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(The Atlantic)   New North Korean pictures. Looking at 12 and 23 together will both break your heart and make you want to punch your monitor. It's what the unicorns would have wanted   (theatlantic.com ) divider line
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2013-01-03 05:23:17 AM  
29 and 31 were the heartbreaking ones subby.
 
2013-01-03 05:29:14 AM  

Devil's Playground: Yeah! 'Cause it's so much better here in the civilized world, right? Right?
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Big differences: if you don't like the US (or whatever other free country you live in), you can leave and go somewhere else. If you don't like your job, you can quit and do something else, or start your own business, or hell, even do nothing at all. You can choose whatever hobbies you like, and at least here in the US, you don't have the right not to be offended, nor the obligation not to offend anyone else. But keep posting your myopic pictures in an attempt at clever snark to illustrate how the North Koreans are probably just fine, we just don't understand them, and they certainly don't need us anyway.

I have first-hand experience with communist countries where freedoms come at a premium, countries that were behind the Iron Curtain, and I know with my own eyes, ears and other senses what the quality of life was like in those countries. I can only imagine it's even worse in a family dictatorship like North Korea. I saw both the best of what they had (not very good) and the worst (more appalling than anything you could imagine exists in the US, where I have also seen the worst of what we have to offer). And when it comes to the plight of the North Koreans, you just sound like another asshole who doesn't know what the fark he's talking about. So consider keeping your trap shut until you pull your ignorant head out of your ass and learn a thing or two about the rest of the world, you entitled little prick, because when you post nonsense like this as if the comparison were valid, you tell us everything we need to know about you, while simultaneously saying nothing worthwhile about the subject you're attempting to enlighten everyone on.
 
2013-01-03 05:32:16 AM  

my lip balm addiction: rynthetyn: miniflea: rynthetyn, if you want as unbiased a look as possible, read the first book I linked to in my above post. You'll hear directly from the mouths of North Koreans. It talks about the good as well as the bad, and it discusses the fact that many defectors are bitter over the decision to flee their homes. It really is an interesting read.

I added that to my long list of books that I don't have time to read.

Yeah - you "don't have time to read" and you sit here whining that you don;t have the right information or some stupid shiat. Get off your ass and go travel ya whiny fark.


I feel I should point out that it is a short book, easily read in a single afternoon.
 
2013-01-03 05:40:29 AM  

my lip balm addiction: rynthetyn: miniflea: rynthetyn, if you want as unbiased a look as possible, read the first book I linked to in my above post. You'll hear directly from the mouths of North Koreans. It talks about the good as well as the bad, and it discusses the fact that many defectors are bitter over the decision to flee their homes. It really is an interesting read.

I added that to my long list of books that I don't have time to read.

Yeah - you "don't have time to read" and you sit here whining that you don;t have the right information or some stupid shiat. Get off your ass and go travel ya whiny fark.


You're adorable. You're completely brainwashed and are too stupid to know it.

Pro-tip, when in law school people don't have time to read anything outside of class and can't afford to travel to North Korea, which is a frigging expensive trip.

The grownups are talking, stop threadshiatting if you're incapable of contributing anything useful.
 
2013-01-03 05:40:30 AM  

rynthetyn: I want an no propaganda look into North Korea!


Protip, going to North Korea doesn't get you a "real Korea" tour. You get 2 to 4 days of propaganda. If you want to see what you will see without the travel expense, watch the Vice Guide North Korea episode. They actually go and film the tour that you will go on.
here is the link
 
2013-01-03 05:43:29 AM  

miniflea: I feel I should point out that it is a short book, easily read in a single afternoon.


It would have been nice if this conversation happened at the beginning of my break from classes, I'm back to stacks of casebooks starting day after tomorrow.
 
2013-01-03 05:51:45 AM  

rynthetyn: I always get the feeling that with places like Best Korea that the media is showing only what they want us to see that fits in with their narrative.


