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(The Atlantic)   New North Korean pictures. Looking at 12 and 23 together will both break your heart and make you want to punch your monitor. It's what the unicorns would have wanted   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2013-01-03 09:27:51 AM  

publikenemy: If only the population had been allowed to own guns. Maybe then it'd be possible to mount some sort of resistance and fight for freedom rather than existing in some bizarro world where government leaders and military are one and are kings, while you merely exist in a predictable depressing shiathole of which there is no escape.


www.myfacewhen.net
 
2013-01-03 09:40:18 AM  

BHShaman: JesusJuice: How do you make a truck run on a barrel of burning wood?

On one of the "Perp-er" shows they had one of these and it could be hooked to a truck to run the main drive shaft (wheel), connected to a generator for electricity (home), and a whole host of other home essentials (for an Apocalypse) like a wood splitter, planer, belt knife sharpening, blacksmiths stove, etc.

Pretty neat overall and shows how ingenious people ALLOWED to invent can be.

Wood Powered Engine


A small leak produces enough carbon monoxide to kill in minutes.  Running one of these is about as healthy as putting the 1950 Ford in the garage and shutting the door while trying to tune it up.
 
2013-01-03 09:45:25 AM  
I wonder if North Korean women wear bras....
 
2013-01-03 09:47:58 AM  

RidersOfLohan: why is this crap sad? It's perfect. Perfect to send to all the idiots who were "edgy" and being leftie in college.


Uh, no.

While there is probably a lone kook or two who want Stalinist/Maoist/Juche type politics and economics, the western leftists look towards Scandinavia for proof that socialism (but not Communism) works. Most modern leftists see Communism as being debunked and obsolete, just like most modern Consevatives don't really want a return to the days of Robber Barons and company towns.

Seriously, put the strawman down. Look at the Nordic Model nations (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland) for countries that combined socialism, democracy, freedom and prosperity. Link
 
2013-01-03 09:52:29 AM  

DustBunny: Raithun: If you like those, NASA and the NOAA just released a new 'Black Marble' using Oct 2012 data from their fancy new Suomi NPP satellite.

I'm not sure how accurate this pic is...there's a lot of lights in the middle of Australia where there is a whole bunch of nothing but desert, no towns even big enough (except maybe one right in the middle) to raise a blip


Wildfires
 
2013-01-03 09:54:32 AM  

ShawnDoc: What's wrong with 12?  When I was growing up (starting around age 10) I used to help with baling and loading hay.  We'd do a couple tons worth a day.  What are you some sort of city slicker who's never seen a farm?  Its normal for the kids to help out with manual labor when they're not in school.

/The start of deer season was also treated as a week long holiday, and teachers knew not to schedule any major homework or tests during that time, due to how few kids would actually attend classes.


Wisconsin?
 
2013-01-03 09:59:35 AM  
All that power and wealth and glorious leader still can only afford to use a spoon to cut his hair.
 
2013-01-03 10:02:40 AM  
What! A Fark thread this week not about guns?

Luckily Photo #15 saves it.


Looks like this from further away

hungeree.com
 
2013-01-03 10:04:33 AM  

Apos: [msnbcmedia.msn.com image 850x579]
"Pyongyang Elvis", mingling with doe-eyed devotees


Newest Leader: "I will make fark to several of them who show best promise of pleasing me."

Army Women: "Perhaps if I let him use all of my places he will seed me with his baby and then secretly provide me with foods."
 
2013-01-03 10:06:43 AM  
I honestly didn't think trolls stayed up that late at night. Must be holiday hours or flex-shift this month.
 
2013-01-03 10:08:47 AM  

publikenemy: If only the population had been allowed to own guns. Maybe then it'd be possible to mount some sort of resistance and fight for freedom rather than existing in some bizarro world where government leaders and military are one and are kings, while you merely exist in a predictable depressing shiathole of which there is no escape.


I like how you've some how been convinced of two pieces of propaganda and display your ignorance proudly for all to see.

1) Having legal guns isn't requisite to mounting a resistance, if that were true how come India is no longer ruled by the British? Also, due to the high number of military personnel in North Korea, its pretty safe to assume if people wanted a revolution they could access guns. Lastly, gun ownership isn't illegal in North Korea. Link and Wikipedia Link

2) You assume that the majority of citizens are dissatisfied with the North Korean government, however you have no facts or figures to back that up. You're relying entirely on world public opinion, one that is likely misinformed due to tight media controls there. Just because their leader is essentially a Monarch, it doesn't mean the people are angry with him. Many places in the world at some time or another had a monarch that was beloved by their people. Overall this underlying theme of your argument could have been written as "I'm an ignorant American, fark YEA!" (or wish that you were)
So please kindly take your ignorance to where it belongs, the politics tab.
 
