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(Chicago Trib)   Here's a really great idea that's sure to get us tons of great publicity: Let's invite the relatives of the Aurora massacre victims to the grand re-opening of the movie theater in which their loved ones perished   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 38
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2013-01-02 05:56:41 PM  
5 votes:

vpb: What a dumb-ass idea.  I would have kept it as low key as possible.


Yeah, I think so too. Just quietly reopen. Business may suffer for a bit, but come on. The world is an old place, and you go back far enough someone probably died on every part of it at some point. My house I'm renting here in Spain is about 120+ years old. Someone probably died in the very bedroom I type this in right now.

So reopen, definitely. But don't specifically invite the families of the victims and don't make a big deal of it. Just, open and go. Drawing attention with a big grand reopening makes you look callous and inhuman.

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2013-01-02 06:14:16 PM  
4 votes:
Am I the only person who actually felt this is probably less tasteless than the article makes it sound? It doesn't sound like the company put out a big ad in the local newspaper inviting victims and those affected by the tragedy to show up. It sounds like they sent individual invitations to each of those affected. I think that's fairly 'low key'. What isn't low key is the victims' response to it, which is well within their right to do.

The article does say it was about a 'night of remembrance' followed by a movie. And to me that seems fairly tasteful, it seems like they're legitimately trying to help heal wounds instead of making a cash grab. It would be tasteless if they actually charged those victims and their families to see the movie, and if they charged them for concessions. But the article doesn't say either way. But I'm willing to bet everything was comped by the theatre.

Whether it was 'too soon' or not, it's not my place to say. I wasn't affected by it. People heal differently, but the business itself does not. It has to re-open if the theatre owners want to keep making a living, and it isn't their fault a customer decided to snap and go on a shooting spree. We haven't even seen what the invitations to the victims actually said, or if there was anything else in them. If it was my movie theatre, I'd have at least put in the invitation that they're given free movie passes that can be redeemed at any point in their life if they didn't want to attend the re-opening. If they didn't do something like that, then yeah, that is kind of tasteless.

But as for the theatre itself... this is how you heal. This is how you conquer. This is how you make sure people like that psychopath don't win. You re-open, and you have life proceed as normally as possible. You re-open your theatre, you invite the victims and their families to attend in order to both remember the tragedy, and to show that life goes on, and that life can continue normally. You comp their tickets and their concessions, and you play a nice light-hearted, G-rated movie. And if the victims and their families aren't ready for that, you give them a lifetime movie pass that they can redeem whenever they want.

The article is very scarce on specific details, but I'm willing to guess it isn't nearly as cold-blooded as the article says it is.
2013-01-02 04:47:10 PM  
4 votes:

DownDaRiver: FTA: They also said the company refused to meet with them one-on-one without lawyers present.

Can you blame them, since they know that you want them to bleed green blood as punishment for owning a business where some wacko felt like killing people?


I'm guessing that if they accept the free ticket and turn it over, the small print will say something along the lines of "By accepting this free ticket to a movie, and using said ticket at Aurora Cinemark Theatres, the user agrees that all claims against said theater for all past actions and damages, known and unknown, are satisfied to the fullest extent."

Always read the fine print.
2013-01-02 04:18:14 PM  
4 votes:
FTA: They also said the company refused to meet with them one-on-one without lawyers present.

Can you blame them, since they know that you want them to bleed green blood as punishment for owning a business where some wacko felt like killing people?
2013-01-02 02:34:20 PM  
4 votes:
Wow.

I figured they would just tear the farker down and call it a loss.  Forget the victims' relatives: who the hell will be able to go and enjoy a movie there without thinking about what happened?
2013-01-02 06:35:16 PM  
3 votes:

mittromneysdog: catmandu: Weatherkiss: Am I the only person who actually felt this is probably less tasteless than the article makes it sound?
*snipped for brevity*
The article is very scarce on specific details, but I'm willing to guess it isn't nearly as cold-blooded as the article says it is.

You are not the only one. As I mentioned before, having a movie as part of the remembrance is a bit tasteless, IMO, but the rest of it is fine.

