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2013-01-03 02:23:33 AM
Arizona tag?
 
2013-01-03 02:24:07 AM

robohobo: BAN FACEBOOK!


Guns don't kill people. Taking pictures while holding guns kills people.

We need to ban picture taking.
 
2013-01-03 02:28:23 AM

degenerate-afro: the_chief: degenerate-afro: the_chief: Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire!!!

/It's like some people have no training at all.

Why was the gun even loaded?

They're all loaded.

I meant "why didn't they check the chamber and magazine".

I realize from the perspective of gun safety that the gun is always loaded (yes, I taken a gun safety course), but from a "no seriously, how did this happen" standpoint, if you are going to take a picture with a gun, you should double, triple, quadruple check everything before doing anything else.


Yes you should, but if let's face it, if you're smart enough to figure that out, you probably don't have the overpowering urge to take pictures of yourself with a gun to your head.

It's kind of like how people who shouldn't have children are often the ones with the most. People who are too stupid to handle firearms safely are often the ones who think it's a great idea to get them and keep them around the house where they can play with them whenever they want to.
 
2013-01-03 02:28:33 AM

the_chief: degenerate-afro: the_chief: degenerate-afro: the_chief: Finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire!!!

/It's like some people have no training at all.

Why was the gun even loaded?

They're all loaded.

I meant "why didn't they check the chamber and magazine".

I realize from the perspective of gun safety that the gun is always loaded (yes, I taken a gun safety course), but from a "no seriously, how did this happen" standpoint, if you are going to take a picture with a gun, you should double, triple, quadruple check everything before doing anything else.

And never, even if it's funny, point it at anything you do not wish to completely destroy.


1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point you weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3. Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4. Keep your weapon on safe until you intend to fire.
5. Know your target and what lies beyond and between.

/4 weapon safety rules.
//Yes I know there are 5, anyone who has worked with marines will get it.
 
2013-01-03 02:29:04 AM

ZAZ: A 19-year-old woman accidentally shot dead her brother while posing with a gun for Facebook photos on New Year's Eve.

In Massachusetts on New Year's Eve two best friends decided to settle an argument. Which is faster, drawing a gun or a knife? The gun won.


2.bp.blogspot.com

It clearly wasn't against him.
 
2013-01-03 02:38:07 AM
1/Handling firearm while drinking
2/point loaded firearm at someone's head
3/pull the trigger.

Where is the accident ?
 
2013-01-03 02:38:32 AM
I'm assuming they took multiple photos of them holding a gun to his head. I have no idea why you would need more than one to prove you're crazy insane.
 
2013-01-03 02:38:44 AM
seems to me someone needs to give this girl a badge and a uniform. she is quite adept at knowing whom should be killed on sight. She will easily make chief of police.
 
2013-01-03 02:39:16 AM
www.hotflick.net
YES!!!
 
2013-01-03 02:41:16 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Why do people wear hats with other cities' names on them? Seriously, is any city more different city away from Chicago than Pheonix?


Seriously? It's about sports teams. It's why you'll always have a Cubs/Packers fan somewhere in your city limits at all times.
 
2013-01-03 02:42:44 AM

gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.


True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

www.browning.com
 
2013-01-03 02:44:35 AM

fusillade762: gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.

True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

[www.browning.com image 400x272]


I didn't know such a safety feature existed, but that seems like something that should be included in every semi-auto handgun.
 
2013-01-03 02:51:22 AM

mamoru: Darth_Lukecash: The most dangerous gun is an unloaded gun.

Indeed. If people just kept to the philosophy that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun and treat their guns accordingly, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

Every time a story like this comes up, I hate how they are called accidents. Since the answer to these three questions is almost certainly "yes", it should be classified as some form of homicide (at least manslaughter, if not some degree of murder) and prosecuted accordingly: was the gun loaded? was the gun pointed at the victim? was the shooter's finger on the trigger?

Given the basic rules of firearms safety, answering yes to those questions should show intent, IMNSHO, even though what it usually shows is stupidity and ignorance.

From TFA: Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system.

Screw that. She should be charged with manslaughter anyway.


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MaaannnSLAAAAAAUUUGGGHHHTTERRRR! I slaughtered a man!
 
2013-01-03 03:03:37 AM
I feel a song coming up.....

www.powned.tv
 
2013-01-03 03:04:45 AM

zobear: ZAZ: A 19-year-old woman accidentally negligently shot dead her brother while posing with a gun for Facebook photos on New Year's Eve.

