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2013-01-03 12:35:00 AM  

tsferg: Computer nerd under a rock?


Not unheard of.
 
2013-01-03 12:36:11 AM  

MrEricSir: Thunderbird


Thunderbird's appearance is highly customizable and skin-able besides. If you don't like all the buttons and folders and crap, go play with the stuff in the View menu until it's the way you want it and/or hit up the themes gallery to find something. If you're enough of a nerd to want Thunderbird instead of webmail, you can take five minutes to make it look the way you like.

serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.


Have you never heard of Terminals? Because it's kind of awesome.

jeffdo1: No, MS will never beat Apple at the tablet game. They need to stop playing me too, me too.


The thing is, Apple's tablet experience is bar none the worst I've had, between the ridiculous data format requirements, inability to connect to file servers and data segregation between applications (yes, that is nerd stuff that only nerds care about but holy god does it all piss me off). The biggest problem with Microsoft right now is less "me too, me too" and more the fact that they're trying to be hip and cool and pretend that they're a lifestyle brand like Apple or Nike. Microsoft grew up and turned in to IBM. The people who need to be excited and interested in new versions of Windows aren't consumers but business decision-makers. Consumers are just going to take whatever they get and like it no matter what. The perfect justification for a Microsoft tablet isn't "We're just like Apple" but "Hey, this thingy is the same shape, size and weight as Apple but oh yeah it'll actually connect to a shared network folder and open a document in a fully functional editor that humans are actually familiar with without making a shiatload of work for you or your IT staff."
 
2013-01-03 12:36:49 AM  
LOL I just finished deleting my Win8 VM from Virtualbox. I'd thought about upgrading but with all the less-than-stellar reviews I thought a' test drive' was in order...

Not as bad as I'd been led to believe. Speedy and all...

In the end, I just decided I didn't want to fark around with it right now...
 
2013-01-03 12:39:22 AM  
I just built a new PC for Christmas & installed Win8 from scratch.
It found my wireless card immediately during setup and downloaded all device drivers. I didn't touch an install disk. Everything works perfectly.
Steam works perfectly.
All games work perfectly.
I get weekly email reports of my kids usage activity that are straightforward.

Only issues are the standard MS nonsense.
Why isn't there a search bar in the Windows App Store!?
Why do I have to click through pages of crap to get to the same Control Panel screens from 10 years ago?
 
2013-01-03 12:42:24 AM  

bionicjoe: Why isn't there a search bar in the Windows App Store!?


I can help with this one- Just hit the Windows key and start typing whatever it is you're looking for, then select App Store (or Store, or whatever it's called, don't have my Win8 PC on right now) on the right-hand side, and *voila* search results from the store.
 
2013-01-03 12:46:14 AM  

serial_crusher: If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button.
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box? Which start menu would I be hovering over?


Windows 9 Inception.
 
2013-01-03 12:47:54 AM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: bionicjoe: Why isn't there a search bar in the Windows App Store!?

I can help with this one- Just hit the Windows key and start typing whatever it is you're looking for, then select App Store (or Store, or whatever it's called, don't have my Win8 PC on right now) on the right-hand side, and *voila* search results from the store.


Or bring up the "charms" menu on the right side of the screen and select the search icon. It defaults the search contextually, based on the program you're in.
 
2013-01-03 12:50:14 AM  

Mikey1969: Here's a cool thing I discovered at work, where a few people are tst driving 8. I haven't used it myself though.

It is possible in dual screen mode to have the ne 'Metro' style desktop on one screen, and a standard Windows desktop on the other. If you like some features of the Metro look, yet prefer to do work in your standard desktop, you can have both. Whoever set it up at work isn't really sure how they did it, they just kind of lucked into it without much playing around, so it must be an easy option to turn on.



That's the default setting. I have dual monitors and whichever monitor you move the mouse to the top left corner and open Metro that's the screen that Metro opens in, leaving the traditional desktop in the other monitor.

I have Classic Shell and am very happy, but I upgraded from XP so the improvement in speed on my fairly new mobo/CPU is very welcome. XP didn't really work well with core2duo chips.