If only we could read minds. If we could, I would bet money that someone somewhere in the Cinemark hierarchy was hoping this would generate a heartwarming human interest story in the local press. This was about publicity. And it was tasteless.


Is it possible that maybe they didn't intend it to hit the press at all? The only part of the article that says where it started was by the victims themselves. They decided to air these invitations to the press, not Cinemark. I mean it's within their right to go with the press and say it was tasteless for Cinemark to give them these invitations, but that would be on their behalf to do so, not Cinemark's.

They already have shown they want money from Cinemark, and by taking these invitations to the press, it could be a ploy to get money from them. Cinemark could have just wanted to keep it low key, and send invitations privately, the contents of the invitations we haven't actually seen. The article just shows the victims' side of the story. And the article reads as an attempt to generate outrage against the theatre for sympathy, given its lack of specific details.
2013-01-02 06:05:45 PM  
3 votes:
Considering the fact that Cinemark is a right wing corporation (famously, Mourdock's biggest campaign contributor) and that right wing policies led directly to the shooting of their relatives, I agree with them that it is disgusting.

Dear Next Crazy Guy,

Go shoot up Cinemark HQ.

Thanks.
2013-01-02 05:04:05 PM  
3 votes:
Correct use of the dumbass tag.  What on earth were they thinking?  Somebody actually thought this was a good idea?  The mind boggles.
2013-01-02 07:43:00 PM  
2 votes:
And this is one of those ideas that looks great on paper ("let's do a quiet ceremony to remember the victims and invite the families") and in reality has horrible, disgusting implications ("come do business in the place your loved ones took their last breath! half-off popcorn!").

This, folks, is why we get second opinions.
2013-01-02 07:36:46 PM  
2 votes:
Last year 500 people got murdered in Chicago. Should they close down Chicago?
2013-01-02 06:46:40 PM  
2 votes:

Nem Wan: So I'm not getting how this was a bad idea. Relatives of 9/11 victims were invited to the WTC site.


I wasn't aware that the WTC site is billed as fun and entertainment for the whole family.
2013-01-02 06:13:59 PM  
2 votes:

Shadowknight: vpb: What a dumb-ass idea.  I would have kept it as low key as possible.

Yeah, I think so too. Just quietly reopen. Business may suffer for a bit, but come on. The world is an old place, and you go back far enough someone probably died on every part of it at some point. My house I'm renting here in Spain is about 120+ years old. Someone probably died in the very bedroom I type this in right now.

So reopen, definitely. But don't specifically invite the families of the victims and don't make a big deal of it. Just, open and go. Drawing attention with a big grand reopening makes you look callous and inhuman.

.


This ^^^^^^

It would be different if it were a different kind of business. A movie theater is a place of entertainment and including entertainment as part of an "evening of remembrance" is just wrong. The two public places local to me that had recent mass shootings also reopened, but handled it appropriately IMHO: The Sikh Temple of Wisconsin reopened with a remembrance service and community meal (keeping with the tenets of their religion) and the Azana Spa just reopened with no fanfare.
2013-01-02 06:07:59 PM  
2 votes:

DownDaRiver: FTA: They also said the company refused to meet with them one-on-one without lawyers present.

Can you blame them, since they know that you want them to bleed green blood as punishment for owning a business where some wacko felt like killing people?


^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

So much this!! People have been sneaking into movie theaters since they were invented, it's not like this was some huge "security hole" pointed out to Cinemark and ignored. It was the back farking door of a movie theater, Cinemark had absolutely shiat to do with the people dying. As for the offer in TFA, I think it was Cinemark trying to be nice, I don't think they were trying to be "disgusting", and the '2 days after Christmas' thing wasn't designed to rub salt in open wounds, either. These people need to move the fark on. They're probably just pissed because the kids in Connecticut took all of their 'Look at me! Someone I loved has died" money.

As for the people who think it would be hard to watch a movie there, I go to Trolley Square here in Salt Lake all the time, and hardly ever think about the guy who went on a rampage there in '06. I think about it more when driving by, only because I can picture him crossing from the parking lot across the street... I could go to the Aurora theater and watch a movie. Besides, it's like in The World According To Garp, it's been "pre-disastered".
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2013-01-02 03:52:57 PM  
2 votes:
What a dumb-ass idea.  I would have kept it as low key as possible.
2013-01-02 03:32:36 PM  
2 votes:
But other than that, how was the show, Mrs. Lincoln?
2013-01-02 11:29:52 PM  
1 votes:

Dear Jerk: I thought it was a silly waste to tear down the McDonald's in San Ysidro, but as I got older, it made more sense.