The Vice Guide was able to get visas and shoot a program there. Very eye-opening:

Link

North Korea is like China was thirty years ago in a lot of ways. It will probably become closer to China economically and politically over the next couple of decades as long as there are no wars or other crises to set the process back.
 
2013-01-03 05:52:08 AM  

rynthetyn: Raithun: rynthetyn:

Cambodia and Laos are just as dark as North Korea.

And they're not exactly shining beacons of good governance, either, but at least they keep to themselves and seem to have plans beyond "rattle sabers until food appears".

The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.


It's the only one I'm aware of that shows up that way intentionally. The fact that it borders such a rich nation just to the south speaks volumes. They could be the same - they could be one! - but they choose to live in poverty and behind the times, and starve together. Or rather, a small group of leadership who does not live behind the times and does not starve chooses that for the rest of the country, all in order so that that small group of leadership may live in luxury.

As I mentioned above, I've been to places that look a lot like North Korea (but dirtier - I'll give the NKs that, at least in the pictures we've seen, it all looks squeaky clean), and that were under similarly totalitarian rule at the time. It isn't "propaganda" that the people there generally are unhappy and would like something better - would like their freedom - though there are always those party members who think that the way things are is all for the best.

So, where have you been in the world? You mentioned these pictures not looking much worse than many other developing areas you've visited - where would those places be? And do those places, as a matter of government policy, intentionally strive to look the way that they do, or are they that way due to other reasons like poverty, lack of education, etc?

I visited Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they were under USSR rule, and stayed for weeks. The people I met were as fascinated about my Western lifestyle, music, movies, book, etcs as little children are fascinated with Santa Claus. They were generous and genuine people who shared with me all they had, which wasn't much - and these were "rich" people in their country. Probably the most educational experience of my childhood, it imprinted in me forever that I as a US citizen am privileged and fortunate, and to never take my fortune or my freedom for granted. Now, why would you believe that the information we have about NK is "propaganda" intended to fit a "narrative"? You sound like a genuinely inquisitive person, unlike the troll above, so I'd like to hear why you're so skeptical that people in the world might live under such a heavy thumb?

I too would love to visit there, but for reasons going back to experiencing what I once experienced in Eastern Europe. I don't doubt for a second that what NKans are experiencing today is something like that, and probably worse.
 
2013-01-03 05:53:09 AM  

ShawnDoc: What's wrong with 12?  When I was growing up (starting around age 10) I used to help with baling and loading hay.  We'd do a couple tons worth a day.  What are you some sort of city slicker who's never seen a farm?  Its normal for the kids to help out with manual labor when they're not in school.

/The start of deer season was also treated as a week long holiday, and teachers knew not to schedule any major homework or tests during that time, due to how few kids would actually attend classes.



Did you carry those tons on your back? Do you think the hay bales shown in the picture stack well?
 
2013-01-03 05:56:30 AM  

Meethos: rynthetyn: I want an no propaganda look into North Korea!

Protip, going to North Korea doesn't get you a "real Korea" tour. You get 2 to 4 days of propaganda. If you want to see what you will see without the travel expense, watch the Vice Guide North Korea episode. They actually go and film the tour that you will go on.
here is the link


Yeah, because it's totally impossible to read between the lines of what you're being told to figure out what's going on based on what's not being said.

 Watching documentaries only tells you so much, you learn a heck of a lot more from being there. I can't count how many times I've watched documentaries and read books that turned out to be complete bunk when I actually visited the place, and that's especially true with countries that have a tenuous relationship with America.
 
2013-01-03 06:00:59 AM  

karmachameleon: Devil's Playground: Yeah! 'Cause it's so much better here in the civilized world, right? Right?
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Big differences: if you don't like the US (or whatever other free country you live in), you can leave and go somewhere else. If you don't like your job, you can quit and do something else, or start your own business, or hell, even do nothing at all. You can choose whatever hobbies you like, and at least here in the US, you don't have the right not to be offended, nor the obligation not to offend anyone else. But keep posting your myopic pictures in an attempt at clever snark to illustrate how the North Koreans are probably just fine, we just don't understand them, and they certainly don't need us anyway.

