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2013-01-02 10:18:24 PM
6 votes:

Mentat: My only issue is that Steam crashes all the time.


This would be a pretty big issue for me.  Still, I think 8's biggest problem is that MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.  Otherwise, 7 is going to have legs like XP did.  And I say this as an IT professional.

My next Windows laptop will run Windows 8, no doubt, but my gaming rig at the house is bumping along just fine with 7 and probably will for the next two years, so I'm not running out to upgrade it no matter how cheap it is.

Hell, even Apple is getting farking stupid with the updates.  I've gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion to Mountain Lion and each time the "improvements" don't really seem to outweigh the inconveniences.  I just upgraded to iTunes 11 and while Apple is telling me how great it is, do you know the only thing I notice about it?  I can't double click on the top of the window to minimize it anymore.  That's it.  I could give less of a shiat about the rest of the changes - they took away one "feature" that has been a standard for every Mac App for the past 6 years.

At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-02 09:43:34 PM
4 votes:
It's faster and needs less memory.  If some people can't figure out the simple changes, then just keep using 7.
2013-01-03 11:52:39 AM
3 votes:
serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.

Damn are people stupid. What I find interesting is that 90% of all the "problems" that people claim to have with Windows 8 are purely due to their own incompetence - especially when it's folks that claim they're profession IT specialists.

Remote desktop:
- First off: You can still fire off your old remote sessions by typing 'remote' and launching the venerable, built in "Remote Desktop Connection" application that's always been baked into the OS. Nothing has changed with your standard software - heck, they even improved it by finally allowing the program to automatically determine the detail/experience based of the connection speed.

- Secondly: If you decide to go the route of downloading the touch "Remote desktop" interface via the app store, it too can run multiple connection interfaces. Below is an example of running 3 sessions via the Remote Desktop touch application, along the right side of the screen (and it's pretty damned easy to see how to add another session, hit the big god damned + symbol, or if it's in full screen mode, hit the icon on the top of the screen to bring up more sessions). That is in addition to running the standard RDC on the desktop. Look at that, I can run unlimited amounts of sessions, via a touch interface, or the old interface - or a mixture of both. It's not friggen rocket science.

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2013-01-03 01:50:45 AM
3 votes:
When the best thing that can be said about your operating system is "there's an aftermarket hack that makes it suck less," then you haven't exactly written a winner.
2013-01-03 12:36:11 AM
3 votes:

MrEricSir: Thunderbird


Thunderbird's appearance is highly customizable and skin-able besides. If you don't like all the buttons and folders and crap, go play with the stuff in the View menu until it's the way you want it and/or hit up the themes gallery to find something. If you're enough of a nerd to want Thunderbird instead of webmail, you can take five minutes to make it look the way you like.

serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.


Have you never heard of Terminals? Because it's kind of awesome.

jeffdo1: No, MS will never beat Apple at the tablet game. They need to stop playing me too, me too.


The thing is, Apple's tablet experience is bar none the worst I've had, between the ridiculous data format requirements, inability to connect to file servers and data segregation between applications (yes, that is nerd stuff that only nerds care about but holy god does it all piss me off). The biggest problem with Microsoft right now is less "me too, me too" and more the fact that they're trying to be hip and cool and pretend that they're a lifestyle brand like Apple or Nike. Microsoft grew up and turned in to IBM. The people who need to be excited and interested in new versions of Windows aren't consumers but business decision-makers. Consumers are just going to take whatever they get and like it no matter what. The perfect justification for a Microsoft tablet isn't "We're just like Apple" but "Hey, this thingy is the same shape, size and weight as Apple but oh yeah it'll actually connect to a shared network folder and open a document in a fully functional editor that humans are actually familiar with without making a shiatload of work for you or your IT staff."
2013-01-02 11:42:31 PM
3 votes:
Is there a guy out there running some obscure distribution of Linux that keeps submitting these articles hoping against hope that maybe everyone will give up on Windows and come across to Open Source? That only if we tried Linux Mint we'd give up on all that convenience that Windows has and embrace the path of Stallman?

In reality - there were "Windows XP is a turd" and "Windows 7 is a failure" articles as well.

Using Windows 8. Not having problems with it.

