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2013-01-03 03:14:48 AM  
Considering that Microsoft ISN'T too stunned to call Google "black", it would seem that subby misfiled something.
 
2013-01-03 03:22:45 AM  
I dunno, if anyone knows about using their market dominance unfairly, it'd be Microsoft.
 
2013-01-03 03:35:14 AM  
More goose and gander than pot and kettle.
 
2013-01-03 03:37:18 AM  
This been going on for 2 years about Google breaking API's for Youtube app for WP. Funny thing is the 3rd party Youtube apps looks better than the one Microsoft made.
/IMHO Microsoft needs to suck it up and make the same apps for Android that they make for iOS, then maybe Google will budge.
//Office for Android would also help
 
2013-01-03 03:43:07 AM  
They do make the same apps for android. Skydrive. Hotmail. Outlook. All there.
 
2013-01-03 03:43:57 AM  
Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?
 
2013-01-03 03:47:24 AM  
Whereas Google hasn't published one app in the Windows 8 store, and only one app in the Windows Phone store.

If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.
 
2013-01-03 06:00:21 AM  
Agent Starling needed Hannibal's help to catch Bill too.
 
2013-01-03 06:13:21 AM  

Bhruic: I dunno, if anyone knows about using their market dominance unfairly, it'd be Microsoft.


Leaving aside whether anybody actually did anything wrong, I imagine every jack-headed legal theory of use of market power is pretty familiar to Microsoft by this point.

Might as well get something for all that expensively-bought expertise.
 
2013-01-03 06:47:11 AM  

wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it.


It is in fact illegal to have a monopoly, at least without Congressional or Judicial approval.  While Congressional approval is somewhat elusive (though certain markets like MLB and health insurance have them), fortunately for the Randians the DoJ has historically been extremely reluctant to pursue any anti-trust cases.
 
2013-01-03 06:54:21 AM  
the reason it's stunned is cause u keep smoking it. stop smoking the pot
 
2013-01-03 06:56:44 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: This been going on for 2 years about Google breaking API's for Youtube app for WP. Funny thing is the 3rd party Youtube apps looks better than the one Microsoft made.
/IMHO Microsoft needs to suck it up and make the same apps for Android that they make for iOS, then maybe Google will budge.
//Office for Android would also help


They already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds, which is why it keeps breaking. MS can't use those same workarounds it would be palm vs apple all over again.
 
2013-01-03 07:02:03 AM  
I learned it from watching you Microsoft! I learned it from YOU!
 
2013-01-03 07:32:29 AM  
Personally, I'd like to see da' guvmin't 'vestigate politicians for lying about sh*t.
 
2013-01-03 08:15:50 AM  

narkor: Whereas Google hasn't published one app in the Windows 8 store, and only one app in the Windows Phone store.

If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.


Windows 8 (I assume we're talking RT) does not have a large market at this time. There are many developers not rushing to develop Apps for Win 8.
There are also other search engines you can use besides Google. If you feel Google is dominating unfairly, then don't use Google.
 
2013-01-03 08:18:11 AM  
MS used market dominance to effectively force out OS alternatives. IIRC they charged vendors for all the PCs produced not just the ones with Windows so if a vendor installed other operating systems they'd still be charged a license for it. Even today MS has a 70% market share in OS...Install MS Windows, MS Internet Explorer comes as default browser, MS homepage comes as default webpage.

The core of google is search results and it's not like there isn't at least a dozen alternatives that are free and can be reached by any device that can hit google.com. MS is upset that google won't write apps or help them with their apps for WindowsPhone, how many apps has MS written for Android? Google may be just as bad but their strategy is far more passive then what MS did and is still doing. Google should/will argue there is no point in writing anything for WindowsPhone based on market share, it has such a small user base that it would be a waste. There are more outdated versions of Android out there than MS based phones.

/Didn't realize Android was on >70% of SmartPhones, that is scary growth.
 
2013-01-03 08:41:31 AM  

terminalx: They already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds,


Illegal? I'm curious as to what law they're actually breaking. Google's Terms of Service? (which of course aren't laws)
 
2013-01-03 10:02:19 AM  
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2013-01-03 10:02:54 AM  

wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again?


They haven't really begun. Give 'em a few more years. For now, they're just kicking the crap out of their competitors, nice and simple.
 
2013-01-03 10:21:31 AM  

Lt_Ryan: MS is upset that google won't write apps or help them with their apps for WindowsPhone, how many apps has MS written for Android?


The only major MS apps that are not available for Android are Office and SmartGlass for tablets. Microsoft has been surprisingly chill about creating content for competing devices.
 
2013-01-03 10:32:43 AM  

narkor: If you're happy with the Internet being completely run by Google (who determine what sites live and what sites die by a search engine ranking system that they don't explain, except to claim "it's really fair") - then everything is fine.


