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(ESPN)   Jerry Jones says change is coming for the Cowboys. But not in head coach, defensive coordinator or quarterback. Also unwilling to take risks. Sounds like they should fire the GM   (espn.go.com) divider line 193
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2013-01-02 08:59:50 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.


Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.
 
2013-01-02 09:04:14 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.


Good lord I hope not.

I *like* Matt Flynn. I'd have a tough time cancelling my Dallas hatred for one guy, even a QB.
 
2013-01-02 09:06:47 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?


I like Flynn, a lot, from what little we've had to see of him. That said I don't see him being any better than Romo as a long-term solution.

Plus, the 'Hawks have something in their main trio of WRs in Rice, Tate and Baldwin. As talented as Dez is, no need to throw a headcase into the mix.
 
2013-01-02 09:44:24 PM
 
2013-01-02 09:45:20 PM
Dammit, Fark, you're pissing me off a lot lately.

http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt328/the1xaks/tony-romo-gif_zpsb7 b fb090.gif
 
2013-01-02 10:00:37 PM
cdn.ksk.uproxx.com

More seriously, Romo might be the best thing about the Cowboys right now. Their biggest problems are:

1. The Owner
2. The GM
3. The o-line
4. the d-line
5. the secondary.

As a Redskins fan, I strongly urge Jerry to dump Romo...
 
2013-01-02 10:27:42 PM
Dear Mark Sanchez,

Keep your head down and keep working hard...maybe next year you can throw as many interceptions as me.

Sincerely,

Tony Romo
 
2013-01-02 11:05:41 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.


I don't think the Seahawks want Flynn going to anybody who they might face regularly. I'm thinking KC.
 
2013-01-02 11:26:32 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.


Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do. You hate the Cowboys & I get that, but you can't even be honest about your arguments. Nobody's saying he's perfect, NOT EVEN ME. But he's one of the good things on our team. It takes an entire team to make the playoffs. We don't have an entire team. We have like, 4 good players and everyone else's rejects. Look at the numbers trey posted. Look at them. Everything BUT Romo is 20th-32nd in the league. It's pathetic.
 
2013-01-02 11:35:36 PM

Di Atribe: Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do.


I'd like to, but the other QBs I don't like regularly get injured behind their own sh*tty O-Lines. And I'm not giving you Brady/Manning just in the hopes that they get crushed routinely.
 
2013-01-03 12:04:42 AM
Two of the most comical teams in sports right now are the Jets and Cowboys.
Rob Ryan & Rex Ryan are not going anywhere. Pays to have a HOF dad.

In the most recent Cowboys win Rob Ryan actually got a 15-yard penalty. Combined these two clowns are worst than Matt Millen.

Cowboys threads look like the Bengals forum 2006-2010. A few stars, derp coach, no defense, and an idiot owner.

/Dalton-Zimmer era gives me hope.
 
2013-01-03 12:51:46 AM
I love the Cowboys. I hate that man.
 
2013-01-03 06:43:28 AM
Jerry doesn't know football.

It's a real shame that football had to know Jerry.
 
2013-01-03 08:57:10 AM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Here is the question: if Romo played for a top five team, and there were no more excuses about the coaches, the OLine, and so on, would he still make incredibly stupid throws? The answer seems to be, from looking at his history of poor decisions ( either that, or his WRs have been running the wrong routes regularly for six years now), a resounding yes.

Here's another question: put another QB behind that O-line & see how well they do. You hate the Cowboys & I get that, but you can't even be honest about your arguments. Nobody's saying he's perfect, NOT EVEN ME. But he's one of the good things on our team. It takes an entire team to make the playoffs. We don't have an entire team. We have like, 4 good players and everyone else's rejects. Look at the numbers trey posted. Look at them. Everything BUT Romo is 20th-32nd in the league. It's pathetic.


And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats. Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?

I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.
 
2013-01-03 09:16:39 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: They're keeping Romo for now because no one else is available. If this were a QB rich draft class, I doubt they'd be so quick to make that call. As soon as somebody good opens up, Romo is toast.

Flynn to Dallas?

/Maybe for a 1st rounder?
//Or Dez?
/Or straight up trade.

I don't think the Seahawks want Flynn going to anybody who they might face regularly. I'm thinking KC.


Flynn and Andy Reid would sure as hell be an upgrade over what we have now.

/Fire Pioli
 
2013-01-03 09:22:00 AM
It's funny how people whine about the Ryans, who have consistently done pretty well with what they're given. Yeah, the Cowboys' defense sucked this year. How many (guys that were supposed to be) starters did they actually have playing by the end of the season? Three?
 