I'm a writer so of course the thing that has really pissed me off is they did away with Spider Solitare. There are Metro apps with Spider Solitare but they are just not as smooth as the old XP version. You can't start to move the next card while it's doing an animation, you have to wait until it finishes and then click on the next card, stuff like that. Plus of course its Metro so it's full screen only, though at least I still have the other monitor.
 
2013-01-03 12:51:33 AM  

likefunbutnot: serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.

Have you never heard of Terminals? Because it's kind of awesome.


Don't think I've seen that one in particular.  Similar projects I've tried have usually sucked, but I'll give that one a looksee.
At a first glance.... looks like I only get one window with tabs?  What if I want to have two machines open in two separate monitors?  Does it support that?
 
2013-01-03 12:51:46 AM  

The RIchest Man in Babylon: bionicjoe: Why isn't there a search bar in the Windows App Store!?

I can help with this one- Just hit the Windows key and start typing whatever it is you're looking for, then select App Store (or Store, or whatever it's called, don't have my Win8 PC on right now) on the right-hand side, and *voila* search results from the store.


Yeah I figured it out, but that's totally stupid. Especially with the acres of open space in the screen. 
Props for a clean interface, but a search bar would be totally intuitive. Even searching for another thing can be a pain if the search area is closed. Winkey + typing +.....all over again.

There have been 2-3 simple things I've had to look up how to do on windows tip sites. It makes me wonder if anyone at MS ever thinks to sit a few people down that have solid PC experience and let them test drive an OS.

Don't get a bunch of grandmas and don't get a group of reviewers. Get people that need & want to find apps and such. Grandma is going to click on anything and be amazed. The reviewer guy is going to look for the thing he's supposed to be amazed by.
Go get people that need to USE a PC.
 
2013-01-03 12:54:33 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Mikey1969: Here's a cool thing I discovered at work, where a few people are tst driving 8. I haven't used it myself though.

It is possible in dual screen mode to have the ne 'Metro' style desktop on one screen, and a standard Windows desktop on the other. If you like some features of the Metro look, yet prefer to do work in your standard desktop, you can have both. Whoever set it up at work isn't really sure how they did it, they just kind of lucked into it without much playing around, so it must be an easy option to turn on.

That's the default setting. I have dual monitors and whichever monitor you move the mouse to the top left corner and open Metro that's the screen that Metro opens in, leaving the traditional desktop in the other monitor.


If the "metro side" is at the start menu, doesn't it go away when you click anywhere on the other screen?  Will have to try it when I get to work tomorrow, but I thought that's how it worked.  Running a metro app in the other window, sure.

I actually like the new start page better than the start menu.  It's got some room for improvement, but I think it was a smart decision.
 
2013-01-03 12:55:55 AM  

bionicjoe: The RIchest Man in Babylon: bionicjoe: Why isn't there a search bar in the Windows App Store!?

I can help with this one- Just hit the Windows key and start typing whatever it is you're looking for, then select App Store (or Store, or whatever it's called, don't have my Win8 PC on right now) on the right-hand side, and *voila* search results from the store.

Yeah I figured it out, but that's totally stupid. Especially with the acres of open space in the screen.
Props for a clean interface, but a search bar would be totally intuitive. Even searching for another thing can be a pain if the search area is closed. Winkey + typing +.....all over again.


how does that "just start typing" thing work on tablets that don't have a hardware keyboard?  Is there a hardware button that brings up the on-screen keyboard or something?
 
2013-01-03 12:59:36 AM  

Sargun: Step one: click once to start up Metro
Step two: click on the program you want to run


Once you've managed to work out how to add things to the live tiles which can be a bit of a mission in itself. Of course this is AFTER you've managed to work out how to install things. Once you've worked out where they've hidden the "my computer" type function that lets you access whatever drive you've plugged in that has your executables on it, since there is no "my computer" on the desktop any more.

As I said in another thread they provide W8 with literally no documentation on anything. They expect you to wave your mouse vaguely all over the screen to see what pops up on the edges, or imagine up you need to drag right and then down etc. That's based on an assumption you know to do that even basic thing in the first place, and why would someone know that when it's never worked that way before?