/CSB
2013-01-02 11:41:16 PM
3 votes:
I've got 60 seats running Windows 8. The weirdness between control panel and settings in metro is the only real annoyance I have, but from a system admin/support perspective it's way, way better than Vista ever was. Metro is stupid but, once again, nobody actually has to use it. You can either limp along until you're up to speed with Metro or install a start menu replacement like Classic Start or you can just put shortcuts on your desktop and/or pin shiat to the taskbar, which is pretty much all that about 85% of Windows 2000/XP/Vista/7 users did anyway.
2013-01-02 11:13:12 PM
3 votes:

Lsherm: This would be a pretty big issue for me.  Still, I think 8's biggest problem is that MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.  Otherwise, 7 is going to have legs like XP did.  And I say this as an IT professional.


Not just that; you don't have a major reason to switch computers that often if you're not a gamer. Hell, last fall I went from winxp to win7. I have no reason to even consider windows 8 for at least.... 4-5 years, minimum.
2013-01-02 10:51:52 PM
3 votes:
As someone who has to support it (indirectly) no it isn't. It can be difficult for some people to adjust to the new UI, but otherwise it is basically win7 with a facelift.
2013-01-03 08:52:59 AM
2 votes:
My computer is not a phone, and the desktop interface is crippled with no start menu, and the ribbon instead of proper pulldown menus. Windows 8 is an abomination. Zippy the pinhead should be fired.
2013-01-03 08:14:53 AM
2 votes:
It may be easy to ascribe the disappointing sales numbers with Windows 8 as cyclical in Microsofts development history, but it may go deeper than that. Is there really a need for a new operating system at this juncture? Consumers have reached a stage with computers that they do most everything they want and at the speed they want it to happen. Technology as a whole is likely to see a massive slow down in sales as newer hardware/software offers increasingly smaller gains.
2013-01-03 07:43:44 AM
2 votes:
@Home
Upgraded from XP to win 8.
Installed classic shell. Skips right to desktop mode.
Problems? Finding control panel.
Solution: Take 10 minutes and actually learn something
Difficulty: uh.. accepting things change?

Also : Its just as good as 7 for games.
2013-01-03 07:11:01 AM
2 votes:

CujoQuarrel: What's as Metro app as compared to a standard program


standard program:
www.cmec-hb.com
metro app:
imgc.classistatic.com
2013-01-03 02:30:04 AM
2 votes:

Flint Ironstag: 1) Only Metro apps opened in the Metro interface. If you open a traditional program in the traditional desktop it is as it always was.


This alone is a reason to never use Windows 8. It has two separate interfaces running at the same time. That's exceptionally retarded UI design and the guy who thought it was a good idea to have too different desktop interfaces, which have two different sets of rules for using them, running on the same machine at the same time should be FIRED immediately.

What makes it ever more stupid, WIndows RT, an OS with no background app support, has two different interfaces for it's apps two. Not all Metro apps are created equal. Office on RT, a brand new application for an operating system designed to be run entirely on tablets, runs in the old desktop UI. That is stupid. Really stupid. In order to use RT, a 100% brand new OS sold exclusively on Tablet hardware, you MUST own a Keyboard and mouse. Microsoft seriously though tablet owners would want to get a KB/M for their tablet for SOME Metro apps.

As least Apple was smart enough to make iWork on the iPad a touch interface and priced it accordingly. If you want the full desktop version of iWork, run it on a full desktop computer. Office on RT should have been done the same exact way, there's no excuse for that level of interface inconsistency.
2013-01-03 02:01:45 AM
2 votes:

Flint Ironstag: A real step backwards in functionality.


And for no legitimate reason. I think I'll install it at work so that I'm familiar with it(If we have enough licenses, that is), but for real-world use, I think I'll stick with 7, I've been happy with it since the public beta, it's nice and solid. My Boss' theory is that Windows has to alternate garbage and success, so maybe their next iteration will be good. One thing I know: If Windows wants to keep getting customers, they need to stop with this multiple-versions bullshiat. There is no reason for it, and all they do is turn off features, it's not like the different versions are different from the ground up. One OS, one price. I understand that they aren't selling ridiculously priced hardware like Apple, so their OS has to cost more, but the idiocy of trying to sell me a gutted version is really starting to piss me off.
2013-01-03 01:34:22 AM
2 votes:
I use windows 8 and 2012 everyday at work.

