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(Salon)   Saudi religious leaders call for gang rape to meet needs of fighters in Syria. But slow down there fellas, they must be over 14 and divorced or widowed   (salon.com) divider line 80
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2013-01-02 02:43:28 PM
6 votes:
Leader, subby. Singular.

Still ridiculously barbaric and backward. Fortunately, in cases of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
2013-01-02 03:18:01 PM
5 votes:

crazyeddie: Religion. Is there anything it can do? (besides poison everything?)

Religious people should be openly ridiculed. It's the only way to deal with such idiocy.


I can think of a few things - abolition of the slave trade, the Civil Rights Movement, operate most of the private food banks, orphanages, and homeless shelters in the country.

Granted, it hasn't had near the impact that posting on Fark has, but it has done a little good.
2013-01-02 03:12:45 PM
5 votes:
Every one of these farkers deserves to die.
2013-01-02 03:12:23 PM
5 votes:
Hmm from TFA, the cleric MAY just be authorizing sex outside of marriage.

There IS precedent, within Iran no less. They declared it was ok to have a "temporary marriage" for sex. Thus oddly negating the "no sex outside of marriage" restriction entirely. It enables men to visit prostitutes as well as lovers, even in addition to a normal marriage.

He seems to just say he's authorizing extramarital sex in time of war, I don't see where he specified it would be rape. The "as young as 14" is where you'd read in a lack of consent, but that's subjective to our legal tradition here of age-of-consent.
Islam has no "pope", and clerics are largely self-declared leaders, like Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps. They may have carved out a fiefdom of followers or not, if I read the situation correctly a person can call themselves a religious leader without specific parishioners, essentially a commentator writing "letters to the editor".
2013-01-02 03:28:21 PM
4 votes:

scuffleball: "Religion of Peace" in action, liberals. They're only peaceful if you do exactly what they want, when they want, how they want.


Sorta like Christians?
2013-01-02 03:14:28 PM
4 votes:
Really, you could burn every church, mosque, temple, and farking holy site on the planet to the ground and I wouldn't wince. No sense encouraging asshats to do stupid things. They already believe in an invisible friend, so they aren't right in the head. People like that need to STFU and be medicated, incarcerated, or annihilated, depending upon how armed and or vocal they are.
2013-01-02 03:04:24 PM
4 votes:
Religion. Is there anything it can do? (besides poison everything?)

Religious people should be openly ridiculed. It's the only way to deal with such idiocy.
2013-01-02 03:03:19 PM
4 votes:
This is so unbelievable I thought it was an Onion article.
2013-01-02 03:02:27 PM
4 votes:
What's the problem? They're just following in Mohammed's footsteps. The entire religion of Islam was founded on raping underage girls.
2013-01-02 03:00:06 PM
4 votes:
"Hands off, I'm married! That's my husband!"
"A problem easily remedied."
2013-01-02 05:02:45 PM
3 votes:

o'really: It's funny how many people here think a rational solution to the imperfections of religion can be solved by widescale murder, hatred and oppression of religious people. Way to prove you are the better person.



I'm not advocating wide-scale murder. I've advocating wide-scale ridicule and mockery of people who believe in magic. Yes, not suffering fools really does make me a better person. Let me be clear: If you believe in a magic man in the sky, or if you ritually eat the flesh of your messiah, or if you believe that prayer (incantation) can affect outcomes, then yes, I am "better" in the sense of "more rational, less compartmentalized, and more intellectually honest."

o'really:Clearly, religion antisemitism has been used to justify atrocities. But it has also done a great deal of good, including bringing medicine and aid to impoverished nations making the trains run on time and creating a sense of nationalism.

You aren't arguing against our point. Religions of all types are toxic on balance and should be mocked and ridiculed openly. No one claimed that religion does no good whatsoever. Obviously, our contention is that society is worse for having religion ON BALANCE. Religion causes harm by making people believe in magic, which is a way of thinking that sets them up for future bad choices. This outweighs the fact that they have soup kitchens. BONUS: People can still do good without religion. It actually feels pretty good.

o'really:Most religious people I know give time and money regularly to poor, disadvantaged and other needy people and causes. How many of you religion- haters volunteer your time? My feeling is very few of you.

1. Your foregone conclusion is not evidence, and
2. If it were true that Astrologers gave more to charity than non-Astrologers, does that mean we should advocate for Astrology? Does it make Astrology true?