/fixed that for the author


No, in this case it's totally possible it was an accident. Anyone this dumb is entirely capable of shooting someone by accident. Negligence implies a duty to act (in this case responsibly) and a breach of that duty; whereas accident implies a chain of events beyond anyone's control. And when you reach this level of stupidity, it's well beyond any human control.

Which doesn't absolve her at all, of course; merely that she should be carefully monitored like any dumb animal incapable of controlling its own actions.
 
2013-01-03 03:05:34 AM
This is why we can't have nice YOLOs.

Imma be waiting for them presidential tears...
 
2013-01-03 03:20:08 AM
img541.imageshack.us

I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that this family hasn't gone through a safety course.
 
2013-01-03 03:21:03 AM

Serious Black: fusillade762: gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.

True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

[www.browning.com image 400x272]

I didn't know such a safety feature existed, but that seems like something that should be included in every semi-auto handgun.


Yeah, it's the 100 million before those you have to worry about.
 
2013-01-03 03:24:09 AM

Lsherm: [img541.imageshack.us image 306x423]

I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that this family hasn't gone through a safety course.


What was your first clue, that the gun is against his head or that his finger is against the trigger?
 
2013-01-03 03:25:22 AM
Birth Control

Because If You Aren't Careful,
One Of These Could Be Yours.
 
2013-01-03 03:45:12 AM

Lsherm: Serious Black: fusillade762: gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.

True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

[www.browning.com image 400x272]

I didn't know such a safety feature existed, but that seems like something that should be included in every semi-auto handgun.

Yeah, it's the 100 million before those you have to worry about.


and just when you think it's fool proof because a gun won't fire with the magazine out your brother's gun doesn't have that feature
 
2013-01-03 03:50:20 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why was the headline changed to not the actual headline?


I noticed that too. Evidently you and I are the only ones who know it's not the actual headline.
 
2013-01-03 03:51:17 AM

Lsherm: I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that this family hasn't gone through a safety course.


Bet he doesn't even know that's the Punisher's logo on his hat.  Of course at this point, what he does know is sitting in a bag in the morgue.
 
2013-01-03 04:17:25 AM
Remind me again why deporting people like this is a bad idea?

And, before you think me a troll, yes, I admit there is no evidence that they were here illegally..... but what are the odds that either they or their parents came here legally?
 
2013-01-03 04:18:45 AM

Serious Black: fusillade762: gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.

True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

[www.browning.com image 400x272]

I didn't know such a safety feature existed, but that seems like something that should be included in every semi-auto handgun.



It doesn't matter. The gun is still loaded.
 
2013-01-03 04:21:33 AM
Can we make one of the new-world gun rules read as following?

"There is no such thing as a safety feature."
 
2013-01-03 04:24:18 AM

Dimensio: Snargi: Even drunk, I check to see of the piece is unloaded, or at least unchambered, before I do stupid stuff with it.

I refuse to touch any firearm (unless secured entirely within a case, and only if moving the cased firearm to a secure location) within six hours of consuming any alcoholic beverage.

I apply the same self-restriction to operation of a motor vehicle.


You're fun at parties aren't you?
 
2013-01-03 04:24:23 AM
I've posted this csb before but:

Well when it comes to guns the biggest safety is the one between your ears. Some people, and they come in every colour and creed, are perfectly capable of responsibly owning firearms and can safely clean them, clear them, store them, keep them away from children etc. Some people I wouidn't trust with a piece of string.... Wasn't it a month or so ago that some dumbass shot his friend at a shooting range they snuck on because he was clearing his modified gun?

A little over 20 years ago I was in a Hunters Safety class waiting for it to begin. The class clown comes in with about 2 minutes to spare, picks up an (empty, partially disassembled) rifle off one of the desks and starts waving it around making pow pow pow noises and pointing it at people. Instructor takes it away and literally throws him out of the class.

Some people just can't handle firearms.
 
2013-01-03 04:26:42 AM
Rule 1: You don't play with guns. Ever. They are not toys.
Rule 2: If someone hands you a gun you check to see if it's loaded.
 
2013-01-03 04:28:32 AM

maram500: Dimensio: Snargi: Even drunk, I check to see of the piece is unloaded, or at least unchambered, before I do stupid stuff with it.

