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(ESPN)   Jerry Jones says change is coming for the Cowboys. But not in head coach, defensive coordinator or quarterback. Also unwilling to take risks. Sounds like they should fire the GM   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2013-01-02 02:54:47 PM  
New Uniforms!!!
 
2013-01-02 02:57:08 PM  
Jackets!?

He's selling the team!?
 
2013-01-02 02:58:54 PM  
My Cowboys are going to continue along this same way until we get the remedy the Raiders did.
 
2013-01-02 02:59:16 PM  
1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: New Uniforms!!!


YEAH! Seriously, their white jersey unis need a major makeover. Any Cowboys personnel reading this, EIP. I will consult for game tickets.
 
2013-01-02 02:59:34 PM  
Headline is all there is to this: "Jerry Jones vents frustration"

He has no plan, just a "challenge" that he'll get outside consultants to look at, per his quotes. All he's doing here is "venting" and telling the fans the "drastic change" line they always want to hear after a disappointing season.

This guy is such a control freak, I wouldn't be surprised if his commenting on the playcalling escalates to naming himself OC and putting on a headset. Unless there's some kind of league rule against that that I'm not aware of.
 
2013-01-02 02:59:58 PM  
New Stadium.
 
2013-01-02 03:04:27 PM  
I think you need to do something BIG, Jerry. Make a splash. Prove to the world that you want to make drastic changes to improve your team right now. What you really need to do is make a big splash on draft day. Draft the best-known skill position player or defensive back you can possibly get. Package multiple picks and trade way, way up if you have to. That way, people will know that you're really ready to shake things up around here.
 
2013-01-02 03:06:43 PM  
How is it that a stadium that cost $400m and isn't even 20 years old (and underwent a $30m "update/renovation" in 2009) needs to be replaced? Will Jerryworld need to be torn down and replaced in 2027?

/talking about stl here
 
2013-01-02 03:11:00 PM  
In cutting off a question from one of the hosts during his segment on KRLD-FM on Wednesday morning, Jones said, "I can assure our fans this, that it's going to be very uncomfortable from my standpoint, it's going to be very uncomfortable for the next few weeks and months at Valley Ranch."

Later, he added, "Like the back of a Volkswagen".
 
2013-01-02 03:13:37 PM  
Usually, I would implore fans to stop buying tickets, merchandise, and directly supporting a team when the owner is cheap prat who has made no discernible investment (be it both financially AND emotionally) into the organization beyond moves made to enhance his or her own bottom line. This might be the first time a rather lavish spending owner who does want to win at least as much as make money deserves the same treatment.

The Cowboys need Jerry Jones to back the f*ck off and hire a GM. Fans of the team need to start speaking with their wallet.
 
2013-01-02 03:14:14 PM  
Norv Turner
 
2013-01-02 03:16:31 PM  

Di Atribe: 1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: New Uniforms!!!

YEAH! Seriously, their white jersey unis need a major makeover. Any Cowboys personnel reading this, EIP. I will consult for game tickets.


And when you draft that O-Line, make sure those guys know how to tackle.
 
2013-01-02 03:16:57 PM  
Hey Jerry,

Use a couple of draft picks on offensive linemen so Romo isn't constantly scrambling. Use all the rest of your draft picks on defense, because it sucks. Just a suggestion. Or do whatever you want. I don't care, I'm a Vikings fan.
 
2013-01-02 03:17:06 PM  
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In order to fix these problems I have created a whole new position in the Cowboys organization. The Head Coach will report directly to the new VP, Operations and Excellence, who will report to me. I have spent the last few months doing an exhaustive search for the correct person to fill this new and exciting position. Working with a team of advisers to create a comprehensive short list, the selection was unanimous. Every single person thought that there was only one person that could achieve the goal of the new position and that person was me.

So, Jason Garrett will now report to me and I, in turn, will report to me. I will have twice daily meetings with myself to make sure we are on track. I will tirelessly manage me to make sure that I am moving the organization in the right direction.

To make it easier for you I have provided this simple new chart:

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Go Cowboys!
 
2013-01-02 03:18:51 PM  
He needs him some glory hole.
 
2013-01-02 03:20:45 PM  

JolobinSmokin: Norv Turner


OhpleaseOhpleaseOhpleaseOhplease

/Skins Fan
//There is a FA D Lineman floating around somewhere just looking for a head to stomp also
 
2013-01-02 03:20:48 PM  
Some interesting statistical breakdowns of the Dallas Cowboys:

In rushing offense, the Cowboys rank 31st, at 1,265 yards.
In rushing yards per attempt, the Cowboys rank 30th, at 3.6 yards per attempt.
The Cowboys are the 3rd most penalized team in the NFL.
The Cowboys defense was 24th, allowing 25 points per game.
In the last 6 weeks of the season, the Cowboys defense gave up 28.3 points per game.
In terms of defense per pass attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In terms of defense per rush attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In kickoff returns, the Dallas Cowboys were 29th.
In punting, the Dallas Cowboys average 40 net yards, putting them at 23rd.
The Cowboys intercepted 7 passes this year, tying them for 32nd.
The Cowboys recovered 9 fumbles this year, tying them for 20th.
The Cowboys were -13 in turnover differential, making them the 3rd worst in the NFL.
In total offense, the Cowboys rank 6th, just shy of 6,000 yards of offense.
The Dallas Cowboys finished 8-8.

Anyone attempting to point a finger at a single person should note that the entire team blows donkey ass.
 
2013-01-02 03:23:25 PM  
A bigger screen in their stadium?
 
2013-01-02 03:25:56 PM  

litespeed74: A bigger screen in their stadium?


Ooooooo, I have it from an inside source, they are actually going to upgrade the screen to be 3-D!!!

/Glasses cost $35 and are mandatory upon entry to Jerrahworld
 
2013-01-02 03:27:59 PM  
New logo?
 
2013-01-02 03:28:15 PM  
Jones, who has always said he would remain the team's general manager as long as he wanted,

Don't want anymore Jerry. It's no fun for any of us and it is only going to get worse.
 
2013-01-02 03:28:48 PM  

Di Atribe: 1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.


Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.
 
2013-01-02 03:28:55 PM  

Killer Cars: Usually, I would implore fans to stop buying tickets, merchandise, and directly supporting a team when the owner is cheap prat who has made no discernible investment (be it both financially AND emotionally) into the organization beyond moves made to enhance his or her own bottom line.


Trying to get attention by not buying tickets would be tough, they'd have the same problem that you'd have trying that strategy with the Cubs. The stadium on its own is an attraction, so a bunch of opposing fans and casual fans will still buy the tickets.
 
2013-01-02 03:29:02 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: litespeed74: A bigger screen in their stadium?

Ooooooo, I have it from an inside source, they are actually going to upgrade the screen to be 3-D!!!

/Single-use Glasses cost $35 and are mandatory upon entry to Jerrahworld


/FTFY
 
2013-01-02 03:30:03 PM  

Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.


I'll point out that hey, when you have a limited amount of time and your offensive line lets a guy run right through the middle of it into your face, you're throwing to your hot route, and it briefly looked open based on the LB's first step (which is about all Romo might've seen before he was about to get hit).

You can't take the sack and you can't ground the ball. Guy just made a great play on the ball.
 
2013-01-02 03:34:10 PM  

Di Atribe: 1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: New Uniforms!!!

YEAH! Seriously, their white jersey unis need a major makeover. Any Cowboys personnel reading this, EIP. I will consult for game tickets.



All three of Romo's INTs in this past game were as pointless as INTs get. He panicks and just fires the ball downfield - how many times have we seen it? Jerry Jones is an idiot if he thinks Romo is changing any time soon or that he is going anywhere post-season with this moron at QB.

I was raised to hate the Cowboys, so I could go either way.
 
2013-01-02 03:34:48 PM  

eddievercetti: Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-02 03:35:07 PM  
Thanks for that Jerry. I'm very happy to know that the Cowboys will continue to suck well into the forseeable future.

Geaux Saints!

/Goodell can suckit too!
 
2013-01-02 03:35:12 PM  

IAmRight: Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.

I'll point out that hey, when you have a limited amount of time and your offensive line lets a guy run right through the middle of it into your face, you're throwing to your hot route, and it briefly looked open based on the LB's first step (which is about all Romo might've seen before he was about to get hit).

You can't take the sack and you can't ground the ball. Guy just made a great play on the ball.


What are you talking about? I've been told by multiple reliable football minds here that Tony Romo was supposed to do the following after the ball was snaped:
1. Audible into another play while the ball was being snapped.
2. Call a timeout.
3. Throw the ball away since that's not intentional grounding in some alternate universes.
4. Throw the ball to the "blitz beater", the position on the field the Cowboys apparently have.
5. Lay down and just take the hit on the rib that was broken, again.
 
2013-01-02 03:36:51 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Jerrahworld


Totally awesome. Now fans can see the Cowboys lose in another dimension!
 
2013-01-02 03:38:17 PM  
Tebow?
 
2013-01-02 03:40:53 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: All three of Romo's INTs in this past game were as pointless as INTs get.


Wrong. Go look at Mark Sanchez. Throwing off his back foot into double or triple coverage just because he doesn't know what to do. That's a pointless INT.

Having your dump-off pass jumped isn't even close to the same thing. His choices are to take the sack and go to 2nd and 20, or try his outlet. You can argue that he should just eat a sack, and you're probably right. But you weren't there, you don't know what he saw. Sometimes defensive players just make a good play.

And sometimes Kevin Ogletree runs the wrong route and you get to walk back to the sideline while the rest of the NFL talks about how much you "choke in big games".
 
2013-01-02 03:42:09 PM  

farbekrieg: Tebow?


As GM? I'm intrigued. Would he draft six busts each draft before discovering a future HoFer in the 7th round?
 
2013-01-02 03:43:11 PM  

Treygreen13: Some interesting statistical breakdowns of the Dallas Cowboys:

In rushing offense, the Cowboys rank 31st, at 1,265 yards.
In rushing yards per attempt, the Cowboys rank 30th, at 3.6 yards per attempt.
The Cowboys are the 3rd most penalized team in the NFL.
The Cowboys defense was 24th, allowing 25 points per game.
In the last 6 weeks of the season, the Cowboys defense gave up 28.3 points per game.
In terms of defense per pass attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In terms of defense per rush attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In kickoff returns, the Dallas Cowboys were 29th.
In punting, the Dallas Cowboys average 40 net yards, putting them at 23rd.
The Cowboys intercepted 7 passes this year, tying them for 32nd.
The Cowboys recovered 9 fumbles this year, tying them for 20th.
The Cowboys were -13 in turnover differential, making them the 3rd worst in the NFL.
In total offense, the Cowboys rank 6th, just shy of 6,000 yards of offense.
The Dallas Cowboys finished 8-8.

Anyone attempting to point a finger at a single person should note that the entire team blows donkey ass.


Take out a second mortgage in Cowboy Stadium and buy out/trade out the contracts of all their current starters?
 
