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2013-01-02 02:42:25 PM
So much for the Sunshine State's "Sunshine Law".
 
2013-01-02 03:00:09 PM
Florida lawmakers claim they didn't communicate with lobbyists before important vote, fail to realize that text messages count as communication

Subby's headline assumes a good deal about Floriduh's understanding of the concept of "communication"... also: their capacity for it.
 
2013-01-02 03:04:13 PM
"Not acting as a lobbyist, just a concerned citizen"

rrrrriiiiigggggghhhhhtttttt
 
2013-01-02 03:05:20 PM
maulworld.typepad.com

/hot like corruption
 
2013-01-02 03:08:37 PM
Nice little fifedom they're running down there.
 
2013-01-02 03:09:43 PM
Reading those texts is a lot like watching sausage being made....

/Years ago, one of our US Senators introduced a bill that was so obviously the work of a lobbyist that one of his colleagues publicly questioned if the bill had actually been written on the back of a check.
 
2013-01-02 03:10:27 PM
Term limits for every politician at two years. Every single one. Every elected official, everywhere. After that, you either campaign for a higher spot, or are permanently barred from politics.

/hard to type that with a straight face
 
2013-01-02 03:13:17 PM
Workers of small businesses should make their own lobbying group and vote out those county commisioners.

/lol
 
2013-01-02 03:14:32 PM
Corruption in public office / violation of public trust should be met with the death penalty.
 
2013-01-02 03:14:56 PM
Disney, Darden, Mears? LOL, it's like a Who's Who of evil.
 
2013-01-02 03:15:11 PM
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2013-01-02 03:16:47 PM

H31N0US: Corruption in public office / violation of public trust should be met with the death penalty.


Meh, don't have to kill them, just make sure they can't hold any elected position again, ever. And that's AFTER they get out of prison.

/would like to see them killed as well
 
2013-01-02 03:17:32 PM

grinding_journalist: Term limits for every politician at two years. Every single one. Every elected official, everywhere. After that, you either campaign for a higher spot, or are permanently barred from politics.

/hard to type that with a straight face


I think jury duty type process. Random people, 1 year term.
 
2013-01-02 03:18:04 PM
Scumbag politicians act like scumbags. More at 11.

/Why is this news?
 
2013-01-02 03:19:23 PM
I don't know which I find more sickening, the outright corruption or the fact that people with actual responsibilities conduct business via text messages.
 
2013-01-02 03:19:40 PM
WTF CNGRS?
 
2013-01-02 03:20:18 PM

grinding_journalist: Meh, don't have to kill them, just make sure they can't hold any elected position again, ever. And that's AFTER they get out of prison.


Nope. Not enough of a deterrent.

Then again, I live in Jersey. If we shot all the corrupt officials / cops / public workers up here, there would be no recognizable government left.

/no, I am not a teabagger.
 
2013-01-02 03:21:42 PM
If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.
 
2013-01-02 03:23:24 PM

david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.


And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?
 
2013-01-02 03:26:06 PM
Ahem.

upload.wikimedia.org
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-may-6-2008/rustbelt-f--kfest

If those texts were on a government issued cell phone, they would be public record anyhow no?

/start watching at 2:32 for Exhibit A in Why You Should Know Better Idiots
 
2013-01-02 03:26:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?


.
I'm not like you, I believe in treating everyone equally.
 
2013-01-02 03:26:43 PM

grinding_journalist: Term limits for every politician at two years. Every single one. Every elected official, everywhere. After that, you either campaign for a higher spot, or are permanently barred from politics.

/hard to type that with a straight face


And that would stop the people in power from selecting a new candidate to fund and get elected every two years how?
We need better campaign financing laws along with term limits, our it's pointless.
Same puppet masters pulling different strings.
 
2013-01-02 03:27:31 PM

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?


Absolutely. The cuts should be proportional, after all - if the guy at the bottom has to pay 10%, well, the guy at the top should pay 10%, too. It's only fair.
 
2013-01-02 03:28:39 PM

david_gaithersburg: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?

.
I'm not like you, I believe in treating everyone equally.


So, you're cool with a proportional approach then? Equal treatment and all that.
 
2013-01-02 03:29:27 PM

david_gaithersburg: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?

.
I'm not like you, I believe in treating everyone equally.


Ah ok. Execs get sick time pay, so everyone should, right?
 
2013-01-02 03:30:56 PM
I'm told that businesses 'proposing' (writing) legislation is normal. It just has to go through a round of editing and obfuscation by senate/house employees. Sometimes that obfuscation is to hide the business source, sometimes it's to confuse the public as to its true intent.

Sunshine Law: where you get almost everything you ask for. You just have to know to ask for it.
 
2013-01-02 03:31:41 PM
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Disney lobbyist Sharon Smoley texts Boyd, "If something in the lawsuit is overturned, we are vulnerable."
 
