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2013-01-03 11:20:08 AM  
people seem to be trying pretty damn hard to hate on Win 8.

I dont think a lot of this hate is based in fact.
 
2013-01-03 11:21:17 AM  

likefunbutnot: MrEricSir: Thunderbird

Thunderbird's appearance is highly customizable and skin-able besides. If you don't like all the buttons and folders and crap, go play with the stuff in the View menu until it's the way you want it and/or hit up the themes gallery to find something. If you're enough of a nerd to want Thunderbird instead of webmail, you can take five minutes to make it look the way you like.


Thunderbird's been suffering from the same things that plague Win8 and iTunes: changing for the sake of change but actually making the product worse than it was.
 
2013-01-03 11:24:02 AM  

Sgygus: /I miss aero


Seriously, this is one of the things making me not UPPGRADDE. Every time some W8 fluffer goes "it's faster" I think ... when is the last time W7 was "too slow". OK, search sometimes, but seriously? I don't give a shiat if it takes 30 seconds to boot, I rarely need to.

Meanwhile, I like color and transparency, etc. I don't have any shiatty computers, even my notebooks have good graphics cards, why the fark do I need some lame ass phone-looking OS on my notebook with a full HD screen? And I hate the pastel bullshiat. We're not all gay or in kindergarten.

Big_Thumb: Every time a new Win OS comes out it's always the same biatching, then over time people adapt and move on.


This won't be the same. Time will tell, but sales are already plateauing, because (1) the previous OS is actually quite capable and (2) the new one has a significant learning curve. These haven't been true (1) ever, and (2) in 17 years. I think in about 6 months the Windows team at MS will be shiatting their pants, because this isn't going to go away with a service pack. IT departments everywhere are like fark this BS we'll stick with 7. That's MS' bread and butter. If they fark up Office 2013, then expect the same reaction. Office 2010 is fine, why UPPGRADDE?
 
2013-01-03 11:26:12 AM  

GranoblasticMan: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Aero sucked.

Yes, it did. Translucent gradients pretending to be "glass" is cheesy and should be left behind in the early 2000s where it belongs. Not to mention it ate up system resources for no good reason.

Give me the solid colors and simple, clean geometry of W8 windows any day.

Maybe you shouldn't run Aero on your TI-83.


LMAO. You owe me a keyboard sir. :)
 
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2013-01-03 11:27:51 AM  

serial_crusher: 30 years later. Let's try it again!


Absolutely... you're familiar with the Cloudtm, yes? The computer industry seems to enjoy re-inventing bad ideas (in this case, the dummy terminal), and hoisting them as 'the future'.
 
2013-01-03 11:27:57 AM  

serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.


Good thing there's Live Mesh with RDP! Oh, wait....
 
2013-01-03 11:30:47 AM  

Bacontastesgood: Big_Thumb: Every time a new Win OS comes out it's always the same biatching, then over time people adapt and move on.

This won't be the same. Time will tell, but sales are already plateauing, because (1) the previous OS is actually quite capable and (2) the new one has a significant learning curve. These haven't been true (1) ever, and (2) in 17 years. I think in about 6 months the Windows team at MS will be shiatting their pants, because this isn't going to go away with a service pack. IT departments everywhere are like fark this BS we'll stick with 7. That's MS' bread and butter. If they fark up Office 2013, then expect the same reaction. Office 2010 is fine, why UPPGRADDE?


I don't know where some of these "geniuses" go to school, but you think the axiom of "If it ain't broken, don't fix it" would give them a very obvious guide when it comes to putting out new software.
 
2013-01-03 11:33:55 AM  

serial_crusher: Oh, so regardless of pinned status, you can right click any app on the taskbar and there's a context menu item with the same name as the app, which launches a new instance of said app.  Not the most intuitive way to do things, but I'm glad I know now.


Uhm, that's in Win 7 *now* and has been for a while dude.
 