It would be far better received if it came with basic "how to" and "was/is" documentation. But it doesn't. WinXP, Vista, and 7 didn't come with documentation either, but as an experienced user I already knew where everything was. If you totally overhaul your OS YOU NEED TO PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION.
 
2013-01-03 12:59:59 AM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2013-01-03 01:03:13 AM  
A few questions since I have only seen it demoed

1) Does it still want every window to be full screen
2) What do you do if you have more programs than screen real estate? With the Start Menu you had pretty much infinite space
3) Does it still do stuff when your mouse goes near a screen edge or if it does can you turn that off. I hate shiat like that
 
2013-01-03 01:13:03 AM  

likefunbutnot: MrEricSir: Thunderbird

Thunderbird's appearance is highly customizable and skin-able besides. If you don't like all the buttons and folders and crap, go play with the stuff in the View menu until it's the way you want it and/or hit up the themes gallery to find something. If you're enough of a nerd to want Thunderbird instead of webmail, you can take five minutes to make it look the way you like.


I realize that Mozilla's software is super customizable if you know how or are willing to spend the time to figure it out. But you have to admit Thunderbird comes out of the box with a crazy mess default widgets and toolbars compared to, for example, Firefox.

Also I don't entirely agree that only hardcore nerds are using email software. Anyone who has more than one email account probably doesn't want to deal with visiting five different websites (or logging in/out of the same site) just to deal with their email.
 
2013-01-03 01:19:40 AM  
As someone who started out with Program Manager and had to get used to the Start Menu, I'm getting a kick out of the whining.

/get off my lawn
 
2013-01-03 01:21:12 AM  

jeffdo1: Mentat: Lsherm: At some point you realize these people are just spinning their wheels trying to get you to buy new hardware, but for all the wrong reasons.

I understand why MS made the move.  Their core business is under assault and they needed to move into the tablet era.  And as someone else said, once you get to the desktop it's basically the same Windows as always save for the lack of a Start button.  The learning curve wasn't nearly as bad as I had heard.  That said, the Maddenization that you talked about does get annoying.

No, MS will never beat Apple at the tablet game. They need to stop playing me too, me too. It failed with Zune, it failed with Windows Phone, this will fail as well. Do something farking new, or if you can't do something new concentrate upon improving your core products.

Get rid of which ever moron at MS is driving new products, also get rid of the moron who decided the Zune did not need apps or an app store. If you have to steal someone from Apple use some of that Windows cash to do it.

I do not want a tablet, let alone a tablet that runs Office. Most companies are not going to buy Ipads for users, they are buying the IPhone because RIM is as incompetent as MS.

Do not expect a cash infusion from Apple if you can't manage this.


Ever try the new line of windows phones? The Nokia Lumia is the tits. Easy to setup, the tiles work well on the touch screen
 
2013-01-03 01:23:24 AM  

Irving Maimway: Once you graft the start menu and quick launch bar back onto it, 8's actually a nice OS. Lean and snappy, but I don't do any gaming, so I can't give any real evaluation there.


So far, I agree. I went from XP to Win 8 in one jump, mainly because Win 7 is unavailable in a retail form...or I couldn't find it in downtown Toronto.

So I thought..."eh, they want $69...why not?" I threw in more RAM for about the same price, and it is noticeably faster to boot and load the graphic programs I use.

Installation was pretty straightforward, too, but given I've done a complete "nuke and upgrade" about a dozen times since 1990 on many machines, maybe I'm just getting better at avoiding the screwups.

/win D for the win.
 
2013-01-03 01:26:16 AM  

Flint Ironstag: You can't start to move the next card while it's doing an animation, you have to wait until it finishes and then click on the next card, stuff like that.


Yeah, I don't understand why software companies seem to go backwards at times. If you want to skip a pretty animation, you should be able to, and it's pretty much been possible since Win 2k without having to go all-out on a high performance vid card. Now, it just seems like lazy developers.

Flint Ironstag: Plus of course its Metro so it's full screen only, though at least I still have the other monitor.