I can run multiple RDP sessions at the same time on my laptop.

And when I run RDP in fullscreen mode I only get the charm bar and start menu for the RDP session.

I don't believe some of the people posting in this thread.
2013-01-03 12:46:14 AM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button.
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box? Which start menu would I be hovering over?


Windows 9 Inception.
2013-01-03 12:03:57 AM
2 votes:

Sargun: Sid_6.7: Mentat: And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button.

Yeah, but that's a pretty big deal IMO.

The Start button was really intuitive. It was obvious you were to click on it. Without that, you're staring at the desktop wondering "the f*ck do I do now?!" unless you have special knowledge of how their touch-centric POS works.

They've had a Start button for about 17 years, and suddenly they ditch it. Imagine if Apple put out a new version of iOS that removed the "Slide to Unlock" feature, and replaced it with the user needing to understand that they had to swipe in from one of the screen edges. Most people would be staring at the phone wondering how the hell to unlock it, and unable to get on the internet with it to learn what cruel joke had been played on them.

Step one: click once to start up Metro
Step two: click on the program you want to run

It's literally faster than with the Start button, and easier too. No more accidentally switching columns or clicking on the wrong text line.


Oh you mean like desktop icons did since Windows 2?
2013-01-02 11:36:40 PM
2 votes:
I like it. It's faster and has a smaller "footprint." I've had zero issues with steam, as mentioned above.
2013-01-02 11:23:07 PM
2 votes:

Lsherm: At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.


I understand why MS made the move.  Their core business is under assault and they needed to move into the tablet era.  And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button.  The learning curve wasn't nearly as bad as I had heard.  That said, the Maddenization that you talked about does get annoying.
2013-01-02 11:02:58 PM
2 votes:
I started thinking it would be good to install on my HTPC, but turns out none of the app developers really care about keyboard/remote control interfaces.  The Netflix app is useless without a mouse.

On my work PC it's annoying the fark out of me when it launches fullscreen-only apps and shiat starts popping up when I move my mouse to the side of my monitor.  Hey Microsoft, sometimes I just like putting the cursor over there so it's out of the way.  I'm not really interested in shutting down the computer, changing volume, adding a printer, or sharing files right now.

The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.  And here's your Zen moment: You get to the start menu by hovering the mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen until a start button pops up.  If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button. 
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box?  Which start menu would I be hovering over?
This is kind of one of those "tree falling in the woods" questions, because somebody would have to install Windows 8 on more than 1 machine for that to ever be an issue...
2013-01-03 01:42:03 PM
1 votes:

burndtdan: MrSteve007: Pluses in my book:

I'm not so much saying there aren't benefits to Windows 8, I'm just sick of reading such craptastic arguments, which boil down to:
- It also technically functions, just like Windows 7 did
- It will do the thing you only do at most once per use a few seconds faster
- If you change it, you can make it into Windows 7 again

It's rare you see actual, meaningful improvements touted, which would be information that might actually be meaningful in the discussion.


Oh, I agree. But what I find humorous is that what used to be the largest points that people disliked about new Microsoft OS releases (runs slower, uses more resources, lacks a touch interface, is expensive) are now all eliminated. It runs faster, on less resources, with a flexible UI, for less than two $20 bills.

Now people simply complain about things being different, even though the OS has more flexibility across form factors, has more functionality, and with 99.999% legacy software and & hardware compatibility. Heck, now people overlook that it runs faster with less hardware and that doesn't impress them. It certainly goes to show that people will complain about anything.
2013-01-03 12:26:38 PM
1 votes:

burndtdan: But if you would please stop thinking "it's not worse than Windows 7" is a convincing argument in favor of it? I mean, how convincing is it ever when someone's argument is "no really, it doesn't suck *that* bad"?