2013-01-03 11:43:35 AM  

xaks: serial_crusher: Oh, so regardless of pinned status, you can right click any app on the taskbar and there's a context menu item with the same name as the app, which launches a new instance of said app.  Not the most intuitive way to do things, but I'm glad I know now.

Uhm, that's in Win 7 *now* and has been for a while dude.


True, but I never had any use for it until they broke the "click the start menu icon for this app" paradigm in favor of the "hey, you must be running this OS on a tablet, right? right?" paradigm, thus I never noticed it.
Regardless of how long it's been there, it's not exactly intuitive.  If the thing said "new window" instead of just the name of the app, it would be...
 
2013-01-03 11:52:39 AM  
serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.

Damn are people stupid. What I find interesting is that 90% of all the "problems" that people claim to have with Windows 8 are purely due to their own incompetence - especially when it's folks that claim they're profession IT specialists.

Remote desktop:
- First off: You can still fire off your old remote sessions by typing 'remote' and launching the venerable, built in "Remote Desktop Connection" application that's always been baked into the OS. Nothing has changed with your standard software - heck, they even improved it by finally allowing the program to automatically determine the detail/experience based of the connection speed.

- Secondly: If you decide to go the route of downloading the touch "Remote desktop" interface via the app store, it too can run multiple connection interfaces. Below is an example of running 3 sessions via the Remote Desktop touch application, along the right side of the screen (and it's pretty damned easy to see how to add another session, hit the big god damned + symbol, or if it's in full screen mode, hit the icon on the top of the screen to bring up more sessions). That is in addition to running the standard RDC on the desktop. Look at that, I can run unlimited amounts of sessions, via a touch interface, or the old interface - or a mixture of both. It's not friggen rocket science.

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2013-01-03 11:54:36 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: I have no reason to even consider windows 8 for at least.... 4-5 years, minimum.


This. I went from XP to Win7 a year ago as well on my home PC, and it'll stay that way probably until Windows 9.
 
2013-01-03 12:00:36 PM  
I'm happy for anyone that has Windows 8 and likes it. Really, I am.

But if you would please stop thinking "it's not worse than Windows 7" is a convincing argument in favor of it? I mean, how convincing is it ever when someone's argument is "no really, it doesn't suck *that* bad"?

And I know it boots faster, but that's like saying I should buy a different car because the engine turns on faster. It's such an ancillary part of the experience, and the improvement is just a few seconds.

Also, I know you can get a third party Start menu, but I personally prefer not to need to bolt on third party modifications to enable what I consider core functionality. It creates a huge opportunity for that part of the functionality, which I have grown to rely on, failing due to conflicts or lack of support. I remember this happening all the time when I played World of Warcraft and a mod developer would quit playing the game or just lose interest in supporting his mod, leading to huge sections of my UI either being maintained by me (not the original plan) or abandoned.
 
2013-01-03 12:26:38 PM  

burndtdan: But if you would please stop thinking "it's not worse than Windows 7" is a convincing argument in favor of it? I mean, how convincing is it ever when someone's argument is "no really, it doesn't suck *that* bad"?


Pluses in my book:

-Vastly faster booting/restart/sleep. My 3 y/o laptop with an SSD boots in 10 seconds, cold.
-Excellent touch interface for my convertible notebook - or being able to fall back to my old desktop interface when docked.
-Much improved task manager, which finally includes an "App history" tab, telling me exactly how much CPU time and bandwidth resources every single program has used. An awesome way to determine performance bottlenecks
rightyaleft.com
-Greatly improved peripheral compatibility and drivers - pretty much everything is now automatically recognized by the OS. No more hunting around for old driver disks, or searching the internet for network drivers on a fresh install to get the PC connected to the internet.
-The file transfer interface actually lets you pause specific transfers and see a graph of how much HDD resources the transfer is using - very useful for transferring large files across networks.
zona.ro
-The ability to "reset" your install, with affecting your files - or "reset" the OS to return to the post-install state, without having to wipe/reinstall the operating system.
cloud.addictivetips.com
-Better security
-No loss in program compatibility from XP, Vista or Win 7 for x86 version. (ARM version excepted)
-Finally has an OS wide spell checker!!!
-The upgrade costs ~$39


Bad features:
-People have to take a day or two to get used to an additional UI
-The ARM version loses x86 program compatibility - but nearly doubles mobile batterylife.