Why?

I always thought the Israelis method of cleaning up and immediately rebuilding the site of a terrorist bombing was a great way of not allowing terrorist to win.

Americans seem to want to remember people's deaths and not thier lives for some reason.
2013-01-02 10:26:31 PM  
1 votes:

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2013-01-02 10:11:36 PM

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Dude, seriously?

That guy is a blowhard-obfuscator-extraordinaire, man.

I've heard him speak already, and he only confirmed my biases at least thrice.

Seriously-squared, you Republicans suck.

And that's that.
2013-01-02 09:16:01 PM  
1 votes:

Benjimin_Dover: DownDaRiver: FTA: They also said the company refused to meet with them one-on-one without lawyers present.

Can you blame them, since they know that you want them to bleed green blood as punishment for owning a business where some wacko felt like killing people?

Maybe they should have thought twice before they stuck up signs that banned guns then. They deserve to be sued as they contributed to the deaths. The reason he picked that theater in the first place was because it was a gun free zone unlike the 6 other theaters in his area that all were playing the same movie that were not gun free zones, Including one that was closer that held more people/targets.

Maybe we should ban gun free zones next based upon the number of people that have been killed by them in just this year alone.


To paraphrase the NRA, "Gun free zones don't kill people, people with guns kill people"

Scotland is one big gun free zone (we have neither open carry nor CCW) and your chances of being shot are 50 times less than in America. Food for thought.
2013-01-02 09:00:52 PM  
1 votes:
If you don't invite the families to the re-opening, YOU CATCH shiat. If you do invite the families to the re-opening, YOU CATCH shiat.

To me, it was sensible to invite them. The theater needs to re-open. The families can choose to not show up, or they can show up. It wont be a happy re-opening, but may give the families a chance to seek some closure.
2013-01-02 08:52:09 PM  
1 votes:
They could've just done nothing. Instead they invite family members to a private memorial event and movie despite the fact that they are in not to blame for what happened. Those bastards.
2013-01-02 08:31:51 PM  
1 votes:

Cyclometh: You know, sometimes people try to do something right but they're too close to whatever it is to understand that maybe it's not an appropriate gesture. I really doubt that anyone who works at Cinemark leadership was unaffected by the knowledge that all those people were murdered in one of their theaters.


Define "unaffected". Was there anyone in the entire country who didn't hear the news and think it was horrible?

How was "Cinemark leadership" more affected than some executive at a competing theater chain? Only in one way and that was because they had to deal with the publicity and one of their locations being a crime scene.

All of the "leadership" at the competing chains probably thought it was a terrible tragedy too, but I guarantee you they all were thinking "Thank God it wasn't one of ours."

So does that mean the "Cinemark leadership" felt any more of a connection to the victims or their families?

I doubt it.
2013-01-02 08:06:25 PM  
1 votes:
Meh. Clackamas Town Center reopened a few days after the psycho shoot the place up. Is it that they didn't wait enough days per victim that has people upset?
2013-01-02 07:44:30 PM  
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: Wow.

I figured they would just tear the farker down and call it a loss.  Forget the victims' relatives: who the hell will be able to go and enjoy a movie there without thinking about what happened?


In about a year or so? Nearly everyone except the ones invited this time.
2013-01-02 07:43:02 PM  
1 votes:
Well, a double dumbass on you Cinemark.
2013-01-02 07:41:45 PM  
1 votes:
Now haunted movie theater.
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2013-01-02 07:40:17 PM  
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Last year 500 people got murdered in Chicago. Should they close down Chicago?


Well... yeah, actually, they kinda should.
2013-01-02 06:58:20 PM  
1 votes:

Traumtanzer: Hard to say what was in the theater or Cinemark management's mind. To me, it's a tough call, open quietly and not acknowledge the incident or the relatives, or remember the victims and their relatives as part of the reopening.