2013-01-03 10:11:43 AM  
In North Korea a "school bus" is a bus powered by school children cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-01-03 10:24:30 AM  
o.onionstatic.comimages4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-03 10:29:14 AM  
Wow. Subby really needs to borrow my wife's dress. And tampons.
 
2013-01-03 10:30:18 AM  
I really don't care. They do this to themselves, so i have no sympathy.
 
2013-01-03 10:36:15 AM  

ShawnDoc: What's wrong with 12?


PRECIOUS SNOWFLAKES, MOF!!
 
2013-01-03 10:39:43 AM  

rynthetyn:
I added that to my long list of books that I don't have time to read.


Said while spending over 4 1/2 hours posting on Fark
 
2013-01-03 10:40:12 AM  

rynthetyn: thatboyoverthere: rynthetyn: The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.

The main reason is that they put so much effort in pretending that things don't suck there. And they spend so many resources that could be spent on a million different things rather then a faulty nuclear weapons program.

So we're going to just continue feeding the American populace propaganda in return? I'm sorry, but I'd like to know the actual truth and not the American propaganda version and that's what I feel like I'm getting all the time.

Heck, given the American propensity to invade other countries, I can even understand why North Korea might find it a wise spending decision to develop a nuclear capability. They're not idiots, they know that Pakistan gets treated differently because they've got nukes. But the propaganda version of the story doesn't even allow for the possibility that there might be rational reasons why North Korea would pursue nuclear weapons.

I'm not saying that North Korea isn't a corrupt and impoverished mess, I just want to see information about the place that doesn't reek of the same sort of propaganda that I got fed during the cold war.


Why dont you pick up a book? You can fill a library with the books about NORKS. Seriously, American propaganda? Use your ethernet port, chuckles.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:18 AM  
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-03 10:41:48 AM  

CujoQuarrel: I wonder if people try to grow their own food in their apartments/housing units. I'd definitely be growing some tomatoes and stuff.

Maybe we should teach them to grow sweet potatoes. Much better at calories per land unit


And raising rabbits.
 
2013-01-03 11:07:34 AM  

rynthetyn: my lip balm addiction: rynthetyn: miniflea: rynthetyn, if you want as unbiased a look as possible, read the first book I linked to in my above post. You'll hear directly from the mouths of North Koreans. It talks about the good as well as the bad, and it discusses the fact that many defectors are bitter over the decision to flee their homes. It really is an interesting read.

I added that to my long list of books that I don't have time to read.

Yeah - you "don't have time to read" and you sit here whining that you don;t have the right information or some stupid shiat. Get off your ass and go travel ya whiny fark.

You're adorable. You're completely brainwashed and are too stupid to know it.

Pro-tip, when in law school people don't have time to read anything outside of class and can't afford to travel to North Korea, which is a frigging expensive trip.

The grownups are talking, stop threadshiatting if you're incapable of contributing anything useful.


Apparently you don't have time to read a comic book. No one gives a shiat about your law school. You've gone on and on in multiple posts saying " oh, I wish I knew the true story of north Korea, not propaganda." Someone gave you that in a short form, and still you biatched at tl;Dr, claiming you don't have time. In that case, remove yourself from the conversation. You're the child here.
 
2013-01-03 11:13:18 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: rynthetyn: thatboyoverthere: rynthetyn: The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.

The main reason is that they put so much effort in pretending that things don't suck there. And they spend so many resources that could be spent on a million different things rather then a faulty nuclear weapons program.

So we're going to just continue feeding the American populace propaganda in return? I'm sorry, but I'd like to know the actual truth and not the American propaganda version and that's what I feel like I'm getting all the time.

Heck, given the American propensity to invade other countries, I can even understand why North Korea might find it a wise spending decision to develop a nuclear capability. They're not idiots, they know that Pakistan gets treated differently because they've got nukes. But the propaganda version of the story doesn't even allow for the possibility that there might be rational reasons why North Korea would pursue nuclear weapons.

I'm not saying that North Korea isn't a corrupt and impoverished mess, I just want to see information about the place that doesn't reek of the same sort of propaganda that I got fed during the cold war.

Well said, I remember the cold war stuff, all we saw in the US was the old ladies in bread lines and the military stuff, then the wall fell and it was supposed to be over and we see pretty young Russian girls on the street and kids skateboarding, wow fast turn around.