2013-01-02 03:43:36 PM  

Treygreen13: Some interesting statistical breakdowns of the Dallas Cowboys:

In rushing offense, the Cowboys rank 31st, at 1,265 yards.
In rushing yards per attempt, the Cowboys rank 30th, at 3.6 yards per attempt.
The Cowboys are the 3rd most penalized team in the NFL.
The Cowboys defense was 24th, allowing 25 points per game.
In the last 6 weeks of the season, the Cowboys defense gave up 28.3 points per game.
In terms of defense per pass attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In terms of defense per rush attempt, the Cowboys defense came in 27th.
In kickoff returns, the Dallas Cowboys were 29th.
In punting, the Dallas Cowboys average 40 net yards, putting them at 23rd.
The Cowboys intercepted 7 passes this year, tying them for 32nd.
The Cowboys recovered 9 fumbles this year, tying them for 20th.
The Cowboys were -13 in turnover differential, making them the 3rd worst in the NFL.
In total offense, the Cowboys rank 6th, just shy of 6,000 yards of offense.
The Dallas Cowboys finished 8-8.

Anyone attempting to point a finger at a single person should note that the entire team blows donkey ass.


Going by those numbers, the Cowboys overachieved.
 
2013-01-02 03:43:45 PM  
All they need is a new GM, defensive coordinator, quarterback, O-line, healthy runningbacks, linebackers, corners, safeties, and head coach. So basically get rid of everyone but Whitten and Ware.
 
2013-01-02 03:45:47 PM  

GQueue: Trying to get attention by not buying tickets would be tough, they'd have the same problem that you'd have trying that strategy with the Cubs. The stadium on its own is an attraction, so a bunch of opposing fans and casual fans will still buy the tickets.


Oh totally, the Cowboys in of themselves are such a strong "brand" (ignoring some of the obvious amenities that come with them including the gigantic F*ckYouandLookAtMe Dome or whatever their stadium is called) that even a SUPER prolonged playoff drought won't drastically affect their bottom line.

The two of them are definitely different, but Cowboys somewhat remind me of my Red Sox. Too many pink hat wearing douchetards who probably couldn't even name players that were on the team just over 10 years ago have long become part of the so-called "nation" that going to games at Fenway is part of a manufactured social scene way more so than a sporting event....meaning, simply, it doesn't matter what the product on the field is, and how it preforms. It's there, and tweeting a few blurry Instagram pics of the Green Monster carries enough cachet on its own, as stupid as that is.

/not saying the Cowboys and Sox don't have plenty of knowledgeable, diehard fans, just the bandwagoners/hangers-on are plentiful.
 
2013-01-02 03:51:45 PM  

Treygreen13: Insatiable Jesus: All three of Romo's INTs in this past game were as pointless as INTs get.

Wrong. Go look at Mark Sanchez. Throwing off his back foot into double or triple coverage just because he doesn't know what to do. That's a pointless INT.

Having your dump-off pass jumped isn't even close to the same thing. His choices are to take the sack and go to 2nd and 20, or try his outlet. You can argue that he should just eat a sack, and you're probably right. But you weren't there, you don't know what he saw. Sometimes defensive players just make a good play.

And sometimes Kevin Ogletree runs the wrong route and you get to walk back to the sideline while the rest of the NFL talks about how much you "choke in big games".


Romo apologia to the max. The final killer interception was perhaps the shiattiest non-Sanchez INT this year. The throw itself was awful, and was a high arc that seemed to hover in the air for about ten seconds, giving the Redskins LB (who was slow as shiat) to get to the ball. Yeah, the OLine didn't pick up the blitz correctly, but holy shiat, Romo's pass ended the game. A 2nd and 20, and they still had an outside shot. Call it for what it was: a shiatty throw by an overrated but shiatty QB.
 
2013-01-02 03:51:51 PM  

Comic Book Guy: Take out a second mortgage in Cowboy Stadium and buy out/trade out the contracts of all their current starters?


Well, part of that is explainable. The offensive line is atrocious in run-blocking and their starting RB missed half the season. The Cowboys outside of one player are only "commonly" penalized... Doug Free is the most penalized player in the NFL at 15 total penalties... including 7 CRUSHING offensive holding penalties. The defense was a M*A*S*H* unit, including the vast majority of the middle of the defense being backups or backups of backups. Their starting punter went out with injury so the backup punter has been in, and is bad. The secondary had one really veteran guy left, and he was newly signed... their biggest player in the secondary is a rookie.

The Cowboys have had exactly *one* bright spot this year, and it has been the passing game. It's the only part of their game that is functional in any way. Like my stats say, the Cowboys are 3rd in passing production and 31st in running production, not to mention in the bottom 3rd or bottom 5 in nearly every other statistical category. And the morons here say "well if we just get rid of Romo".

Yeah. The team is the one of the worst in the NFL at everything *but* passing and you won half your games and were 1 game out of the playoffs, and the answer is to gut the last part of your team that does anything but suck.
 
2013-01-02 03:54:56 PM  
The entire team is great. All they need to do is get rid of that terrible tight end and that awful receiver. Send them to Buffalo as punishment. This way they would instantly improve their offense, Jerry would look awesome and Buffalo would get the players their fans deserve.

/briar patch buffalo fan
 
2013-01-02 03:55:12 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Romo apologia to the max. The final killer interception was perhaps the shiattiest non-Sanchez INT this year. The throw itself was awful, and was a high arc that seemed to hover in the air for about ten seconds, giving the Redskins LB (who was slow as shiat) to get to the ball. Yeah, the OLine didn't pick up the blitz correctly, but holy shiat, Romo's pass ended the game. A 2nd and 20, and they still had an outside shot. Call it for what it was: a shiatty throw by an overrated but shiatty QB.


So you think that the Romo's intercepted dump-off to his RB when nobody blocked a guy is the worst non-Sanchez pass this year?
www.seoboy.com
Please. Tony makes mistakes and should have taken a sack there. But everybody loves to point out his failures and simply refuses to admit that he's a good player on a bad team.
 
2013-01-02 03:56:11 PM  

Treygreen13: Doug Free is the most penalized player in the NFL at 15 total penalties... including 7 CRUSHING offensive holding penalties.


That's seriously impressive. There's a couple guys on the Seahawks O-line (Okung, Giacomini; we're looking at you) that I swear are good for multiple penalties game.

Like, I think Russell Wilson actually calls out "Giacomini, Personal Foul 180, HUT HUT".
 
2013-01-02 03:58:39 PM  

Killer Cars: Usually, I would implore fans to stop buying tickets, merchandise, and directly supporting a team when the owner is cheap prat who has made no discernible investment (be it both financially AND emotionally) into the organization beyond moves made to enhance his or her own bottom line. This might be the first time a rather lavish spending owner who does want to win at least as much as make money deserves the same treatment.

The Cowboys need Jerry Jones to back the f*ck off and hire a GM. Fans of the team need to start speaking with their wallet.


I've been imploring Redskins fans to do the same for a decade, never worked. Granted, they're getting better, but not having high picks or cap space in the coming years is going to keep them from being a true contender.
 
2013-01-02 04:01:31 PM  

Killer Cars: That's seriously impressive. There's a couple guys on the Seahawks O-line (Okung, Giacomini; we're looking at you) that I swear are good for multiple penalties game.


Okung has been good. Giacomini has been pretty great recently too. Don't recall having seen a PF from him in a few weeks.

But yeah, that dude loves fighting. I do find myself after half of the good plays yelling at the screen DAMMIT GIACOMINI DON'T COMMIT A PERSONAL FOUL NOW
 
2013-01-02 04:02:05 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: a shiatty throw by an overrated but shiatty QB.


Who overrates him? This is the shiattiest argument ever. "Waaaaaaaaaaah he's so overrated!!11!" You hate the Cowboys anyway. Why do you even bother to pretend to have an objective look at the situation?


Killer Cars: F*ckYouandLookAtMe Dome


Sigh. So any time someone has a nice stadium, it's "farkYouandLookAtMe Dome?" Seriously?


Killer Cars: /not saying the Cowboys and Sox don't have plenty of knowledgeable, diehard fans, just the bandwagoners/hangers-on are plentiful.


Honestly, most teams that have enjoyed any sort of mild success is gonna have those. But unfortunately for you, it doesn't matter. And getting yourself all angrified over who is a fan & why is a huge waste of your time. If you watch sports so you can judge other fans in order to show what a good fan you are, then you're doing it wrong.

Seriously, your entire post was made up of shiat you made up in your head. None of it matters.
 
2013-01-02 04:07:06 PM  

the biggest redneck here: I've been imploring Redskins fans to do the same for a decade, never worked. Granted, they're getting better, but not having high picks or cap space in the coming years is going to keep them from being a true contender.


You think so? Really? That ol' Bobby Three Sticks & that Morris fellow may help you guys out there.

And that's not snark. I really do think the Redskins are going to be *gulp* top of the NFC East for a while. *coughcry*
 
2013-01-02 04:10:20 PM  

Di Atribe: And that's not snark. I really do think the Redskins are going to be *gulp* top of the NFC East for a while. *coughcry*


They'll have a lot of problems going forward because, again, they have no first-rounders for the next two years now. The guys they have are nice, but you have to have depth to compete for the full year (or an extraordinary amount of luck).
 
2013-01-02 04:11:12 PM  

Treygreen13: Comic Book Guy: Take out a second mortgage in Cowboy Stadium and buy out/trade out the contracts of all their current starters?

Well, part of that is explainable. The offensive line is atrocious in run-blocking and their starting RB missed half the season. The Cowboys outside of one player are only "commonly" penalized... Doug Free is the most penalized player in the NFL at 15 total penalties... including 7 CRUSHING offensive holding penalties. The defense was a M*A*S*H* unit, including the vast majority of the middle of the defense being backups or backups of backups. Their starting punter went out with injury so the backup punter has been in, and is bad. The secondary had one really veteran guy left, and he was newly signed... their biggest player in the secondary is a rookie.

The Cowboys have had exactly *one* bright spot this year, and it has been the passing game. It's the only part of their game that is functional in any way. Like my stats say, the Cowboys are 3rd in passing production and 31st in running production, not to mention in the bottom 3rd or bottom 5 in nearly every other statistical category. And the morons here say "well if we just get rid of Romo".

Yeah. The team is the one of the worst in the NFL at everything *but* passing and you won half your games and were 1 game out of the playoffs, and the answer is to gut the last part of your team that does anything but suck.


Soooooo...par for the course as far as Cowboys fans are concerned?

/I can't seem to stop posting snarky Cowboys comments today
//Must still be residual euphoric overconfidence from Sunday
/Gotta enjoy it while it lasts
 
2013-01-02 04:15:14 PM  
They should have gotten rid of Romo a long time ago... As someone who dislikes the Cowboys I'm glad they haven't.

a.espncdn.com

////Yeah I know he's not the only problem on that team...
 
2013-01-02 04:15:48 PM  

TheOther: Going by those numbers, the Cowboys overachieved.


You're right. They were lucky to be 8-8 and were a fingertip and a bounce away from being 10-6.

What really kills me was the idea that the Cowboys, if they had won in week 17, could have had the wonderful opportunity to go up to Seattle and get their teeth kicked in by a Seahawks running game that would have made Alfred Morris's 200 yards and 3 rushing TDs look like a pop warner game. The Seahawks absolutely manhandled the Cowboys interior defense when they were healthy. In the 4th quarter of their previous meeting, the Cowboys had the ball for something like 15 seconds. Imagine how it would have been now with most of the defense hurt.