Also, I gather from the article that Cinemark/Aurora didn't publicize the invitations, the family members did. If Cinemark publicized an 'Evening of Remembrance and a movie', that's tasteless..If they privately sent out an invitation to each person they knew were effected, that's either an attempt to acknowledge the survivors and the tragedy rather than try to sweep it all under the rug, or a publicity stunt to curry favor with the public, hard to know which..


I agree with you. I'd like to see an image of one of these invitations by the victims before condemning or applauding Cinemark. Is the invitation hand-written or printed up? How many paragraphs are devoted to the 'night of remembrance' compared to the offer of a movie? Is the movie comped? Are concessions comped? Is there a movie pass in there that can be redeemed at any time if the victim in question isn't at the point where they're ready to go back into the theatre during the re-opening? Is there any other kind of standing offer without expiration contained in the invitation?

These are all questions that need answered by the invitations in question. The evidence will say more than the victims or Cinemark will.
2013-01-02 06:52:39 PM  
1 votes:
Hard to say what was in the theater or Cinemark management's mind. To me, it's a tough call, open quietly and not acknowledge the incident or the relatives, or remember the victims and their relatives as part of the reopening.

Also, I gather from the article that Cinemark/Aurora didn't publicize the invitations, the family members did. If Cinemark publicized an 'Evening of Remembrance and a movie', that's tasteless..If they privately sent out an invitation to each person they knew were effected, that's either an attempt to acknowledge the survivors and the tragedy rather than try to sweep it all under the rug, or a publicity stunt to curry favor with the public, hard to know which..
2013-01-02 06:40:15 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah I saw this locally, thought it was in pretty poor taste. So your loved ones died in a movie theater? Here's free tickets to that theater!
2013-01-02 06:31:59 PM  
1 votes:
Damned if they do, damned if they don't. People were already complaining that the theatre wasn't reaching out enough to the families of the victims, so now they do and they get vilified for it? Neither the offer or the timing seem tasteless to me, they're in the movie business, so they are offering what they have to offer, a movie, if the shooting was in a restaurant, I'd assume a meal would be offered. What's the big deal?
2013-01-02 06:24:36 PM  
1 votes:

catmandu: Weatherkiss: Am I the only person who actually felt this is probably less tasteless than the article makes it sound?
*snipped for brevity*
The article is very scarce on specific details, but I'm willing to guess it isn't nearly as cold-blooded as the article says it is.

You are not the only one. As I mentioned before, having a movie as part of the remembrance is a bit tasteless, IMO, but the rest of it is fine.


If only we could read minds. If we could, I would bet money that someone somewhere in the Cinemark hierarchy was hoping this would generate a heartwarming human interest story in the local press. This was about publicity. And it was tasteless.
2013-01-02 06:20:42 PM  
1 votes:

Weatherkiss: Am I the only person who actually felt this is probably less tasteless than the article makes it sound?
*snipped for brevity*
The article is very scarce on specific details, but I'm willing to guess it isn't nearly as cold-blooded as the article says it is.




You are not the only one. As I mentioned before, having a movie as part of the remembrance is a bit tasteless, IMO, but the rest of it is fine.
2013-01-02 06:20:27 PM  
1 votes:

DownDaRiver: FTA: They also said the company refused to meet with them one-on-one without lawyers present.

Can you blame them, since they know that you want them to bleed green blood as punishment for owning a business where some wacko felt like killing people?


Yes, I can blame them.
2013-01-02 06:13:09 PM  
1 votes:
The families are complaining about a free movie?

If they were given a bar of gold they'd probably complain how heavy it was.
2013-01-02 06:09:14 PM  
1 votes:
So I'm not getting how this was a bad idea. Relatives of 9/11 victims were invited to the WTC site.
2013-01-02 06:02:50 PM  
1 votes:
Poland's tourist ministry would like a word.

www.fototime.com
2013-01-02 05:38:51 PM  
1 votes:
The movies are free- right?
2013-01-02 02:31:58 PM  
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: Well, at least they scuttled the plan to rename it the Crosshairs Cinema.


Surveyor's Marks Cinema has a better ring to it.
 
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