I'm sure there are more specific benefits over Win 7, but that's all I can think of right off the top of my head.
 
2013-01-03 12:27:31 PM  
Mentat: Lsherm: At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.

I understand why MS made the move. Their core business is under assault and they needed to move into the tablet era. And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button. The learning curve wasn't nearly as bad as I had heard. That said, the Maddenization that you talked about does get annoying.


They are going to fail in the tablet department unless they get their act together and concentrate on actual tablets. Most of the Windows 8 tablets I've seen are actually hybrids that have a keyboard attached. If I wanted that I'd get a laptop which would give me more bang for the buck.
 
2013-01-03 12:33:26 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: I can't think of any reason why I would need 8.


$40 bucks for a legal copy of windows is one for me and I like how it looks using dual monitors
 
2013-01-03 12:45:17 PM  

CujoQuarrel: A few questions since I have only seen it demoed

1) Does it still want every window to be full screen
2) What do you do if you have more programs than screen real estate? With the Start Menu you had pretty much infinite space
3) Does it still do stuff when your mouse goes near a screen edge or if it does can you turn that off. I hate shiat like that


1) New Metro apps are by default fullscreen, but can be run in a splitscreen. There are no more "windows" for each application. Traditional Win32 apps all run on the desktop and can be maximized/minimized/moved around.
2) The tiles on the new Start Screen/Home page scroll if there are more tiles than screenspace.
3) "Mouse in corner" activating the Charms menu or the Alt-Tab menu are part of the new UI.
 
2013-01-03 12:47:10 PM  
Rwa2play: likefunbutnot: MrEricSir: Thunderbird

Thunderbird's appearance is highly customizable and skin-able besides. If you don't like all the buttons and folders and crap, go play with the stuff in the View menu until it's the way you want it and/or hit up the themes gallery to find something. If you're enough of a nerd to want Thunderbird instead of webmail, you can take five minutes to make it look the way you like.

Thunderbird's been suffering from the same things that plague Win8 and iTunes: changing for the sake of change but actually making the product worse than it was.


Add yahoo to that list.
 
2013-01-03 01:02:59 PM  

vpb: It's faster and needs less memory.  If some people can't figure out the simple changes, then just keep using 7.


Guess what my customers are doing!! We've only seen three win8 machines, and two of them were reloads with win7. I think that says plenty right there...
 
2013-01-03 01:33:20 PM  

MrSteve007: Pluses in my book:


I'm not so much saying there aren't benefits to Windows 8, I'm just sick of reading such craptastic arguments, which boil down to:
- It also technically functions, just like Windows 7 did
- It will do the thing you only do at most once per use a few seconds faster
- If you change it, you can make it into Windows 7 again

It's rare you see actual, meaningful improvements touted, which would be information that might actually be meaningful in the discussion.
 
2013-01-03 01:34:03 PM  
no wai

wake me when 9 hits, i don't pay to test their betas
 
2013-01-03 01:37:25 PM  

Mikey1969: Flint Ironstag: A real step backwards in functionality.

And for no legitimate reason. I think I'll install it at work so that I'm familiar with it(If we have enough licenses, that is), but for real-world use, I think I'll stick with 7, I've been happy with it since the public beta, it's nice and solid. My Boss' theory is that Windows has to alternate garbage and success, so maybe their next iteration will be good. One thing I know: If Windows wants to keep getting customers, they need to stop with this multiple-versions bullshiat. There is no reason for it, and all they do is turn off features, it's not like the different versions are different from the ground up. One OS, one price. I understand that they aren't selling ridiculously priced hardware like Apple, so their OS has to cost more, but the idiocy of trying to sell me a gutted version is really starting to piss me off.