I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups. And you think people are tough on Romo now, imagine if he had gone to Seattle *again* and gotten a loss. It wouldn't have mattered what he did, a week ago he put up 416 and 4TDs and *lost* because his defense couldn't stop anyone.

Yet, here, you hear it anyway. "Well if Romo makes this pass they could have scored 35 and won!" Fark you, Cowboys fans. Nobody should have to score 30+ every week to win.

Everyone says, "well he should just throw the ball away" or "he should just take a sack". But why? What is his motivation to just lay down and let the defense try to hold? They won't. Their shiatty punter will flop it 25 yards and then any RB without polio will grind the clock out. If he goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again, it's his fault. Nobody will say, "Well I really think the Cowboys need to shore up on depth at their inside linebacker positon" they'll say "BUT IN THE 2ND QUARTER IF ROMO THROWS THIS PASS THEY WOULD HAVE BETTER FIELD POSITION!" If he completes every pass he throws and they lose because the defense gave up 60 points, it's his fault. If they win, it's "well go win the next one and then we'll see". His only hope is to sling it every chance he gets because there is no positive outcome of him not slinging it. His team doesn't force turnovers, it can't stop anyone, it can't run, they can't pass block, and the only play his coach knows is "throw it to somebody".
 
2013-01-02 04:17:19 PM  

IAmRight: You can't take the sack


Why not?
 
2013-01-02 04:17:39 PM  
Tony Romo is a poor game manager and is on an offense driven by a HC who is ALSO a terrible game manager.

In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.
 
2013-01-02 04:17:59 PM  

Di Atribe: Sigh. So any time someone has a nice stadium, it's "farkYouandLookAtMe Dome?" Seriously?


Is there a moratorium on sarcasm now? Go ahead and poke fun at any one of my favorite teams. I won't get mad.

Di Atribe: And getting yourself all angrified over who is a fan & why is a huge waste of your time. If you watch sports so you can judge other fans in order to show what a good fan you are, then you're doing it wrong.


Not sure where you got THAT exactly. Remember that my opening salvo was, essentially, "for things to change quickly, the fans should change their behavior". I'm pointing out a change in part of the fan culture in Boston has sort of hurt what leverage said fans may have in actually sending a message to the organization. Hockey is enough a niche sport that once the diehards got pissed off with the Bruins lackluster performance (and cheapness especially), there weren't many others to attend games. Jeremy Jacobs got the message, and while I still hate his guts, he finally opened his checkbook and amazingly the talent increased and the Cup came back to town.

I'm bored at work and typing stuff, you really think I sit around and GRRR at these things?
 
2013-01-02 04:18:14 PM  

Deneb81: Tony Romo is a poor game manager and is on an offense driven by a HC who is ALSO a terrible game manager.

In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.


Go watch the play and look at Dez Bryant.

Seriously, go watch it.
 
2013-01-02 04:20:14 PM  

Treygreen13: TheOther: Going by those numbers, the Cowboys overachieved.

You're right. They were lucky to be 8-8 and were a fingertip and a bounce away from being 10-6.

What really kills me was the idea that the Cowboys, if they had won in week 17, could have had the wonderful opportunity to go up to Seattle and get their teeth kicked in by a Seahawks running game that would have made Alfred Morris's 200 yards and 3 rushing TDs look like a pop warner game. The Seahawks absolutely manhandled the Cowboys interior defense when they were healthy. In the 4th quarter of their previous meeting, the Cowboys had the ball for something like 15 seconds. Imagine how it would have been now with most of the defense hurt.

I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups. And you think people are tough on Romo now, imagine if he had gone to Seattle *again* and gotten a loss. It wouldn't have mattered what he did, a week ago he put up 416 and 4TDs and *lost* because his defense couldn't stop anyone.

Yet, here, you hear it anyway. "Well if Romo makes this pass they could have scored 35 and won!" Fark you, Cowboys fans. Nobody should have to score 30+ every week to win.

Everyone says, "well he should just throw the ball away" or "he should just take a sack". But why? What is his motivation to just lay down and let the defense try to hold? They won't. Their shiatty punter will flop it 25 yards and then any RB without polio will grind the clock out. If he goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again, it's his fault. Nobody will say, "Well I really think the Cowboys need to shore up on depth at their inside linebacker positon" they'll say "BUT IN THE 2ND QUARTER IF ROMO THROWS THIS PASS THEY WOULD HAVE BETTER FIELD POSITION!" If he completes every pass he throws and they lose because the defense gave up 60 points, it's his fault. If they win, it's "well go win the next one and then we'll see". His only hope is to sling it every chance he gets because there is no positive outcome of him not slinging it. His team doesn't force turnovers, it can't stop anyone, it can't run, they can't pass block, and the only play his coach knows is "throw it to somebody".


As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.
 
2013-01-02 04:21:27 PM  

Deneb81: As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.


Wouldn't really matter where they played. The difference in the teams is too great and the Cowboys are *worse* than they were in the previous meeting.
 
2013-01-02 04:21:55 PM  
His interviews and press conferences over the last 15 years (and ESPECIALLY in the last six months) have demonstrated one unassailable, true conclusion - Jerry is interested in running his team his way, and will do whatever he can to take all of the credit if it finally works. It's more important than winning. It's more important than the game. It's more important that his players and staff.

He won't fire himself as GM because he has "his way of doing things". He won't let a coach have control of the team because he has "his system that he wants to install and see success with". He won't use or trust a talent scout because he "knows talent in this league". He's been proven wrong for 20 years since he took up the reins from Jimmy - who knew what the hell he was doing - and simply will not admit that he's a good owner, a great salesman, but a below average GM, a clueless leader of coaching staff, and a TERRIBLE evaluator of talent.
 
2013-01-02 04:24:04 PM  

Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.


Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.
 
2013-01-02 04:24:53 PM  

Slow To Return: IAmRight: You can't take the sack

Why not?


Okay, you can, but then you're similarly going to get criticized for taking a sack at your own 20, bringing up 2nd and 19, forcing you to burn a timeout. Oh, BTW, that's 2nd and 19 with both of your top two WRs out. And that's assuming you're able to hold onto the ball.

His process on the play was fine. The result wasn't. "Bad" interceptions are the result of a poor process, not simply because of a poor result. That play wasn't in the top 50 bad INTs this season, just like Tate's simultaneous catch wasn't in the top 50 of poor calls by officials this season.

People seem to have a problem differentiating "worst" or "best" with "most widely seen."
 
2013-01-02 04:25:21 PM  

Treygreen13: I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups.


The 2010 Green Bay Packers laugh at your constant use of the injury excuse.
 
2013-01-02 04:25:48 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.

Wouldn't really matter where they played. The difference in the teams is too great and the Cowboys are *worse* than they were in the previous meeting.


Oh I agree. Just pointing out that it would have been at home.

Romo is like the Anti-Flacco. All sorts of stats, terrible record in games that matter.

Both are streaky though.
 
2013-01-02 04:26:35 PM  

Killer Cars: Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.

Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.


There's nothing he could have done. If anyone goes back and watches the play, they'll see him under center calling the play and lining people up

But people who think Romo was responsible for that are the type of people who don't understand football and don't know anything about the game other than "Quarterback should be leadering!"
 
2013-01-02 04:27:19 PM  

Killer Cars: Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.

Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.


Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.

As a Ravens fan - Thanks!
 
2013-01-02 04:30:20 PM  

mjones73: ////Yeah I know he's not the only problem on that team...


He's the strongest point on the team. He makes some bad decisions and tries to get cute instead of throwing the ball away. But he's the only reason they're not a 2 or 3 win team this year. No offensive line, and half of the defense was working at Wal-Mart when the season started. Look, I'm not saying he's in the "elite" category, but pinning him as a problem point in this club is delusional. He's easily better than 15 starting QBs in the league today. Give him a real o-line and he's top 10.
 
2013-01-02 04:31:19 PM  

IAmRight: Okay, you can, but then you're similarly going to get criticized for taking a sack at your own 20, bringing up 2nd and 19, forcing you to burn a timeout. Oh, BTW, that's 2nd and 19 with both of your top two WRs out.


A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.
 
2013-01-02 04:31:24 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups.

The 2010 Green Bay Packers laugh at your constant use of the injury excuse.


The 2010 Green Bay Packers gave up 16, 21, and 14 points in their playoff run. In their last 6 weeks of the regular season, they gave up 14.333 points per game.

The Cowboys gave up nearly 30 ppg in the last 6 weeks. The defense was shiat.
 
2013-01-02 04:34:57 PM  

Treygreen13: The 2010 Green Bay Packers gave up 16, 21, and 14 points in their playoff run. In their last 6 weeks of the regular season, they gave up 14.333 points per game.

The Cowboys gave up nearly 30 ppg in the last 6 weeks. The defense was shiat.


The game I watched on Sunday night, DeMarcus Ware seemed to be the defender that got punked the most.
 
2013-01-02 04:35:20 PM  

Deneb81: Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.


Jason Garrett told him to try to run the play. As soon as it was clear Dez wasn't running back they called a timeout. I don't know how you put any blame on him. He's just following the instructions given to him.

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.


Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.
 
2013-01-02 04:36:37 PM  

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.


You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.

Sometimes the defense just makes a good play (and sometimes your offensive line sucks such massive donkey balls that the defense makes many more good plays than usual).

I know that I used to watch the Seahawks offensive line and get mad on the rare occasions where they gave up immediate pressure. Then I started watching Dallas, Chicago, and Green Bay's lines and became a lot more appreciative of what the Seattle line does.

/though they did have a bad game for them on Sunday
 
2013-01-02 04:37:07 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm bored at work and typing stuff, you really think I sit around and GRRR at these things?


I don't know! You made a lot of words! What am I supposed to think? :P

Killer Cars: Remember that my opening salvo was, essentially, "for things to change quickly, the fans should change their behavior".


It's easy for the die hard fans to quit going to games & quit buying stuff. But what happens when we all quit going? The opponents' fans buy up the tickets. The wine & cheese crowd shows up. Jerry still gets his money. So I quit buying Cowboys gear. Every birthday & Christmas, someone gets me more Cowboys gear (which I love, never stop doing that). Jerry still gets his money. We're probably going to still watch the TV broadcasts. High ratings for the games = Jerry still gets his money. And THEN you walk that line.... am I walking out on my team? Am I quitting? Am I being a bad fan? Do you really think I'm going to just quit watching games or talking about them?

The Dallas Cowboys Team of Football is the most valuable franchise in the NFL & the second most valuable sports franchise in the world. It's practically impossible for enough fans to make an impact on a $2.1B company. And for what? Until which demands are met? Hire a GM? Hire an OC? Get rid of [X] player? I mean, it's just not tenable. It's not going to happen. I mean, mostly all we can do is biatch online.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
2013-01-02 04:37:35 PM  

Treygreen13: Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.


In fairness, Eli throws his desperation passes deep and has nobody receivers bail him out over and over.
 
2013-01-02 04:37:59 PM  
Tony Romo likes to throw interceptions. It makes the man happy.
 
2013-01-02 04:39:52 PM  

Slow To Return: The game I watched on Sunday night, DeMarcus Ware seemed to be the defender that got punked the most.