2013-01-02 03:32:17 PM

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?


I'm sure the CEO would be willing to take a $12,000 pay cut to pay for his sick time.
 
2013-01-02 03:33:04 PM

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?


If it's a business with 20 employees, they'll probably just cut staff and hire more part timers. Because the "people at the top" is the lady who owns the business.

Seriously people, leave small businesses alone. They employ the nation. You want to regulate Disney, fine. Leave the pizza shop, the lawncare guy, the plumber, the HVAC repairman, and all the other business that keep your local economy going out of it.
 
2013-01-02 03:36:26 PM
Just make lobbying illegal.
 
2013-01-02 03:36:48 PM

mdeesnuts: You want to regulate Disney, fine


"Text messages from Commissioner Jennifer Thompson, who also texted with a Disney lobbyist that day are not among the records released and may be permanently lost"

Not so fine it seems. And their lobbyist is skilled enough to ensure evidence disappears.
 
2013-01-02 03:42:29 PM
text messages count as communication

OMGROFLMAO ILICISCOMK WTF? KMAG
 
2013-01-02 03:43:30 PM

mdeesnuts: Seriously people, leave small businesses alone. They employ the nation. You want to regulate Disney, fine. Leave the pizza shop, the lawncare guy, the plumber, the HVAC repairman, and all the other business that keep your local economy going out of it.


It would only affect companies with 15 or more employees. The lawn guy that has a couple of people working for him would not be covered. Once you have 15 paid employees, you are not a mom and pop shop anymore.
 
2013-01-02 03:43:52 PM

HotWingConspiracy: mdeesnuts: You want to regulate Disney, fine

"Text messages from Commissioner Jennifer Thompson, who also texted with a Disney lobbyist that day are not among the records released and may be permanently lost"

Not so fine it seems. And their lobbyist is skilled enough to ensure evidence disappears.


Also FTFA: The measure would have required businesses with more than 15 workers to offer paid sick time to all employees.

I'm not defending cumdumpster Commisioner Thompson, just pointing out if you're aiming for the big fish you don't target all those 16 employee international megacorps.
 
2013-01-02 03:46:01 PM

mdeesnuts: HotWingConspiracy: mdeesnuts: You want to regulate Disney, fine

"Text messages from Commissioner Jennifer Thompson, who also texted with a Disney lobbyist that day are not among the records released and may be permanently lost"

Not so fine it seems. And their lobbyist is skilled enough to ensure evidence disappears.

Also FTFA: The measure would have required businesses with more than 15 workers to offer paid sick time to all employees.

I'm not defending cumdumpster Commisioner Thompson, just pointing out if you're aiming for the big fish you don't target all those 16 employee international megacorps.


There are some rather wealthy companies with fewer employees than that.
 
2013-01-02 03:47:53 PM

grinding_journalist: H31N0US: Corruption in public office / violation of public trust should be met with the death penalty.

Meh, don't have to kill them, just make sure they can't hold any elected position again, ever. And that's AFTER they get out of prison.

/would like to see them killed as well


it's worse if they don't hold elected office, but can communicate with those who do.

/Jack Abramoff never held public office, but even after leaving prison, he can still wield some strong influence unless there's a way to stop that.
//See where the death penalty can be of use?
 
2013-01-02 03:48:06 PM
Gough

Reading those texts is a lot like watching sausage being made....

/Years ago, one of our US Senators introduced a bill that was so obviously the work of a lobbyist that one of his colleagues publicly questioned if the bill had actually been written on the back of a check.


I would have loved to see that, but he was prolly more upset that his check was smaller.
 
2013-01-02 03:49:50 PM

NightOwl2255: mdeesnuts: Seriously people, leave small businesses alone. They employ the nation. You want to regulate Disney, fine. Leave the pizza shop, the lawncare guy, the plumber, the HVAC repairman, and all the other business that keep your local economy going out of it.

It would only affect companies with 15 or more employees. The lawn guy that has a couple of people working for him would not be covered. Once you have 15 paid employees, you are not a mom and pop shop anymore.


Not so hard to get to 15.
 
2013-01-02 03:51:53 PM

HotWingConspiracy: mdeesnuts: You want to regulate Disney, fine

"Text messages from Commissioner Jennifer Thompson, who also texted with a Disney lobbyist that day are not among the records released and may be permanently lost"

Not so fine it seems. And their lobbyist is skilled enough to ensure evidence disappears.


The texts are somewhere; just ask David Petraeus. There's a "recycle bin" that the "recycle bin" empties into at the telecoms, all you need is the right warrant.

I read TFA; was there a specific AMOUNT of sick time cited? If all these commissioners and lobbyists were willing to lie on the record for it, it must have been pretty damn big.
 
