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(ESPN)   Jerry Jones says change is coming for the Cowboys. But not in head coach, defensive coordinator or quarterback. Also unwilling to take risks. Sounds like they should fire the GM   (espn.go.com) divider line 193
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2013-01-02 04:17:19 PM  

IAmRight: You can't take the sack


Why not?
 
2013-01-02 04:17:39 PM  
Tony Romo is a poor game manager and is on an offense driven by a HC who is ALSO a terrible game manager.

In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.
 
2013-01-02 04:17:59 PM  

Di Atribe: Sigh. So any time someone has a nice stadium, it's "farkYouandLookAtMe Dome?" Seriously?


Is there a moratorium on sarcasm now? Go ahead and poke fun at any one of my favorite teams. I won't get mad.

Di Atribe: And getting yourself all angrified over who is a fan & why is a huge waste of your time. If you watch sports so you can judge other fans in order to show what a good fan you are, then you're doing it wrong.


Not sure where you got THAT exactly. Remember that my opening salvo was, essentially, "for things to change quickly, the fans should change their behavior". I'm pointing out a change in part of the fan culture in Boston has sort of hurt what leverage said fans may have in actually sending a message to the organization. Hockey is enough a niche sport that once the diehards got pissed off with the Bruins lackluster performance (and cheapness especially), there weren't many others to attend games. Jeremy Jacobs got the message, and while I still hate his guts, he finally opened his checkbook and amazingly the talent increased and the Cup came back to town.

I'm bored at work and typing stuff, you really think I sit around and GRRR at these things?
 
2013-01-02 04:18:14 PM  

Deneb81: Tony Romo is a poor game manager and is on an offense driven by a HC who is ALSO a terrible game manager.

In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.


Go watch the play and look at Dez Bryant.

Seriously, go watch it.
 
2013-01-02 04:20:14 PM  

Treygreen13: TheOther: Going by those numbers, the Cowboys overachieved.

You're right. They were lucky to be 8-8 and were a fingertip and a bounce away from being 10-6.

What really kills me was the idea that the Cowboys, if they had won in week 17, could have had the wonderful opportunity to go up to Seattle and get their teeth kicked in by a Seahawks running game that would have made Alfred Morris's 200 yards and 3 rushing TDs look like a pop warner game. The Seahawks absolutely manhandled the Cowboys interior defense when they were healthy. In the 4th quarter of their previous meeting, the Cowboys had the ball for something like 15 seconds. Imagine how it would have been now with most of the defense hurt.

I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups. And you think people are tough on Romo now, imagine if he had gone to Seattle *again* and gotten a loss. It wouldn't have mattered what he did, a week ago he put up 416 and 4TDs and *lost* because his defense couldn't stop anyone.

Yet, here, you hear it anyway. "Well if Romo makes this pass they could have scored 35 and won!" Fark you, Cowboys fans. Nobody should have to score 30+ every week to win.

Everyone says, "well he should just throw the ball away" or "he should just take a sack". But why? What is his motivation to just lay down and let the defense try to hold? They won't. Their shiatty punter will flop it 25 yards and then any RB without polio will grind the clock out. If he goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again, it's his fault. Nobody will say, "Well I really think the Cowboys need to shore up on depth at their inside linebacker positon" they'll say "BUT IN THE 2ND QUARTER IF ROMO THROWS THIS PASS THEY WOULD HAVE BETTER FIELD POSITION!" If he completes every pass he throws and they lose because the defense gave up 60 points, it's his fault. If they win, it's "well go win the next one and then we'll see". His only hope is to sling it every chance he gets because there is no positive outcome of him not slinging it. His team doesn't force turnovers, it can't stop anyone, it can't run, they can't pass block, and the only play his coach knows is "throw it to somebody".


As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.
 
2013-01-02 04:21:27 PM  

Deneb81: As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.


Wouldn't really matter where they played. The difference in the teams is too great and the Cowboys are *worse* than they were in the previous meeting.
 
2013-01-02 04:21:55 PM  
His interviews and press conferences over the last 15 years (and ESPECIALLY in the last six months) have demonstrated one unassailable, true conclusion - Jerry is interested in running his team his way, and will do whatever he can to take all of the credit if it finally works. It's more important than winning. It's more important than the game. It's more important that his players and staff.