I have first-hand experience with communist countries where freedoms come at a premium, countries that were behind the Iron Curtain, and I know with my own eyes, ears and other senses what the quality of life was like in those countries. I can only imagine it's even worse in a family dictatorship like North Korea. I saw both the best of what they had (not very good) and the worst (more appalling than anything you could imagine exists in the US, where I have also seen the worst of what we have to offer). And when it comes to the plight of the North Koreans, you just sound like another asshole who doesn't know what the fark he's talking about. So consider keeping your trap shut until you pull your ignorant head out of your ass and learn a thing or two about the rest of the world, you entitled little prick, because when you post nonsense like this as if the comparison were valid, you tell us everything we need to know about you, while simultaneously saying nothing worthwhile about the subject you're attempting to enlighten everyone on.


Relax, dude. It's just another intellectually dishonest argument - kind of like the righties in here comparing American liberals to the totalitarian Communists who run NK.
 
2013-01-03 06:02:09 AM  

fusillade762: A truck, retrofitted to run on a barrel of burning wood

That's pretty crafty. Wonder what kind of mileage it gets?


About 40 rods to the loghead. And that's the way they like it.
 
2013-01-03 06:02:17 AM  

Summoner101: FourBlackBars: Summoner101: FourBlackBars: The US has winners and losers and there is nothing wrong with that.  The DPRK only has winners and the starving.

Photo when US faced similar conditions to NK:
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Not even close. The total systemic cataclysm of North Korea can only be compared to the inequities of America by a grasping mind. Its like comparing a hunger strike to a famine.

The Great Depression and the Dust Bowl weren't systemic cataclysms? Cause that's the time when that photo is from. It's one of THE iconic photos of that period, in fact.


And it still has absolutely no comparative value. Those were bad times in America, to be sure, but were they self-inflicted by a totalitarian government? Did tens of millions starve because they government refused to provide for them? Is there an entire generation of Americans who are a foot shorter than everyone else due to years, perhaps even decades, of unending famine brought on by a repressive government? If someone wanted to leave America during the Dust Bowl or the Depression, did any American government agency forcibly stop them?

Seriously, some of you, stop it. If you are genuinely unable to tell the difference, and think that this is some sort of media propaganda (for what purpose?), all I can do is pity you, but at least stop alerting the rest of us to your ignorance.
 
2013-01-03 06:06:23 AM  

karmachameleon: Summoner101: FourBlackBars: Summoner101: FourBlackBars: The US has winners and losers and there is nothing wrong with that.  The DPRK only has winners and the starving.

Photo when US faced similar conditions to NK:
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Not even close. The total systemic cataclysm of North Korea can only be compared to the inequities of America by a grasping mind. Its like comparing a hunger strike to a famine.

The Great Depression and the Dust Bowl weren't systemic cataclysms? Cause that's the time when that photo is from. It's one of THE iconic photos of that period, in fact.

And it still has absolutely no comparative value. Those were bad times in America, to be sure, but were they self-inflicted by a totalitarian government? Did tens of millions starve because they government refused to provide for them? Is there an entire generation of Americans who are a foot shorter than everyone else due to years, perhaps even decades, of unending famine brought on by a repressive government? If someone wanted to leave America during the Dust Bowl or the Depression, did any American government agency forcibly stop them?

Seriously, some of you, stop it. If you are genuinely unable to tell the difference, and think that this is some sort of media propaganda (for what purpose?), all I can do is pity you, but at least stop alerting the rest of us to your ignorance.


Democracy does make a big difference. There are plenty of countries where the people can fire their government where they still have a crappy government - but nothing like the totalitarian morons that run NK. The party in charge there doesn't believe the common people should be allowed to vote for their leaders. Good thing we don't have any political parties here that want to keep people from voting.
 
2013-01-03 06:10:03 AM  

rynthetyn: Meethos: rynthetyn: I want an no propaganda look into North Korea!