Ware is good, but he's a one-trick pony. He's a pass rusher. If the QB does anything but stand there and get hit, you might as well be asking him to do trigonometry. Occasionally they'll get cute and drop him back into coverage, but he's no good at it. He's not really a great tackler except of QBs... not that it really matters. The Cowboys had 1 sack in 3 weeks. They got *2* hurries in the Saints game. That was the bright spot on defense. Two hurries... unless you count a forced fumble that bounced 20 yards forward into the hands of Jimmy Graham a "highlight".
 
2013-01-02 04:40:09 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.

Jason Garrett told him to try to run the play. As soon as it was clear Dez wasn't running back they called a timeout. I don't know how you put any blame on him. He's just following the instructions given to him.

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.

Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.


It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.

And the fact that 'Garrett told him to' doesn't help with my comment that both are Andy Reid bad at game and clock management.
 
2013-01-02 04:41:08 PM  

IAmRight: You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.


Yeah, let me rephrase. "Blindly floating a dead-duck pass is rarely a good idea."
 
2013-01-02 04:41:24 PM  
Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?
 
2013-01-02 04:42:42 PM  

Di Atribe: eddievercetti: Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.

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It's not like Jerry Darth Sidious Jones is leaving his GM job anytime soon.
 
2013-01-02 04:42:44 PM  

Slow To Return: Yeah, let me rephrase. "Blindly floating a dead-duck pass is rarely a good idea."


Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.
 
2013-01-02 04:44:04 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.

In fairness, Eli throws his desperation passes deep and has nobody receivers bail him out over and over.


There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.
 
2013-01-02 04:44:33 PM  

IAmRight: Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.

You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.

Sometimes the defense just makes a good play (and sometimes your offensive line sucks such massive donkey balls that the defense makes many more good plays than usual).

I know that I used to watch the Seahawks offensive line and get mad on the rare occasions where they gave up immediate pressure. Then I started watching Dallas, Chicago, and Green Bay's lines and became a lot more appreciative of what the Seattle line does.

/though they did have a bad game for them on Sunday


Tom Cable struggled in planning for the Rams during both games. Say what you will about the Rams, but they are very creative with their DLine and their blitz packages.
 
2013-01-02 04:47:17 PM  

IAmRight: Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.


You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.

Someone at work made the comment, "The defender just made a great play on the ball."

All I had in response was a blank stare.... It's the NFL not Pop Warner - you have to expect defenders to make great plays. It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.
 
2013-01-02 04:48:27 PM  

Deneb81: It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.


You can't spike the ball with receivers not on the line. Spiking the ball isn't something you can do with Dez Bryant standing 20 yards downfield yelling at an official. Blame Dez.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?


I'll do that when Romo's Quarterback Talents are the reason they're losing. Instead, they're the only reason the Cowboys aren't 3-13 this year. Look at my stats at the start of the thread. The Cowboys are an abysmal NFL team outside of the passing game.

Why is the QB position the only position that people don't understand is "part of the team"? The QB isn't the only player on the team.
 
2013-01-02 04:49:47 PM  

Slow To Return: You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.


It was a bad pass. Of course, it was made under duress because nobody blocked a rusher and Tony did have a broken rib. Again.
 
2013-01-02 04:50:33 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times


I think we can look back at all the fine WRs who have left the Cowboys and gone on to do great things elsewhere as proof that it's just Romo. Laurent Robinson, how's that going for you? TO, any comments on your post-Cowboys career? Roy Williams, are you even still alive?

Let's look at the Cowboys RBs. Their last RB to crack 1000 yards? The sack of sh*t that is Julius Jones (1084 in 2006 - yes I'm still bitter that the Seahawks wasted time and money on that no-talent assclown).

Jason Garrett has been pretty well known as a terrible play-caller for years.

Can't comment on the O-Line for the past several years, but it has indeed been godawful in every game I've seen of the Cowboys' this year (admittedly, I try not to watch many).
 
2013-01-02 04:51:09 PM  

Treygreen13: There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.


To be honest, man, I don't give two shiats about comparing Romo and Manning.

What bums me out is the fact that the Cowboys are exactly .500 in the 21st Century.

I don't really care who you wanna blame. I'm just sick of it.
 
2013-01-02 04:53:22 PM  

Slow To Return: You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.


No, I've just watched a lot of football this year and I don't understand everyone's constant need to make the most recent thing into the best/worst of all time. Also, as a Seahawks fan I've seen the Cardinals twice and the Jets this year.
 
2013-01-02 04:53:22 PM  

Slow To Return: It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.


To be fair, you shouldn't throw a missile either to the RB sweeping out of the backfield like that. RBs aren't WRs and it was a short distance, so Romo's read (as wrong as it was) would have told him "RB wide open in short flat"...I mean, if that's your "read" of the situation, why wouldn't you just float the ball to him and let the RB run under it?

The throw just looked worse because the type of play it was (and the fact a LB so easily picked it off).
 
2013-01-02 04:54:35 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.

To be honest, man, I don't give two shiats about comparing Romo and Manning.

What bums me out is the fact that the Cowboys are exactly .500 in the 21st Century.

I don't really care who you wanna blame. I'm just sick of it.


As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."

If people looked at teams as a combination of 53 players, rather than some physical manifestation of the aura of the QB, I'd have a lot less issue with anything anyone said.
 
2013-01-02 04:54:41 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.

You can't spike the ball with receivers not on the line. Spiking the ball isn't something you can do with Dez Bryant standing 20 yards downfield yelling at an official. Blame Dez.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?

I'll do that when Romo's Quarterback Talents are the reason they're losing. Instead, they're the only reason the Cowboys aren't 3-13 this year. Look at my stats at the start of the thread. The Cowboys are an abysmal NFL team outside of the passing game.

Why is the QB position the only position that people don't understand is "part of the team"? The QB isn't the only player on the team.


A - how did Dez wind up 20 yards out on a 1 yard route? Idiot receiver or idiot play call in crunch time when a penalty already put you in FG range with one TO?
B - Time out by either Romo or Garrett and you have 20s at least to run a play to the sidelines. Make the call if its clear Dez is costing too much time.
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.
D - all signs point to poor game/clock management.
 
2013-01-02 04:54:46 PM  

Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.


You can tell it is pretty bad when Di is the first one to throw Tony (Antonio) Romo under the bus in a Cowboys thread
 
2013-01-02 04:57:13 PM  

Treygreen13: In total offense, the Cowboys rank 6th, just shy of 6,000 yards of offense.


given that plus the fact that the rushing offense sucks show that Romo really is the one bright spot on the team.
 
2013-01-02 04:57:14 PM  

Treygreen13: As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."


I do like to point out that the Redskins are 1-5 without Pierre Garcon this year and 11-0 with him in the lineup.

Also, Denver's kick returner (can't remember the name, close to the end of the day at work so I'm not going to look him up) had a perfect season this year - he went 5-0 with the Texans, got cut, went 11-0 with the Broncos. GIVE THAT MAN HIS BANNER

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2013-01-02 04:57:26 PM  

Killer Cars: Slow To Return: It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.

To be fair, you shouldn't throw a missile either to the RB sweeping out of the backfield like that. RBs aren't WRs and it was a short distance, so Romo's read (as wrong as it was) would have told him "RB wide open in short flat"...I mean, if that's your "read" of the situation, why wouldn't you just float the ball to him and let the RB run under it?

The throw just looked worse because the type of play it was (and the fact a LB so easily picked it off).


The worst part to me is that they LET A DEFENDER THROUGH UNBLOCKED. Nobody cares that the offensive line absolutely blew it. Or that Jason Hatcher commits an absolutely killer penalty on the next drive that would have given them another chance. Or that the defense gave up 200 yards rushing and 3 TDs.
 
2013-01-02 04:59:55 PM  

Treygreen13: As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."


You feed into this yourself.

You like to say, when the Cowboys lose, how it's a team game and it's not all Tony's fault. But then in the same breath, you turn around and give Tony all the credit when they win with statements like, "they'd be 3-13 without him."
 
2013-01-02 05:00:06 PM  

IAmRight: Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.


Second sign that things are really really not good for Romo: IAmRight is white knighting Romos Qbacking.
 
2013-01-02 05:02:57 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?


As soon as those things stop being crippling to him every game. Why pin the losses on the QB? because "he's the guy who has to take the fall"? Drop him for some other random guy, and you're in an even worse position. With moderate protection, he performs really well.

The numbers are clear - Romo isn't the problem. Trying to pin it on him is delusional.

Romo:
3rd in passing yards total
3rd passing yards per game
5th in completion percentage
6th in touchdowns

Team:
31st in rushing offense
30th in rushing yards per attempt
19th in defense (total yards)
24th in points allowed

Other than his 19 interceptions, why would any rational person look at Romo as even a top 10 problem on this team?
 
2013-01-02 05:04:40 PM  

IAmRight: No, I've just watched a lot of football this year and I don't understand everyone's constant need to make the most recent thing into the best/worst of all time. Also, as a Seahawks fan I've seen the Cardinals twice and the Jets this year.


Oh, although it was a bad pass, it definitely wasn't the worst of all-time. I said it in another thread, the Redskins knew Romo's tendencies and they dialed up the perfect defense for that play. The LB probably knew he had a pick before Romo even released the ball.

Reminded me of the most perfectly defended passes I've seen in recent years - that Saints DB who pick-sixed Manning in the Super Bowl.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:01 PM  

Khellendros: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?

As soon as those things stop being crippling to him every game. Why pin the losses on the QB? because "he's the guy who has to take the fall"? Drop him for some other random guy, and you're in an even worse position. With moderate protection, he performs really well.

The numbers are clear - Romo isn't the problem. Trying to pin it on him is delusional.

Romo:
3rd in passing yards total
3rd passing yards per game
5th in completion percentage
6th in touchdowns

Team:
31st in rushing offense
30th in rushing yards per attempt
19th in defense (total yards)
24th in points allowed

Other than his 19 interceptions, why would any rational person look at Romo as even a top 10 problem on this team?


Timing of his failures. Romo has earned a reputation of failing at inopportune times. That pick just adds to the legend.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:36 PM  

IAmRight: Denver's kick returner (can't remember the name, close to the end of the day at work so I'm not going to look him up) had a perfect season this year - he went 5-0 with the Texans, got cut, went 11-0 with the Broncos. GIVE THAT MAN


The guy from LSU, Trindon Holliday or something.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:48 PM  
Deneb81:
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.

I love your plan. 10s run off and take an "offensive offsides" for 5 yards of field position! Brilliant!

I'll send this over to Jerry right away.

Seriously, it was another week where the team gave up 30+ on defense and a kickoff return for a TD, and the kicker misses a FG as time expires, and it's Romo's fault that Dez Bryant is standing with his back to the play.

I mean, take a second, evaluate your position here. They lost 28-31 after Romo led an 80 yard comeback TD drive and would have been tied if Dez Bryant doesn't let a 2-point conversion bounce off his hands in the end-zone.

This is exactly the kind of shiat I'm talking about. It's insanity. No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.
 
2013-01-02 05:08:40 PM  

Treygreen13: No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.


Danny White?
 
2013-01-02 05:09:56 PM  

Slow To Return: You like to say, when the Cowboys lose, how it's a team game and it's not all Tony's fault. But then in the same breath, you turn around and give Tony all the credit when they win with statements like, "they'd be 3-13 without him."