In conclusion, yes, non-religious people really are better than you. Deal with it.
2013-01-02 03:29:00 PM
3 votes:

advex101: Amos Quito: [femjapan.pbworks.com image 500x326]

The Japanese had comfort women, why not the Syrian rebels?

Can we stop calling them comfort women, that is the prefered term of the Japanese government. They were sex slaves. Call it what it is.


Nah. Take the phrase and destroy it, then throw it back in their faces. Use it as often as possible in the proper context so that "comfort women" becomes instantly synonymous with "rape victims".
2013-01-02 03:26:28 PM
3 votes:

Amos Quito: [femjapan.pbworks.com image 500x326]

The Japanese had comfort women, why not the Syrian rebels?


Can we stop calling them comfort women, that is the prefered term of the Japanese government. They were sex slaves. Call it what it is.
2013-01-02 03:23:15 PM
3 votes:
We really need to rescue all the women out of the middle east, and india. Just a mass exodus of all women as political refugees from the opressive regime that is all of the middle east, and india. Automatic visa approval and relocation, have tits and vag? exported.
2013-01-02 03:20:25 PM
3 votes:

Oznog: Hmm from TFA, the cleric MAY just be authorizing sex outside of marriage.

There IS precedent, within Iran no less. They declared it was ok to have a "temporary marriage" for sex. Thus oddly negating the "no sex outside of marriage" restriction entirely. It enables men to visit prostitutes as well as lovers, even in addition to a normal marriage.

He seems to just say he's authorizing extramarital sex in time of war, I don't see where he specified it would be rape. The "as young as 14" is where you'd read in a lack of consent, but that's subjective to our legal tradition here of age-of-consent.
Islam has no "pope", and clerics are largely self-declared leaders, like Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps. They may have carved out a fiefdom of followers or not, if I read the situation correctly a person can call themselves a religious leader without specific parishioners, essentially a commentator writing "letters to the editor".


It's kind of hard to assume any context exists here except rape when we're talking about a religious nut calling for "marriages" for the sole purpose of sex aimed at satisfying the carnal desires of what is effectively now a standing army.

You'd have to sort of ignore that whole "religion hates women" thing and the whole "rape as a tool of war" thing and the whole "women don't usually get a say in these things" thing and the whole "he said it's their religious duty" thing....

Yea, I mean... MAYBE he means that Syrian women can choose to prostitute themselves to their masculine conquerors and on a religious level it's all good.... but if I were placing I bet, I'd bet he means rape rape.
2013-01-02 03:09:10 PM
3 votes:
The "gang rape" label is wrong and misleading, submittard. Shame on you.

The cleric is merely giving approval for Syrian women to engage in a series of marriages. In rapid sequence. Against her will.

Labelling this as "gang rape" is defiling the sanctity of marriage.
2013-01-02 03:07:53 PM
3 votes:
they just need to institute the "women are for reproduction, men are for pleasure" subculture behavior that they have as religiously blessed default, pull it out of the closet and be done with it.
2013-01-02 03:04:21 PM
3 votes:
The cleric, Muhammed al-Arifi, who is a leading jihadist religious figure, made it clear that his edict called for the gang rape of Syrian women and girls. He specified that the "intercourse marriages" last only a few hours "in order to give each fighter a turn."
www.clothesthatkill.com

The fatwa calling for the gang rape of Syrian girls and women comes as anger and street protests decrying gang rape of Indian women intensify. One Indian woman who was beaten and gang raped on a bus in Mumbai died recently. Another teen victim of gang rape, who was pressured by the Indian police to marry one of her attackers, recently committed suicide.
fast1.onesite.com


/No.
//Just...No.
2013-01-02 03:02:29 PM
3 votes:
I really wish I could believe this weren't true.
2013-01-02 03:01:32 PM
3 votes:
You may not get 72 virgins in the afterlife, but you can get sloppy seconds in this life!

/I hope they all die of aids.
2013-01-02 03:00:39 PM
3 votes:
"intercourse marriages" last only a few hours "in order to give each fighter a turn."
Holy shiat! That's f*cked up.
2013-01-02 03:00:29 PM
3 votes:
Just as evangelical celebrities in the U.S. elbow their way into the news by making controversial statements about current events, so do Muslim extremists in the Middle East.
2013-01-02 05:15:51 PM
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: I can think of a few things - abolition of the slave trade, the Civil Rights Movement, operate most of the private food banks, orphanages, and homeless shelters in the country.