He won't fire himself as GM because he has "his way of doing things". He won't let a coach have control of the team because he has "his system that he wants to install and see success with". He won't use or trust a talent scout because he "knows talent in this league". He's been proven wrong for 20 years since he took up the reins from Jimmy - who knew what the hell he was doing - and simply will not admit that he's a good owner, a great salesman, but a below average GM, a clueless leader of coaching staff, and a TERRIBLE evaluator of talent.
 
2013-01-02 04:24:04 PM  

Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.


Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.
 
2013-01-02 04:24:53 PM  

Slow To Return: IAmRight: You can't take the sack

Why not?


Okay, you can, but then you're similarly going to get criticized for taking a sack at your own 20, bringing up 2nd and 19, forcing you to burn a timeout. Oh, BTW, that's 2nd and 19 with both of your top two WRs out. And that's assuming you're able to hold onto the ball.

His process on the play was fine. The result wasn't. "Bad" interceptions are the result of a poor process, not simply because of a poor result. That play wasn't in the top 50 bad INTs this season, just like Tate's simultaneous catch wasn't in the top 50 of poor calls by officials this season.

People seem to have a problem differentiating "worst" or "best" with "most widely seen."
 
2013-01-02 04:25:21 PM  

Treygreen13: I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups.


The 2010 Green Bay Packers laugh at your constant use of the injury excuse.
 
2013-01-02 04:25:48 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: As a division winner the wildcard Seahawks would have played at Jerrydome.

Wouldn't really matter where they played. The difference in the teams is too great and the Cowboys are *worse* than they were in the previous meeting.


Oh I agree. Just pointing out that it would have been at home.

Romo is like the Anti-Flacco. All sorts of stats, terrible record in games that matter.

Both are streaky though.
 
2013-01-02 04:26:35 PM  

Killer Cars: Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.

Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.


There's nothing he could have done. If anyone goes back and watches the play, they'll see him under center calling the play and lining people up

But people who think Romo was responsible for that are the type of people who don't understand football and don't know anything about the game other than "Quarterback should be leadering!"
 
2013-01-02 04:27:19 PM  

Killer Cars: Deneb81: In crunch time they crumble. See - Clock management in Baltimore that cost them a game.

Dez Bryant was busy jawing at an official and two other receivers were way downfield just sort of meandering back to the LOS. For Romo at least, I'm not sure what else he could have done.


Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.

As a Ravens fan - Thanks!
 
2013-01-02 04:30:20 PM  

mjones73: ////Yeah I know he's not the only problem on that team...


He's the strongest point on the team. He makes some bad decisions and tries to get cute instead of throwing the ball away. But he's the only reason they're not a 2 or 3 win team this year. No offensive line, and half of the defense was working at Wal-Mart when the season started. Look, I'm not saying he's in the "elite" category, but pinning him as a problem point in this club is delusional. He's easily better than 15 starting QBs in the league today. Give him a real o-line and he's top 10.
 
2013-01-02 04:31:19 PM  

IAmRight: Okay, you can, but then you're similarly going to get criticized for taking a sack at your own 20, bringing up 2nd and 19, forcing you to burn a timeout. Oh, BTW, that's 2nd and 19 with both of your top two WRs out.


A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.
 
2013-01-02 04:31:24 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: I was sitting there hoping the Cowboys would lose simply because I didn't want to watch them lose *another* playoff game with backups of backups.

The 2010 Green Bay Packers laugh at your constant use of the injury excuse.


The 2010 Green Bay Packers gave up 16, 21, and 14 points in their playoff run. In their last 6 weeks of the regular season, they gave up 14.333 points per game.

The Cowboys gave up nearly 30 ppg in the last 6 weeks. The defense was shiat.
 
2013-01-02 04:34:57 PM  

Treygreen13: The 2010 Green Bay Packers gave up 16, 21, and 14 points in their playoff run. In their last 6 weeks of the regular season, they gave up 14.333 points per game.

The Cowboys gave up nearly 30 ppg in the last 6 weeks. The defense was shiat.