Pluses in my book:

-Vastly faster booting/restart/sleep. My 3 y/o laptop with an SSD boots in 10 seconds, cold.
-Excellent touch interface for my convertible notebook - or being able to fall back to my old desktop interface when docked.
-Much improved task manager, which finally includes an "App history" tab, telling me exactly how much CPU time and bandwidth resources every single program has used. An awesome way to determine performance bottlenecks
rightyaleft.com
-Greatly improved peripheral compatibility and drivers - pretty much everything is now automatically recognized by the OS. No more hunting around for old driver disks, or searching the internet for network drivers on a fresh install to get the PC connected to the internet.
-The file transfer interface actually lets you pause specific transfers and see a graph of how much HDD resources the transfer is using - very useful for transferring large files across networks.
zona.ro
-The ability to "reset" your install, with affecting your files - or "reset" the OS to return to the post-install state, without having to wipe/reinstall the operating system.
cloud.addictivetips.com
-Better security
-No loss in program compatibility from XP, Vista or Win 7 for x86 version. (ARM version excepted)
-Finally has an OS wide spell checker!!!
-The upgrade costs ~$39


Bad features:
-People have to take a day or two to get used to an additional UI
-The ARM version loses x86 program compatibility - but nearly doubles mobile batterylife.

I'm sure there are more specific benefits over Win 7, but that's all I can think of right off the top of my head.
2013-01-03 11:30:47 AM
1 votes:

Bacontastesgood: Big_Thumb: Every time a new Win OS comes out it's always the same biatching, then over time people adapt and move on.

This won't be the same. Time will tell, but sales are already plateauing, because (1) the previous OS is actually quite capable and (2) the new one has a significant learning curve. These haven't been true (1) ever, and (2) in 17 years. I think in about 6 months the Windows team at MS will be shiatting their pants, because this isn't going to go away with a service pack. IT departments everywhere are like fark this BS we'll stick with 7. That's MS' bread and butter. If they fark up Office 2013, then expect the same reaction. Office 2010 is fine, why UPPGRADDE?


I don't know where some of these "geniuses" go to school, but you think the axiom of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" would give them a very obvious guide when it comes to putting out new software.
2013-01-03 11:24:02 AM
1 votes:

Sgygus: /I miss aero


Seriously, this is one of the things making me not UPPGRADDE. Every time some W8 fluffer goes "it's faster" I think ... when is the last time W7 was "too slow". OK, search sometimes, but seriously? I don't give a shiat if it takes 30 seconds to boot, I rarely need to.

Meanwhile, I like color and transparency, etc. I don't have any shiatty computers, even my notebooks have good graphics cards, why the fark do I need some lame ass phone-looking OS on my notebook with a full HD screen? And I hate the pastel bullshiat. We're not all gay or in kindergarten.

Big_Thumb: Every time a new Win OS comes out it's always the same biatching, then over time people adapt and move on.


This won't be the same. Time will tell, but sales are already plateauing, because (1) the previous OS is actually quite capable and (2) the new one has a significant learning curve. These haven't been true (1) ever, and (2) in 17 years. I think in about 6 months the Windows team at MS will be shiatting their pants, because this isn't going to go away with a service pack. IT departments everywhere are like fark this BS we'll stick with 7. That's MS' bread and butter. If they fark up Office 2013, then expect the same reaction. Office 2010 is fine, why UPPGRADDE?
2013-01-03 11:20:08 AM
1 votes:
people seem to be trying pretty damn hard to hate on Win 8.

I dont think a lot of this hate is based in fact.
2013-01-03 10:05:12 AM
1 votes:
I'm someone who LOVES windows 8 but unless you have a touchscreen laptop, don't bother yourself upgrading. Your next computer, though, should absolutely be a touchscreen enabled laptop running windows 8.
2013-01-03 10:00:18 AM
1 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I can't think of any reason why I would need 8.


It's simple: got a touchscreen? Then yes. No touchscreen? Then it's very pointless and is just gonna irritate the hell out of you.
2013-01-03 09:58:12 AM
1 votes:
It's a fantastic OS for touchscreens. The problem is idiot hardware designers putting it on traditional devices...and Microsoft isn't helping by encouraging it.
2013-01-03 09:12:52 AM
1 votes:
Oh and just got a $500 touch laptop from ASUS running win 8.

Kids love it.

/we are doomed
kab
2013-01-03 09:07:19 AM
1 votes:
I'll just keep using 7, thanks.
2013-01-03 08:54:34 AM
1 votes:

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Aero sucked.