2013-01-02 04:03:59 PM

FormlessOne: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?

Absolutely. The cuts should be proportional, after all - if the guy at the bottom has to pay 10%, well, the guy at the top should pay 10%, too. It's only fair.


Then it follows that taxes should be done this way, right?
 
2013-01-02 04:09:28 PM

HotWingConspiracy: There are some rather wealthy companies with fewer employees than that.


And probably a lot of diners and hamburger joints with more.  It depends on the line of work.
 
2013-01-02 04:12:26 PM
I looked it up from other sources, and (sorry for the bias) the first one that came up with specifics was HuffPo: "Last month, Orange's Board of County Commissioners voted to put off a ballot vote on a hotly contested measure that would require employers to provide workers with one hour of sick leave for every 37 hours worked, capped at 56 per year."

Wow, that 's pretty damn significant, and introduces an expected, additional absentee rate of 2.8% every day. That would have to be offset in wage calculus, at least until the benefits of keeping sick people out of the office/jobsite pay off with shorter illness duration and less spread to the rest of the staff.

The HuffPo also pointed out: "By delaying the vote until after the printing deadline for the Nov. 6 ballot, the board's move at least temporarily scuttled an initiative that 50,000 voters had petitioned to put to a public vote."

Ahh, democracy, bought and sold. Yes, ballot initiatives are direct democracy, and not "constitutional republic" maneuvers.
 
2013-01-02 04:13:37 PM

you have pee hands: And probably a lot of diners and hamburger joints with more. It depends on the line of work.


This is selling me on the idea, just FYI. I'd rather that food-service workers be allowed to miss work when they have the flu.
 
2013-01-02 04:17:08 PM

factoryconnection: This is selling me on the idea, just FYI. I'd rather that food-service workers be allowed to miss work when they have the flu.


I'm not really trying to convince anyone of anything.  I'm just saying that 15 employees isn't necessarily all that many, especially if it includes part timers.
 
2013-01-02 04:18:04 PM

david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.


So if people don't get sick, the company makes a bigger profit?  My, what a big heart you have!

NightOwl2255: Once you have 15 paid employees, you are not a mom and pop shop anymore.


My in-laws run a family business out of their kitchen (and a pretty big garage for their trucks) and they have more than 15 employees.
 
2013-01-02 04:18:12 PM
you know they are corrupt
you know they don't care about you
and yet you keep voting
standing with religious ferver
and proudly putting your name on the politician

you don't have the right to complain
you are part of the process
the problem was made by you
 
2013-01-02 04:18:16 PM

mdeesnuts: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: If the government mandates sick pay then companies should simply cut salaries to pay for the mandated cost.

And start at the top, since that's where the most money is, right?

If it's a business with 20 employees, they'll probably just cut staff and hire more part timers. Because the "people at the top" is the lady who owns the business.

Seriously people, leave small businesses alone. They employ the nation. You want to regulate Disney, fine. Leave the pizza shop, the lawncare guy, the plumber, the HVAC repairman, and all the other business that keep your local economy going out of it.


Lawncare guys, HVAC repairmen, and plumbers don't have 20 employees. Companies have 20 employees. By the definition, in proposed legislation, 20 full time employees are a big company (if I understand correctly).
I work with many small companies that have far less than 20 FT employees and they're still good sized companies. If you want to take issue with bothering small companies, fine, but > 20 FT employees is not a small company.
 
2013-01-02 04:18:39 PM

queezyweezel: And that would stop the people in power from selecting a new candidate to fund and get elected every two years how?


It wouldn't eliminate it, but trying to truly eliminate it is like trying to eliminate "evil". It is inevitable that there will always be corruption and graft, the best we can do is make it more and more difficult.

If you cap political service at two years, not only will "maintaining" a roster of paid pols get very expensive, monitoring the financial records of those in office would draw attention to extreme graft. If I got elected, was in office for 6 months and all of a sudden started taking expensive vacations, driving a really nice car, and my kids were enrolled at Exeter, chances are people would know I was on the take. Granted, you could say you'll pay them under the table after the fact, but I wouldn't trust a company to make good on an illegal bribe payment years afterwards.
 
2013-01-02 04:20:25 PM

Karac: I don't know which I find more sickening, the outright corruption or the fact that people with actual responsibilities conduct business via text messages.


And what exactly is wrong with text messages grandpa? Most cell phone companies store text messages for longer than youd think, and they can be easily subpoenaed, some companies dont even require that. Perfect for on record communications of our elected officials. Recording phone calls takes effort and is illegal in many states.
 
2013-01-02 04:22:48 PM

Cyno01: Most cell phone companies store text messages for longer than youd think, and they can be easily subpoenaed, some companies dont even require that.


I think the good Republicans of Orange County, FL are about to find out just how true this is for their carriers.
 
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