Yeah, that seems like more of that "What you really want is your desktop to perform EXACTLY like a tablet, you just didn't know it." bullshiat. Sure, I don't want windows and such all over the place on a tablet or smartphone, but I usually have apps and windows all over the place and click from one to the other. I don't know who told these cheese-dicks that everyone wanted full screen only. Just because Apple is trying it, it doesn't mean that MS HAS to follow suit. Apple has had plenty of bad choices, too.
 
2013-01-03 01:31:38 AM  

serial_crusher: I actually like the new start page better than the start menu.  It's got some room for improvement, but I think it was a smart decision.


I use a similar layout for my home page in Chrome. I like that for browsing, I have all kinds of widgets and shortcuts on there, the tiles make it look nice.

That said, I want my farking desktop to look like my farking desktop, I want to have icons that I want, a wallpaper that I want, a start menu, etc... I've been using both Macs and Windows computers side by side for at least 10 years, and as nice as the Mac Dock is, there are times when it just isn't as handy as the Windows Start Menu, I'd have to say the same about a start page as opposed to a menu. Once again, I really think they're stupid to try and turn our desktops into tablets, each has its own niche, and that's where they belong. I just don't see any payout by trying to merge the two worlds.

/Of course, I'm not a software company VP, just a lowly User, what would I know?
 
2013-01-03 01:32:10 AM  
Like Lsherm I too am an IT Professional.

WINDOWS 8 CAN DIE IN A FIRE
 
2013-01-03 01:34:22 AM  
I use windows 8 and 2012 everyday at work.

I can run multiple RDP sessions at the same time on my laptop.

And when I run RDP in fullscreen mode I only get the charm bar and start menu for the RDP session.

I don't believe some of the people posting in this thread.
 
2013-01-03 01:35:14 AM  

Mikey1969: Flint Ironstag: Plus of course its Metro so it's full screen only, though at least I still have the other monitor.

Yeah, that seems like more of that "What you really want is your desktop to perform EXACTLY like a tablet, you just didn't know it." bullshiat. Sure, I don't want windows and such all over the place on a tablet or smartphone, but I usually have apps and windows all over the place and click from one to the other.


I really noticed it when I first installed W8. Since my old video card didn't play nice with W8 I only had one monitor. I downloaded some PDF, a company annual report or something, and double clicked it and it opened with the default PDF viewer, and app that opened in Metro. I wanted to open Calculator to add up some figures from the document but of course I couldn't have the mall Calculator window on top of the PDF because it was Metro. A real step backwards in functionality.
 
2013-01-03 01:38:07 AM  

serial_crusher:

The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.


This is BS. I have 5 open from Windows 8 now.

Go to your Search Charm. Type Remote Desktop Connection. Right click on it. Click Pin To Task Bar. Open one connection. Open another one. See that first connection? Still there. Open a third. First and second are still there. Rinse. Repeat.
 
2013-01-03 01:39:11 AM  

CujoQuarrel: A few questions since I have only seen it demoed

1) Does it still want every window to be full screen
2) What do you do if you have more programs than screen real estate? With the Start Menu you had pretty much infinite space
3) Does it still do stuff when your mouse goes near a screen edge or if it does can you turn that off. I hate shiat like that


1) Only Metro apps opened in the Metro interface. If you open a traditional program in the traditional desktop it is as it always was.
2) Ditto.
3) I have Classic Shell, which adds the old Start button and menu. It has the option to turn off all the active corners. I don't mind them.
 
2013-01-03 01:41:59 AM  

serial_crusher: Flint Ironstag: Mikey1969: Here's a cool thing I discovered at work, where a few people are tst driving 8. I haven't used it myself though.

It is possible in dual screen mode to have the ne 'Metro' style desktop on one screen, and a standard Windows desktop on the other. If you like some features of the Metro look, yet prefer to do work in your standard desktop, you can have both. Whoever set it up at work isn't really sure how they did it, they just kind of lucked into it without much playing around, so it must be an easy option to turn on.