That's because *with him* they're the team they are right now, and without him, they're an entirely different team.

In an alternate universe where Phillip Rivers is the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, do they go to the playoffs? Do they win 6 games? Do they win 3? You don't even like the guy, but can you honestly say that the Cowboys aren't a better team with him than any other "available" QB out there?
 
2013-01-02 05:13:15 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.

Danny White?


Don't even get me started on Danny White. Guy went to 2 NFC Championship games and had 6 playoff wins and people talk about him like he's Jamarcus Russel here in Dallas.
 
2013-01-02 05:13:29 PM  
What the Cowboys need to do is draft all Running backs and Wide receivers this year.
 
2013-01-02 05:14:59 PM  

Treygreen13: In an alternate universe where Phillip Rivers is the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, do they go to the playoffs? Do they win 6 games? Do they win 3? You don't even like the guy, but can you honestly say that the Cowboys aren't a better team with him than any other "available" QB out there?


I'm pretty sure that as someone who lives in the DFW area, I'm more anti-Jerry than anti-Tony.

Still, it's frustratring watching teams have so much success this year with rookie QB's and completely turning things around so quickly, all the while knowing that Jerry will be keeping this team stuck in .500 mediocrity for years to come.
 
2013-01-02 05:18:40 PM  

Treygreen13: Don't even get me started on Danny White. Guy went to 2 NFC Championship games and had 6 playoff wins and people talk about him like he's Jamarcus Russel here in Dallas.


At least Jamarcus has a National Championship ring.

Just kidding .... love Danny.
 
2013-01-02 05:19:23 PM  

Slow To Return: I'm pretty sure that as someone who lives in the DFW area, I'm more anti-Jerry than anti-Tony.


I think being Anti-Jerry is sort of a waste of breath. He's the owner and GM, I doubt it changes. Even if it does, I imagine he'd make his son the GM... he's already taking over some aspects of Jerry's job. Being mad at Jerry is like being mad at the sun. No matter how mad you feel, it'll always be there.
 
2013-01-02 05:22:32 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: Don't even get me started on Danny White. Guy went to 2 NFC Championship games and had 6 playoff wins and people talk about him like he's Jamarcus Russel here in Dallas.

At least Jamarcus has a National Championship ring.

Just kidding .... love Danny.


Ha, actually Danny has a Super Bowl Ring and went to three big dances. He just didn't attempt a pass in any of them.
 
2013-01-02 05:38:37 PM  

mikaloyd: Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.

You can tell it is pretty bad when Di is the first one to throw Tony (Antonio) Romo under the bus in a Cowboys thread


It was devastating. However, these people posting Romo jokes all over the place are lucky they're not getting a mouthful from me. The Romo cologne? "You wear it but the other guy scores?" Stupid. "Romo went to kiss his wife after the game, but that was intercepted, too!" Hurr hurr hurr. They act like he threw 27 picks and was the only guy on the field. How about that defense that did jack squaaaaaaaaaaaaaat to stop the Redskins' run game? And that's all they f'ing did! Play after play after play. Run, Morris, run! And no one caught on? How about the O-line that had NO interest in protecting him? How about the WR's who weren't where they needed to be?

That last INT was painful. It sucked. But it wasn't the only reason we lost.
 
2013-01-02 05:39:07 PM  

Treygreen13: I think being Anti-Jerry is sort of a waste of breath. He's the owner and GM, I doubt it changes. Even if it does, I imagine he'd make his son the GM... he's already taking over some aspects of Jerry's job. Being mad at Jerry is like being mad at the sun. No matter how mad you feel, it'll always be there.


Well if I can't be anti-Tony, and I can't be anti-Jerry, and I don't want to be anti-Cowboy, what CAN I be?
 
2013-01-02 05:39:48 PM  

Pick13: What the Cowboys need to do is draft all Running backs and Wide receivers this year.


Jerry, get off of Fark. You are drunk.
 
2013-01-02 05:40:40 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: I think being Anti-Jerry is sort of a waste of breath. He's the owner and GM, I doubt it changes. Even if it does, I imagine he'd make his son the GM... he's already taking over some aspects of Jerry's job. Being mad at Jerry is like being mad at the sun. No matter how mad you feel, it'll always be there.

Well if I can't be anti-Tony, and I can't be anti-Jerry, and I don't want to be anti-Cowboy, what CAN I be?


You could pick a person that isn't a QB or coach. We could all go burn down Doug Free's shanty.
 
2013-01-02 05:41:29 PM  

Treygreen13: could pick a person that isn't a QB or coach. We could all go burn down Doug Free's shanty.


It was easier when we had TO, wasn't it?
 
2013-01-02 05:42:19 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: could pick a person that isn't a QB or coach. We could all go burn down Doug Free's shanty.

It was easier when we had TO, wasn't it?


Yeah. Or Pacman Jones.
 
2013-01-02 05:48:49 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups.

The 2010 Green Bay Packers laugh at your constant use of the injury excuse.


As a Packers fan, I'm not too sure I agree with your assessment. Did the 2010 Pack have a ridiculous number of injuries? Absolutely. The difference is that the guys that were brought in performed exceedingly well for a very short period of time. The Cowboys players have stunk out loud.
 
2013-01-02 05:54:44 PM  
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2013-01-02 05:59:13 PM  
Tony Romo is pretty good.
 
2013-01-02 06:02:01 PM  

Super Chronic: Tony Romo is pretty good.


That's what RG3 thinks, at least.

"Don't listen to what anybody else is saying about you. You're a great QB, man," RG3 said to Romo on Inside the NFL.
 
2013-01-02 06:04:28 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81:
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.

I love your plan. 10s run off and take an "offensive offsides" for 5 yards of field position! Brilliant!

I'll send this over to Jerry right away.

Seriously, it was another week where the team gave up 30+ on defense and a kickoff return for a TD, and the kicker misses a FG as time expires, and it's Romo's fault that Dez Bryant is standing with his back to the play.

I mean, take a second, evaluate your position here. They lost 28-31 after Romo led an 80 yard comeback TD drive and would have been tied if Dez Bryant doesn't let a 2-point conversion bounce off his hands in the end-zone.

This is exactly the kind of shiat I'm talking about. It's insanity. No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.


First, I'm questioning your memory. They lost 29-31. Second, I remember Dez being down field two plays earlier and arguing, not then.

Even still - giving you Dez being offside (a coaching mistake of one sort or another - discipline or play calling).

1) You're better off taking the run off and penalty and still being able to run 1 or two plays against a D who gave up 227 yards on the ground. You would still have a time out and 16 seconds with a 56 yard FG attempt even on a stuffed run or incomplete pass. Not great but neither is 51.
2) You're even better NOT WAITING 20s to take a time out after a 1 yard gain!!! If Dez is chasing butterflies figure it out in less than half the play clock. Take the TO, you have at least 20s and the ability to make 2 quick pass attempts before kicking the same 51y try.
3) Once it becomes clear that you've majorly cocked up and wasted too much time, don't call time out with enough time left (6s) that if you do make it you have to kick-off to the team that just set a return record on you. The FG wasn't even the last play because the boys left too much time on the clock.

Face it - no matter HOW you look at it someone royally jacked up that sequence and mishandled the teams last time out and 20s. Romo has the ability to make that NOT HAPPEN but didn't. He AND Garrett pissed away an almost win with poor clock management and an inability to properly line up a play that forced a long FG try that was missed.

Tony's hands aren't clean in this. As the QB do ANYTHING BUT piss away time AND the time out.
 
2013-01-02 06:09:06 PM  

Di Atribe: mikaloyd: Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.

You can tell it is pretty bad when Di is the first one to throw Tony (Antonio) Romo under the bus in a Cowboys thread

It was devastating. However, these people posting Romo jokes all over the place are lucky they're not getting a mouthful from me. The Romo cologne? "You wear it but the other guy scores?" Stupid. "Romo went to kiss his wife after the game, but that was intercepted, too!" Hurr hurr hurr. They act like he threw 27 picks and was the only guy on the field. How about that defense that did jack squaaaaaaaaaaaaaat to stop the Redskins' run game? And that's all they f'ing did! Play after play after play. Run, Morris, run! And no one caught on? How about the O-line that had NO interest in protecting him? How about the WR's who weren't where they needed to be?

That last INT was painful. It sucked. But it wasn't the only reason we lost.


static.ddmcdn.com
 
2013-01-02 06:10:58 PM  

Deneb81: 1) You're better off taking the run off and penalty and still being able to run 1 or two plays against a D who gave up 227 yards on the ground. You would still have a time out and 16 seconds with a 56 yard FG attempt even on a stuffed run or incomplete pass. Not great but neither is 51.


The Cowboys are the 2nd worst running team in the NFL.

Deneb81: 2) You're even better NOT WAITING 20s to take a time out after a 1 yard gain!!! If Dez is chasing butterflies figure it out in less than half the play clock. Take the TO, you have at least 20s and the ability to make 2 quick pass attempts before kicking the same 51y try.


And if you take a sack? Remember, the Cowboys also have one of the worst offensive lines in football.

Deneb81: 3) Once it becomes clear that you've majorly cocked up and wasted too much time, don't call time out with enough time left (6s) that if you do make it you have to kick-off to the team that just set a return record on you. The FG wasn't even the last play because the boys left too much time on the clock.


You're right, but it was a fluid situation. Easy to say in retrospect. Tony is told "run this play" so he tries to. It's not his fault his receiver has his back to the play and his coach didn't call a timeout. All he can do is call out the play to his people on the line.

You can admit that Garrett farked up, but Tony is being told to "run the play" by his head coach. It's not his fault. If he takes a 5 yard penalty and the FG is short he gets CRUCIFIED for doing it. If he calls a timeout, his head coach is pissed off that he didn't try to run the play. And you have to admit, as a rational human being, that maybe (just maybe) the defense shouldn't have given up 31 goddamn points to Joe Flacco.
 
2013-01-02 06:12:14 PM  

Treygreen13: Super Chronic: Tony Romo is pretty good.

That's what RG3 thinks, at least.

"Don't listen to what anybody else is saying about you. You're a great QB, man," RG3 said to Romo on Inside the NFL.


Sigh. Stop it, RG3. Stop being perfect. It's really starting to piss me off.


Nadie_AZ: static.ddmcdn.com


I WILL POPCORN YOUR FACE, ARIZONA
 
2013-01-02 06:15:20 PM  

Di Atribe: Nadie_AZ: static.ddmcdn.com

I WILL POPCORN YOUR FACE, ARIZONA


Too bad Reid ate it all.

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2013-01-02 06:24:30 PM  

Di Atribe: Treygreen13: Super Chronic: ***snip***

Sigh. Stop it, RG3. Stop being perfect. It's really starting to piss me off.


Nadie_AZ: static.ddmcdn.com

I WILL POPCORN YOUR FACE, ARIZONA


Aaron Rodgers won't piss you off with his perfection, just sayin'.

I tried that once. Just say no.
 
2013-01-02 06:25:11 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: 1) You're better off taking the run off and penalty and still being able to run 1 or two plays against a D who gave up 227 yards on the ground. You would still have a time out and 16 seconds with a 56 yard FG attempt even on a stuffed run or incomplete pass. Not great but neither is 51.