And you can turn it off...
2013-01-03 08:41:12 AM
1 votes:

SpacemanSpoof: This has been my experience with Windows...

3.1: great
95: sucked
98: great
Me: sucked
XP: great
Vista: sucked
7: great

(I never used Me or Vista; I'm just going by hearsay on those)

In other words, every time they do a major redesign they basically put out a beta version (95, Me, Vista) so the users can find all the bugs, then they quickly put out another release that fixes them (98, XP, 7). I fully expect 8 and 9 to follow the same pattern, and so far I'm not hearing a lot of evidence to the contrary.


I would say:
3.1 WFWG: fine
95: dodgy
98SE: okay but required regular reboots/rebuilds to retain stability
Win2k: good (stable, decent PnP for most common hardware)
XP: okay
Vista: okay (I have Vista and W7 main PCs side by side, I barely notice any difference between them in practise)
Win7: okay
Win8: okay (seems to be faster than Win7 and is stable enough the old OS2 hibernate instead of reboot for faster startup is now standard, but issues with Modern UI knock it down)

Once people are used to it Windows 8 will probably do fine for most users, and there will always be moaning about a new UI change whether it is for the better or worse, so I don't read too much into that, but it would be a concern for a more power user (software developer in this instance) if Windows starts moving away towards the current implementation of Modern UI as it currently makes switching and interleaving applications difficult - when you are working simultaneously in SQL Server, Explorer, Visual Studio, Browser, Excel, Crystal and various other things that you often are switching between. Obviously for now you can use classic shell and avoid Modern UI, but that will only work for so long if Microsoft keep going down this route. Considering Microsoft have lots of developers working for them you would think they would sort out this eventually, but who knows.
2013-01-03 08:22:45 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: This would be a pretty big issue for me.  Still, I think 8's biggest problem is that MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.


This. I'm perfectly happy with 7. I understand why you'd want 8 for a tablet, but for laptop/desktop users, MS was trying to fix something that was not at all broken.
2013-01-03 08:21:09 AM
1 votes:

Seth'n'Spectrum: Is it still possible to use the windows key and then type in the name of the program you want? That's pretty much how I start all my apps.


You don't even have to use the Windows key. When you're at the metro desktop just start typing and the search window pops up automatically.
2013-01-03 07:27:31 AM
1 votes:

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I can't think of any reason why I would need 8.


It sounds like I'd spend most of my time getting it back to work as well as windows 7
2013-01-03 07:25:51 AM
1 votes:
I can't think of any reason why I would need 8.
2013-01-03 07:13:52 AM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: What do you do if you have more programs than screen real estate? With the Start Menu you had pretty much infinite space


The start page can scroll left and right over multiple pages of tiles.  So theoretically infinite.
2013-01-03 07:11:35 AM
1 votes:

Torese: I use windows 8 and 2012 everyday at work.

I can run multiple RDP sessions at the same time on my laptop.

And when I run RDP in fullscreen mode I only get the charm bar and start menu for the RDP session.

I don't believe some of the people posting in this thread.


You shouldn't. Some of them are flat-out lying.
i18.photobucket.com
2013-01-03 05:42:42 AM
1 votes:
I've used Windows since 3.0 and I've never really hated any version, until now. I used Me for a year, it wasn't really that bad. Vista had a lot of problems out of the gate and its name was tarnished by them but after all the drivers caught up and a few patches it was also decent. Windows 7 is so far the best version I've ever used, but after trying Windows 8 for a few weeks...garbage. It's an ugly, unintuitive abomination that doesn't know what type of OS it is supposed to be.
2013-01-03 05:03:33 AM
1 votes:
IT professional here. I've been testing W8 for future use.
Once you get used to the changes, it's actually pretty nice.
Where W8 shines is its integration between devices, like your desktop and Surface and Window phone.
That functionality puts Apple to shame.
2013-01-03 04:46:41 AM
1 votes:
It would be nice if MS just let people decide how to have the UI work, instead of forcing things on people. If someone wants the old, just let them have it and let them customize it, if someone wants the new, they can have that and customize it. It's not like it's rocket science to create a customizable UI.
2013-01-03 04:35:09 AM
1 votes:
It is ugly.
2013-01-03 03:05:21 AM
1 votes:

vpb: It's faster and needs less memory.  If some people can't figure out the simple changes, then just keep using 7.