The game I watched on Sunday night, DeMarcus Ware seemed to be the defender that got punked the most.
 
2013-01-02 04:35:20 PM  

Deneb81: Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.


Jason Garrett told him to try to run the play. As soon as it was clear Dez wasn't running back they called a timeout. I don't know how you put any blame on him. He's just following the instructions given to him.

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.


Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.
 
2013-01-02 04:36:37 PM  

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.


You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.

Sometimes the defense just makes a good play (and sometimes your offensive line sucks such massive donkey balls that the defense makes many more good plays than usual).

I know that I used to watch the Seahawks offensive line and get mad on the rare occasions where they gave up immediate pressure. Then I started watching Dallas, Chicago, and Green Bay's lines and became a lot more appreciative of what the Seattle line does.

/though they did have a bad game for them on Sunday
 
2013-01-02 04:37:07 PM  

Killer Cars: I'm bored at work and typing stuff, you really think I sit around and GRRR at these things?


I don't know! You made a lot of words! What am I supposed to think? :P

Killer Cars: Remember that my opening salvo was, essentially, "for things to change quickly, the fans should change their behavior".


It's easy for the die hard fans to quit going to games & quit buying stuff. But what happens when we all quit going? The opponents' fans buy up the tickets. The wine & cheese crowd shows up. Jerry still gets his money. So I quit buying Cowboys gear. Every birthday & Christmas, someone gets me more Cowboys gear (which I love, never stop doing that). Jerry still gets his money. We're probably going to still watch the TV broadcasts. High ratings for the games = Jerry still gets his money. And THEN you walk that line.... am I walking out on my team? Am I quitting? Am I being a bad fan? Do you really think I'm going to just quit watching games or talking about them?

The Dallas Cowboys Team of Football is the most valuable franchise in the NFL & the second most valuable sports franchise in the world. It's practically impossible for enough fans to make an impact on a $2.1B company. And for what? Until which demands are met? Hire a GM? Hire an OC? Get rid of [X] player? I mean, it's just not tenable. It's not going to happen. I mean, mostly all we can do is biatch online.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
2013-01-02 04:37:35 PM  

Treygreen13: Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.


In fairness, Eli throws his desperation passes deep and has nobody receivers bail him out over and over.
 
2013-01-02 04:37:59 PM  
Tony Romo likes to throw interceptions. It makes the man happy.
 
2013-01-02 04:39:52 PM  

Slow To Return: The game I watched on Sunday night, DeMarcus Ware seemed to be the defender that got punked the most.


Ware is good, but he's a one-trick pony. He's a pass rusher. If the QB does anything but stand there and get hit, you might as well be asking him to do trigonometry. Occasionally they'll get cute and drop him back into coverage, but he's no good at it. He's not really a great tackler except of QBs... not that it really matters. The Cowboys had 1 sack in 3 weeks. They got *2* hurries in the Saints game. That was the bright spot on defense. Two hurries... unless you count a forced fumble that bounced 20 yards forward into the hands of Jimmy Graham a "highlight".
 
2013-01-02 04:40:09 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: Use your time out, rather than kill clock time, not get off a play, and still have to call a time out to kick a very long FG.

Jason Garrett told him to try to run the play. As soon as it was clear Dez wasn't running back they called a timeout. I don't know how you put any blame on him. He's just following the instructions given to him.

Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.

Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.


It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.

And the fact that 'Garrett told him to' doesn't help with my comment that both are Andy Reid bad at game and clock management.
 
2013-01-02 04:41:08 PM  

IAmRight: You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.


Yeah, let me rephrase. "Blindly floating a dead-duck pass is rarely a good idea."
 
2013-01-02 04:41:24 PM  
Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?
 
2013-01-02 04:42:42 PM  

Di Atribe: eddievercetti: Yeah, he's like NUMBER 4 on that list.

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It's not like Jerry Darth Sidious Jones is leaving his GM job anytime soon.
 
2013-01-02 04:42:44 PM  

Slow To Return: Yeah, let me rephrase. "Blindly floating a dead-duck pass is rarely a good idea."


Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.
 