The Cowboys are the 2nd worst running team in the NFL.

Deneb81: 2) You're even better NOT WAITING 20s to take a time out after a 1 yard gain!!! If Dez is chasing butterflies figure it out in less than half the play clock. Take the TO, you have at least 20s and the ability to make 2 quick pass attempts before kicking the same 51y try.

And if you take a sack? Remember, the Cowboys also have one of the worst offensive lines in football.

Deneb81: 3) Once it becomes clear that you've majorly cocked up and wasted too much time, don't call time out with enough time left (6s) that if you do make it you have to kick-off to the team that just set a return record on you. The FG wasn't even the last play because the boys left too much time on the clock.

You're right, but it was a fluid situation. Easy to say in retrospect. Tony is told "run this play" so he tries to. It's not his fault his receiver has his back to the play and his coach didn't call a timeout. All he can do is call out the play to his people on the line.

You can admit that Garrett farked up, but Tony is being told to "run the play" by his head coach. It's not his fault. If he takes a 5 yard penalty and the FG is short he gets CRUCIFIED for doing it. If he calls a timeout, his head coach is pissed off that he didn't try to run the play. And you have to admit, as a rational human being, that maybe (just maybe) the defense shouldn't have given up 31 goddamn points to Joe Flacco.


That 2nd worst running team had 227 yards already that day at almost 5.5 yards per attempt with no sign of stopping.

The terrible Offensive line let up one sack and blocked for 227 yards rushing. They were on that day.

The Cowboys had OVER 40 minutes time of possession. The defense gave up only 24 points (7 to a kick return). 7 of those were off a Romo pick.

Tony cocked up by wasting 20s, THEN calling time out, and even then doing it too early.

It was a clusterfark and the coach and QB BOTH deserve blame for it. Either had the power to stop it.
 
2013-01-02 06:29:20 PM  

roc6783: Aaron Rodgers won't piss you off with his perfection, just sayin'.


Make no mistake, I love him, too.
 
2013-01-02 06:32:10 PM  

Treygreen13: Slow To Return: You like to say, when the Cowboys lose, how it's a team game and it's not all Tony's fault. But then in the same breath, you turn around and give Tony all the credit when they win with statements like, "they'd be 3-13 without him."

That's because *with him* they're the team they are right now, and without him, they're an entirely different team.

In an alternate universe where Phillip Rivers is the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, do they go to the playoffs? Do they win 6 games? Do they win 3? You don't even like the guy, but can you honestly say that the Cowboys aren't a better team with him than any other "available" QB out there?


Eh...let me say, I agree with pretty much every other post you've had. The final interception of the game this Sunday was a good example of the D doing 2 things very well (rushing the passer virtually untouched, and faking the rush from the end to drop the OLB into coverage in the most likely spot for a safety valve toss), Romo making what he THOUGHT was the right/best play, but the defense through good scheming, good execution, and a lot of luck, happened to have the perfect play called. (This may be the worst sentence I've ever written, both grammaticially and because I am defending a Cowgirl...but whatever)

All that said, if you say that playing football is a 53 person (plus coaches) effort in defense of the Romo detractors, you can't also say that he is the reason they won 5 more games. I get your point, he may be the best option available, and he does get blamed for a lot of bad team decisions, but the team is the team. Maybe another QB makes the timeout call ignoring coach and gets the W, but will lose another game because he doesn't have Romo's arm? Sure without him they may have only won 3 games...but when was the last time a team won more than 3 games with NO QB on the field at all.

/Trick question, it was Tebow in Denver last year.
 
2013-01-02 06:38:51 PM  

Deneb81: Treygreen13: Deneb81:
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.

I love your plan. 10s run off and take an "offensive offsides" for 5 yards of field position! Brilliant!

I'll send this over to Jerry right away.

Seriously, it was another week where the team gave up 30+ on defense and a kickoff return for a TD, and the kicker misses a FG as time expires, and it's Romo's fault that Dez Bryant is standing with his back to the play.

I mean, take a second, evaluate your position here. They lost 28-31 after Romo led an 80 yard comeback TD drive and would have been tied if Dez Bryant doesn't let a 2-point conversion bounce off his hands in the end-zone.

This is exactly the kind of shiat I'm talking about. It's insanity. No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.

First, I'm questioning your memory. They lost 29-31. Second, I remember Dez being down field two plays earlier and arguing, not then.

Even still - giving you Dez being offside (a coaching mistake of one sort or another - discipline or play calling).

1) You're better off taking the run off and penalty and still being able to run 1 or two plays against a D who gave up 227 yards on the ground. You would still have a time out and 16 seconds with a 56 yard FG attempt even on a stuffed run or incomplete pass. Not great but neither is 51.
2) You're even better NOT WAITING 20s to take a time out after a 1 yard gain!!! If Dez is chasing butterflies figure it out in less than half the play clock. Take the TO, you have at least 20s and the ability to make 2 quick pass attempts before kicking the same 51y try.
3) Once it becomes clear that you've majorly cocked up and wasted too much time, don't call time out with enough time left (6s) that if you do make it you have to kick-off to the team that just set a return record on you. The FG wasn't even the last play because the boys left too much time on t ...


Meh, not Tony's fault. Sure, he had the power to call a TO and save the time, but so did every other captain and coach, why not blame them? And of course even more, Dez deserves the blame since he was engaging in futility instead of having situational awareness and doing his job.

/And as a Skins fan, I love nothing more than watching Cowgirls' fans tear themselves apart with negativity and blame.
//Enjoy your continuing implosion
/I like beer
 
2013-01-02 06:40:18 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.

Wouldn't really matter where they played. The difference in the teams is too great and the Cowboys are *worse* than they were in the previous meeting.


Truth.

I fully expect the Seahags to smack the Redskins onto the first tee.
 
2013-01-02 06:47:30 PM  
Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Most QBs struggle with bad throws. It is their ability to get that decision-making under control that sets them apart. For about three years, Seahawks fans prayed every time Hasselbeck went to throw. But, for about five years after, he stopped, mostly, with the whirlybirds and learned to take sacks or throw them away.

Talk about Romo's stats all you want (I suppose his awful six year run of WRs has helped out, after all), but as long as he makes boneheaded throws in crucial situations, few will think he is anything but a slightly above average QB.
 
2013-01-02 06:49:48 PM  

TheOther: I fully expect the Seahags to smack the Redskins onto the first tee.


They came back down to earth this week against the Rams.
 
2013-01-02 07:06:00 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Most QBs struggle with bad throws. It is their ability to get that decision-making under control that sets them apart. For about three years, Seahawks fans prayed every time Hasselbeck went to throw. But, for about five years after, he stopped, mostly, with the whirlybirds and learned to take sacks or throw them away.

Talk about Romo's stats all you want (I suppose his awful six year run of WRs has helped out, after all), but as long as he makes boneheaded throws in crucial situations, few will think he is anything but a slightly above average QB.


#1. Romo was on a top 5 team once before, they went 13-3.
2. Asking if Tony Romo would still throw INTs on another team is ridiculous. Everyone throws INTs. 31 teams this year will lose due to a bad play.
3. Plenty of people think he's a good QB. You're projecting your feelings onto everyone else.
 
2013-01-02 07:06:44 PM  
Honestly, I think Jerry is doing a decent job. 8-8 is a little worse than you expected, but not the end of the world. He can stay as GM for the next 30 years as far as I'm concerned.

You guys need to get over the loss, stop whining about Romo, and just sit back to enjoy the playoffs.
 
2013-01-02 07:17:32 PM  

kronicfeld: TheOther: I fully expect the Seahags to smack the Redskins onto the first tee.

They came back down to earth this week against the Rams.


I don't expect them to drop a Fiftyburger on Washington, but I think they are a good bet to make the Superbowl.
 
2013-01-02 07:20:05 PM  

Treygreen13: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Most QBs struggle with bad throws. It is their ability to get that decision-making under control that sets them apart. For about three years, Seahawks fans prayed every time Hasselbeck went to throw. But, for about five years after, he stopped, mostly, with the whirlybirds and learned to take sacks or throw them away.

Talk about Romo's stats all you want (I suppose his awful six year run of WRs has helped out, after all), but as long as he makes boneheaded throws in crucial situations, few will think he is anything but a slightly above average QB.

#1. Romo was on a top 5 team once before, they went 13-3.
2. Asking if Tony Romo would still throw INTs on another team is ridiculous. Everyone throws INTs. 31 teams this year will lose due to a bad play.
3. Plenty of people think he's a good QB. You're projecting your feelings onto everyone else.



1) how did that 13-3 season end? Could it have been with a horribly thrown Romoception?
2) no, it isn't, as you have blamed everyone except Romo...the coaches, the Oline, the WRs, the RBs. Put Romo on a well-rounded team, then, and you tell me that he still won't make stupid plays at the worst times.
3) plenty of people place Romo right where he belongs...maybe the 15th best QB in the NFL, and declining rapidly
 
2013-01-02 07:25:20 PM  

eddievercetti: Di Atribe: 1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.

Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.


Whatever, I'm so tired of this discussion it beggars belief. Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. It'll never matter. He'll retire ring free in a few years and the rants of the media blowhards will define his career. After dragging horrible teams up to mediocrity for years he'll be remembered as a choker and a failure. Won't be the first time or the last and he can swim in his Scrooge McDuck money tower to assuage his regret.

Die Jerry.
 
2013-01-02 07:34:43 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Treygreen13: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Most QBs struggle with bad throws. It is their ability to get that decision-making under control that sets them apart. For about three years, Seahawks fans prayed every time Hasselbeck went to throw. But, for about five years after, he stopped, mostly, with the whirlybirds and learned to take sacks or throw them away.

Talk about Romo's stats all you want (I suppose his awful six year run of WRs has helped out, after all), but as long as he makes boneheaded throws in crucial situations, few will think he is anything but a slightly above average QB.

#1. Romo was on a top 5 team once before, they went 13-3.
2. Asking if Tony Romo would still throw INTs on another team is ridiculous. Everyone throws INTs. 31 teams this year will lose due to a bad play.
3. Plenty of people think he's a good QB. You're projecting your feelings onto everyone else.


3) plenty of people place Romo right where he belongs...maybe the 15th best QB in the NFL, and declining rapidly


*Yawn*
Ok, whatever <b>whizbang</b> you believe whatever you feel like. It's obvious you and I won't agree. Go out and enjoy your night and we'll reconvene when we can talk about something we have a chance to agree upon.
 
2013-01-02 07:36:21 PM  
*shakes tiny fist in rage*
DAAAMN YOOOOOUUU WYSIWYG!
 
2013-01-02 07:42:25 PM  

TheOther: I don't expect them to drop a Fiftyburger on Washington, but I think they are a good bet to make the Superbowl.


I picked Denver/Seattle two weeks ago. I don't think that's as good a bet as it was, but it's still a pretty good one.
 
2013-01-02 08:04:25 PM  
After wading through this entire thread, I would like to add:

1.) Romo isn't anywhere near as bad as many of you are saying.
2.) Romo isn't anywhere near as good as several of you are saying.

I'm an unabashed Dallas hater (never hid this fact from anyone) but, of all the problems Dallas has right now, ol' Romolicious ain't at the top of the list. Was that an assheaded INT he put up at the end of the Washington game? Hells yea it was. He's also been getting a regular ass-whuppin' by his lack of oline AND the press all year. Lots of QBs make the occasional bone-headed throw, he just seems to make more at critical times. Notice I said SEEMS.