Some people value their time more than dicking with some new user interface that was slapped together merely to sell another upgrade round. What does it buy me? Nothing.

Nice try Microsoft shill. Same as the Apple shills except less Palo Alto.
2013-01-03 02:27:25 AM
1 votes:
Sorry
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2013-01-03 02:08:21 AM
1 votes:

bionicjoe: It found my wireless card immediately during setup and downloaded all device drivers.


I stuck a Samsung WIS12ABGNX(a HDTV and blu-ray player wifi dongle) into a W8 machine and it found the drivers right away, while my W7 box didn't at all
2013-01-03 01:38:07 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher:

The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.


This is BS. I have 5 open from Windows 8 now.

Go to your Search Charm. Type Remote Desktop Connection. Right click on it. Click Pin To Task Bar. Open one connection. Open another one. See that first connection? Still there. Open a third. First and second are still there. Rinse. Repeat.
2013-01-03 01:31:38 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: I actually like the new start page better than the start menu.  It's got some room for improvement, but I think it was a smart decision.


I use a similar layout for my home page in Chrome. I like that for browsing, I have all kinds of widgets and shortcuts on there, the tiles make it look nice.

That said, I want my farking desktop to look like my farking desktop, I want to have icons that I want, a wallpaper that I want, a start menu, etc... I've been using both Macs and Windows computers side by side for at least 10 years, and as nice as the Mac Dock is, there are times when it just isn't as handy as the Windows Start Menu, I'd have to say the same about a start page as opposed to a menu. Once again, I really think they're stupid to try and turn our desktops into tablets, each has its own niche, and that's where they belong. I just don't see any payout by trying to merge the two worlds.

/Of course, I'm not a software company VP, just a lowly User, what would I know?
2013-01-03 12:36:49 AM
1 votes:
LOL I just finished deleting my Win8 VM from Virtualbox. I'd thought about upgrading but with all the less-than-stellar reviews I thought a' test drive' was in order...

Not as bad as I'd been led to believe. Speedy and all...

In the end, I just decided I didn't want to fark around with it right now...
2013-01-03 12:35:00 AM
1 votes:

tsferg: Computer nerd under a rock?


Not unheard of.
2013-01-03 12:32:05 AM
1 votes:
I like Win8, especially on multiple monitors- it really improves on Win7 there (taskbar, background spanning, etc).

files.myopera.com
2013-01-03 12:28:28 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: Mentat: My only issue is that Steam crashes all the time.

This would be a pretty big issue for me.  Still, I think 8's biggest problem is that MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.  Otherwise, 7 is going to have legs like XP did.  And I say this as an IT professional.

My next Windows laptop will run Windows 8, no doubt, but my gaming rig at the house is bumping along just fine with 7 and probably will for the next two years, so I'm not running out to upgrade it no matter how cheap it is.

Hell, even Apple is getting farking stupid with the updates.  I've gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion to Mountain Lion and each time the "improvements" don't really seem to outweigh the inconveniences.  I just upgraded to iTunes 11 and while Apple is telling me how great it is, do you know the only thing I notice about it?  I can't double click on the top of the window to minimize it anymore.  That's it.  I could give less of a shiat about the rest of the changes - they took away one "feature" that has been a standard for every Mac App for the past 6 years.

At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.


a) this post is spot-on

b) I just helped my uncle buy a new desktop this weekend, and even he didn't want to get 8 since "7 works just fine, and I don't want to be a guinea pig".  I use my computer for a hell of a lot more than he does, and we're in the exact same "if it ain't broke not going to pay to fix it" camp.  Even though he could mail in a rebate and get the 8 upgrade for free.  The SO will probably get 8, but he has a dual boot Windows/Ubuntu setup anyway and is only on Windows when he needs to do more than internet-ing anyway.
2013-01-03 12:17:50 AM
1 votes:
I would hate to use it at work, but for home use it isn't bad.  I mean, the main point of the home OS is to launch Chrome or Steam, so who cares about the rest, right?
2013-01-03 12:07:45 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.  And here's your Zen moment: You get to the start menu by hovering the mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen until a start button pops up.  If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button.
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box?  Which start menu would I be hovering over?