2013-01-02 04:44:04 PM  

IAmRight: Treygreen13: Well, throwing desperation passes into coverage in big games works for another NFC East QB.

In fairness, Eli throws his desperation passes deep and has nobody receivers bail him out over and over.


There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.
 
2013-01-02 04:44:33 PM  

IAmRight: Slow To Return: A punt's still better than a pick. It's the second time this season that Romo's been picked because he got fooled by a rusher who dropped back into coverage. You may argue that he didn't have time to see it, but that's exactly the point. If you can't see that the receiver is open, you shouldn't make the pass. Or hell, maybe you SHOULD make the pass, and let random successes earn you a reputation as a gunslinger.

You're aware that many, many passes are thrown before the receiver is open in the NFL, right? Like virtually all of them. Blitz came, he saw the first step and it looked like his hot read would be open. He threw to the hot read, and it turned out it was a fake first step.

Sometimes the defense just makes a good play (and sometimes your offensive line sucks such massive donkey balls that the defense makes many more good plays than usual).

I know that I used to watch the Seahawks offensive line and get mad on the rare occasions where they gave up immediate pressure. Then I started watching Dallas, Chicago, and Green Bay's lines and became a lot more appreciative of what the Seattle line does.

/though they did have a bad game for them on Sunday


Tom Cable struggled in planning for the Rams during both games. Say what you will about the Rams, but they are very creative with their DLine and their blitz packages.
 
2013-01-02 04:47:17 PM  

IAmRight: Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.


You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.

Someone at work made the comment, "The defender just made a great play on the ball."

All I had in response was a blank stare.... It's the NFL not Pop Warner - you have to expect defenders to make great plays. It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.
 
2013-01-02 04:48:27 PM  

Deneb81: It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.


You can't spike the ball with receivers not on the line. Spiking the ball isn't something you can do with Dez Bryant standing 20 yards downfield yelling at an official. Blame Dez.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?


I'll do that when Romo's Quarterback Talents are the reason they're losing. Instead, they're the only reason the Cowboys aren't 3-13 this year. Look at my stats at the start of the thread. The Cowboys are an abysmal NFL team outside of the passing game.

Why is the QB position the only position that people don't understand is "part of the team"? The QB isn't the only player on the team.
 
2013-01-02 04:49:47 PM  

Slow To Return: You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.


It was a bad pass. Of course, it was made under duress because nobody blocked a rusher and Tony did have a broken rib. Again.
 
2013-01-02 04:50:33 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times


I think we can look back at all the fine WRs who have left the Cowboys and gone on to do great things elsewhere as proof that it's just Romo. Laurent Robinson, how's that going for you? TO, any comments on your post-Cowboys career? Roy Williams, are you even still alive?

Let's look at the Cowboys RBs. Their last RB to crack 1000 yards? The sack of sh*t that is Julius Jones (1084 in 2006 - yes I'm still bitter that the Seahawks wasted time and money on that no-talent assclown).

Jason Garrett has been pretty well known as a terrible play-caller for years.

Can't comment on the O-Line for the past several years, but it has indeed been godawful in every game I've seen of the Cowboys' this year (admittedly, I try not to watch many).
 
2013-01-02 04:51:09 PM  

Treygreen13: There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.


To be honest, man, I don't give two shiats about comparing Romo and Manning.

What bums me out is the fact that the Cowboys are exactly .500 in the 21st Century.

I don't really care who you wanna blame. I'm just sick of it.
 
2013-01-02 04:53:22 PM  

Slow To Return: You are seriously, seriously undervaluing the awfulness of that particular pass.


No, I've just watched a lot of football this year and I don't understand everyone's constant need to make the most recent thing into the best/worst of all time. Also, as a Seahawks fan I've seen the Cardinals twice and the Jets this year.
 
2013-01-02 04:53:22 PM  

Slow To Return: It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.


To be fair, you shouldn't throw a missile either to the RB sweeping out of the backfield like that. RBs aren't WRs and it was a short distance, so Romo's read (as wrong as it was) would have told him "RB wide open in short flat"...I mean, if that's your "read" of the situation, why wouldn't you just float the ball to him and let the RB run under it?