He, Witten, Ware, and maybe Mild Autism are the bright spots of what remains of that team. They finished with hot dog vendors in shoulder pads on LB duty I think. There's plenty of suck in that team, that organization right now, that you've got a lot to complain about before you get down to Romo.

is he blameless? Obviously not. But he ain't even in the Top 10 of "shiat everyone else can agree on is farked about the Cowboys right now".

Lighten up, for farks sake.
 
2013-01-02 08:07:37 PM  

xaks: After wading through this entire thread, I would like to add:

1.) Romo isn't anywhere near as bad as many of you are saying.
2.) Romo isn't anywhere near as good as several of you are saying.

I'm an unabashed Dallas hater (never hid this fact from anyone) but, of all the problems Dallas has right now, ol' Romolicious ain't at the top of the list. Was that an assheaded INT he put up at the end of the Washington game? Hells yea it was. He's also been getting a regular ass-whuppin' by his lack of oline AND the press all year. Lots of QBs make the occasional bone-headed throw, he just seems to make more at critical times. Notice I said SEEMS.

He, Witten, Ware, and maybe Mild Autism are the bright spots of what remains of that team. They finished with hot dog vendors in shoulder pads on LB duty I think. There's plenty of suck in that team, that organization right now, that you've got a lot to complain about before you get down to Romo.

is he blameless? Obviously not. But he ain't even in the Top 10 of "shiat everyone else can agree on is farked about the Cowboys right now".

Lighten up, for farks sake.


My name is Treygreen13, and I approve this message.

/wearing the Romo jersey to the bar tonight
//maximum trolling
 
2013-01-02 08:11:12 PM  

notatrollorami: eddievercetti: Di Atribe: 1) Draft an O-Line & quit trying to show off & make headlines with your draft choices.
2) Hire an offensive coordinator.
3) Fire the GM.

I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception. They scored off of that & it was the dagger that ultimately cost us the game. But he is far down on the list of things that are wrong with this franchise.

Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.

Whatever, I'm so tired of this discussion it beggars belief that I will continue it. Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. It'll never matter. He'll retire ring free in a few years and the rants of the media blowhards "Cowboys Fans" will define his career. After dragging horrible teams up to mediocrity for years he'll be remembered as a choker and a failure. Won't be the first time or the last and he can swim in his Scrooge McDuck money broken rib pain-pill tower to assuage his regret.

Die Jerry. It's german for, "The Jerry"


I've attempted multiple times this year to troll Cowboys' Fans with "Romo = Mediocre" with verying degrees of success...this thread makes me feel vindicated since "Cowboys Fans" are lining up HOPING for mediocrity as opposed to the alternative of a habitual choker.

/After the first interception Sunday I yelled "ROMOCEPTION"
//After the second interception Sunday I yelled "ROMOCEPTION"
///After the third interception Sunday I yelled "ROMOCEPTION"

////and it was good
 
2013-01-02 08:12:17 PM  

xaks: After wading through this entire thread, I would like to add:

1.) Romo isn't anywhere near as bad as many of you are saying.
2.) Romo isn't anywhere near as good as several of you are saying.


I agree but the main problem is, he goes his worst during win or go home games. Every QB isn't perfect or Delhomme but when your track record is as insane as Antonio's, you will expect for him to be in the crosshairs of scrutiny.
 
2013-01-02 08:16:07 PM  

eddievercetti: xaks: After wading through this entire thread, I would like to add:

1.) Romo isn't anywhere near as bad as many of you are saying.
2.) Romo isn't anywhere near as good as several of you are saying.

I agree but the main problem is, he goes his worst during win or go home games. Every QB isn't perfect or Delhomme but when your track record is as insane as Antonio's, you will expect for him to be in the crosshairs of scrutiny.


The problem with that is that he gets zero credit when he does do well, and all the blame when he doesn't.

Like, when they beat the Eagles in the 1st round a few years ago. They beat a division opponent three times, and the 2nd/3rd time it was back to back games. Tony played well in the game, but I have to remind people that the game actually happened because it is absolutely buried. And last week, he goes 413 and 4 TDs against the Saints and you never heard about it again. It's like his successes disappear into a vortex and the failures get first billing on the Tonight Show.
 
2013-01-02 08:21:36 PM  

Treygreen13: eddievercetti: xaks: After wading through this entire thread, I would like to add:

1.) Romo isn't anywhere near as bad as many of you are saying.
2.) Romo isn't anywhere near as good as several of you are saying.

I agree but the main problem is, he goes his worst during win or go home games. Every QB isn't perfect or Delhomme but when your track record is as insane as Antonio's, you will expect for him to be in the crosshairs of scrutiny.

The problem with that is that he gets zero credit when he does do well, and all the blame when he doesn't.

Like, when they beat the Eagles in the 1st round a few years ago. They beat a division opponent three times, and the 2nd/3rd time it was back to back games. Tony played well in the game, but I have to remind people that the game actually happened because it is absolutely buried. And last week, he goes 413 and 4 TDs against the Saints and you never heard about it again. It's like his successes disappear into a vortex and the failures get first billing on the Tonight Show.


I bolded the part that makes it less impressive.

/Although to be fair when RGIII did 3/4 of that against the Saints in week 1, it "transcended the game of football"
//Magic of RGIIISPN
 
2013-01-02 08:23:43 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /Although to be fair when RGIII did 3/4 of that against the Saints in week 1, it "transcended the game of football"


And this week, RG3 "led the Redskins to victory" by completing a Tebow-esque 9 passes.
 
2013-01-02 08:26:28 PM  

Treygreen13: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /Although to be fair when RGIII did 3/4 of that against the Saints in week 1, it "transcended the game of football"

And this week, RG3 "led the Redskins to victory" by completing a Tebow-esque 9 passes.


Yeah, it was awesome.

/ =)
 
2013-01-02 08:27:30 PM  

Treygreen13: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /Although to be fair when RGIII did 3/4 of that against the Saints in week 1, it "transcended the game of football"

And this week, RG3 "led the Redskins to victory" by completing a Tebow-esque 9 passes.


That's okay. According to Redskins fans, it was the gameplan for RGIII to hit 50% and only a 100 yards throwing. It is nice to see Wilson finally getting some recognition, which, considering he plays in Seattle, means he's basically one step away from Jesus.

/of course, Dallas sucks, too, in probably the worst non-Browns game I've seen in some time
 
2013-01-02 08:29:13 PM  

Treygreen13: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /Although to be fair when RGIII did 3/4 of that against the Saints in week 1, it "transcended the game of football"

And this week, RG3 "led the Redskins to victory" by completing a Tebow-esque 9 passes.


Or maybe I should go with "Yeah, he definitely overachieved considering he was playing the Cowboys"

/Shamelessly riding the "made the playoffs wave"
 
2013-01-02 08:53:22 PM  
They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.
 
2013-01-02 08:59:50 PM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.


Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.
 
2013-01-02 09:04:14 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.


Good lord I hope not.

I *like* Matt Flynn. I'd have a tough time cancelling my Dallas hatred for one guy, even a QB.
 
2013-01-02 09:06:47 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?


I like Flynn, a lot, from what little we've had to see of him. That said I don't see him being any better than Romo as a long-term solution.

Plus, the 'Hawks have something in their main trio of WRs in Rice, Tate and Baldwin. As talented as Dez is, no need to throw a headcase into the mix.
 
2013-01-02 09:44:24 PM  
 
2013-01-02 09:45:20 PM  
Dammit, Fark, you're pissing me off a lot lately.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/the1xaks/tony-romo-gif_zpsb7 b fb090.gif
 
2013-01-02 10:00:37 PM  
cdn.ksk.uproxx.com

More seriously, Romo might be the best thing about the Cowboys right now. Their biggest problems are:

1. The Owner
2. The GM
3. The o-line
4. the d-line
5. the secondary.

As a Redskins fan, I strongly urge Jerry to dump Romo...
 
2013-01-02 10:27:42 PM  
Dear Mark Sanchez,

Keep your head down and keep working hard...maybe next year you can throw as many interceptions as me.

Sincerely,

Tony Romo
 
2013-01-02 11:05:41 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.


I don't think the Seahawks want Flynn going to anybody who they might face regularly. I'm thinking KC.
 
2013-01-02 11:26:32 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.


Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do. You hate the Cowboys & I get that, but you can't even be honest about your arguments. Nobody's saying he's perfect, NOT EVEN ME. But he's one of the good things on our team. It takes an entire team to make the playoffs. We don't have an entire team. We have like, 4 good players and everyone else's rejects. Look at the numbers trey posted. Look at them. Everything BUT Romo is 20th-32nd in the league. It's pathetic.
 
2013-01-02 11:35:36 PM  

Di Atribe: Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do.


I'd like to, but the other QBs I don't like regularly get injured behind their own sh*tty O-Lines. And I'm not giving you Brady/Manning just in the hopes that they get crushed routinely.
 
2013-01-03 12:04:42 AM  
Two of the most comical teams in sports right now are the Jets and Cowboys.
Rob Ryan & Rex Ryan are not going anywhere. Pays to have a HOF dad.

In the most recent Cowboys win Rob Ryan actually got a 15-yard penalty. Combined these two clowns are worst than Matt Millen.

Cowboys threads look like the Bengals forum 2006-2010. A few stars, derp coach, no defense, and an idiot owner.

/Dalton-Zimmer era gives me hope.
 
2013-01-03 12:51:46 AM  
I love the Cowboys. I hate that man.
 
2013-01-03 06:43:28 AM  
Jerry doesn't know football.

It's a real shame that football had to know Jerry.
 
2013-01-03 08:57:10 AM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do. You hate the Cowboys & I get that, but you can't even be honest about your arguments. Nobody's saying he's perfect, NOT EVEN ME. But he's one of the good things on our team. It takes an entire team to make the playoffs. We don't have an entire team. We have like, 4 good players and everyone else's rejects. Look at the numbers trey posted. Look at them. Everything BUT Romo is 20th-32nd in the league. It's pathetic.


And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats. Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?

I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.
 
2013-01-03 09:16:39 AM  

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.

I don't think the Seahawks want Flynn going to anybody who they might face regularly. I'm thinking KC.


Flynn and Andy Reid would sure as hell be an upgrade over what we have now.

/Fire Pioli
 
2013-01-03 09:22:00 AM  
It's funny how people whine about the Ryans, who have consistently done pretty well with what they're given. Yeah, the Cowboys' defense sucked this year. How many (guys that were supposed to be) starters did they actually have playing by the end of the season? Three?
 
2013-01-03 09:24:38 AM  

bionicjoe: ***snip***

Combined these two clowns are worst than Matt Millen.

***snip***


I get that you are going for hyperbole, but unless the category is "Being Matt Millen", no one is worse than Matt Millen. Even then, he is still a strong contender.
 
2013-01-03 10:18:46 AM  

notatrollorami: Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.


You must have a very interesting definition of "best."
 
2013-01-03 10:49:14 AM  

facisto: notatrollorami: Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

You must have a very interesting definition of "best."