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This is the reason why i hate Windows 8. You have to patch everything in order to get it to work properly.

First you have to patch in a functional start menu.
Then you have to patch with Administrative Tools
Then Microsoft removed basic functionality from "XPMode" for legacy programs when moving over to VirtualBox, thus making it difficult to run legacy devices (required for work, I can't "just upgrade" since it's not my dime).

I can see going through the trouble for a home machine/ gaming rig, but it's definitely not worth the hassle on a work machine.
2013-01-02 11:57:02 PM
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Selling it every day, it's frustrating to have to tell every person it's basically the same. It is -it's Windows 7 with Apple's old At Ease interface bolted on.

It's no slower, I've had no driver hiccups, and it's a bit better on memory I think. I use it on my laptop. It works great.

But telling ma-and-pa kettle who just check their email and use it to watch HSN online (I swear to CHrist that's one thing I've been told)? It's confusing. It is something they'll need help with.
2013-01-02 11:50:14 PM
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SoothinglyDeranged: As someone who has to support it (indirectly) no it isn't. It can be difficult for some people to adjust to the new UI, but otherwise it is basically win7 with a facelift.


As someone who has to use it, yes it is. The UI is an irrelevant nuisance, nothing more, but the following post details just a couple of the more asinine problems that an OS designed for touch screen use brings along for the ride.

serial_crusher: I started thinking it would be good to install on my HTPC, but turns out none of the app developers really care about keyboard/remote control interfaces.  The Netflix app is useless without a mouse.

On my work PC it's annoying the fark out of me when it launches fullscreen-only apps and shiat starts popping up when I move my mouse to the side of my monitor.  Hey Microsoft, sometimes I just like putting the cursor over there so it's out of the way.  I'm not really interested in shutting down the computer, changing volume, adding a printer, or sharing files right now.

The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.  And here's your Zen moment: You get to the start menu by hovering the mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen until a start button pops up.  If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button.
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box?  Which start menu would I be hovering over?
This is kind of one of those "tree falling in the woods" questions, because somebody would have to install Windows 8 on more than 1 machine for that to ever be an issue...


Windows 8 may be great to support, as your flowchart only goes down one or two levels before you get to say "Sorry, that feature no longer does that", but for those of us who don't have touch screens and are actually trying to use Windows to get work done via a mouse, it is a great big steaming pile of shiat.
2013-01-02 11:50:12 PM
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Mentat: Lsherm: At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.

I understand why MS made the move.  Their core business is under assault and they needed to move into the tablet era.  And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button.  The learning curve wasn't nearly as bad as I had heard.  That said, the Maddenization that you talked about does get annoying.


No, MS will never beat Apple at the tablet game. They need to stop playing me too, me too. It failed with Zune, it failed with Windows Phone, this will fail as well. Do something farking new, or if you can't do something new concentrate upon improving your core products.

Get rid of which ever moron at MS is driving new products, also get rid of the moron who decided the Zune did not need apps or an app store. If you have to steal someone from Apple use some of that Windows cash to do it.

I do not want a tablet, let alone a tablet that runs Office. Most companies are not going to buy Ipads for users, they are buying the IPhone because RIM is as incompetent as MS.

Do not expect a cash infusion from Apple if you can't manage this.
2013-01-02 11:45:39 PM
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Mikey1969: If you like some features of the Metro look, yet prefer to do work in your standard desktop, you can have both. Whoever set it up at work isn't really sure how they did it, they just kind of lucked into it without much playing around, so it must be an easy option to turn on.


It's the default for any multi-display configuration. The "Desktop" app runs automatically on all non-primary monitors.
2013-01-02 11:44:37 PM
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Here's a cool thing I discovered at work, where a few people are tst driving 8. I haven't used it myself though.

It is possible in dual screen mode to have the ne 'Metro' style desktop on one screen, and a standard Windows desktop on the other. If you like some features of the Metro look, yet prefer to do work in your standard desktop, you can have both. Whoever set it up at work isn't really sure how they did it, they just kind of lucked into it without much playing around, so it must be an easy option to turn on.