That's the default setting. I have dual monitors and whichever monitor you move the mouse to the top left corner and open Metro that's the screen that Metro opens in, leaving the traditional desktop in the other monitor.

If the "metro side" is at the start menu, doesn't it go away when you click anywhere on the other screen?  Will have to try it when I get to work tomorrow, but I thought that's how it worked.  Running a metro app in the other window, sure.

I actually like the new start page better than the start menu.  It's got some room for improvement, but I think it was a smart decision.


No, I often have Spider Solitare open in Metro on one screen (can be either) while surfing the web or playing Youtube writing in the other monitor.

With Classic Shell I have the classic start button and menu and Metro, though I rarely use Metro as a start screen.
 
2013-01-03 01:43:13 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Mikey1969: Flint Ironstag: Plus of course its Metro so it's full screen only, though at least I still have the other monitor.

Yeah, that seems like more of that "What you really want is your desktop to perform EXACTLY like a tablet, you just didn't know it." bullshiat. Sure, I don't want windows and such all over the place on a tablet or smartphone, but I usually have apps and windows all over the place and click from one to the other.

I really noticed it when I first installed W8. Since my old video card didn't play nice with W8 I only had one monitor. I downloaded some PDF, a company annual report or something, and double clicked it and it opened with the default PDF viewer, and app that opened in Metro. I wanted to open Calculator to add up some figures from the document but of course I couldn't have the mall Calculator window on top of the PDF because it was Metro. A real step backwards in functionality.

Small

calculator window....
 
2013-01-03 01:50:45 AM  
When the best thing that can be said about your operating system is "there's an aftermarket hack that makes it suck less," then you haven't exactly written a winner.
 
2013-01-03 01:55:51 AM  
I agree with those who say that the reason it is slow is that 7 is not old, out of date or in any way inadequate, therefore there is no compelling reason to look for a new os.

I personally think its pretty good, and it is being used as a stalking horse.. the workhorse of 7 with improvements and a first stab at the new interface models.

Not ALL of it is okay, they need to learn some lessons especailly about multitasking in the metro interface if they ever want it to be the primary.
 
2013-01-03 01:56:53 AM  
oh and I find the RDP client a great improvement over the windows 7 one.
 
2013-01-03 02:01:45 AM  

Flint Ironstag: A real step backwards in functionality.


And for no legitimate reason. I think I'll install it at work so that I'm familiar with it(If we have enough licenses, that is), but for real-world use, I think I'll stick with 7, I've been happy with it since the public beta, it's nice and solid. My Boss' theory is that Windows has to alternate garbage and success, so maybe their next iteration will be good. One thing I know: If Windows wants to keep getting customers, they need to stop with this multiple-versions bullshiat. There is no reason for it, and all they do is turn off features, it's not like the different versions are different from the ground up. One OS, one price. I understand that they aren't selling ridiculously priced hardware like Apple, so their OS has to cost more, but the idiocy of trying to sell me a gutted version is really starting to piss me off.
 
2013-01-03 02:08:21 AM  

bionicjoe: It found my wireless card immediately during setup and downloaded all device drivers.


I stuck a Samsung WIS12ABGNX(a HDTV and blu-ray player wifi dongle) into a W8 machine and it found the drivers right away, while my W7 box didn't at all
 
2013-01-03 02:17:29 AM  
You know, that "those old people are the cause of all our computing ills blah blah" rant is losing its steam. The PC/Mac has been around for a while now and a lot of these older folks started using them before most of you were born. That tired old line about older generations not getting computers went away right about the time Web 2.0 showed up. Oh, that's right, you don't know what that is.

/just sayin'
 
2013-01-03 02:19:40 AM  

bloobeary: When the best thing that can be said about your operating system is "there's an aftermarket hack that makes it suck less," then you haven't exactly written a winner.


I was still using XP and W8 is a huge step forward in performance and security for $40.

If I had 7 I probably wouldn't have bothered.
 
2013-01-03 02:23:01 AM  

Mikey1969: That said, I want my farking desktop to look like my farking desktop, I want to have icons that I want, a wallpaper that I want, a start menu, etc...