The throw just looked worse because the type of play it was (and the fact a LB so easily picked it off).
 
2013-01-02 04:54:35 PM  

Slow To Return: Treygreen13: There are two fundamental differences between Tony Romo and Eli Manning.

1. Romo's desperation heaves are almost guaranteed to be returned for a touchdown, whereas Eli's desperation heaves will be caught for a TD.
2. Eli had the best protection in the league and his bad games are completely irrelevant. Tony Romo might have the worst offensive line in the league and his good games are completely irrelevant.

To be honest, man, I don't give two shiats about comparing Romo and Manning.

What bums me out is the fact that the Cowboys are exactly .500 in the 21st Century.

I don't really care who you wanna blame. I'm just sick of it.


As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."

If people looked at teams as a combination of 53 players, rather than some physical manifestation of the aura of the QB, I'd have a lot less issue with anything anyone said.
 
2013-01-02 04:54:41 PM  

Treygreen13: Deneb81: It was 2nd down, the previous play was a 1y pass, with 26 seconds on the clock.

If neither coach nor QB has the sense to spike the ball or use the TO before 6 seconds left they... Well they deserve to try a 51 yard FG outdoors.

You can't spike the ball with receivers not on the line. Spiking the ball isn't something you can do with Dez Bryant standing 20 yards downfield yelling at an official. Blame Dez.

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?

I'll do that when Romo's Quarterback Talents are the reason they're losing. Instead, they're the only reason the Cowboys aren't 3-13 this year. Look at my stats at the start of the thread. The Cowboys are an abysmal NFL team outside of the passing game.

Why is the QB position the only position that people don't understand is "part of the team"? The QB isn't the only player on the team.


A - how did Dez wind up 20 yards out on a 1 yard route? Idiot receiver or idiot play call in crunch time when a penalty already put you in FG range with one TO?
B - Time out by either Romo or Garrett and you have 20s at least to run a play to the sidelines. Make the call if its clear Dez is costing too much time.
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.
D - all signs point to poor game/clock management.
 
2013-01-02 04:54:46 PM  

Di Atribe: I know people are pissed at Romo right now. I'm not going to try to defend that last interception.


You can tell it is pretty bad when Di is the first one to throw Tony (Antonio) Romo under the bus in a Cowboys thread
 
2013-01-02 04:57:13 PM  

Treygreen13: In total offense, the Cowboys rank 6th, just shy of 6,000 yards of offense.


given that plus the fact that the rushing offense sucks show that Romo really is the one bright spot on the team.
 
2013-01-02 04:57:14 PM  

Treygreen13: As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."


I do like to point out that the Redskins are 1-5 without Pierre Garcon this year and 11-0 with him in the lineup.

Also, Denver's kick returner (can't remember the name, close to the end of the day at work so I'm not going to look him up) had a perfect season this year - he went 5-0 with the Texans, got cut, went 11-0 with the Broncos. GIVE THAT MAN HIS BANNER

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2013-01-02 04:57:26 PM  

Killer Cars: Slow To Return: It was also quite easy to make a play on that ball. I could have run down from the cheap seats and had enough time to make a play on that ball.

To be fair, you shouldn't throw a missile either to the RB sweeping out of the backfield like that. RBs aren't WRs and it was a short distance, so Romo's read (as wrong as it was) would have told him "RB wide open in short flat"...I mean, if that's your "read" of the situation, why wouldn't you just float the ball to him and let the RB run under it?

The throw just looked worse because the type of play it was (and the fact a LB so easily picked it off).


The worst part to me is that they LET A DEFENDER THROUGH UNBLOCKED. Nobody cares that the offensive line absolutely blew it. Or that Jason Hatcher commits an absolutely killer penalty on the next drive that would have given them another chance. Or that the defense gave up 200 yards rushing and 3 TDs.
 
2013-01-02 04:59:55 PM  

Treygreen13: As long as people say, "The Cowboys are exactly .500" and not "Tony Romo is exactly .500" that's all I ask. Nobody ever says, "Demarcus Ware is exactly .500" or "Miles Austin is 1-6 in win or go home games."


You feed into this yourself.

