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(NBC News)   The 2013 disease that will wipe out the human race is: *drum roll* MALARIA   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 111
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2013-01-02 12:50:04 PM
I was thinking unlikely until I read the article.

Drug resistant? Holy fark.
 
2013-01-02 01:38:30 PM
Silent Spring continues its fabulous kill rate.
 
2013-01-02 02:16:02 PM
Nothing but good news so far this year...

Mother Natures pissed. Watch out, y'all!!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-02 02:32:49 PM
There is a simple way to get people to complete the course of treatment. First half of doses contain a poison. Second half of doses contain the antitode. If they don't return for the second half, at least their corpses will not pass along the mutated super-plasmodium.
 
2013-01-02 03:02:29 PM
I can't wait for the hipsters to tell us they were into Malaria back in its Panama Canal digging days...before it went all "corporate"
 
2013-01-02 03:15:28 PM

unamused: Silent Spring continues its fabulous kill rate.


It wouldn't be a proper Fark Malaria thread without this talking point, would it?
 
2013-01-02 03:27:59 PM
Guess I'll have to switch to gin and tonic
 
2013-01-02 03:59:44 PM
Don't worry, I'll take care a ya.
 
2013-01-02 04:01:55 PM
I heard an extremely detailed article/interview on this and the basic gist of the issue is that there is a *HUGE* market in Thailand and that area of Asia in counterfeit tablets of malaria medicine.
The problem is twofold:
1. People buy pills that have little or no medicinal value
2. They take said pills and the effect is none/ some value but because the parasite doesn't get the Whole BANG from a regular dosage of proper medicine, then it can over time become resistant and those people that are carriers, don't heal as rapidly as they should and can transmit the disease.

/3rd world people problems.
//Gin and Tonic all day long.
 
2013-01-02 04:02:21 PM
Calls for a fourth vodak and tonix, not worried.
 
2013-01-02 04:02:51 PM
This just means you have to sleep with black guys until you contract sickle cell.

/off to the YMCA!
 
2013-01-02 04:03:26 PM
Also read today how some farking knob scientists created a super mutated bird flu strand. The thing is airborne and could easily wipe out at least half the worlds population. And theses farktards are now debating whether to publish the recipe. Honestly, i say kill everyone who has knowledge about how to create it, and destroy any living strains of this abomination. Scary day for diseases this day is, makes me wonder if all these nutjob end of days preppers in their bunkers have it right afterall...
 
2013-01-02 04:03:33 PM
This is news now?
It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...

/yea, drug resistant blah blah blah.
/already having a dengue epidemic here, I'll play you the song of my people on a tiny violin.
 
2013-01-02 04:04:01 PM
Bring back limited use of DDT.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-02 04:05:07 PM
Guess I'll have to switch to gin and tonic

The article says quinine-resistant malaria has been around for a while.
 
2013-01-02 04:07:25 PM
Well, at least we won't have to worry about DDT trucks. Thanks, hippies.
 
2013-01-02 04:07:28 PM

way south: This is news now?
It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...


It was until DDT was used to kill off mosquitos in prone areas.

But of course, that has since changed.

Enjoy your epidemic.
 
2013-01-02 04:08:12 PM
Isn't it tough to milk the Mosquitos? I mean, how many Mosquitos do you need to get enough anti-malaria antibodies?
 
2013-01-02 04:08:15 PM

BigLuca: This just means you have to sleep your mom should have slept with black guys until you contract sickle cell.

/off to the YMCA!



it's a genetic trait
 
2013-01-02 04:10:15 PM

phaseolus: BigLuca: This just means you have to sleep your mom should have slept with black guys until you contract sickle cell.

/off to the YMCA!

it's a genetic trait


I'm not sure how my mom sleeping with black guys would help me get sickle cell.  We aren't that close of a family.
 
2013-01-02 04:10:17 PM

ZAZ: Guess I'll have to switch to gin and tonic

The article says quinine-resistant malaria has been around for a while.


Yes, but you feel better as you fall into a hallucinogenic coma
 
2013-01-02 04:10:21 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Guess I'll have to switch to gin and tonic


From what I've heard, the amount of quinine in tonic nowadays is negligible. I've heard worse excuses for drinking though, so I'm just going to pretend that my rampant alcoholism is due to my fear of communicable diseases.

/To the Seagram's lads
//for health
 
2013-01-02 04:10:33 PM
dvdmedia.ign.com

Approves. If the Malaria sample ever arrives instead of the Flu... he's already got flu...
 
2013-01-02 04:12:34 PM
And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?
 
2013-01-02 04:13:54 PM
Well that's one benefit from taking a rheumatoid arthritis drug.
 
2013-01-02 04:16:52 PM
I've got type O- blood and thalassemia minor. I'm doubly resistant!
 
2013-01-02 04:17:03 PM

unamused: Silent Spring continues its fabulous kill rate.


Yeah, DDT was already losing potency by 1968 and was being phased out. The widespread spraying of it in Africa and especially SE Asia led to resistant and Immunity very quickly. Oh, and all of those nasty environmental and Human problems that Carson laid out.
 