Protip, going to North Korea doesn't get you a "real Korea" tour. You get 2 to 4 days of propaganda. If you want to see what you will see without the travel expense, watch the Vice Guide North Korea episode. They actually go and film the tour that you will go on.
here is the link

Yeah, because it's totally impossible to read between the lines of what you're being told to figure out what's going on based on what's not being said.

 Watching documentaries only tells you so much, you learn a heck of a lot more from being there. I can't count how many times I've watched documentaries and read books that turned out to be complete bunk when I actually visited the place, and that's especially true with countries that have a tenuous relationship with America.


Then what do you want, man? You can't visit, ok. It's expensive and who has time? You don't trust written or video sources to give you the whole picture, as if anyone who isn't a North Korean citizen even has the whole picture. So what do you want? None of us know authoritatively what North Korea is really like. It's not like any old outsider can visit and rent a car and drive off the beaten path. We can only suppose based on what we know from nations who have behaved similarly in the past. But you call that "propaganda". So what would satisfy you? An actual visit would get you nothing more than what's in that video, unless you were foolhardy enough to try and slip away on your own. You can post your complaints here all you want, but maybe the problem is in your own mind. Open it up a little. Not enough so that people throw garbage into it, but is it really so hard to believe that a secretive, repressive government can make life miserable for the little people? What would the purpose of such propaganda be, now that the Cold War is decades past?
 
2013-01-03 06:10:04 AM  
Child labor
Gun fetishism
Compulsory military service
Idolization of the military
Meritocracy
Plutocracy
Nepotism
Numerous examples of "Fark you, got mine" in action
Burning wood to make cars go

Looks like a Tea Party Republican's wet dream.
 
2013-01-03 06:11:44 AM  
I think if Kim Jong Un really does want to reform his country, he's constrained by 60 years of insistence that there's only one way to manage the country. If he's got any sense he'll be looking towards China. Countermanding his predecessors' entrenched philosophy would be difficult. I think if there's some agricultural reform that might be a good start. At least, in so far as providing the population with good nutrition. The Food and Argriculture Organization is active there, so that's something at least.
 
2013-01-03 06:12:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: ALL the people are poor and destitute in North Korea.


Well, all except Kim Jong-un and his inner circle, just as it was with his father.
 
2013-01-03 06:13:58 AM  
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2013-01-03 06:14:18 AM  

rynthetyn: thatboyoverthere: rynthetyn: The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.

The main reason is that they put so much effort in pretending that things don't suck there. And they spend so many resources that could be spent on a million different things rather then a faulty nuclear weapons program.

So we're going to just continue feeding the American populace propaganda in return? I'm sorry, but I'd like to know the actual truth and not the American propaganda version and that's what I feel like I'm getting all the time.

Heck, given the American propensity to invade other countries, I can even understand why North Korea might find it a wise spending decision to develop a nuclear capability. They're not idiots, they know that Pakistan gets treated differently because they've got nukes. But the propaganda version of the story doesn't even allow for the possibility that there might be rational reasons why North Korea would pursue nuclear weapons.

I'm not saying that North Korea isn't a corrupt and impoverished mess, I just want to see information about the place that doesn't reek of the same sort of propaganda that I got fed during the cold war.


Well said, I remember the cold war stuff, all we saw in the US was the old ladies in bread lines and the military stuff, then the wall fell and it was supposed to be over and we see pretty young Russian girls on the street and kids skateboarding, wow fast turn around.
 
2013-01-03 06:15:32 AM  
Looks like what Barack Obama will have America looking like in a few years...except for the wood-burning truck
 
2013-01-03 06:16:45 AM  

JudgeItoBox: Child labor
Gun fetishism
Compulsory military service
Idolization of the military
Meritocracy
Plutocracy
Nepotism
Numerous examples of "Fark you, got mine" in action
Burning wood to make cars go

Looks like a Tea Party Republican's wet dream.