I agree that the different versions are kind of stupid, but it's pretty easy to get Win8 Pro for $15 ($40 upgrade price + "I bought a Win7 computer recently" discount, neither or which are actually verified in any way - ahem, not that I'd advocate gaming the system like that).

I heard you can even flat-out "upgrade" from a pirate copy of Win7 and the upgrade assistant won't give you any grief. I have a few minor gripes with Win8, but this time around, price isn't one of them.

M$ seems to have finally grasped the concept that you get more sales if you lower prices. Poor college students like me aren't going to pay $200 for an OS, not when Linux and The Pirate Bay are out there.
 
2013-01-03 01:42:03 PM  

burndtdan: MrSteve007: Pluses in my book:

I'm not so much saying there aren't benefits to Windows 8, I'm just sick of reading such craptastic arguments, which boil down to:
- It also technically functions, just like Windows 7 did
- It will do the thing you only do at most once per use a few seconds faster
- If you change it, you can make it into Windows 7 again

It's rare you see actual, meaningful improvements touted, which would be information that might actually be meaningful in the discussion.


Oh, I agree. But what I find humorous is that what used to be the largest points that people disliked about new Microsoft OS releases (runs slower, uses more resources, lacks a touch interface, is expensive) are now all eliminated. It runs faster, on less resources, with a flexible UI, for less than two $20 bills.

Now people simply complain about things being different, even though the OS has more flexibility across form factors, has more functionality, and with 99.999% legacy software and & hardware compatibility. Heck, now people overlook that it runs faster with less hardware and that doesn't impress them. It certainly goes to show that people will complain about anything.
 
2013-01-03 03:47:51 PM  

SoothinglyDeranged: As someone who has to support it (indirectly) no it isn't. It can be difficult for some people to adjust to the new UI, but otherwise it is basically win7 with a facelift.


gotcha so zero reason to buy it then.

I dont WANT a tablet interface on my desktop.
 
2013-01-03 06:40:14 PM  

MrSteve007: burndtdan: MrSteve007: Pluses in my book:

I'm not so much saying there aren't benefits to Windows 8, I'm just sick of reading such craptastic arguments, which boil down to:
- It also technically functions, just like Windows 7 did
- It will do the thing you only do at most once per use a few seconds faster
- If you change it, you can make it into Windows 7 again

It's rare you see actual, meaningful improvements touted, which would be information that might actually be meaningful in the discussion.

Oh, I agree. But what I find humorous is that what used to be the largest points that people disliked about new Microsoft OS releases (runs slower, uses more resources, lacks a touch interface, is expensive) are now all eliminated. It runs faster, on less resources, with a flexible UI, for less than two $20 bills.

Now people simply complain about things being different, even though the OS has more flexibility across form factors, has more functionality, and with 99.999% legacy software and & hardware compatibility. Heck, now people overlook that it runs faster with less hardware and that doesn't impress them. It certainly goes to show that people will complain about anything.


First, I wanted to point out almost all of your pluses for Win8 were actually already available with Win7. Except booting speed. I think I actually reboot my computer every other year. Win7 goes to sleep/wakes in a couple seconds and the only reboots are done overnight when updates arrive.

Second, since you can't DISABLE Metro - it doesn't behave exactly like Win7.

Third, it gains a couple percentage points of performance at a time in computing history in which computers are almost completely untaxed. Even 3-4 year old Win7 boxes are seldom stressed anymore.

Fourth, MS ripped WMC out of it and put it behind a pay-wall. And even then you have to buy your codecs (again) and the WMC that you have to buy hasn't been updated since Win7.
 
2013-01-03 06:54:41 PM  
I wanted to make a compelling and well thought out argument in favor of 8 but im feeling lazy - so if you dont use windows 8 FU$K You
 
2013-01-03 07:43:03 PM  

Objectesticle: I wanted to make a compelling and well thought out argument in favor of 8 but im feeling lazy - so if you dont use windows 8 FU$K You


Meh, I just ran the update checker and I would have upgraded, but winDVD 11 Pro isn't compatible.  To play Blu-rays on Win8 I'd have to shell out another $70 for PowerDVD Pro.  I could always use VLC, but technically that's not legal.