2013-01-02 04:18:53 PM

rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?


You people realize that DDT is still manufactured and used in a variety of countries?  Did World Net Daily leave out that factoid?

Wikipedia still works you know.

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson" title="Rachel Carson">Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. [121] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of the
It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."
 
2013-01-02 04:20:12 PM
thats malarious!
 
2013-01-02 04:23:08 PM
fortunately, i have a delicious solution:

whiskedfoodie.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-02 04:23:39 PM

Aw, geez.


subsetzero: Bring back limited use of DDT.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Well, at least we won't have to worry about DDT trucks. Thanks, hippies.

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: way south: This is news now?
It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...
It was until DDT was used to kill off mosquitos in prone areas.
But of course, that has since changed.



A good place to start is the summary on the Wikipedia DDT page where you could maybe follow a few of the citations for more details if you're really curious, and you'll all discover that a.) DDT still is in use for malaria control and b.) it's not exactly the silver bullet it used to be, because of mosquitoes' acquired resistance to the pesticide over time.

Or if you'd rather, just keep going with the Michael Crichton "Banning DDT killed more people than Hitler" line if you're having too much fun being all contrarian and shiat.

 
2013-01-02 04:23:58 PM
Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.
 
2013-01-02 04:28:33 PM

BigLuca: I'm not sure how my mom sleeping with black guys would help me get sickle cell. We aren't that close of a family.



Well ... IANAGeneticist but if your biological dad had carried the trait, you'd have had a 50% chance of inheriting it, I believe.
 
2013-01-02 04:29:44 PM

durbnpoisn: Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.



Yeah. Florida could be farked.
 
2013-01-02 04:30:27 PM
We really do need a good plague.

A plague that knocks off half a billion people or so would get science and research and medicine going again instead of warmongering.
 
2013-01-02 04:33:18 PM
Will this work on the little farkers?

t2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-02 04:34:25 PM
When I was in India, I saw fellow western tourists get really sick from malaria. It's a scary thing to see when you're in a place with inadequate healthcare and you realize you're in just as much danger as the people you're watching get very sick.
 
2013-01-02 04:36:36 PM

phaseolus: BigLuca: I'm not sure how my mom sleeping with black guys would help me get sickle cell. We aren't that close of a family.

Well ... IANAGeneticist but if your biological dad had carried the trait, you'd have had a 50% chance of inheriting it, I believe.


Having my dad sleep with black guys makes even less sense.

/yes I"m just messing with you
 
2013-01-02 04:37:00 PM

DMZ DEATH: Also read today how some farking knob scientists created a super mutated bird flu strand. The thing is airborne and could easily wipe out at least half the worlds population. And theses farktards are now debating whether to publish the recipe. Honestly, i say kill everyone who has knowledge about how to create it, and destroy any living strains of this abomination. Scary day for diseases this day is, makes me wonder if all these nutjob end of days preppers in their bunkers have it right afterall...


Half of the world's population???

You say that like it would be a BAD thing!
 
2013-01-02 04:40:55 PM

phaseolus: durbnpoisn: Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.


Yeah. Florida could be farked.


Nah, the population centers have paved over or drained everything even remotely habitable to a mosquito.
 
2013-01-02 04:41:54 PM
www.ninapaley.com
That's Malarious!
 
2013-01-02 04:49:33 PM
Cool, I figure the human race is do for a super plague, something that wipes out two or three billion of us.
 
2013-01-02 04:49:39 PM
there is no satisfying you people

Farkers: "Wah wah, we have too many people"

Mother Nature: "Challenge accepted. How about drug resistant malaria? Will that work for you?"

Farkers: "Wah wah, it will kill half the world's population."

Mother Nature: "Ya farking coonts, what the hell do you want?"
 
2013-01-02 04:51:44 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Guess I'll have to switch to gin and tonic


Well, gin and tonics all round, then!
img6.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-02 04:54:45 PM
They're just worried because it'll wipe out the world's supply of ladyboys.

www.chinadaily.com.cn
 
2013-01-02 04:55:36 PM
Just go to a chiropractor and ask him to crack your bones. Works for diphtheria.
 
2013-01-02 04:55:54 PM

rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?


Damn, and I hoped I'd get in before the Rachel-Carson-is-evil crowd showed up spouting this well-worn and well-refuted bullschitt from Fox Izvestia and that liar for hire Steven Milloy.

For the 15,932,867th time, DDT ISN'T BANNED FROM USE FOR KILLING DISEASE VECTORS. The Stockholm Convention doesn't even mention malaria or Anopholes by name.
 
2013-01-02 04:58:08 PM
To wipe out the human race, it would have to be contagious. The only way to contract malaria is to be bitten by one of the vectors that carries it. Those vectors don't exist outside of the tropics.
 
2013-01-02 04:58:34 PM

durbnpoisn: I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.


Don't worry, those temperate zones will some be globally warmed, moist, and ready for the parasites to slide inside.
 