I'm not a huge fan of google, so guess what, I don't use it that much. I use a variety of different services which provide better quality over their google counterparts, except for Google Translate, which is the best so I use it.

If you don't like google, don't use it - support their competition. Don't complain that Google should be forced to provide their content to more devices to make them more ubiquitous than they already are.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:36 AM  
I look at people who still think of Microsoft as the company it was in the 90s the same way I look at people who think that there is no good American beer. It must be nice to get stuck in one time period and never follow along with developments...
 
2013-01-03 10:44:55 AM  
Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.
 
2013-01-03 11:08:38 AM  

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Oh, Word Perfect.

I was a devoted user in the 1990s -- it was always way ahead of Word. (Corel did futz it up a bit when they bought it from Novell).
 
2013-01-03 11:23:20 AM  

wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?


From the IsoHunt main page:

Google announcing they will downrank sites "with too many valid DMCA takedown notices". Since isoHunt is currently listed as #3 of most noticed sites, that is likely to happen to to us. ... What's missing on Google's DMCA notices report? Youtube.
 
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2013-01-03 11:26:38 AM  

thornhill: Oh, Word Perfect.

I was a devoted user in the 1990s -- it was always way ahead of Word. (Corel did futz it up a bit when they bought it from Novell).


MSFT's headache from allegedly forcing WordPerfect out of the market lasted all the way until last year. The jury couldn't reach a verdict, and the judge threw the case out. Link (pops)
 
2013-01-03 11:32:39 AM  

thornhill: it (WordPerfect) was always way ahead of Word


Yeah, when it wasn't crashing 30% of the times using it.
 
2013-01-03 11:45:00 AM  
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2013-01-03 11:45:37 AM  

wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?


I used to work at Netscape and I'm not really getting a kick out of these replies....
 
2013-01-03 11:58:31 AM  

mainstreet62: thornhill: it (WordPerfect) was always way ahead of Word

Yeah, when it wasn't crashing 30% of the times using it.


I cannot recall its crash rate being any different than other programs during the 1990s.
 
2013-01-03 12:29:02 PM  

terminalx: hey already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds, which is why it keeps breaking.


Which is funny since Android is a pirates wet dream
 
2013-01-03 12:33:54 PM  
Also, flashing a new ROM to the Arrive. Anyone got a 500-ton hydraulic ram I can use to unclench?
 
2013-01-03 12:53:47 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: terminalx: hey already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds, which is why it keeps breaking.

Which is funny since Android is a pirates wet dream


And we should all give up more control over our own computers so we can make the boogyman of the week go away right? fark that

Oh and iPhone isn't that bad for pirates either: http://h-online.com/security/news/it em/Pirated-iOS-apps-without-jail breaking-1776354.html
 
2013-01-03 01:14:11 PM  

Lanadapter: drjekel_mrhyde: terminalx: hey already do as stated above and the third Party apps are using illegal workarounds, which is why it keeps breaking.

Which is funny since Android is a pirates wet dream

And we should all give up more control over our own computers so we can make the boogyman of the week go away right? fark that

Oh and iPhone isn't that bad for pirates either: http://h-online.com/security/news/it em/Pirated-iOS-apps-without-jail breaking-1776354.html


You may want to read up on that.

Zeusmos creator follows Installous, ceases piracy features for iOS

And, you know, figure out how to post a working link
 
2013-01-03 01:28:22 PM  
I'm not saying Google is the shining example of how free enterprise should work and play with others, but Microsoft pointing and crying about anti-trust practices is priceless.
 
2013-01-03 01:42:05 PM  
Google is the new microsoft, like it or not.

The people who said the world would be a better place when Google took over were wrong. Maybe it would have been if they'd left Schmidt in charge.
 
2013-01-03 01:44:02 PM  

moothemagiccow: Google is the new microsoft, like it or not.

The people who said the world would be a better place when Google took over were wrong. Maybe it would have been if they'd left Schmidt in charge.


Kinda reminds me of the South Park Wal-Mart episode where they burn the place down and support the "small local" store to the point where it becomes the next Wal-Mart and they burn THAT one down.
 
2013-01-03 01:56:54 PM  

Marine1: Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.


Do Windows Phones have browsers?

Then Windows Phones have YouTube.
 
2013-01-03 02:14:36 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Marine1: Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

Do Windows Phones have browsers?

Then Windows Phones have YouTube.


More like Youtube lite Link

"Google is a web company and so it is natural to think that its services should be easily accessible with the built in HTML 5 compliant Internet Explorer. Sadly we also see examples of requests for certain pages to be redirected back to the Google landing page. There is much to suggest that Google sees Windows Phone as a natural competitor to its market share in mobile due to the similarities in how the OS is delivered through independent manufacturers."
 