It's the height of dishonesty to pretend that we have religion to thank for the abolition of slavery or the civil rights movement. It's what "Liars for Jesus" do. Grab a history book and learn a bit about how the bible not only condones slavery, but was used to actively resist the rights of blacks, women, other minorities. It currently stands in the way of the teaching of science and the availability of birth control, which have been shown statistically to be the most correlated factors with women's health, societal well-being, and GDP. Look it up (or "study it out," in your language).

PS. Adam Lanza was Catholic, not atheist. He was baptised and confirmed. Google is your friend. Another lie for Jesus, FLMountainMan?  Notice that we atheists don't actually use this argument as an indictment of all Catholics, but there you have it. A Catholic who goes on a killing spree.
2013-01-02 03:57:44 PM
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: airsupport: You stay classy, islam.

This is one guy. Would you like all atheists to be judged by the actions of Adam Lanza? All Christians by Fred Phelps? Jews by Bernie Madoff?


Kinda, yeah. When your goal is an even billion, more rational, brighter humans on Earth, you aren't going to dicker over the means.

Religion makes individuals not only submissive to sky fairies, but cowardly in general. They don't have the stones to self-clean their own faiths of extremism, because they are afraid that their own moderate religiosity will be exposed as infidelity.

So, yeah, heap o' skulls is looking pretty good next to the endless compromises secularists need to make in order to appease and chuckle along the crazy godbots who can't keep themselves rationally clean.
2013-01-02 03:47:28 PM
2 votes:
Neanderthals.
2013-01-02 03:43:17 PM
2 votes:

FLMountainMan: Vegan Meat Popsicle: FLMountainMan: Vegan Meat Popsicle: FLMountainMan: I can think of a few things - abolition of the slave trade, the Civil Rights Movement, operate most of the private food banks, orphanages, and homeless shelters in the country.

[citations needed]

LOL. Do you know anything about abolition or the Civil Rights movement?

Still waiting.

Yes, I'm going to post a dissertation on the civil rights movement while I'm at work, so you can cherry pick a sentence or two to "debunk". Sounds great. I'll get right on that.

Just wiki a few names - Dr. Martin Luther King, John Brown, Harriet Beecher Stowe,


Not to mention:

Reverend George D. Armstrong, author of The Christian Doctrine of Slavery
Reverend Fred A. Ross, author of Slavery Ordained of God

Oh, wait. Those dudes are religious folks on the PRO-slavery side. Why don't you quit pretending that religion was a major force on only one side. Everyone on the pro-slavery side was using Bible verses to support their argument.
2013-01-02 03:34:48 PM
2 votes:
At first I was like... okay this guy is like the WBC of the Islamic world.

Then I thought about it. No.. no they aren't .

You see the big difference is that WBC can't make policy and enforce it through a network of religious goon squads and the support of a theocratic state.

This farkwad CAN. That's the difference. The middle east is full of governments that ARE run by the religious wackos from root to branch.

These Fatwahs... they have more or less the power of law in Islamic nations unless someone stands up to these religious nutbars and starts pushing back twice as hard.

Frankly what needs to happen is this. we all... all nations all over the world, need to lift this self imposed ban on doing harm to religious leaders and religious institutions.

Churches, Mosques, all houses of worship... if they're being used in part to further harm to society... they need to be seized and burned to the ground. Religious leaders like the jackass in the article... cut their heads off and mount them on spikes in the public square.

Ultimately it's the rotten apples that are creating these problems... but because they enrobe themselves in holy livery that noone has the guts to stand up to them and just put an end to their reigns of terror. It's ridiculous.
2013-01-02 03:20:51 PM
2 votes:

ocschwar: Can't these asswipes just wait? Their religion promises them an eternal 73some, and most of them are just days away from it..


I've never understood the "72 virgins" thing.
Give me 3-4 who know what the hell they're doing.
2013-01-02 03:20:43 PM
2 votes:

airsupport: You stay classy, islam.


This is one guy. Would you like all atheists to be judged by the actions of Adam Lanza? All Christians by Fred Phelps? Jews by Bernie Madoff?
2013-01-02 03:19:25 PM
2 votes:

Private_Citizen: /I hope they all die of aids.