You were shown that to give you something you could relate to. "Hey, those Soviets aren't so different than us! Let's be friends!" What you are failing to mention is all of the failed infrastructure and the blatant corruption not to mention the debilitating alcoholism and general apathy and depression of the populace. Soviet communism would not have collapsed so abruptly if the people there or in the satellite countries had been as happy as you want to believe they were.
 
2013-01-03 11:20:54 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com

8 out of 10 would bang.

You think the fuzzy collar is standard issue?
 
2013-01-03 11:26:15 AM  

rynthetyn: It's pretty obvious that the media is misrepresenting reality when descriptions on photos are so far removed from what I can see with my own two eyes looking at the same photo. The US media does it with China all the time too--all my friends who have lived long term in China were fuming about the Olympic coverage because the reporting about China was so far removed from reality.


I'm only on page 3 of this thread, but you sound awwwwwfully similar to the youtube north korea plants. The commenters that say things like "oh I am just average american joe, living in my house of opulance and evil capitalism. This north korea sure sounds like a paradise to me!"

Get a brain, moran.
 
2013-01-03 11:28:46 AM  
If their women have loose morals, then Vive La Revolucion!
 
2013-01-03 11:34:34 AM  

DON.MAC: BHShaman: JesusJuice: How do you make a truck run on a barrel of burning wood?

On one of the "Perp-er" shows they had one of these and it could be hooked to a truck to run the main drive shaft (wheel), connected to a generator for electricity (home), and a whole host of other home essentials (for an Apocalypse) like a wood splitter, planer, belt knife sharpening, blacksmiths stove, etc.

Pretty neat overall and shows how ingenious people ALLOWED to invent can be.

Wood Powered Engine

A small leak produces enough carbon monoxide to kill in minutes.  Running one of these is about as healthy as putting the 1950 Ford in the garage and shutting the door while trying to tune it up.


So will a gas powered car. Producer Gas (aka: Wood gas, Syngas, Biogas) is the CLEANEST type of all fuel for the environment to include solar , nuclear and hydro . It is carbon negative. Completely renewable (remaining ash can be buried)

/currently retro-fitting my jeep for it.
//should get 1 mile per lb.
 
2013-01-03 11:35:19 AM  
None of them reading Fark???

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2013-01-03 11:36:41 AM  
oh...given enough land to plant source trees...it is FREE!
producer gas
 
2013-01-03 11:39:28 AM  
I can't believe they keep misspelling Sinanju like that. I hope Master Chiun doesn't see that insult.
 
2013-01-03 11:45:56 AM  

ItsJustJake: I can't believe they keep misspelling Sinanju like that. I hope Master Chiun doesn't see that insult.


He can be pretty incorrigible.
 
2013-01-03 11:46:02 AM  

jso2897:
The orientation is unimportant. The issue is totalitarianism - what happens when people are not allowed to vote on who runs their country, and how.
So the next time you read some post that extolls the virtues of voting restrictions to keep "poor and stupid" people from voting - remember these pictures.


Such a pretty strawman you built there....so anyone that wants someone to have a valid ID to eliminate voter fraud (non-citizens, absentee fraud, dead chicagoans voting, pay for votes, etc) is now in favor of totalitarianism?
 
2013-01-03 11:50:14 AM  

Silverstaff:
Seriously, put the strawman down. Look at the Nordic Model nations (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland) for countries that combined socialism, democracy, freedom and prosperity. Link


With the exception of Iceland (who had a large ocean buffer) all those nations were occupied by Nazi Germany and owe their freedom and prosperity to a non-socialist country.

/appropriate Godwin
 
2013-01-03 11:50:23 AM  
What's wrong with #12. Child labor was legal in the US until 1938. The average GOP supporter would cream himself to see such a scene in Murica.

mrclark.aretesys.com

/Don't get so smug.
 
2013-01-03 12:03:08 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Forty-Two: #35: There's no heat in that bookstore.

It doesn't appear to be overly contaminated by books either.


"Finest bookshop in the district!"
"Explain the logic underlying that conclusion."
"Well, it's so clean, sir!"
 
2013-01-03 12:06:54 PM  

volodya: Meethos: rynthetyn: I want an no propaganda look into North Korea!

...


Thank you for the pics. Amazing.

Do you know what crop is being grown between the rows of corn in "Gate Near Kowon North Korea"?
Soybeans??
 
