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(WESH Orlando)   Florida lawmakers claim they didn't communicate with lobbyists before important vote, fail to realize that text messages count as communication   (wesh.com) divider line 14
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2013-01-02 03:15:11 PM
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2013-01-02 04:41:25 PM
2 votes:
all of our elected tyrants are absolute disgraces they only represent the UN & it's communist agenda!
2013-01-02 03:21:42 PM
2 votes:
If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.
2013-01-02 03:19:40 PM
2 votes:
WTF CNGRS?
2013-01-02 06:23:05 PM
1 votes:

Flab: NightOwl2255: Flab: My in-laws run a family business out of their kitchen (and a pretty big garage for their trucks) and they have more than 15 employees.

Good for them. And they are not a mom and pop shop. They're a business. They have a payroll well into 6 figures (unless it's a bunch of part-timers working 15 hours a week.

At 10$/hr, it only takes 5 full time employees to have your payroll hit 6 figures. If that's your threshold for no longer calling it a "mom n' pop" operation, then there's a shiat ton of family operated businesses who will be very surprised to learn they're no longer a small business.


Apparently "well into six figures" now means "minimum of six figures".
2013-01-02 04:33:27 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: It would only affect companies with 15 or more employees. The lawn guy that has a couple of people working for him would not be covered. Once you have 15 paid employees, you are not a mom and pop shop anymore.


Really? My "mom" and "pop" would strongly disagree with you... as would just about every other mom and pop venture.
2013-01-02 04:33:02 PM
1 votes:

Flab: My in-laws run a family business out of their kitchen (and a pretty big garage for their trucks) and they have more than 15 employees.


museamused: Lawncare guys, HVAC repairmen, and plumbers don't have 20 employees. Companies have 20 employees. By the definition, in proposed legislation, 20 full time employees are a big company (if I understand correctly).
I work with many small companies that have far less than 20 FT employees and they're still good sized companies. If you want to take issue with bothering small companies, fine, but > 20 FT employees is not a small company.


oops.

I only posted in this thread because I have similar anectdotal evidence that you can have family run business with 15 to 30 employees. And the Moms and Dads that run those "good sized companies" worked harder than most everbody I have ever met. 6-7 days a week, 10-15 hour days.

Were they 'wealthy'? Yep. Did they earn it? Yep. Did their full time warehouse workers that went home at the end of an 8 hour shift deserve government mandated sick leave? Not in my book. Negotiate for it, of course, but I go back to my earlier point: These are the people that drive your local economy. Don't be so quick to shiat on them.
2013-01-02 04:03:59 PM
1 votes:

FormlessOne: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?

Absolutely. The cuts should be proportional, after all - if the guy at the bottom has to pay 10%, well, the guy at the top should pay 10%, too. It's only fair.


Then it follows that taxes should be done this way, right?
2013-01-02 03:26:23 PM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?


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I'm not like you, I believe in treating everyone equally.
2013-01-02 03:26:06 PM
1 votes:
Ahem.

upload.wikimedia.org
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-6-2008/rustbelt-f--kfest

If those texts were on a government issued cell phone, they would be public record anyhow no?

/start watching at 2:32 for Exhibit A in Why You Should Know Better Idiots
2013-01-02 03:19:23 PM
1 votes:
I don't know which I find more sickening, the outright corruption or the fact that people with actual responsibilities conduct business via text messages.
2013-01-02 03:13:17 PM
1 votes:
Workers of small businesses should make their own lobbying group and vote out those county commisioners.

/lol
2013-01-02 03:09:43 PM
1 votes:
Reading those texts is a lot like watching sausage being made....

/Years ago, one of our US Senators introduced a bill that was so obviously the work of a lobbyist that one of his colleagues publicly questioned if the bill had actually been written on the back of a check.
2013-01-02 03:05:20 PM
1 votes:
maulworld.typepad.com

/hot like corruption
 
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