The orientation is unimportant. The issue is totalitarianism - what happens when people are not allowed to vote on who runs their country, and how.
So the next time you read some post that extolls the virtues of voting restrictions to keep "poor and stupid" people from voting - remember these pictures.
 
2013-01-03 06:20:49 AM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Looks like what Barack Obama will have America looking like in a few years...except for the wood-burning truck


See, folks? You don't have to be a "leftist" to make intellectually dishonest comparisons!
 
2013-01-03 06:27:07 AM  

sethstorm: JesusJuice: How do you make a truck run on a barrel of burning wood?

Biogas


No, it's wood gas.
 
2013-01-03 06:28:24 AM  

traylor: sethstorm: JesusJuice: How do you make a truck run on a barrel of burning wood?

Biogas

No, it's wood gas.


They were common during the Depression. My grandfather had a farm tractor that ran on wood gas back in the thirties.
 
2013-01-03 06:29:10 AM  

jso2897: The orientation is unimportant.


Actually, it is important. And there's nothing intellectually dishonest about it: That list I gave might as well have been a summation of the talking points of the recent Republican primaries. You won't find any of those things (except the _____cracy's and nepotism, natch) in any platform that's even a skosh to the left of the ideology espoused by the current batch of tebagger nutbars.
 
2013-01-03 06:30:04 AM  
But yeah, totalitarianism sucks balls.
 
2013-01-03 06:33:14 AM  

j.carsey: 42 million Americans are on food stamps

This article is a little bit of propaganda


And then there is the alternative. There are American politicians who would love to cut food stamps, so the Mitt Romneys can hide their income and keep their 13% tax rate.
 
2013-01-03 06:33:18 AM  

Raithun: If you like those, NASA and the NOAA just released a new 'Black Marble' using Oct 2012 data from their fancy new Suomi NPP satellite.


I'm not sure how accurate this pic is...there's a lot of lights in the middle of Australia where there is a whole bunch of nothing but desert, no towns even big enough (except maybe one right in the middle) to raise a blip
 
2013-01-03 06:34:18 AM  

Puff The Destroyer: NOTICE.... you never see Psy AND Kim Jong-un together at the same time!


Psy has a tan, longer eyebrows, and whiter teeth. Plus he doesn't have an underchin(not quite a second chin), and his nose actually almost hooks down a bit.
 
2013-01-03 06:36:34 AM  

rynthetyn: Raithun: rynthetyn:

Cambodia and Laos are just as dark as North Korea.

And they're not exactly shining beacons of good governance, either, but at least they keep to themselves and seem to have plans beyond "rattle sabers until food appears".

The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.


I also noticed that 99% of the continent of Africa was also black without light at night.
 
2013-01-03 06:42:55 AM  

karmachameleon: rynthetyn: Raithun: rynthetyn:

Cambodia and Laos are just as dark as North Korea.

And they're not exactly shining beacons of good governance, either, but at least they keep to themselves and seem to have plans beyond "rattle sabers until food appears".

The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.

It's the only one I'm aware of that shows up that way intentionally. The fact that it borders such a rich nation just to the south speaks volumes. They could be the same - they could be one! - but they choose to live in poverty and behind the times, and starve together. Or rather, a small group of leadership who does not live behind the times and does not starve chooses that for the rest of the country, all in order so that that small group of leadership may live in luxury.

As I mentioned above, I've been to places that look a lot like North Korea (but dirtier - I'll give the NKs that, at least in the pictures we've seen, it all looks squeaky clean), and that were under similarly totalitarian rule at the time. It isn't "propaganda" that the people there generally are unhappy and would like something better - would like their freedom - though there are always those party members who think that the way things are is all for the best.

So, where have you been in the world? You mentioned these pictures not looking much worse than many other developing areas you've visited - where would those places be? And do those places, as a matter of government policy, intentionally strive to look the way that they do, or are they that way due to other reasons like poverty, lack of education, etc?

I visited Hungary and Czechoslovakia when they were under USSR rule, and stayed for weeks. The people I met were as fascinated about my Western lifestyle, music, movies, ...