2013-01-03 02:15:59 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Marine1: Well, they're right to be the pot that calls the kettle black. Windows Phone is absolutely fine on its own merits, and reviewer after reviewer says this. Then they go on to criticize the lack of applications. The problem is, there are certain things users expect to be able to do on a smartphone, and those things include using a YouTube application. Google is denying Microsoft the ability to compete in the smartphone space by denying that OS a legitimate YouTube client. However, they had no problems creating a YouTube application for the iPhone back when its market share in the phone space was around 0%. In this way, Google is acting as an arbiter of who and what they get to compete against, and yes, that is exactly what antitrust/anti-competitive regulations are there to stop.

I get that Windows Phone has low market share. However, that could change if Google stopped trying to kill the platform. If Windows Phone doesn't succeed, it should be because of its own merits.

Do Windows Phones have browsers?

Then Windows Phones have YouTube.


It's crap in comparison, and everyone knows it. Especially Google.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:55 PM  

MightyPez: Lanadapter:
Oh and iPhone isn't that bad for pirates either: http://h-online.com/security/news/it em/Pirated-iOS-apps-without-jail breaking-1776354.html

You may want to read up on that.

...And, you know, figure out how to post a working link


Or use a real browser. The link works fine in Internet Explorer.
 
2013-01-03 02:34:41 PM  

netringer: MightyPez: Lanadapter:
Oh and iPhone isn't that bad for pirates either: http://h-online.com/security/news/it em/Pirated-iOS-apps-without-jail breaking-1776354.html

You may want to read up on that.

...And, you know, figure out how to post a working link

Or use a real browser. The link works fine in Internet Explorer.


media.comicvine.com

Doesn't work in Chrome, Safari, or IE 8 until you take out the user added spaces.
 
2013-01-03 02:40:05 PM  

Lanadapter: And we should all give up more control over our own computers so we can make the boogyman of the week go away right? fark that


You never had control over your own computer.
 
2013-01-03 02:40:21 PM  

MightyPez: netringer: MightyPez:
...And, you know, figure out how to post a working link

Or use a real browser. The link works fine in Internet Explorer.

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Doesn't work in Chrome, Safari, or IE 8 until you take out the user added spaces.


Use a STANDARD browser.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-03 03:06:37 PM  

wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?


Does Google have a monopoly? That is the question. Monopoly doesn't mean largest or most popular, it means the only thing you can do is use them. Google don't have a monopoly IMHO, people are free to upload their content to any of the other popular systems; even those using Google's Android powered devices.

Also, Microsoft... suck it up and stop crying like little biatches. Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's? I mean sure they were an actual monopoly and abused the shiat out of it but at least they had the balls to do it and tell everyone else to EABOD. Now they're whiner than an emo kid who's out of black mascara.
 
2013-01-03 03:13:46 PM  

mainstreet62: thornhill: it (WordPerfect) was always way ahead of Word

Yeah, when it wasn't crashing 30% of the times using it.


You're probably thinking of WP6 (aka Word Perfect for Windows) which was pretty much a dogs dinner of an application. When most people talk about Word Perfect they actually mean v5.1 which was a DOS application and actually ate Word for breakfast, lunch & dinner. Seriously, WP5.1 destroyed Word (Windows versions or otherwise) but that control scheme and it's utter lack of WYSIWYG meant it needed serious love to move to a GUI.

/People still use WP5.1, it's more of a cockroach than Windows XP (or 98SE) is.
//It is rock solid.
 
2013-01-03 03:44:36 PM  

Vaneshi: wax_on: Remember, it's not illegal to have a monopoly, it's only illegal to abuse it. How is Google abusing it's monopoly again? Secret APIs? Breaking their software so that it's not compatible with third party vendor's software? Telling it's licensees that they can't distribute other vendor's software? Huh MS? What was it?

Does Google have a monopoly? That is the question. Monopoly doesn't mean largest or most popular, it means the only thing you can do is use them. Google don't have a monopoly IMHO, people are free to upload their content to any of the other popular systems; even those using Google's Android powered devices.

Also, Microsoft... suck it up and stop crying like little biatches. Jesus where the hell is the Microsoft of the 90's? I mean sure they were an actual monopoly and abused the shiat out of it but at least they had the balls to do it and tell everyone else to EABOD. Now they're whiner than an emo kid who's out of black mascara.


The monopoly (at least in terms of one that Google certifiably has) would be YouTube.
 
2013-01-03 05:20:15 PM  

Bhruic: I dunno, if anyone knows about using their market dominance unfairly, it'd be Microsoft.


that's the joke
 
2013-01-03 06:27:10 PM  
 
2013-01-03 06:29:03 PM  
There is much to suggest that Google sees Windows Phone as a natural competitor to its market share in mobile due to the similarities in how the OS is delivered through independent manufacturers.

Wow, you've got to be a conspiracy nut to believe that. Google see WP as a competitor in the same way that the Third Reich saw Luxembourg as a threat. 2.4% market share. That's what WP has. Android has over 70%.

And I'll start taking Microsoft's whining seriously when they release Office or Media Player for Linux.
 
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