I can wait until they sort the bugs out, then I'll upgrade.   There's really no rush.
 
2013-01-03 08:11:46 PM  

tsferg: moothemagiccow: I'm a computer nerd and I barely knew it was out. I can't fathom how oblivious normal people are to its existence.

They had a billion dollar ad campaign. Computer nerd under a rock?


A godawful billion dollar ad campaign. One where, my bet is, if you interviewed people immediately after seeing a TV ad block, most couldn't tell you whether there was a Windows 8 ad or Surface ad or no Microsoft ad at all in the block they just watched. That bad.
 
2013-01-03 08:19:43 PM  

madgonad: Fourth, MS ripped WMC out of it and put it behind a pay-wall. And even then you have to buy your codecs (again) and the WMC that you have to buy hasn't been updated since Win7.


Lsherm: Meh, I just ran the update checker and I would have upgraded, but winDVD 11 Pro isn't compatible. To play Blu-rays on Win8 I'd have to shell out another $70 for PowerDVD Pro. I could always use VLC, but technically that's not legal.

I can wait until they sort the bugs out, then I'll upgrade. There's really no rush.


You can install Media Center (which includes all the players and codecs) for free, before Jan 31st 2013. If you bought a computer in the past few months, the Windows 8 upgrade cost is $15 - otherwise the standard upgrade cost is $39 Media Center - Price rising.

If you wait after Jan 31st - the standard upgrade price rises to $70, and media center is no longer free (prices look to be around $10-$20 for WMC). So you can wait, but expect to pay quite a bit more.
 
2013-01-03 08:31:42 PM  

Objectesticle: I wanted to make a compelling and well thought out argument in favor of 8 but im feeling lazy - so if you dont use windows 8 FU$K You


microsoft-news.com
 
2013-01-03 08:45:11 PM  

MrSteve007: madgonad: Fourth, MS ripped WMC out of it and put it behind a pay-wall. And even then you have to buy your codecs (again) and the WMC that you have to buy hasn't been updated since Win7.

Lsherm: Meh, I just ran the update checker and I would have upgraded, but winDVD 11 Pro isn't compatible. To play Blu-rays on Win8 I'd have to shell out another $70 for PowerDVD Pro. I could always use VLC, but technically that's not legal.

I can wait until they sort the bugs out, then I'll upgrade. There's really no rush.

You can install Media Center (which includes all the players and codecs) for free, before Jan 31st 2013. If you bought a computer in the past few months, the Windows 8 upgrade cost is $15 - otherwise the standard upgrade cost is $39 Media Center - Price rising.

If you wait after Jan 31st - the standard upgrade price rises to $70, and media center is no longer free (prices look to be around $10-$20 for WMC). So you can wait, but expect to pay quite a bit more.


Media Center won't play Blu-Ray discs, just DVDs.  I'd still have to shell out for a different app to play Blu-Rays, or I can wait for Corel to upgrade theirs.
 
2013-01-03 09:16:19 PM  

Lsherm: MrSteve007: madgonad: Fourth, MS ripped WMC out of it and put it behind a pay-wall. And even then you have to buy your codecs (again) and the WMC that you have to buy hasn't been updated since Win7.

Lsherm: Meh, I just ran the update checker and I would have upgraded, but winDVD 11 Pro isn't compatible. To play Blu-rays on Win8 I'd have to shell out another $70 for PowerDVD Pro. I could always use VLC, but technically that's not legal.

I can wait until they sort the bugs out, then I'll upgrade. There's really no rush.

You can install Media Center (which includes all the players and codecs) for free, before Jan 31st 2013. If you bought a computer in the past few months, the Windows 8 upgrade cost is $15 - otherwise the standard upgrade cost is $39 Media Center - Price rising.