North Korea is going to be poor as long as they're isolated from the rest of the world, but that's not the same as saying they are deliberately trying to have no infrastructure. Things with economic and infrastructure development are complicated and even if the north and south were unified tomorrow, it would take decades for things to catch up.

I've lived and worked in Vietnam and traveled extensively in southeast Asia and some in China, and what I see in those pictures as far as living conditions is fairly typical of the way that all but the wealthiest people live in all but the most modernized parts of Asia. We obviously don't know how the poor live in North Korea, but when I see people taking pictures like the ones in TFA and using them as "proof" of just how bad North Korea is, it's a sign of people who haven't gotten out much or who are easily susceptible to propaganda.

I'm not saying that North Korea isn't an incredibly controlled state that's not poor. What I'm saying is that when I see photos that are depicting what really is a decent standard of living in much of Asia--including in the less urban parts of more developed countries--being represented to me as something shocking and proof of how bad North Korea is, it's not an honest portrait of the place. Those photos don't show a place that's horrifically bad, they show a place that's in the process of developing.

There's no doubt that North Korea is a mess and that they try to tightly control journalists' access, but that's not a reason for misrepresenting reality. It's pretty obvious that the media is misrepresenting reality when descriptions on photos are so far removed from what I can see with my own two eyes looking at the same photo. The US media does it with China all the time too--all my friends who have lived long term in China were fuming about the Olympic coverage because the reporting about China was so far removed from reality.

/and with that I'm out, this is way past my bedtime
 
2013-01-03 06:44:57 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: JerkyMeat: I wish the U.S. would get something right for once and assassinate that fat pugsley of a leader.

IMHO, things wouldn't change much.


The general rule is that if you assassinate a dictator, either one of his cadre takes over and kills a load of people to secure his position, or one of his former opponents takes over and kills a load of people to secure his position. Change has to come from within, and while sometimes the death of a leader can trigger that, more often it tends to reinforce the regime in the long term as it just tends to make the regimes propaganda more believable - external attacks tend to create support for a strong leader even if they have committed atrocities.
 
2013-01-03 06:49:59 AM  

Dull Cow Eyes: rynthetyn: Raithun: rynthetyn:

Cambodia and Laos are just as dark as North Korea.

And they're not exactly shining beacons of good governance, either, but at least they keep to themselves and seem to have plans beyond "rattle sabers until food appears".

The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.

I also noticed that 99% of the continent of Africa was also black without light at night.


Then again a significant portion of Africa is either desert, thick jungle, or serengeti which most people don't want to live.
 
2013-01-03 07:00:40 AM  

JudgeItoBox: jso2897: The orientation is unimportant.

Actually, it is important. And there's nothing intellectually dishonest about it: That list I gave might as well have been a summation of the talking points of the recent Republican primaries. You won't find any of those things (except the _____cracy's and nepotism, natch) in any platform that's even a skosh to the left of the ideology espoused by the current batch of tebagger nutbars.


My point was that it doesn't matter what assholes the people in power are if you can vote them out. Democracy is the key here - not some "oriented" political philosophy.
 
2013-01-03 07:01:32 AM  

JerkyMeat: I wish the U.S. would get something right for once and assassinate that fat pugsley of a leader.


What good do you think that would do, precisely?
 
2013-01-03 07:08:04 AM  
Somebody had an attitude problem.

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2013-01-03 07:10:58 AM  

rynthetyn: The point is that everybody pretends that North Korea is the only country that shows up as black on the map, but it's not true. I'd like some perspective here because I feel like I'm being fed propaganda about North Korea instead of actual facts and information.


How many other countries are surrounded by light, such that you can clearly see national boundaries by using the lack of it? Including the other half of people who were the same country with the same gene pool and technology not 50 years ago, who is a major world economy?
 
2013-01-03 07:13:44 AM  
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Go Speed Racer Go!!
 
2013-01-03 07:20:56 AM  
Oblig

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2013-01-03 07:21:56 AM  
wtf.... a truck retrofitted to run on burning wood?
 