No no no. Then they have a farking chance to infect others and live a relatively comfortable life. Let's go with prostrate cancer or that parasite that likes to reside in a penis...
2013-01-02 03:18:41 PM
2 votes:

Gnarwhal: This is why I hate neocons and Occupation-Iraqi-Freedumb supporters and interventionazi idiots in general. Islam is fundamentally a savage and primitive world view -- it's practitioners will never civilized. The Islamic religion does say to kill infidels wherever they are. Stealing American livelihoods at IRS gunpoint and spending it on foreign aid to Muslims is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. I think we need to admit that and arrest the perpetrators of Iraqi Freedumb for treason; those assholes are not only not Americans, but are exactly the sort of collectivist, imperialist, wealth-redistributing evil that the United States was formed in opposition to.

Sorry neocon A-holes, we (Ron Paul supporters, libertarian paleo-conservatives etc.) are the intellectual descendants of the American Revolution -- you global-commie interverionazis are its enemies.


Gnarwhal, I hate the neocons as much as you do, but get back on your meds man.

Also, paleocons suck. They're dominionists hiding behind constitutional structural arguments.
2013-01-02 03:10:43 PM
2 votes:

Snotnose: Didn't see being female as a requirement.

/ bend that "leader" over


According to a friend of mine who worked in the Saudi oil industry, many toung male workers would show up in the infirmary after their day off with "anal tearing" due to the incredible amount of unskilled butt sex that happens in a country where the sexes are socially isolated and prostitutes have been stoned into the ground for 15 centuries.

Did Muhammed foresee all the man-on-man action, I wonder?

/12 disciples walk funny.
2013-01-02 03:10:18 PM
2 votes:

inner ted: is this where i say 'religion of peace' ??

religion of peace

/booyah



Religion of piece - of ass.

I slam
I slam
I slam...
2013-01-02 03:09:20 PM
2 votes:

suthrnrunt: "women are for reproduction, menboys are for pleasure"


You got it a little wrong the first time.

If only there were tools weaker people could use to fight stronger people.

Oh, well.
2013-01-02 03:03:36 PM
2 votes:
Didn't see being female as a requirement.

/ bend that "leader" over
2013-01-02 03:02:32 PM
2 votes:
Religion of beasts?

I wish this guy was a Level 10 troller of Islam, but then I thought for a long time that's what WBC was to Christianity.

Now I know neither is trying to be funny.
2013-01-02 02:58:36 PM
2 votes:
is this where i say 'religion of peace' ??

religion of peace

/booyah
2013-01-04 07:22:10 PM
1 votes:

PsiChick: ...You actually thought women there had a choice in who they married?


No, I believe that marriage there is often political, as it is in many countries, that choice for both partners, but particularly for women, is made as much by the parents as by the individuals and that once married, women are considered as the property and responsibility of their husbands, but that while a father effectively can force a woman to marry the man of his choice, a potential husband cannot.

However, let's not get distracted by the permanent marriage arrangements of the various countries of the middle east. See the headline? Remember the article? This was about whether a Saudi cleric issued a fatwa that justified rape, when the opposite was true.

Consider this, are the rules set out by this cleric better or worse than the rules the US uses to prevent their soldiers from committing rape?

US law: No sex with girls under the age of consent. No sex without their consent.

Enforcement: After an alleged rape has taken place the soldier will be investigated, if the girl is under the age of consent it will be found to be statutory rape, if the girl is over the age of consent evidence will be taken. The soldier will be assumed innocent until proven guilty. (Except in the minds of America's enemies, where he'll be assumed guilty whether he even lays a hand on a woman or not.)


Saudi fatwa: No sex with girls under the age of consent. No sex with married women. No sex with virgins and women who have never married (assumed to be the same). No sex outside the rules of marriage.

Enforcement: Before any sexual act takes place the couple will have to go before a cleric who will verify that the above rules are met. If any are not, the temporary marriage will not be allowed. The marriage will have to have the consent of both parties, though it is likely that consent of the father will be accepted in place of consent of the woman involved.

Within the limitations of women's rights that already exist in that country, the rules of the new fatwa place more restrictions on who soldiers can have sex with and offer more protection to women, particularly in that there is no "presumed innocent" for a soldier that does not have a third party verify in advance that the sexual act is allowable. (Except in the minds of Islam's enemies, where they'll be assumed guilty whether they even lay a hand on a woman or not.)


TLDR: I am not claiming that women in the middle east have equal rights with men, I am saying that the new Saudi fatwa does not justify rape, in fact, the opposite is true.
2013-01-03 05:04:57 PM
1 votes:

I drunk what: nah, more like Morality is objective, whereas Ethics is subjective


That's sort of the same thing they were saying, I think: the objective rules/duties are imposed on you from outside, while the subjective reasoning about them is all your own doing...