2013-01-03 09:24:38 AM

bionicjoe: ***snip***

Combined these two clowns are worst than Matt Millen.

***snip***


I get that you are going for hyperbole, but unless the category is "Being Matt Millen", no one is worse than Matt Millen. Even then, he is still a strong contender.
 
2013-01-03 10:18:46 AM

notatrollorami: Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.


You must have a very interesting definition of "best."
 
2013-01-03 10:49:14 AM

facisto: notatrollorami: Romo is one of the best players on the team and one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL.

You must have a very interesting definition of "best."


I do. It's called "productivity; not dependent on whether the team around the player screws the pooch". And based on his overall record he's among the very best, period. Every success (and there are many) he pulls out of his ass to save the team from disaster is immediately forgotten or relegated to "unimportant game" status retroactively and every failure is given a ticker tape parade and elevated to the pantheon of sports failure Hall of Fame.

But I'm not wasting any more time trying to convince people to see the obvious truth. Romo is the sports equivalent of abortion; everyone's chosen their position and no one is changing their mind. And, after all, it's only sports so whatever........
 
2013-01-03 12:49:59 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats.


Obviously.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?


Are you saying that Manning or Brady would never throw an interception? Are you suggesting that Manning or Brady would never yell at a WR? Because I'm preeeeetttty sure they have. "Pouting" is only something you made up in your mind. If he's sitting on the bench thinking or reading his playbook, you want him to be pouting, so that's what you see. And people used to criticize Romo for NOT yelling at his receivers. "He's just not passionate." So now he does & still gets criticized. You have already decided what he is to you & facts won't change a thing. That's dishonest.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.


OK. So now football's not so big a deal? Then why are you here? I'm not apologizing, I'm pointing out facts. I'm not worshiping them, I'm showing where you are wrong. I know you probably want to paint me as oh so emotional & therefore not to be trusted, but you're the one with no facts. Just sayin.
 
2013-01-03 12:56:12 PM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


I would watch a body-switching movie with Romo (played by Antonio Banderas) and Tebow (played by Betty White) with a Reservoir Dogs type ending. That would be entertaining.
 
2013-01-03 03:11:56 PM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: And I keep saying that I'm not looking at Romo's stats.

Obviously.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Would Brady throw those stupid INTs? Manning? RGIII? And then make a big show on the sidelines of either pouting or yelling at a pissed off WR?

Are you saying that Manning or Brady would never throw an interception? Are you suggesting that Manning or Brady would never yell at a WR? Because I'm preeeeetttty sure they have. "Pouting" is only something you made up in your mind. If he's sitting on the bench thinking or reading his playbook, you want him to be pouting, so that's what you see. And people used to criticize Romo for NOT yelling at his receivers. "He's just not passionate." So now he does & still gets criticized. You have already decided what he is to you & facts won't change a thing. That's dishonest.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I also have no hate for the Cowboys. I don't hate any team; I like Seattle, but I can always find something else to do on Sunday. Unlike many fans, I'm not so obsessed with my team to be an apologist or to worship them.

OK. So now football's not so big a deal? Then why are you here? I'm not apologizing, I'm pointing out facts. I'm not worshiping them, I'm showing where you are wrong. I know you probably want to paint me as oh so emotional & therefore not to be trusted, but you're the one with no facts. Just sayin.


1) Romo puts up great stats, sure. But, as I've said, he throws the worst INTs or makes the stupidest decisions at the worst times. Want to know why QBs like Manning and Brady will throw bad INTs every once in a while and never get shot down for it? Because when they throw a bad INT, it is an absolute rarity. When Romo does something stupid, it's something he does every two or three games, and more frequently if it is an important, must-win situation.

2) The emphasis is on the stupid INTs...I have a hard time believing that 40% of QBs in the league right now would see a blitz coming for their chest and then arc a high looper to the RB that hovers in the air for about ten seconds. Brady would have taken the sack and then gotten back up. So would Ryan, Manning, hell, even Hasselbeck and Freeman. It was a rookie mistake...six years in. Romo's pass to end the game was almost Sanchez-like in its stupidity. And sure, Brady and Manning fuss at their WRs, but I've always had the sense, from the WRs' reaction, that they knew they were in the wrong. When Romo is biatching at a WR, the WR usually has a "what the fark are you talking about?" look.