I refuse to touch any firearm (unless secured entirely within a case, and only if moving the cased firearm to a secure location) within six hours of consuming any alcoholic beverage.

I apply the same self-restriction to operation of a motor vehicle.

You're fun at parties aren't you?


Maybe a pilot.  FAA rules are about that strict if you expand it to 8 hours.
 
2013-01-03 04:32:49 AM

the_peddler: Serious Black: fusillade762: gregscott: They probably made sure the gun was "unloaded" by removing the "clip".

Tip: if a pistol has a round in the chamber, removing the magazine will not unload the round in the chamber.

True. However some pistols have magazine disconnects that prevent the weapon from firing if the magazine is removed. This one, for one example:

[www.browning.com image 400x272]

I didn't know such a safety feature existed, but that seems like something that should be included in every semi-auto handgun.

It doesn't matter. The gun is still loaded.


Yes, there's only so much stupid safety measures can correct for. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't use low-cost measures that will stop at least some of these idiots from killing people, including themselves. And I'm still all for making people take gun safety lessons before they're allowed to buy a gun.
 
2013-01-03 04:48:43 AM
Magazine disconnects would be great if all magazines were perfect and they didn't sometimes make your gun not work even though you put the mag in. 'Oh, sorry Mr Rapist, just give me a second to reseat this magazine and I'll be right with you.'
 
2013-01-03 05:01:58 AM
I'm sorry, but... "sister"? Is he pre-op? That's not a woman.
 
2013-01-03 05:08:29 AM
25 years ago, I lived in a ticky tacky little apartment building. The apartment next to me was occipied by a nice kid who had just become a deputy sheriff, and his very, very smokin' hot, very, very airhead girfriend (bonus: her name was actually Tara).

We all became friendly, playing cards, he'd be working and I'd drive her and the other waitresses she worked with to the club, make sure nobody bothered them. All good.

One day she calls me up, middle of a weekday. Says she's making lunch, I should come over and hang out. Sure, why not, we're friends.

I walk in, and she's pointing a 30.06 rifle at me. It was her boyfriend's, she thought it would be funny. Without thinking, I grab it, very hard, and well, she got whacked in the head very, very hard by the stock. She was crying and mad and pretty pissed off. I was...indifferent.

She called her boyfriend the deputy sheriff, who proceeded to chew her out and really, really get her crying. I could hear him through the receiver in the phone. Then I guess he told her to give me the phone, where upon he and I proceeded to apologize to each other. "I'm sorry for whacking your girlfriend in the head with your rifle." "No, she deserved it, good lesson, so sorry she did that." "Yeah, I kinda came close to soiling myself there, I don't like guns pointed at me." etc.

They broke up soon after, though I would like to think that was a symptom not a cause.
 
2013-01-03 05:15:27 AM
I knew the gun was loaded, but I didn't think it killed, everything exploded and the blood began to spill
 
2013-01-03 05:26:35 AM
I am so farking sick of this shiat.
 
2013-01-03 05:31:03 AM
Wow. I guess it's a good thing (or bad for them) that the constitution didn't make intelligence a requirement to own a gun. I'm willing to guess this weapon wasn't registered or even legal.

Dumasses everywhere.
 
2013-01-03 05:43:25 AM
Brainless.
 
2013-01-03 05:50:21 AM
Juan Carlos is unimpressed.
 
2013-01-03 06:04:55 AM
Did anyone mention that we've unearthed another set of responsible gun owners?
 
2013-01-03 06:19:23 AM
'He was a very close friend to everybody. He was just always there and it's sad because one second he's here and the other he's not.'

You'd have to be, to get the sheer quantity of help you'd need to survive to the age you can buy a handgun while suffering that level of stupidity.

It takes a village to raise an idiot, or something.
 
2013-01-03 06:22:09 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-03 06:22:30 AM

Gyrfalcon: Lsherm: [img541.imageshack.us image 306x423]

I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that this family hasn't gone through a safety course.

What was your first clue, that the gun is against his head or that his finger is against the trigger?


I was gonna say... They didn't even get the two minute NRA lecture or were specifically trying to break every rule. Seems a safe bet the weapon didn't come through legal channels.

/always treat the gun as loaded, keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
/never point a gun at anything you don't intend to destroy, be aware of your target and what is behind your target.
 