My desktop with wallpaper that changes every minute


Start menu

I think people with WPs are use to live tiles on the start menu
 
2013-01-03 02:23:30 AM  

serial_crusher: The Remote Desktop Connection app only allows you to have one connection open at a time now too.  Thanks for ruining my productivity, guys.  And here's your Zen moment: You get to the start menu by hovering the mouse in the bottom left corner of the screen until a start button pops up.  If I'm in an RDC to a Windows server 2008, that thing pops up over the windows server start button.
What would happen if I were to RDC into another Windows 8 box?  Which start menu would I be hovering over?
This is kind of one of those "tree falling in the woods" questions, because somebody would have to install Windows 8 on more than 1 machine for that to ever be an issue...


That's hilariously pathetic. You'd think they'd at least design their own apps not to have the GUI's conflict.
Wow.
 
2013-01-03 02:27:25 AM  
Sorry
i.imgur.com
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2013-01-03 02:30:04 AM  

Flint Ironstag: 1) Only Metro apps opened in the Metro interface. If you open a traditional program in the traditional desktop it is as it always was.


This alone is a reason to never use Windows 8. It has two separate interfaces running at the same time. That's exceptionally retarded UI design and the guy who thought it was a good idea to have too different desktop interfaces, which have two different sets of rules for using them, running on the same machine at the same time should be FIRED immediately.

What makes it ever more stupid, WIndows RT, an OS with no background app support, has two different interfaces for it's apps two. Not all Metro apps are created equal. Office on RT, a brand new application for an operating system designed to be run entirely on tablets, runs in the old desktop UI. That is stupid. Really stupid. In order to use RT, a 100% brand new OS sold exclusively on Tablet hardware, you MUST own a Keyboard and mouse. Microsoft seriously though tablet owners would want to get a KB/M for their tablet for SOME Metro apps.

As least Apple was smart enough to make iWork on the iPad a touch interface and priced it accordingly. If you want the full desktop version of iWork, run it on a full desktop computer. Office on RT should have been done the same exact way, there's no excuse for that level of interface inconsistency.
 
2013-01-03 02:36:34 AM  
I bought my wife a new PC and it came with Win8. I can't say I care for it. Networking it with my Win7 machine is a pain and the Win8 requires a "home group" be setup and only the folders that are designated by Win8 are accessible from my Win7 machine (no matter what I designate as a share). So I'm only allowed to share content that's put in the folders Win8 chooses, and my own choices are disallowed.
Everything fulls screens and you can't alt+tab out of the full screened app to do something else. I'm used to being able to put up windows side by side and that doesn't seem to be an option. I haven't tested it extensively, but I've definitely used it enough to know I don't like it. I will definitely not be upgrading changing from Win7 to Win8.
 
2013-01-03 02:42:35 AM  
Windows 8 isn't so bad.. I bought/installed it on my laptop and it's a whole hell of a lot faster and snappier than Windows 7 in all kinds of ways.. Windows 8 will boot in about 15-20 seconds opposed to Windows 7 which took 2-3 minutes..
 
2013-01-03 02:45:09 AM  

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Flint Ironstag: 1) Only Metro apps opened in the Metro interface. If you open a traditional program in the traditional desktop it is as it always was.

This alone is a reason to never use Windows 8. It has two separate interfaces running at the same time. That's exceptionally retarded UI design and the guy who thought it was a good idea to have too different desktop interfaces, which have two different sets of rules for using them, running on the same machine at the same time should be FIRED immediately.


So, basically, Win8 has a Win7 interface available, and the new Metro interface that won't let me have a number of small windows open? So I wouldn't use the Metro thing anyway. So why the hell would I upgrade to something that runs that *as well as* what's basically still Win7, when I'm just using Win7?
 
2013-01-03 03:00:11 AM  
I use Windows 8.

I don't enjoy it.

I found a conundrum. I have an application in my start menu from Windows 7. the shortcut includes arguments.  Now, I can run it by going through the start screen to ALL APPS and finding it in the extremely hard to read maze it creates, then pin it to start menu, and that's fine. but i want it on the desktop.