If you wait after Jan 31st - the standard upgrade price rises to $70, and media center is no longer free (prices look to be around $10-$20 for WMC). So you can wait, but expect to pay quite a bit more.

Media Center won't play Blu-Ray discs, just DVDs.  I'd still have to shell out for a different app to play Blu-Rays, or I can wait for Corel to upgrade theirs.


VLC will and it's free.

Industry will break it of course. Hell, my original Bluray won't play newer discs.
 
2013-01-03 09:21:24 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Lsherm: MrSteve007: madgonad: Fourth, MS ripped WMC out of it and put it behind a pay-wall. And even then you have to buy your codecs (again) and the WMC that you have to buy hasn't been updated since Win7.

Lsherm: Meh, I just ran the update checker and I would have upgraded, but winDVD 11 Pro isn't compatible. To play Blu-rays on Win8 I'd have to shell out another $70 for PowerDVD Pro. I could always use VLC, but technically that's not legal.

I can wait until they sort the bugs out, then I'll upgrade. There's really no rush.

You can install Media Center (which includes all the players and codecs) for free, before Jan 31st 2013. If you bought a computer in the past few months, the Windows 8 upgrade cost is $15 - otherwise the standard upgrade cost is $39 Media Center - Price rising.

If you wait after Jan 31st - the standard upgrade price rises to $70, and media center is no longer free (prices look to be around $10-$20 for WMC). So you can wait, but expect to pay quite a bit more.

Media Center won't play Blu-Ray discs, just DVDs.  I'd still have to shell out for a different app to play Blu-Rays, or I can wait for Corel to upgrade theirs.

VLC will and it's free.

Industry will break it of course. Hell, my original Bluray won't play newer discs.


Yeah, I've got the VLC crack.  I suppose I could use it, but I like things to be legit.

Looks like Corel isn't going to upgrade WinDVD anyway, so I'll probably have to switch products regardless.
 
2013-01-03 11:03:25 PM  
I have it. I like it. Honestly, it's no different than 7 except that it runs faster, and the start menu opens into something different.

Seriously, some of you just want to hate it because your IT peers tell you it sucks.
 
2013-01-03 11:42:55 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I have it. I like it. Honestly, it's no different than 7 except that it runs faster, and the start menu opens into something different.

Seriously, some of you just want to hate it because your IT peers tell you it sucks.


I bit the bullet and I'm installing it now since I'd have to buy new Blu-Ray software anyway.  I also forgot I have a Technet subscription, so it's free anyway.  I'll post back after it's done.

I expect I'll like it, but I didn't say it sucked in the first place.  I just pointed out there weren't very compelling reasons to upgrade.
 
2013-01-03 11:47:54 PM  

Lsherm: Yeah, I've got the VLC crack. I suppose I could use it, but I like things to be legit.


Honestly, playing BDs on a PC sucks hard enough that I don't even install playback software. I just rip with AnyDVD HD and transcode with Handbrake. It's not worth dealing with the mandatory player updates and unskippable commercials and retarded menu structures, and the apps aren't worth what Corel or Cyberlink want to charge for them.

ZeroCorpse: Seriously, some of you just want to hate it because your IT peers tell you it sucks.


I agree entirely. Windows 8 is absolutely not anything to get bent out of shape about.
 
2013-01-03 11:58:45 PM  
just stop reinventing it all so farking fast

how long since Windows 7 was released?

take a chill pill, Gates.
 
2013-01-04 12:05:05 AM  

likefunbutnot: Lsherm: Yeah, I've got the VLC crack. I suppose I could use it, but I like things to be legit.

Honestly, playing BDs on a PC sucks hard enough that I don't even install playback software. I just rip with AnyDVD HD and transcode with Handbrake. It's not worth dealing with the mandatory player updates and unskippable commercials and retarded menu structures, and the apps aren't worth what Corel or Cyberlink want to charge for them.

ZeroCorpse: Seriously, some of you just want to hate it because your IT peers tell you it sucks.

I agree entirely. Windows 8 is absolutely not anything to get bent out of shape about.