But, who imposed them? Again, I'm going to go ahead and say other people... You can say a deity if you like, but I doubt you'll ever convince me of that... (And, yes, if people imposed them, they're not truly objective either... So, I suppose the only possible answer to satisfy your question using your precise and not exactly popular definition of the term "morality" would require some sort of external god-like being to have imposed them in order for them to be truly objective... But, that's merely begging the question, and you're better than resorting to silly tricks like that...)

addressing questions about it =/= it

True, but did you miss the next bit about the two terms being commonly used interchangably? We are communicating here on Fark.com, not some serious scholarly website, after all! People are most likely to be using words in the common vernacular... (Even if that sometimes annoys the shiat out of me as well, for instance when people use the same "begging the question" phrase I used above, but to mean simply "raising the question", rather than its proper meaning... But, as much as I want to remote-TCP-punch them all, it does very little good calling them all stupid idiots and using their technical incorrectness as some form of ad hominem attack against their arguments...)
2013-01-03 12:57:57 AM
1 votes:

ciberido: Vegan Meat Popsicle: occamswrist: You sound like you read one of Hitchen's books and took his word for it.

That comment didn't mean anything.

It did.  Perhaps you merely did not understand him.

I'll try putting it another way.  You want to believe a particular position ("New Atheism") so strongly that you are not willing to investigate any claims made by New Atheists.  Instead you merely accept them at face value.

Does that help?


I'll rephrase it another way(and ramble a bit to kill some time):

People arrive at atheism 1 of two ways.

1. A rational review of what religions are, as vague concepts, and through mental faculties and introspection, find fault with the conccept of Belief as a whole.
2. Because it's cool and they hate religions because they're so full of hate, etc, but with no actual intellectual work. "I dislike X, so I'm not going to be one."

Now, I move that it's entirely possible to read a book, and agree with the logic therein, and without being too intellectual about it, still be the first option, not a poser, as it were.

As a base example
I was taught 1+1=2, and I believed it right off. No need to really get all deep and introspective over it, it just is. IF I were taught 1+1=3, it wouldn't take very long at all to figure out that it's wrong. Even more akin to religion would be 1+1= Because, God!, that's a plainly innane argument.

It does not take some grand intellect or years of study to hammer out, the truth is fairly simple. The rational question isn't "does god exist", it is "Is fiction worth contemplating as fact?". Unless you're into some serious role-playing, no, not really.
With science beginning to explain the origins of matter itself(physics), human emotions(A mothers love is not god's gift, it's Oxytocin), life(chemistry), and how raindrops are not god crying(or spilling his soup, heh...more simple and graspable science), really, there are no questions that are really left with "god" being any possible answer, aside as mythos of the deluded and unenlightened or Ultimate RPGers.

It's not the source of the logic that matters, but that the logic is seen and judged as correct.

That's why #2 is a different sort. It skips the evaluation process whole sale, and picks a side for other, more arbitrary reasons. Though, one can always start there, that's often a motivator for people seeking truth, being exhausted by the problems of religion(s). You can start as that sort, but that does not limit one from becoming a fully realized atheist. We're not all on the same clock, not even the same age, people begin to question at different times and for different reasons, you(collective) got there first, big farking deal. It's like going to kindergarten and mocking the kids for being dumber than you are. No point in belittling people who are well on their way, though a little encouragement or education to help them along would be nice.
2013-01-03 12:27:23 AM
1 votes:
Hey, look at this. More bullshiat that the Fark bigots can feed off of. Seig Heil Drew!
2013-01-02 10:23:20 PM
1 votes:
9/12/2001 we should have nuked Riyadh, Mecca and Medina.
2013-01-02 07:18:34 PM
1 votes:

LL316: vudukungfu: Really, you could burn every church, mosque, temple, and farking holy site on the planet to the ground and I wouldn't wince. No sense encouraging asshats to do stupid things. They already believe in an invisible friend, so they aren't right in the head. People like that need to STFU and be medicated, incarcerated, or annihilated, depending upon how armed and or vocal they are.

And you're why people think athiests are bad people.


and history is why atheists/agnostics think the religious are holding humanity back.
2013-01-02 05:38:19 PM
1 votes:
occamswrist:
"I agree with you. I can only chalk up the fervent anger here to their age and too few life experiences."