2013-01-03 06:35:17 AM
I fail to see anything wrong with this
I am a huge fan of idiots shooting each other
I hope it hurt
and I hope he lives a long crippled life where she has to wipe for him
over
and over
and over
infinitely
(don't forget the taint)
 
2013-01-03 06:36:21 AM

mamoru: Darth_Lukecash: The most dangerous gun is an unloaded gun.

Indeed. If people just kept to the philosophy that there is no such thing as an unloaded gun and treat their guns accordingly, this kind of crap wouldn't happen.

Every time a story like this comes up, I hate how they are called accidents. Since the answer to these three questions is almost certainly "yes", it should be classified as some form of homicide (at least manslaughter, if not some degree of murder) and prosecuted accordingly: was the gun loaded? was the gun pointed at the victim? was the shooter's finger on the trigger?

Given the basic rules of firearms safety, answering yes to those questions should show intent, IMNSHO, even though what it usually shows is stupidity and ignorance.

From TFA: Phoenix Police Sgt Steve Martos said the victim's sister would likely be charged with manslaughter if tests conclude she had alcohol in her system.

Screw that. She should be charged with manslaughter anyway.


To be fair, it's actually very easy for a gun to be accidentally fired. A round could get lodged in the chamber and not get ejected. Or, better yet, you could get debris stuck in the barrel of a gun before shooting a blank. Look at what happened to Brandon Lee whilst filming The Crow.

I'm not saying that she shouldn't be charged with manslaughter, mind you. It's an accident in that it wasn't meant to happen. But the fact is that she was playing with a gun that wasn't visually inspected to not have a round in it, which is what should instantly make it manslaughter, alcohol or not.

As a note, whenever I pull out my bolt action rifle, for instance, I always take the bolt off and do a bore and magazine inspection. It's slightly harder for a semi-automatic pistol, a basic disassembly of a semi-automatic handgun (I'm talking slide removal, barrel inspection, and slide insertion) should take no more than 30 seconds if you're slow.
 
2013-01-03 06:44:36 AM
Definitely a good stroke on the side of "gun safety class for everyone in school, once a year, no exceptions". Gun-haters learn how to avoid shooting through schools if they trip on a gun, kids who will be exposed to guns more regularly will learn the basics "don't do this" kind of stuff. It's be a cheap hour or so, and afterward at least some of these accidental discharges could be prevented. We live with that many guns, it's just good common sense. Not that I'm asking for a return of nation-wide high school gun clubs (though it wouldn't hurt), but educating kids on gun safety from a young age, and reinforcing it annually, has to make sense on an intuitive level.
 
2013-01-03 06:55:31 AM

iron_city_ap: Never point a gun at something you don't intend to shoot


The gun must always be pointing at something, surely?
 
2013-01-03 06:55:35 AM

efgeise: To be fair, it's actually very easy for a gun to be accidentally fired.


And it's on slightly more difficult to avoid accidental discharges. No modern firearm in good repair will "fire itself", even when dropped. If you're going to aim a weapon at someone, you're an idiot, but you should go well beyond the basics of clearing a weapon. If you're going to aim a loaded weapon at someone you don't intend to kill (blanks count), you should be OCD and have at least one other person doing duplicate checks on every weapon and ammunition the moment before handing it to someone to use. Accidental discharges are easy to do, if you're sloppy and lazy, and are prone to be dangerous anyway.
 
2013-01-03 06:57:06 AM

efgeise: To be fair, it's actually very easy for a gun to be accidentally fired. A round could get lodged in the chamber and not get ejected. Or, better yet, you could get debris stuck in the barrel of a gun before shooting a blank. Look at what happened to Brandon Lee whilst filming The Crow.


Again it's important to point out that, while the words are used interchangeably sometimes, there is a great deal of difference between something happening entirely by accident and something happening due to negligence. An accidental discharge happens due to unlikely or unforseeable occurrences, or in spite of significant safety precautions. A negligent discharge happens because you chambered a round and then pulled the trigger and you're a farking moron.

It's fairly easy for a gun to be negligently fired. An actual accident in the sense of no one being at fault is actually incredibly rare. You have to have several simultaneous points of failure for a modern firearm to go off when it's not supposed to, the likelihood of one of them not being a person handling the thing farking up is almost zero.
 
2013-01-03 07:00:31 AM
assholes like these make non-gun-owners afraid of all guns. in this case, i'd say Darwin did us a favor.
 
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