also, Microsoft... suck it up and stop crying like little biatches. Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's? I mean sure they were an actual monopoly and abused the shiat out of it but at least they had the balls to do it and tell everyone else to EABOD. Now they're whiner than an emo kid who's out of black mascara.


The same laws apply whether one has an actual monopoly or merely a strong enough position to engage in anti-competitive behavior. If one has that amount of marketplace muscle, one is held to a much higher standard than other companies.

It isn't illegal to be in such a position, but almost any tactic you used to get to such a position becomes illegal to use to help you stay there.

That's why most industries have a handful of big players that try very hard not to get much bigger in their primary industries but instead start diversifying. Of course cartels are also illegal, but they still exist to make sure that the government doesn't have reason to look too hard at their companies.

The tech industry doesn't have its cartel established, the companies grow and collapse too quickly for it to happen. Thus lots of problems with lawsuits and such. Stability requires mature companies with clearly delineated territories and markets willing to work to preserve the status quo.

Charges of unfair practices and anticompetitive behavior show just how vital the tech industry remains despite the emergence of giants in the marketplace.
 
2013-01-04 12:35:44 AM  

Marine1: The monopoly (at least in terms of one that Google certifiably has) would be YouTube.


Viddler, Vemo and such disprove your statement. YouTube is the largest such site yes but biggest doesn't equal monopoly. Are Google actively seeking to lock out these competing sites? No, in fact the are indexed and searchable though Google themselves (the video search).

So no. It's not a monopoly. And if wishes were horses all the little girls would have ponies.
 
2013-01-04 02:12:45 AM  
Right now, I'm enjoying watching Google rip apart competition in a fit of cosmic irony. But, they are getting awfully powerful in the field and, as a company, flirting with dangerous.

Google isn't the heraldic angel of companies, but their motto could be changed from "Don't Be Evil" into "Be Significantly Less Evil Than the Other Guy"
 
2013-01-04 03:08:38 AM  
From the way I read it:

Microsoft: "Wahhh, wahhh! Google got to a technology first and we have done everything we possibly can to destroy it - except make a good competitive product - and we can't buy them. Wah wah!!! Government, please kill them."

Given Google's record of caving to the Chinese, they aren't angels either, but given Microsoft track record - FU Microsoft.
 
2013-01-04 04:38:24 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: From the way I read it:

Microsoft: "Wahhh, wahhh! Google got to a technology first and we have done everything we possibly can to destroy it - except make a good competitive product - and we can't buy them. Wah wah!!! Government, please kill them."

Given Google's record of caving to the Chinese, they aren't angels either, but given Microsoft track record - FU Microsoft.


Yeah, no...

Its more like "Google we would like the same level of access you give iOS and Android so our users can enjoy YouTube on the platform of their choice."
Microsoft has the app built but without the access to Google's apis its the lackluster one currently there
Google refuses to give this access, which is anti-competitive.
3rd Party developers are violating Google's TOS by using the workarounds to get a decent app for windows phone but it breabreaks at least 1-2 times a month.
 
2013-01-04 07:37:05 AM  

rosebud_the_sled: From the way I read it:

Microsoft: "Wahhh, wahhh! Google got to a technology first and we have done everything we possibly can to destroy it - except make a good competitive product - and we can't buy them. Wah wah!!! Government, please kill them."

Given Google's record of caving to the Chinese, they aren't angels either, but given Microsoft track record - FU Microsoft.


It's hard to make a competing product when every single aspect of a product is locked down due to patents
 
2013-01-04 09:04:39 AM  
 
2013-01-04 11:57:16 PM  

Vaneshi: Marine1: The monopoly (at least in terms of one that Google certifiably has) would be YouTube.

Viddler, Vemo and such disprove your statement. YouTube is the largest such site yes but biggest doesn't equal monopoly. Are Google actively seeking to lock out these competing sites? No, in fact the are indexed and searchable though Google themselves (the video search).

So no. It's not a monopoly. And if wishes were horses all the little girls would have ponies.


Microsoft didn't tell you that you couldn't install anything but Windows on an x86 machine in the 90s, either. Just because alternatives exist doesn't mean a monopoly doesn't exist. And yes, Google's using it to beat down Windows Phone.
 
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