Sadly, I don't think that's true. Probably most of the people here are older than me and set in their bitterness.

It's just one of those things that seems far too prevalent in public discourse these days. A complete unwillingness to listen to other people's views and a love of bashing anyone with differing opinions.

Rabidly anti-religious folks are as bad as the fundies.

I know I'm speaking into a void here and will probably have to sign off soon to avoid the wharrgarble. Its a beautiful day, I might take another walk with my dogs.
2013-01-02 05:25:43 PM
1 votes:
You religious types have some pretty farked up ideas.
2013-01-02 05:25:09 PM
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: JesusJuice: Islam should be purged from the west and contained in the ME where they can happily rape and murder one another far from civilized people. We have nothing in common with and nothing to learn from these subhuman barbarians.

like xtianity is so much better? plenty of atrocities committed in the name of your puppet, jesus.

Take it from a historical perspective. 1000 years ago the Muslim world was centuries ahead in medicine, mathematics (Al Gebra anyone?), sciences, etc and Europe was considered filthy and barbaric. All religion needs to die out and it eventually will. Too bad I won't be alive in the thousands of years it will take.


If religion is disease; Islam is particularly virulent. Whatever accomplishments the Muslim world made in the past are irrelevant to their present behavior. They're a danger to both the physical safety and social stability of the rest of the world. Misguided notions of 'multiculturalism' have allowed a sect which refuses to assimilate and carries values contrary to the ideals of the Enlightenment and Liberalism to pollute our societies. They must be excised like the malignant tumor they are.
2013-01-02 05:11:34 PM
1 votes:

JesusJuice: Islam should be purged from the west and contained in the ME where they can happily rape and murder one another far from civilized people. We have nothing in common with and nothing to learn from these subhuman barbarians.


like xtianity is so much better? plenty of atrocities committed in the name of your puppet, jesus.

Take it from a historical perspective. 1000 years ago the Muslim world was centuries ahead in medicine, mathematics (Al Gebra anyone?), sciences, etc and Europe was considered filthy and barbaric. All religion needs to die out and it eventually will. Too bad I won't be alive in the thousands of years it will take.
2013-01-02 05:07:11 PM
1 votes:
Islam should be purged from the west and contained in the ME where they can happily rape and murder one another far from civilized people. We have nothing in common with and nothing to learn from these subhuman barbarians.
2013-01-02 05:02:30 PM
1 votes:
give me doughnuts
o'really: But I have to laugh at the hypocrisy of people dismissing a third of the world with the words of just one man. Its the same as hating all men (or all women, or all whites, or all asians) by the words of one idiot from that group.

"When the Islamic Revolution took over Iran, one of the first things that the Ayatollah Khomeini did was lower the marriage age for girls from 18 to 9. Of course, he was just the spiritual leader for the whole country, so what does he know?"

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of terrible muslim leaders out there. Fundamentalism is a dangerous thing. But you can be just as irrational and malicious without religion, as an anti-religion nutcase.

You don't think it's hypocritical to counter hate with hate? People here are saying muslims are barbaric, let's murder them all (female victims of these fatwas too, I assume). Not barbaric at all, nope.
2013-01-02 04:59:29 PM
1 votes:

Lillya: o'really:
How many of you religion- haters volunteer your time? My feeling is very few of you.

Why is that?


Because s/he thinks that only religious folks volunteer their time to good causes. Of course, they do it because Jesus told them to rather than because they thought it was a good thing to do.
Kinda like thinking that only religious people have morals, or similar foolishness.
2013-01-02 04:32:32 PM
1 votes:
The only sources on this seem to be this video http://youtu.be/6Qvo4_hMrF4  and Iranian state-run news http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/31/280993/militants-can-marry-sy r ian-women/  both of whom hate the FSA and their allies.

This could very well be true, but it will take a bit more than two dubious "news" sources with an agenda to convince me of it. I'll reserve my outrage, pending confirmation.
2013-01-02 04:15:02 PM
1 votes:
Will this rape be shipped to Syria? What would be the proper container to hold the rape, and what would be the capacity of said container?
2013-01-02 04:11:47 PM
1 votes:

jshine: Valiente: FLMountainMan: airsupport: You stay classy, islam.

This is one guy. Would you like all atheists to be judged by the actions of Adam Lanza? All Christians by Fred Phelps? Jews by Bernie Madoff?