2013-01-03 12:12:55 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I wonder if the amusement park ride attendant sat awake the entire night before Kim's visit in utter terror thinking "What if Dear Leader doesn't fit into the ride restraints?"


Dear Leader is dead.  "Dear Leader" was Kim Jong-il.  His father was "Great Leader" and his son, Kim Jong-un (the guy currently in charge) is just "Supreme Leader" or "Great Successor" for now, until they can come up with a better sobriquet.
 
2013-01-03 12:19:39 PM  

peterthx: Silverstaff:
Seriously, put the strawman down. Look at the Nordic Model nations (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Denmark and Finland) for countries that combined socialism, democracy, freedom and prosperity. Link

With the exception of Iceland (who had a large ocean buffer) all those nations were occupied by Nazi Germany and owe their freedom and prosperity to a non-socialist country.

/appropriate Godwin


What a "non-socialist nation" pushing the Germans out of Finland might look like

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-03 12:19:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Smashed Hat: JerkyMeat:
I believe you, but it wouldn't be to change the country, it would just to change that shiatty smug look at that fat farks face. Forever.
He looks like a spoiled asshole who could use a hole in his head.

I fail to see smugness in that expression. I can't see anything but 'duh'.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 850x574]

You kind of have to wonder what they did to him, because this is allegedly a picture of him when he was at school in Switzerland, about 2000.

[i.crackedcdn.com image 236x270]

The picture was verified by Esquire magazine as being from his school, so it's probably him...and if that's the case, he looks pretty much like a normal kid. So what the hell did his dad and the secret police do in the ten or eleven years between the time he one day vanished from school and then turned up running Best Korea? Seriously, he looks like he was subjected to some hardcore brainwashing.


There's a rumor, just a rumor, could be totally false, but supposedly in the first few days after he was informed he would probably become the new leader he talked a lot about reforming the country, making it more open, essentially a Korean form of  perestroika.  The story goes, he was abducted, shipped off to some detention facility, and "convinced" to do things more like how his father had done them.

This being North Korea we're talking about, there's really no way of knowing how much truth there is to this story, if any.
 
2013-01-03 12:23:39 PM  
miniflea:I don't recall which book it was in, but another anecdote for you- a defector describes making it across the Yalu river (border with China) and being desperately hungry and cold stumbled upon a bowl of rice and meat outside a house. It was only as he was eating it that he realized it must have been left out for the dogs, and it was better than he had eaten in years.

I'm not completely sure, but I read that anecdote in a book as well.  If it wasn't Nothing to Envy it might have been The Aquariums of Pyongyang.
 
2013-01-03 12:27:46 PM  
img268.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-03 12:32:41 PM  

RidersOfLohan: why is this crap sad? It's perfect. Perfect to send to all the idiots who were "edgy" and being leftie in college.

Also to all the 30-50 year old failures who post anti repub stuff on their facebook every day when they should really just an hero.


So you would rejoice at the suffering of millions if it helped you score points in an argument about politics.  You truly are a wonderful human being.
 
2013-01-03 12:37:15 PM  
Esn: It makes sense in its own way - if you can be open to the idea that the individual person is not the only level of consciousness that can deserve rights, that a larger group of people may form a super-consciousness. We already skirt around the edges of this idea even in our very individualistic society, when we talk about special treatment for certain groups of people (be it as broad as "women"). Advertisers are more than aware of it. But it's an idea that we try not to think about too much, while the North Koreans have fully embraced it (even more fully than the Soviets before them.

Did you choose your words really, really poorly, or are you seriously arguing that equal rights for women are "special treatment"?
 
2013-01-03 12:48:32 PM  
the homeless here are seen wearing coats
in nk they are wearing coats inside the buildings
maybe the reason we don't see many lights from there is
they huddle around them to keep warm.
 
2013-01-03 12:48:48 PM  

RamboFrog: So where are all the fawning reviews from the Odorize Wall Street crowd? Isn't this what they want? Free health care, free education, businesses not allowed to make a profit, 'economic justice'?


You know, when the rest of us have no clue whatsoever what we're talking about, we usually try to read up on it instead of screaming to the entire planet that we're ignorant and proud.

/There are notable exceptions, of course...
//Maybe you'd like a trip to Jersey Shore with your fellow 'free thinkers'?
 
2013-01-03 12:50:38 PM  

Fissile: What's wrong with #12. Child labor was legal in the US until 1938. The average GOP supporter would cream himself to see such a scene in Murica.

[mrclark.aretesys.com image 450x320]

/Don't get so smug.


You're a moron.
 