You like to say, when the Cowboys lose, how it's a team game and it's not all Tony's fault. But then in the same breath, you turn around and give Tony all the credit when they win with statements like, "they'd be 3-13 without him."
 
2013-01-02 05:00:06 PM  

IAmRight: Lots of players blindly throw passes - that's why people have routes to run - it's so quarterbacks will know where they are. I don't think he really intended to not be able to put anything on it, but such things will happen when someone is about to hit you as soon as you make your drop.


Second sign that things are really really not good for Romo: IAmRight is white knighting Romos Qbacking.
 
2013-01-02 05:02:57 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?


As soon as those things stop being crippling to him every game. Why pin the losses on the QB? because "he's the guy who has to take the fall"? Drop him for some other random guy, and you're in an even worse position. With moderate protection, he performs really well.

The numbers are clear - Romo isn't the problem. Trying to pin it on him is delusional.

Romo:
3rd in passing yards total
3rd passing yards per game
5th in completion percentage
6th in touchdowns

Team:
31st in rushing offense
30th in rushing yards per attempt
19th in defense (total yards)
24th in points allowed

Other than his 19 interceptions, why would any rational person look at Romo as even a top 10 problem on this team?
 
2013-01-02 05:04:40 PM  

IAmRight: No, I've just watched a lot of football this year and I don't understand everyone's constant need to make the most recent thing into the best/worst of all time. Also, as a Seahawks fan I've seen the Cardinals twice and the Jets this year.


Oh, although it was a bad pass, it definitely wasn't the worst of all-time. I said it in another thread, the Redskins knew Romo's tendencies and they dialed up the perfect defense for that play. The LB probably knew he had a pick before Romo even released the ball.

Reminded me of the most perfectly defended passes I've seen in recent years - that Saints DB who pick-sixed Manning in the Super Bowl.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:01 PM  

Khellendros: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Still love the Romo apologies. I don't hate the Cowboys, but, apparently, throughout all of Romo's career:

1) his receivers run the wrong patterns on a regular basis
2) he has no running back
3) his coaches call horrible plays
4) his OLine doesn't exist
5) the opposing defense is too good and keeps intercepting his passes at horrible times

Romo has been a starter for 6 years now. At what point in time do we decide that his talents at QB aren't necessarily everyone else's fault?

As soon as those things stop being crippling to him every game. Why pin the losses on the QB? because "he's the guy who has to take the fall"? Drop him for some other random guy, and you're in an even worse position. With moderate protection, he performs really well.

The numbers are clear - Romo isn't the problem. Trying to pin it on him is delusional.

Romo:
3rd in passing yards total
3rd passing yards per game
5th in completion percentage
6th in touchdowns

Team:
31st in rushing offense
30th in rushing yards per attempt
19th in defense (total yards)
24th in points allowed

Other than his 19 interceptions, why would any rational person look at Romo as even a top 10 problem on this team?


Timing of his failures. Romo has earned a reputation of failing at inopportune times. That pick just adds to the legend.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:36 PM  

IAmRight: Denver's kick returner (can't remember the name, close to the end of the day at work so I'm not going to look him up) had a perfect season this year - he went 5-0 with the Texans, got cut, went 11-0 with the Broncos. GIVE THAT MAN


The guy from LSU, Trindon Holliday or something.
 
2013-01-02 05:06:48 PM  
Deneb81:
C - Spike it and take the offside. A 10s run off is STILL less time than was wasted not running a play. You still have a TO, 10s, and a long FG try.

I love your plan. 10s run off and take an "offensive offsides" for 5 yards of field position! Brilliant!

I'll send this over to Jerry right away.

Seriously, it was another week where the team gave up 30+ on defense and a kickoff return for a TD, and the kicker misses a FG as time expires, and it's Romo's fault that Dez Bryant is standing with his back to the play.

I mean, take a second, evaluate your position here. They lost 28-31 after Romo led an 80 yard comeback TD drive and would have been tied if Dez Bryant doesn't let a 2-point conversion bounce off his hands in the end-zone.

This is exactly the kind of shiat I'm talking about. It's insanity. No other QB in the league would get that sort of nonsense.
 
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