Makes for nice pointless argument fodder though and, let's be honest with ourselves, it's why we're in this thread.
 
2013-01-04 12:35:44 AM  

mrEdude: just stop reinventing it all so farking fast


A new OS every three years isn't entirely unreasonable even for a fairly slow-moving IT life cycle. I'm sure it plays hell with Common Operating Environments for places that have them, but that's why tons and tons of multinationals are still "evaluating" stuff like Windows 7 and Office 2010 and Microsoft will still be supporting some XP issues almost 20 years after it was released.
 
2013-01-04 01:34:53 AM  

Lsherm: ZeroCorpse: I have it. I like it. Honestly, it's no different than 7 except that it runs faster, and the start menu opens into something different.

Seriously, some of you just want to hate it because your IT peers tell you it sucks.

I bit the bullet and I'm installing it now since I'd have to buy new Blu-Ray software anyway.  I also forgot I have a Technet subscription, so it's free anyway.  I'll post back after it's done.

I expect I'll like it, but I didn't say it sucked in the first place.  I just pointed out there weren't very compelling reasons to upgrade.


Finished the upgrade - it took the entire time I was watching "Young Adult" - a surprisingly good movie.  So about 90 minutes, but I don't have an SSD.

I can't say it boots any faster, but I do like the new Task Manager.  It's going to take a while to get that start menu customized to my liking, though.
 
2013-01-04 02:27:25 AM  
 
2013-01-04 03:20:09 AM  

Vaneshi: Why don't you get in touch with your boss and make sure you are actually shilling like a good boy and not just making yourself and the company you are paid to represent look like bigger idiots than they already are.

Yes, I KNOW you and half the other people in this thread all work for the same company. NO, you aren't fooling anyone. WE however are all laughing at you.


Lol. That's funny. You really are paranoid. While I did occasionally act as a guinea pig for Microsoft during college, volunteering as a games tester every couple of months - I'm happily employed as a marking and IT director (and ownership partner) for a Seattle architecture firm. If you've ever stayed in a Marriott Residence Inn, SpringHill Suites, Courtyard, or Hyatt Place - you've likely seen some of our handiwork.

On the weekends, I moonlight as a scuba divemaster and go sailing around the Puget Sound. I have a couple of friends who work as either IT or games development for MS (as lowly "contractors"), but I've never gotten a paycheck from them. Wish I could though - maybe some MS stock options too!


/I also find it funny that you exclaim that I'm a paid shill . . . considering my Fark account is about to turn 10 years old; while you're just passing 10 months.
 
2013-01-04 03:59:20 AM  

MrSteve007: The ability to "reset" your install, with affecting your files - or "reset" the OS to return to the post-install state, without having to wipe/reinstall the operating system.


I just checked that out - that's barely a time-saver because it wipes your applications.  It's nice that you don't have to re-install the OS, but if you have to use that option - you seriously farked up somewhere.

So far, after the upgrade I did tonight, I'm not noticing too much difference, except that the boot time is longer than it was in 7.  I think that's because it's still installing updates.  But it's taking at least 5 minutes to boot, and 7 only took about two minutes.  Otherwise I'm pretty happy with it primarily because once you reach the desktop, it didn't change that much besides the new start menu, which I'm busy customizing.

I haven't looked yet, but do you have any idea if I can tweak the delay for the menus to show up on the active corners?  I want those farkers instantaneous.
 
2013-01-04 09:30:08 AM  

Vaneshi: I'm sorry but you are retarded. The battery life of the ARM version has fark all to do with the software it's running. You'd mysterious get the same result running any ARM compatible OS vs an x86 machine.


LOL dude! I don't think he ever said it had longer battery life BECAUSE it doesnt x86. Just that both things were true. Correlation =/= Causation and all that.
 
2013-01-04 11:08:51 AM  

serial_crusher: "press the windows key" is synonymous with "go to the metro desktop".  generally I'm using my computer to do work, not just sitting there staring at the start page.  "ooh, look at the pretty tiles!"