And no, when Romo throws a stupid INT or does something else asinine, he doesn't go and look at a clipboard. He sits on the bench with his head in his hands. I remember when he bobbled the snap in Seattle that even the announcers--who had been apologizing for Romo all night (they blamed Terry Glenn for the fumble, never mind that the pass was at his ankles and behind him)--noticed that Romo was practically in tears with a towel over his head.

3) What can I say? I'm not going to get worked up over Romo if he wins the SB, or if he goes 1-15. I'll still wake up in the morning. But I do think the Romo apologists (look at his great stats! everyone else on the team sucks!) often border on ridiculous.
 
2013-01-03 03:23:06 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: When Romo does something stupid, it's something he does every two or three games, and more frequently if it is an important, must-win situation.


No it's not. You're basing your opinion on what you see on Sports Center. You're not going to watch every game, and that's fine. But it also means that you don't see the good things he does & judging by your post (i.e. mocking looking at his stats), you don't want to.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: the WR usually has a "what the fark are you talking about?" look.


No, he doesn't. You are making shiat up because that's what you want to believe. You DON'T KNOW.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: But I do think the Romo apologists (look at his great stats! everyone else on the team sucks!) often border on ridiculous.


My arguments are based on facts. Your arguments are based on "Well it LOOKS like that's what he's doing, so it must be true!"

whizbangthedirtfarmer: And no, when Romo throws a stupid INT or does something else asinine, he doesn't go and look at a clipboard. He sits on the bench with his head in his hands. I remember when he bobbled the snap in Seattle that even the announcers--who had been apologizing for Romo all night (they blamed Terry Glenn for the fumble, never mind that the pass was at his ankles and behind him)--noticed that Romo was practically in tears with a towel over his head.


Dude, that was seven years ago and he wasn't even acting as QB during that play . You don't know if he was practically in tears. I'm sure he was upset, though. Who wouldn't be? You're an idiot. I don't usually call names, but you have brought NOTHING to this discussion except for conjecture & subjective wharrgarble. You have no idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-01-03 03:36:24 PM

Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts


That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons
 
2013-01-03 04:16:20 PM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: ***snip***


Were you in any of the Cabrera vs. Trout MVP threads?

90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.

///Yes, that is an approximation of one of my previous sarcastic posts. Someone took it that I was agreeing with him after that post, but I am ALMOST certain that the person had created the account specifically to troll baseball threads.
 
2013-01-03 04:56:19 PM

roc6783: 90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.


Well I saw it on Sports Center. It looks like he's getting it done.

I wasn't in the MVP threads because most likely, I was still pouting about the Rangers.
 
2013-01-03 05:05:48 PM

Di Atribe: roc6783: 90% of the pro-Cabrera arguments were summed up by: Forget the stats, it comes down to getting it done. Did Miguel Cabrera get it done? Yes, therefore, getting it done is the only thing that matters because if you don't get it done, then you aren't getting it done. Get it? Done.

Well I saw it on Sports Center. It looks like he's getting it done.

I wasn't in the MVP threads because most likely, I was still pouting about the Rangers.


Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. As for the "conjecture," all you have to do is LOOK and see Ogletree looking at Romo as if he had grown a third eye. You have to HEAR the announcers pointing out Romo is sitting on the bench with his head in his hands. It's all right there. If the top 15 QBs in the league are taken, I'll go with Romo. Otherwise, no.
 
2013-01-03 05:06:44 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts

That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons


Because paying $5/month for a news aggregator site is the pinnacle of intelligence.
 
2013-01-03 05:41:48 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. ***snip***


As for the first 2 sentences, wow. As to your 3rd sentence, that was Alex Smith, how'd that work out for him?
 
2013-01-03 05:44:32 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Di Atribe: My arguments are based on facts

That is why you never win an argument on Fark. What did you expect? "Welcome sweety," "Make yourself at home," "Marry my Romo." You've got to remember, that these are just simple farkers, these are people of the land, the common clay of the new internet. You know . . . morons

Because paying $5/month for a news aggregator site is the pinnacle of intelligence.


Well I was actually sponsored because I write witty references that some less worldly people don't recognize and take offense to making them look silly.
 
2013-01-03 05:55:40 PM
So, basically, Tony Romo is Joe Montana, everything bad is everyone else's fault. Got it.
 
2013-01-03 06:30:34 PM

kronicfeld: So, basically, Tony Romo is Joe Montana, everything bad is everyone else's fault. Got it.


Nobody said that. Anywhere.
 
2013-01-03 09:32:30 PM

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Yes, Romo is getting it done. If by getting it done you mean throwing the ball stupidly in crucial moments. I'd rather have a Qb who threw for 2000 yards and was reliable in tight moments. ***snip***

As for the first 2 sentences, wow. As to your 3rd sentence, that was Alex Smith, how'd that work out for him?


Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.
 
2013-01-03 10:41:14 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.


Then you're an idiot.
 
2013-01-03 11:23:53 PM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Then you're an idiot.


Kudos to you. I hope Romo finds his way to your bed tonight.
 
2013-01-03 11:52:28 PM

Di Atribe: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Then you're an idiot.


Well, it makes sense.

Hell, I'd take almost anyone in the league "at their best" over most anyone else's average. But yeah, Romo is better than Smith.

/BTW, you'll note that Alex Smith never had a "best" until San Francisco got a badass offensive line
 
2013-01-04 10:32:38 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.


Uhhh, his coach benched him at the first opportunity for a guy who can score touchdowns instead of setting up field goals. I wouldn't call that success. Also, to build off of IAmRight's point, Smith wasn't any good without a top tier O-Line and defense. As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good. Romo is better than Kaepernick.
 
2013-01-04 10:41:29 AM
BURN HIM!!!!!! Oh shiat, sorry, I got all swept away in the Romo hate.

There are a ton of teams that would kill to have Romo starting for them and that is a fact.
 
2013-01-04 11:02:12 AM

roc6783: As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good.


I dunno, they didn't seem particularly scary in Seattle. People are going way overboard on the Kaepernick love, again, largely based on coming out strong (the reason people thought Cam Newton had a great year last year despite his numbers falling off a cliff after Week 4). The Bears expected lots of running since that's what the 49ers had done with Kaepernick in the huddle before he became a starter. They got jumped on to begin with and, thanks to Jason Campbell being awful, never had a shot to do anything in the game. In the first 35 minutes, the 49ers scored 27 points; in the final 25, they scored 5.

I suppose he did well in the prime-time game against the Pats, too. The key is prime-time games.

/Romo is better than Kaepernick
//hell, Kaepernick's big comeback in the first StL game (the tie) came after fumbling TWICE on the opening possession and the 49ers recovering both, then the second TD came after StL fumbled the ensuing kickoff and Gore ran the first play in from the 20
 
2013-01-04 11:03:04 AM
Not "the" opening possession. The opening possession of the 4th quarter, when the comeback started.
 
2013-01-04 11:16:38 AM

roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: roc6783: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Di Atribe: roc6783: ***snip***

Actually, not too damn bad. His win/loss record was pretty extraordinary, and he never made mistakes. Same with Trent Dilfer and any other "game manager" QB. I'd take Smith at his best over Romo.

Uhhh, his coach benched him at the first opportunity for a guy who can score touchdowns instead of setting up field goals. I wouldn't call that success. Also, to build off of IAmRight's point, Smith wasn't any good without a top tier O-Line and defense. As Kaepernick is proving, put a better QB on the 49ers and they go from really good to scary good. Romo is better than Kaepernick.


Uhhh...his coach benched him because he thought Kaepernick was better at scrambling that Smith, and added that extra dimension to the offense. Unfortunately, after the Bears, Kaepernick has been basically worse than Smith in every other category. I am fairly certain that Smith would have kept the 49ers at least competitive during the Seattle game.
 
2013-01-04 11:19:27 AM

IAmRight: roc6783:
***snip***


A. I'm not saying Kaepernick is phenomenal, just he has more potential than Smith.
B. Aaron Rodgers generally plays poorly against the Bears, plus the SEA D has been great this year, so I wouldn't put a huge weight on a divisional game against a really good team.
C. I don't think you really disagreed with me though.
 
2013-01-04 11:45:34 AM

roc6783: A. I'm not saying Kaepernick is phenomenal, just he has more potential than Smith.
B. Aaron Rodgers generally plays poorly against the Bears, plus the SEA D has been great this year, so I wouldn't put a huge weight on a divisional game against a really good team.
C. I don't think you really disagreed with me though.


Yeah, but it's a divisional thing with Rodgers/Bears - like I said, the Bears went in expecting run run run and they got pounced on by passes. In the second half, the 49ers didn't do much (they were also ahead by a billion because Jason Campbell can't throw more than 3 yards downfield and the 49ers defense isn't very friendly).

And Smith put up some decent points numbers over the first half of the season - the 49ers had been doing much better on converting red zone possessions into TDs earlier this year. I don't really think Kaepernick has outperformed Smith this year. He has more upside, sure, but too many people are acting as though he's clearly better than Smith now.

Basically, what whizbangthedirtfarmer said.

/but I do mostly agree with you
 
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