2013-01-03 01:03:50 PM  

rynthetyn: I really want to go visit North Korea. Aside from the fact that I need to check Kim Il Sung off my "Embalmed Communist Leaders World Tour" list, I'd like to see the country for myself. I always get the feeling that with places like Best Korea that the media is showing only what they want us to see that fits in with their narrative.


Coverage of NK really does vary by country. That should tell you something, too.

Flint Ironstag: Do North Koreans near the border get South Korea TV?


South Korean TV is smuggled across the border from China (on DVDs etc). The part of China near the NK border has a lot of Korean-background Chinese living there (Korean is one of the official minorities of China). Yes, there are people who cross the border and return voluntarily. Commerce happens.

rynthetyn: And this is why I want to go for myself--the "good" parts don't really look much different to me than other developing parts of the world that I've visited.


...and this.

Honestly? The pics in this article didn't look too bad or odd. Other than the complete lack of advertising which is usually what makes pics of NK (or Cuba) look so strange to us grown up under capitalism, the people are wearing normal clothes, even the kids in the border town, and it's not like kids in other farming parts of the world don't similarly have gigs hauling stuff around. The concrete buildings are stark with no signage but look like old post-war concrete blocks in Japan or South Korea, plenty of which people still live in now.

Heck, it doesn't look so different from China a few decades back either (in fact there are "nostalgia tours" from China to NK for that reason). I found the part about how the farmers are going to be allowed to keep (and presumably sell) more of their output interesting too, because that is how China started opening up as well. Ideally NK too would follow a soft opening path (they have special economic zone going as well, just like China started, though it tends to be on again off again lately).

A lot of the coverage in the US focuses on the prison camps, particularly coverage by missionaries. However, while those are a truly horrible thing (the idea that crimes make guilt for three generations in particular) it's not the entire populace. Not everyone is equally starving over there - if anything, the division is probably what helps keep the system going, because people in the "regular" layer (not just the elite people) can blame the people on the bottom for their own fate. Divide and conquer always works like a charm.
 
2013-01-03 01:07:15 PM  

Raithun: randomjsa: I still think the nighttime satellite images of the region are more telling than anything.

If you like those, NASA and the NOAA just released a new 'Black Marble' using Oct 2012 data from their fancy new Suomi NPP satellite. I don't mean to spoil the surprise, but North Korea still looks a lot like Mongolia, despite having ten times more people in a tenth the land. Perhaps they're just very assiduous about preserving dark skies for their amateur astronomers.

(Unrelated, but check out the Nile and the Indus Rivers. They look neat.)



....The North Sea has more lights than NK ..
 
2013-01-03 01:27:25 PM  

CujoQuarrel: I wonder if people try to grow their own food in their apartments/housing units. I'd definitely be growing some tomatoes and stuff.

Maybe we should teach them to grow sweet potatoes. Much better at calories per land unit


It's Not Allowed.  Growing your own food and eating it yourself, or selling it for cash, is an admission that you don't trust the State.

Although to be fair, I should say it is now permitted, within limits.  But keep in mind that many citizens live in cities (roughly 60 percent) and therefore may not own any land they could grow anything on.

There are other problems.  North Korea just doesn't have all that much decent farmland in the first place, for example.
 
2013-01-03 01:29:31 PM  

publikenemy: If only the population had been allowed to own guns. Maybe then it'd be possible to mount some sort of resistance and fight for freedom rather than existing in some bizarro world where government leaders and military are one and are kings, while you merely exist in a predictable depressing shiathole of which there is no escape.


Poe's Law in full effect here.
 
2013-01-03 01:34:46 PM  

karmachameleon: I have first-hand experience with communist countries where freedoms come at a premium, countries that were behind the Iron Curtain, and I know with my own eyes, ears and other senses what the quality of life was like in those countries. I can only imagine it's even worse in a family dictatorship like North Korea. I saw both the best of what they had (not very good) and the worst (more appalling than anything you could imagine exists in the US, where I have also seen the worst of what we have to offer). And when it comes to the plight of the North Koreans, you just sound like another asshole who doesn't know what the fark he's talking about. So consider keeping your trap shut until you pull your ignorant head out of your ass and learn a thing or two about the rest of the world, you entitled little prick, because when you post nonsense like this as if the comparison were valid, you tell us everything we need to know about you, while simultaneously saying nothing worthwhile about the subject you're attempting to enlighten everyone on.


Conversely, you're "I've been everywhere and seen everything and you know nothing" tirade makes me far LESS likely to take what you say in the future very seriously.

Learn a little humility.
 
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