Myself, I'm pretty happy with Windows 7. I'd probably only go the 8 route if I had a tablet, and I really like Android for that anyway, so I don't think I'm switching. Personally, I think both MS and Apple are stupid for thinking we want our desktops to function like tablets. I want my tablet to do tablet-y stuff on, and my desktop for desktop-y stuff. I may set up a dual-boot when they release a service pack.
2013-01-02 11:42:28 PM
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Sid_6.7: Satanic_Hamster: Not just that; you don't have a major reason to switch computers that often if you're not a gamer. Hell, last fall I went from winxp to win7. I have no reason to even consider windows 8 for at least.... 4-5 years, minimum.

I stretched my last gaming machine for about 6 years, and finally got a new one about 3 months ago. Only then did I switch to Windows 7. No goddamn reason for me to get 8, and with the limitations of consoles holding back game development, I can't see needing to replace this system for a really long time.


I just ordered a refurbished laptop running Windows 7 from NewEgg.com about an hour ago. My seven-year old Dell, running Windows XP that I dragged to Iraq and back, is finally in its death throes.

It took a lot of hunting to find something that hit that sweet spot between price and performance that wasn't running Windows 8.
2013-01-02 11:34:25 PM
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I have a Vista box and Windows 8 is definitely no Vista.

/Waiting for service pack 1 of Windows 8(march?) and hopefully it has a toggle to ditch the start screen interface and bring back the Start button, without resorting to a hack start button..
//Except the new head of Windows 8 is as stupid or stupider in regards to interfaces than the guy who got fired.
2013-01-02 11:32:43 PM
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Mentat: And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button.


Yeah, but that's a pretty big deal IMO.

The Start button was really intuitive. It was obvious you were to click on it. Without that, you're staring at the desktop wondering "the f*ck do I do now?!" unless you have special knowledge of how their touch-centric POS works.

They've had a Start button for about 17 years, and suddenly they ditch it. Imagine if Apple put out a new version of iOS that removed the "Slide to Unlock" feature, and replaced it with the user needing to understand that they had to swipe in from one of the screen edges. Most people would be staring at the phone wondering how the hell to unlock it, and unable to get on the internet with it to learn what cruel joke had been played on them.
2013-01-02 11:23:44 PM
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Lsherm: I just upgraded to iTunes 11 and while Apple is telling me how great it is, do you know the only thing I notice about it? I can't double click on the top of the window to minimize it anymore. That's it. I could give less of a shiat about the rest of the changes - they took away one "feature" that has been a standard for every Mac App for the past 6 years.


I don't listen to much music. I mean, I have music on my iPhone, but I literally don't remember the last time I pulled up a song my phone. If I want music, I just Pandora. What I do use my iPhone (and thus iTunes) for are podcasts and TV shows not acquired from Apple. iTunes 11 has done away with the tiled view for podcasts which makes it more difficult to see all my old podcasts (and they're trying to do away with podcasts in iTunes altogether with their terrible, terrible podcasts app. And in the movies window, where my TV shows show up for some reason, none of my shows are in the "movies" section anymore, they're only listed under "genre," all under "unknown genre." And the new tiling format makes it so I can only see six episodes at a time instead of twelve. They literally made none of the features of iTunes that I use better and several features worse. I hope the rest are better to make up for it.
2013-01-02 11:22:20 PM
1 votes:
I'm a computer nerd and I barely knew it was out. I can't fathom how oblivious normal people are to its existence.
2013-01-02 11:18:55 PM
1 votes:
I really don't understand all of the Windows 8 hate. Granted, it's not an amazing step forward like Windows 95, XP, or 7 was... but there's nothing really bad about it. I've had very little compatibility issues with it, Steam and its games run just as well (if not better with a few more fps on some games!), and has a few new goodies. I have it boot directly to the normal Windows desktop screen and not to the awful metro screen so the new "interface" isn't bothering me one bit.

It's a nice new Windows OS, but nothing spectacular I'll give you that.
2013-01-02 10:47:33 PM
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Lsherm: MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.


Yep. It ain't broke, so I ain't fixin it.
2013-01-02 09:54:24 PM
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vpb: It's faster and needs less memory.  If some people can't figure out the simple changes, then just keep using 7.


People don't want to get up and change the channel on their 30 inch crt tv.  I played with winblows 8 and have already called it me3.  Seems like macroshaft just can't get right two releases in a row.
 
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