I do. It's called "productivity; not dependent on whether the team around the player screws the pooch". And based on his overall record he's among the very best, period. Every success (and there are many) he pulls out of his ass to save the team from disaster is immediately forgotten or relegated to "unimportant game" status retroactively and every failure is given a ticker tape parade and elevated to the pantheon of sports failure Hall of Fame.

But I'm not wasting any more time trying to convince people to see the obvious truth. Romo is the sports equivalent of abortion; everyone's chosen their position and no one is changing their mind. And, after all, it's only sports so whatever........
 
2013-01-03 12:49:59 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats.


Obviously.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?


Are you saying that Manning or Brady would never throw an interception? Are you suggesting that Manning or Brady would never yell at a WR? Because I'm preeeeetttty sure they have. "Pouting" is only something you made up in your mind. If he's sitting on the bench thinking or reading his playbook, you want him to be pouting, so that's what you see. And people used to criticize Romo for NOT yelling at his receivers. "He's just not passionate." So now he does & still gets criticized. You have already decided what he is to you & facts won't change a thing. That's dishonest.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.


OK. So now football's not so big a deal? Then why are you here? I'm not apologizing, I'm pointing out facts. I'm not worshiping them, I'm showing where you are wrong. I know you probably want to paint me as oh so emotional & therefore not to be trusted, but you're the one with no facts. Just sayin.
 
2013-01-03 12:56:12 PM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


I would watch a body-switching movie with Romo (played by Antonio Banderas) and Tebow (played by Betty White) with a Reservoir Dogs type ending. That would be entertaining.
 
2013-01-03 03:11:56 PM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats.

Obviously.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?

Are you saying that Manning or Brady would never throw an interception? Are you suggesting that Manning or Brady would never yell at a WR? Because I'm preeeeetttty sure they have. "Pouting" is only something you made up in your mind. If he's sitting on the bench thinking or reading his playbook, you want him to be pouting, so that's what you see. And people used to criticize Romo for NOT yelling at his receivers. "He's just not passionate." So now he does & still gets criticized. You have already decided what he is to you & facts won't change a thing. That's dishonest.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.

OK. So now football's not so big a deal? Then why are you here? I'm not apologizing, I'm pointing out facts. I'm not worshiping them, I'm showing where you are wrong. I know you probably want to paint me as oh so emotional & therefore not to be trusted, but you're the one with no facts. Just sayin.


1) Romo puts up great stats, sure. But, as I've said, he throws the worst INTs or makes the stupidest decisions at the worst times. Want to know why QBs like Manning and Brady will throw bad INTs every once in a while and never get shot down for it? Because when they throw a bad INT, it is an absolute rarity. When Romo does something stupid, it's something he does every two or three games, and more frequently if it is an important, must-win situation.

2) The emphasis is on the stupid INTs...I have a hard time believing that 40% of QBs in the league right now would see a blitz coming for their chest and then arc a high looper to the RB that hovers in the air for about ten seconds. Brady would have taken the sack and then gotten back up. So would Ryan, Manning, hell, even Hasselbeck and Freeman. It was a rookie mistake...six years in. Romo's pass to end the game was almost Sanchez-like in its stupidity. And sure, Brady and Manning fuss at their WRs, but I've always had the sense, from the WRs' reaction, that they knew they were in the wrong. When Romo is biatching at a WR, the WR usually has a "what the fark are you talking about?" look.

And no, when Romo throws a stupid INT or does something else asinine, he doesn't go and look at a clipboard. He sits on the bench with his head in his hands. I remember when he bobbled the snap in Seattle that even the announcers--who had been apologizing for Romo all night (they blamed Terry Glenn for the fumble, never mind that the pass was at his ankles and behind him)--noticed that Romo was practically in tears with a towel over his head.

3) What can I say? I'm not going to get worked up over Romo if he wins the SB, or if he goes 1-15. I'll still wake up in the morning. But I do think the Romo apologists (look at his great stats! everyone else on the team sucks!) often border on ridiculous.
 
2013-01-03 03:23:06 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: When Romo does something stupid, it's something he does every two or three games, and more frequently if it is an important, must-win situation.


No it's not. You're basing your opinion on what you see on Sports Center. You're not going to watch every game, and that's fine. But it also means that you don't see the good things he does & judging by your post (i.e. mocking looking at his stats), you don't want to.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: the WR usually has a "what the fark are you talking about?" look.


No, he doesn't. You are making shiat up because that's what you want to believe. You DON'T KNOW.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: But I do think the Romo apologists (look at his great stats! everyone else on the team sucks!) often border on ridiculous.


My arguments are based on facts. Your arguments are based on "Well it LOOKS like that's what he's doing, so it must be true!"

whizbangthedirtfarmer: And no, when Romo throws a stupid INT or does something else asinine, he doesn't go and look at a clipboard. He sits on the bench with his head in his hands. I remember when he bobbled the snap in Seattle that even the announcers--who had been apologizing for Romo all night (they blamed Terry Glenn for the fumble, never mind that the pass was at his ankles and behind him)--noticed that Romo was practically in tears with a towel over his head.


Dude, that was seven years ago and he wasn't even acting as QB during that play . You don't know if he was practically in tears. I'm sure he was upset, though. Who wouldn't be? You're an idiot. I don't usually call names, but you have brought NOTHING to this discussion except for conjecture & subjective wharrgarble. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-03 03:36:24 PM  

Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts


That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons
 
2013-01-03 04:16:20 PM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


Were you in any of the Cabrera vs. Trout MVP threads?

90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.

///Yes, that is an approximation of one of my previous sarcastic posts. Someone took it that I was agreeing with him after that post, but I am ALMOST certain that the person had created the account specifically to troll baseball threads.
 
2013-01-03 04:56:19 PM  

roc6783: 90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.


Well I saw it on Sports Center. It looks like he's getting it done.

I wasn't in the MVP threads because most likely, I was still pouting about the Rangers.
 
2013-01-03 05:05:48 PM  

Di Atribe: roc6783: 90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.

Well I saw it on Sports Center. It looks like he's getting it done.

I wasn't in the MVP threads because most likely, I was still pouting about the Rangers.


Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. As for the "conjecture," all you have to do is LOOK and see Ogletree looking at Romo as if he had grown a third eye. You have to HEAR the announcers pointing out Romo is sitting on the bench with his head in his hands. It's all right there. If the top 15 QBs in the league are taken, I'll go with Romo. Otherwise, no.
 
2013-01-03 05:06:44 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts

That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons


Because paying $5/month for a news aggregator site is the pinnacle of intelligence.
 
2013-01-03 05:41:48 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. ***snip***


As for the first 2 sentences, wow. As to your 3rd sentence, that was Alex Smith, how'd that work out for him?
 
2013-01-03 05:44:32 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts

That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons

Because paying $5/month for a news aggregator site is the pinnacle of intelligence.


Well I was actually sponsored because I write witty references that some less worldly people don't recognize and take offense to making them look silly.
 
2013-01-03 05:55:40 PM  
So, basically, Tony Romo is Joe Montana, everything bad is everyone else's fault. Got it.
 
2013-01-03 06:30:34 PM  

kronicfeld: So, basically, Tony Romo is Joe Montana, everything bad is everyone else's fault. Got it.


Nobody said that. Anywhere.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:30 PM  

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. ***snip***

As for the first 2 sentences, wow. As to your 3rd sentence, that was Alex Smith, how'd that work out for him?


Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:14 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.


Then you're an idiot.
 
2013-01-03 11:23:53 PM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Then you're an idiot.


Kudos to you. I hope Romo finds his way to your bed tonight.
 
2013-01-03 11:52:28 PM  

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Then you're an idiot.


Well, it makes sense.

Hell, I'd take almost anyone in the league "at their best" over most anyone else's average. But yeah, Romo is better than Smith.

/BTW, you'll note that Alex Smith never had a "best" until San Francisco got a badass offensive line
 
2013-01-04 10:32:38 AM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.


Uhhh, his coach benched him at the first opportunity for a guy who can score touchdowns instead of setting up field goals. I wouldn't call that success. Also, to build off of IAmRight's point, Smith wasn't any good without a top tier O-Line and defense. As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good. Romo is better than Kaepernick.
 
2013-01-04 10:41:29 AM  
BURN HIM!!!!!! Oh shiat, sorry, I got all swept away in the Romo hate.

There are a ton of teams that would kill to have Romo starting for them and that is a fact.
 
2013-01-04 11:02:12 AM  

roc6783: As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good.


I dunno, they didn't seem particularly scary in Seattle. People are going way overboard on the Kaepernick love, again, largely based on coming out strong (the reason people thought Cam Newton had a great year last year despite his numbers falling off a cliff after Week 4). The Bears expected lots of running since that's what the 49ers had done with Kaepernick in the huddle before he became a starter. They got jumped on to begin with and, thanks to Jason Campbell being awful, never had a shot to do anything in the game. In the first 35 minutes, the 49ers scored 27 points; in the final 25, they scored 5.

I suppose he did well in the prime-time game against the Pats, too. The key is prime-time games.

/Romo is better than Kaepernick
//hell, Kaepernick's big comeback in the first StL game (the tie) came after fumbling TWICE on the opening possession and the 49ers recovering both, then the second TD came after StL fumbled the ensuing kickoff and Gore ran the first play in from the 20
 
2013-01-04 11:03:04 AM  
Not "the" opening possession. The opening possession of the 4th quarter, when the comeback started.
 
2013-01-04 11:16:38 AM  

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Uhhh, his coach benched him at the first opportunity for a guy who can score touchdowns instead of setting up field goals. I wouldn't call that success. Also, to build off of IAmRight's point, Smith wasn't any good without a top tier O-Line and defense. As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good. Romo is better than Kaepernick.


Uhhh...his coach benched him because he thought Kaepernick was better at scrambling that Smith, and added that extra dimension to the offense. Unfortunately, after the Bears, Kaepernick has been basically worse than Smith in every other category. I am fairly certain that Smith would have kept the 49ers at least competitive during the Seattle game.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:27 AM  

IAmRight: roc6783:
***snip***


A. I'm not saying Kaepernick is phenomenal, just he has more potential than Smith.
B. Aaron Rodgers generally plays poorly against the Bears, plus the SEA D has been great this year, so I wouldn't put a huge weight on a divisional game against a really good team.
C. I don't think you really disagreed with me though.
 
2013-01-04 11:45:34 AM  

roc6783: A. I'm not saying Kaepernick is phenomenal, just he has more potential than Smith.
B. Aaron Rodgers generally plays poorly against the Bears, plus the SEA D has been great this year, so I wouldn't put a huge weight on a divisional game against a really good team.
C. I don't think you really disagreed with me though.


Yeah, but it's a divisional thing with Rodgers/Bears - like I said, the Bears went in expecting run run run and they got pounced on by passes. In the second half, the 49ers didn't do much (they were also ahead by a billion because Jason Campbell can't throw more than 3 yards downfield and the 49ers defense isn't very friendly).

And Smith put up some decent points numbers over the first half of the season - the 49ers had been doing much better on converting red zone possessions into TDs earlier this year. I don't really think Kaepernick has outperformed Smith this year. He has more upside, sure, but too many people are acting as though he's clearly better than Smith now.

Basically, what whizbangthedirtfarmer said.

/but I do mostly agree with you
 
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