Kinda, yeah. When your goal is an even billion, more rational, brighter humans on Earth, you aren't going to dicker over the means.

...

So, yeah, heap o' skulls is looking pretty good next to the endless compromises secularists need to make in order to appease and chuckle along the crazy godbots who can't keep themselves rationally clean.


...so, you're recommending a religion-inspired genocide on a scale that would dwarf any other genocide in history (by a few orders of magnitude)? Seriously?


Hardly religion-inspired, no.

But yes, I do believe that a vast reduction in human numbers, said reduction disproportionally affecting the strongly religious, would be a cull I could get behind.

www.vhemt.org

In an increasingly crowded and fractious world, the use of god invocation to favour one's kin group or nation is untenable. I would prefer the human race continue on a more rational and less densely packed/wasteful basis. The alternative is the sight of two steroid-enhanced men, one a pastor and the other an imam, strangling each other to death on a small hill of emptied food ration tins, each hissing through gritted teeth millennia-old religious verses justifying their actions.
2013-01-02 03:57:33 PM
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gilgigamesh: Well this certainly goes a long way to dispelling the notion that religion is a barbaric pestilent fossil that needs to be left behind in the dustbin of history before humanity can advance out of the dark ages.


On the other hand, if religion gives men a carte blanche to open up a 40lb box of rape whenever they feel the need, and women have no say in government, then it may end up making religion all the more popular in the region.

/sure it feels wrong to my conscience, but God says its right so let's go!
2013-01-02 03:54:18 PM
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Well this certainly goes a long way to dispelling the notion that religion is a barbaric pestilent fossil that needs to be left behind in the dustbin of history before humanity can advance out of the dark ages.
2013-01-02 03:50:46 PM
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FLMountainMan: airsupport: You stay classy, islam.

This is one guy. Would you like all atheists to be judged by the actions of Adam Lanza? All Christians by Fred Phelps? Jews by Bernie Madoff?


They usually are.
2013-01-02 03:49:12 PM
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occamswrist: You sound like you read one of Hitchen's books and took his word for it.


That comment didn't mean anything.
2013-01-02 03:47:51 PM
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WelldeadLink: "Hands off, I'm married! That's my husband!"
"A problem easily remedied."


Which is when these heroic fighters of allah pull out their gun and shoot said husband.

'Now you are a widow'

/this shiat is sick, time to ban religion, it will solve most of lifes issues
2013-01-02 03:44:52 PM
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Vegan Meat Popsicle: advex101: That's like trying to rework the N word.

That's probably one of the archetypal examples of a word being claimed and turned against its original purpose.


I wouldn't claim that one as a success story. I would prefer that it be considered an unacceptable term. It should retain it's full meaning and power and unleash the kind of rage that is appropriate for such a term. I would even grant a word like that status as a "fighting word". Use it at your peril.
2013-01-02 03:42:32 PM
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Banned on the Run: In the Civil War, many civilians would follow armies around to provide goods and services to the soldiers, as well as logistical support that the army does for itself nowadays. Among these were prostitutes. Most generals frowned on this, but one encouraged it -- Gen. Joseph Hooker. (The term was around before, but Hooker popularized it.)

/csb!


Campfraus.
2013-01-02 03:40:46 PM
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In the Civil War, many civilians would follow armies around to provide goods and services to the soldiers, as well as logistical support that the army does for itself nowadays. Among these were prostitutes. Most generals frowned on this, but one encouraged it -- Gen. Joseph Hooker. (The term was around before, but Hooker popularized it.)

/csb!
2013-01-02 03:31:28 PM
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Vegan Meat Popsicle: advex101: Amos Quito: [femjapan.pbworks.com image 500x326]

The Japanese had comfort women, why not the Syrian rebels?

Can we stop calling them comfort women, that is the prefered term of the Japanese government. They were sex slaves. Call it what it is.

Nah. Take the phrase and destroy it, then throw it back in their faces. Use it as often as possible in the proper context so that "comfort women" becomes instantly synonymous with "rape victims".


Don't agree. That's like trying to rework the N word. Call it what it is, forced sexual slavery.
2013-01-02 03:30:25 PM
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Vegan Meat Popsicle: FLMountainMan: Vegan Meat Popsicle: FLMountainMan: I can think of a few things - abolition of the slave trade, the Civil Rights Movement, operate most of the private food banks, orphanages, and homeless shelters in the country.

[citations needed]

LOL. Do you know anything about abolition or the Civil Rights movement?