I cannot copy that shortcut to the desktop, nor alter the arguments. In order to create a desktop shortcut I have to find the file, right click to send a shortcut to desktop, then go in and type in my arguments, assuming i know them.

What the fark were they thinking? I can pin it to the taskbar but now that taskbar icons aren't just another place to drag desktop icons for easy access, I can't drag it back to the desktop.

Secondly, I got tired of my start screen having live updated tiles of shiat like my facebook account and whatnot, so i unhooked all that.

I get an email from microsoft a week later telling me "theres some problem with your account and that's why it's not updating it".  No shiat.

I don't want stuff tied together. When my Live account was suspended because my payment option didn't work and could not be changed, i was no longer able to access videos i paid for in Zune on my PC.

That being said, the OS has its up-sides:

1) It runs a bit faster (probably the lack of Aero, which was pretty and I miss it)
2) It boots up a lot quicker.
3) The sleep function works again (for whatever reason it wasn't working in Windows 7 and i was too lazy to fix it).
4) It'll provide work on the side for me for years, because it'll confound old people.
 
2013-01-03 03:05:21 AM  

vpb: It's faster and needs less memory.  If some people can't figure out the simple changes, then just keep using 7.


Some people value their time more than dicking with some new user interface that was slapped together merely to sell another upgrade round. What does it buy me? Nothing.

Nice try Microsoft shill. Same as the Apple shills except less Palo Alto.
 
2013-01-03 03:06:45 AM  
I just picked up an awesome new gaming laptop from Asus, which gets delivered today if FedEx is to be believed, and the only thing about it that made me reluctant to buy it was that it has Windows 8. Asus currently does not offer a single machine with Windows 7 that even comes close to touching the specs on what I got (Asus G75VW-DH72). I really wanted to stay with Windows 7, if at all possible.

I'll give Windows 8 a try, but if I have problems playing any of my current games (Champions Online, Guild Wars 2, Lord of the Rings Online, Rift, The Secret World, Star Trek Online), plus the software I normally use (Audacity, Fraps, Gimp 2, Irfanview, etc), then I'll be getting a copy of Windows 7 Professional 64-bit somehow and replacing Windows 8. Then again, I have a friend who has been using Windows 8 since it was in early beta tests and he loves it, says it runs all of his games and other software just fine, so maybe there is hope...
 
2013-01-03 03:15:52 AM  

LazarusLong42: Renowned transvestite sexologist: Flint Ironstag: 1) Only Metro apps opened in the Metro interface. If you open a traditional program in the traditional desktop it is as it always was.

This alone is a reason to never use Windows 8. It has two separate interfaces running at the same time. That's exceptionally retarded UI design and the guy who thought it was a good idea to have too different desktop interfaces, which have two different sets of rules for using them, running on the same machine at the same time should be FIRED immediately.

So, basically, Win8 has a Win7 interface available, and the new Metro interface that won't let me have a number of small windows open? So I wouldn't use the Metro thing anyway. So why the hell would I upgrade to something that runs that *as well as* what's basically still Win7, when I'm just using Win7?


To me Metro is nothing more than a glorified start menu
I mostly use the start menu/metro to see updates on Facebook, email(4 accounts), and news without having to log in to any of those. After that it's back to the desktop mode.
/The Facebook app is a godsend in that you can see Facebook messages without having to log on and risk getting im's from people you don't want to talk to
 
2013-01-03 04:02:25 AM  

Phelyx: Like Lsherm I too am an IT Professional.

WINDOWS 8 CAN DIE IN A FIRE


We aren't choosing to support it yet.  Here's to hoping you guys do the same.

/not everybody has that flexibility.
//and we really don't, either
 
2013-01-03 04:18:04 AM  

drjekel_mrhyde: /The Facebook app is a godsend in that you can see Facebook messages without having to log on and risk getting im's from people you don't want to talk to


You know you can turn off instant messaging on your FB account through a browser, right?
 
2013-01-03 04:33:01 AM  
typing from my Win8 machine. There have been growing pains but I'm growing to like it.
 
2013-01-03 04:35:09 AM  
It is ugly.
 
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