2013-01-03 07:23:03 AM  
Loads of AP photos in that gallery - AP are the only major agency to have a permanent office in Pyongyang, as it happens.
 
2013-01-03 07:24:06 AM  
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2013-01-03 07:30:55 AM  

Maul555: wtf.... a truck retrofitted to run on burning wood?


It is running wood gas which is partially combusted wood.  It has carbon monoxide levels that can kill nearly instantly.  It also has hydrogen and flames in the same area if that sounds like a good idea.

There is one TF that has been to NK at least 5 times and a few others that have been there once.  They all know about the same hotel.
 
2013-01-03 07:37:40 AM  
Why are we seeng so much propaganda about North Korea lately? Is the government/media preparing us for another war?
 
2013-01-03 07:38:54 AM  

p4p3rm4t3: [img580.imageshack.us image 438x390]


That one light you see?

That's that spotlighted portrait from the first picture.
 
2013-01-03 07:49:39 AM  
It seems that people are very complacent as whipped slaves. It's amazing any country has anything like freedom. I guess it's worse in places unlucky enough to have been conquered over and over again.
 
2013-01-03 07:51:40 AM  

Sobekneferu: My sister knew someone who had ended up going into North Korea (I didn't understand how, or whether it was even intentional.) He was caught, and apparently what they do when they catch a foreigner in the country is take him on a "tour" of the country to show off how great everything is. So they brought him to this park full of cheerful people passing the time. He noticed there was one guy a ways away who was painting a picture, presumably a landscape or something. He went to go see what the guy was painting, even though the guide seemed disinclined to want to do this. When he got over, he saw that this man was not actually painting anything: it was a blank canvas that he was just dragging a dry brush over.

And this Twilight Zone moment was when he realized the whole park scene was totally staged.


Ah yes, the ol' Potemkin village. Cuba did the same thing to Michael Moore, who in registering his visit to Cuba, believed he was going to get no better healthcare treatment than anyone else. His meltdown when John Stossel exposed him as a fraud is priceless.

jso2897: The orientation is unimportant. The issue is totalitarianism - what happens when people are not allowed to vote on who runs their country, and how.
So the next time you read some post that extolls the virtues of voting restrictions to keep "poor and stupid" people from voting - remember these pictures.


Irrelevant. People have the right to vote in all sorts of 3rd world backwater shiatholes. The common trend is an unrestrained government. If people in NK had free and fair elections, nothing would change since they raise people from birth to be subservient.
 
2013-01-03 07:53:23 AM  
Wow, this is a thread full of Troll...

North Korea is in a position similar to Cuba (not exactly alike, but very similar) in the fact that the citizens have to be the ones who rise up and say, "Enough of this garbage, we don't want to live like this anymore". Until then, we can be saddened, disappointed, guilt-laden and unhappy all we want, but it won't cause meaningful change.

Yes, I think we all agree that when you visit somewhere like NK or Cuba, you only get to see the pretty places (relatively speaking) and you never get the whole picture. You see what they want you to see. I don't know anyone from NK, but I know a lot of folks who are originally from Cuba and the stories they tell make me grateful to live in the US, despite all our issues and havenots, we are still better off.

I'm not actually sure how many Americans (myself included) would fare in NK and the atmosphere where the "ruler" is the subject of Big Brother worship. I hope the citizens decide they want to make some changes soon.
 
2013-01-03 07:55:16 AM  

DustBunny: Raithun: If you like those, NASA and the NOAA just released a new 'Black Marble' using Oct 2012 data from their fancy new Suomi NPP satellite.

I'm not sure how accurate this pic is...there's a lot of lights in the middle of Australia where there is a whole bunch of nothing but desert, no towns even big enough (except maybe one right in the middle) to raise a blip


You're right there's nothing out there in the mid-west of Oz. I would guess these are bushfires. Makes me wonder about the rest of the map also.

/Fire bomb Best Korea ... Problem solved???
 
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