Still waiting.


Yes, I'm going to post a dissertation on the civil rights movement while I'm at work, so you can cherry pick a sentence or two to "debunk". Sounds great. I'll get right on that.

Just wiki a few names - Dr. Martin Luther King, John Brown, Harriet Beecher Stowe,
2013-01-02 03:28:57 PM
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stonicus: After the first "intercourse marriage", won't she be divorced now and inelligible for more rapings?


Ah, misread it...
Just curious now though, how many widowed/divorced 14 year olds are there over there?
2013-01-02 03:25:44 PM
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FLMountainMan: This is one guy. Would you like all atheists to be judged by the actions of Adam Lanza? All Christians by Fred Phelps? Jews by Bernie Madoff?


Adam Lanza didn't kill anybody in the name of no god, Bernie Madoff didn't steal any money in the name Elohim and it's highly unlikely that Fred Phelps does anything for any reason but generating attention and lawsuits.

But you keep pretending that your comment made a lick of sense.
2013-01-02 03:24:55 PM
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2013-01-02 03:22:55 PM
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FLMountainMan: I can think of a few things - abolition of the slave trade, the Civil Rights Movement, operate most of the private food banks, orphanages, and homeless shelters in the country.


[citations needed]
2013-01-02 03:20:51 PM
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I say we get this guy and Terry Jones and put them in the Tunderdome. And in instead of two men enter, one man leaves we shoot the one that wins into the Sun.
2013-01-02 03:18:39 PM
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Another one of our middle-eastern "allies". Man, we sure know how to pick 'em.
2013-01-02 03:14:51 PM
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Ugh, sometimes I wish Europe never decided to give their African colonies full autonomy.
2013-01-02 03:13:32 PM
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Oznog: Hmm from TFA, the cleric MAY just be authorizing sex outside of marriage.

There IS precedent, within Iran no less. They declared it was ok to have a "temporary marriage" for sex. Thus oddly negating the "no sex outside of marriage" restriction entirely. It enables men to visit prostitutes as well as lovers, even in addition to a normal marriage.

He seems to just say he's authorizing extramarital sex in time of war, I don't see where he specified it would be rape. The "as young as 14" is where you'd read in a lack of consent, but that's subjective to our legal tradition here of age-of-consent.
Islam has no "pope", and clerics are largely self-declared leaders, like Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps. They may have carved out a fiefdom of followers or not, if I read the situation correctly a person can call themselves a religious leader without specific parishioners, essentially a commentator writing "letters to the editor".


Stop spoiling our righteous blood rage with nuance, logic.
2013-01-02 03:12:55 PM
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Saudi Arabia? how can that be? They are staunch allies of the US and great friends of all Americans. Surely you jest!
2013-01-02 03:12:37 PM
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Valiente: Snotnose: Didn't see being female as a requirement.

/ bend that "leader" over

According to a friend of mine who worked in the Saudi oil industry, many toung male workers would show up in the infirmary after their day off with "anal tearing" due to the incredible amount of unskilled butt sex that happens in a country where the sexes are socially isolated and prostitutes have been stoned into the ground for 15 centuries.

Did Muhammed foresee all the man-on-man action, I wonder?

/12 disciples walk funny.


If only a country like that had access to high quality lubrification. It would be a gay Mecca.
2013-01-02 03:12:31 PM
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Can't these asswipes just wait? Their religion promises them an eternal 73some, and most of them are just days away from it..
2013-01-02 03:08:14 PM
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Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Leader, subby. Singular.

Still ridiculously barbaric and backward. Fortunately, in cases of legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.


It's not rape when it's her husband.
2013-01-02 03:03:09 PM
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LeroyBourne: "intercourse marriages" last only a few hours "in order to give each fighter a turn."
Holy shiat! That's f*cked up.


A few minutes, a few hours, its all the same to an Allah who can create a world in 6 days.
2013-01-02 03:02:55 PM
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A few weeks ago, he was banned from entering Switzerland or participating in the Swiss Central Islamic Council .

He's giving them lots of reasons but also: Swiss Minaret Ban
2013-01-02 03:02:53 PM
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These pigs are the same assclowns that hijacked the planes on 09/11/01.
Nothing a woodchipper and an outhouse can't fix.
2013-01-02 02:59:08 PM
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See? Being Muslim isn't ALL bad.
2013-01-02 02:57:15 PM
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Well, that's better than 9.
 
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