And coincidentally, going to the metro desktop is one keystroke away. Brilliant!

/haters gonna hate
 
2013-01-04 11:09:32 AM  

degenerate-afro: serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.


Sorry but if you're using the built-in Remote Desktop app in windows you're a wee bit of a noob.

Use remote desktop connection manager 2.2
 
2013-01-04 11:38:55 AM  
Are you all still whining about it?
Seriously. Let it go. They changed the start menu. That's it. Literally.
 
2013-01-04 11:44:45 AM  

Red_Fox: degenerate-afro: serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.

Sorry but if you're using the built-in Remote Desktop app in windows you're a wee bit of a noob.

Use remote desktop connection manager 2.2


nah, that thing is designed for sysadmins who regularly need to hit the same set of machines.  I only have to use it once in a blue moon when our support guys can't figure something out and it's always a different machine I have to hit.  So, the regular RDC client's quick popup that lets me just type in the server I need to connect to is way faster for my use case.

Anyhow, we already established upthread that I'm an idiot and it does in fact allow multiple simultaneous connections.  I've just been behind on some newer "features" introduced since XP, and made the mistake of regarding start page tiles as an analog to desktop icons or other shortcuts.  Old shortcuts were purely a "launch this executable" functionality, whereas start page tiles are a "launch this executable, unless it's already running, in which case bring one of its windows into focus."  Ultimately my own fault for not considering that change, but I maintain that the "same button does different things depending on context, but doesn't have any visual cues to indicate context" thing is a bad design decision.
 
2013-01-04 07:15:42 PM  

Lsherm: Mentat: My only issue is that Steam crashes all the time.

This would be a pretty big issue for me.   Still, I think 8's biggest problem is that MS hit it out of the park with 7 so there's no real compelling reason to upgrade unless you want to get a touchscreen.  Otherwise, 7 is going to have legs like XP did.  And I say this as an IT professional.

My next Windows laptop will run Windows 8, no doubt, but my gaming rig at the house is bumping along just fine with 7 and probably will for the next two years, so I'm not running out to upgrade it no matter how cheap it is.

Hell, even Apple is getting farking stupid with the updates.  I've gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard to Lion to Mountain Lion and each time the "improvements" don't really seem to outweigh the inconveniences.  I just upgraded to iTunes 11 and while Apple is telling me how great it is, do you know the only thing I notice about it?  I can't double click on the top of the window to minimize it anymore.  That's it.  I could give less of a shiat about the rest of the changes - they took away one "feature" that has been a standard for every Mac App for the past 6 years.

At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.


I still use XP Pro, but it's starting to lose compatibility with newer software. The Windows 8 upgrade is only $40.

That's compelling enough for me right now.
 
2013-01-04 07:42:19 PM  

netweavr: I still use XP Pro, but it's starting to lose compatibility with newer software. The Windows 8 upgrade is only $40.


Every application that needs to be taken seriously still runs on XP. Maybe there's a modeling tool someplace that needs DX10, and I understand that next-generation media creation apps are slowly moving away from compatibility, but for the most part no one wants to stop taking money from the absolutely massive base of installed seats of Windows XP.

Windows 8 is absolutely worth $40. I actually suspect that if the full install of the Pro version were priced at that point, every SMB customer I have would move off XP within a year, if only so that they couple take four or five more years to decide whether they want to move to Windows 9 or 10 or whatever.
 
2013-01-04 07:49:11 PM  

netweavr: I still use XP Pro, but it's starting to lose compatibility with newer software. The Windows 8 upgrade is only $40.

That's compelling enough for me right now.


Same with me. I was using XP Home until a month ago. The $40 deal for W8 was too good to turn down. I'm happy enough with W8 (it is far faster in use on my machine. I upgraded my mobo and chip a couple of years ago and XP just doesn't use core2duo properly) and planning to do the same upgrade on my netbook and a second PC I use as well.

I do however have Classic Shell to give me back the Start button.
 
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