2013-01-02 04:58:52 PM

phaseolus: a.) DDT still is in use for malaria control and b.) it's not exactly the silver bullet it used to be, because of mosquitoes' acquired resistance to the pesticide over time


Acquired resistance is evilution, and wingnuts don't believe in evilution.
 
2013-01-02 05:00:08 PM

vodka: durbnpoisn: I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.

Don't worry, those temperate zones will some be globally warmed, moist, and ready for the parasites to slide inside.


But...but...but...

AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLL GOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRE!
 
2013-01-02 05:03:47 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: way south: This is news now?
It's been wiping out mankind for quite some time...

It was until DDT was used to kill off mosquitos in prone areas.

But of course, that has since changed.

Enjoy your epidemic.


It's a real shame that there are no other insecticides in the world that would ever be equally effective and more environmentally benign, and it's a good thing that insects can never develop a resistance to a toxin. I mean it's such a simple problem, that's why malaria was wiped out 70 years ago when we used DDT everywhere for just about everything.

I'm wondering if the act of thinking causes physical pain to some people, that would explain why tired thoughtless talking points have be trotted out again and again.
 
2013-01-02 05:09:35 PM

Impasse: Just go to a chiropractor and ask him to crack your bones. Works for diphtheria.


imageshack.us

"Well remembered."
 
2013-01-02 05:10:54 PM
Something has to thin out the human population eventually. If we don't hold contests in the form of wars every 30-60 years, then major disease tries to worm its way in.

/we're just pulsated streams of poop waiting to die like anything else on this planet.
//sorry, but we are.
 
2013-01-02 05:12:38 PM

Evil Twin Skippy: To wipe out the human race, it would have to be contagious. The only way to contract malaria is to be bitten by one of the vectors that carries it. Those vectors don't exist outside of the tropics.


?
http://infectiousbitemalaria.blogspot.com/2009/07/malaria-in-russia. ht ml
 
2013-01-02 05:15:59 PM

rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?


Pictured Below:
 heahea.org

DDT isn't banned for use in killing disease vectors, only for general use in pest control.
 
2013-01-02 05:17:00 PM
DDT

Happy singing birdies - rotting human corpses.

Win-win!
 
2013-01-02 05:19:11 PM

Rapmaster2000: rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

You people realize that DDT is still manufactured and used in a variety of countries?  Did World Net Daily leave out that factoid?

Wikipedia still works you know.

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to <a data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Carson" title="Rachel Carson">Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. [121] Carson actually devoted a page of her book to considering the relationship between DDT and malaria, warning of the
It is more sensible in some cases to take a small amount of damage in preference to having none for a time but paying for it in the long run by losing the very means of fighting [is the advice given in Holland by Dr Briejer in his capacity as director of the Plant Protection Service]. Practical advice should be "Spray as little as you possibly can" rather than "Spray to the limit of your capacity."


Don't go trying to confuse us with facts and shiat.
 
2013-01-02 05:20:14 PM
i623.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-02 05:25:08 PM

BronyMedic: rikkidoxx: And thanks to Rachel Carson, the New York Times and the EPA. Couldn't let all those song birdies die plus harming the fishies and other stuff. But then, what are 50 million human deaths since DDT was banned?

Pictured Below:
 [heahea.org image 724x555]

DDT isn't banned for use in killing disease vectors, only for general use in pest control.


Seems like a semantic argument, since nearly all pests are some kind of disease vector.
 
2013-01-02 05:30:23 PM

Amos Quito: Happy singing birdies - rotting human corpses.


images.nationalgeographic.com

Amos Quito: Win-win!


Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

Big Man On Campus: Seems like a semantic argument, since nearly all pests are some kind of disease vector.


Not really, no. The way DDT used to be used in the United States was spray it on everything and everyone. Not only was it ineffective and dangerous to the environment and the people around it, it promoted DDT resistance in Mosquitoes.
"Disease Vector" insects are a highly specific classification. Just because a cockroach can carry salmonella doesn't make it one when talking about Integrated Pest Management.
 
2013-01-02 05:44:44 PM

Amos Quito: [derp]


Are you on some chemical company's payroll? Do you get all your talking points from Fox Izvestia? Or are you just a troll or an idiot or both?
 
2013-01-02 05:46:03 PM

BronyMedic: Amos Quito: Win-win!

Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.


images.clipartof.com

Haters gonna' hate!
 
2013-01-02 05:47:44 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Amos Quito: [derp]

Are you on some chemical company's payroll? Do you get all your talking points from Fox Izvestia? Or are you just a troll or an idiot or both?



I am Amos Quito.

That is all.
 
2013-01-02 05:49:58 PM

fluffy2097: We really do need a good plague.

A plague that knocks off half a billion people or so would get science and research and medicine going again instead of warmongering.


Dream on. A bad plague was raging all through the Hundred Year's War.

Still, we do need a plague, if only to cull the herd. Half a billion wouldn't do it, though. We need something with about a 50-70% kill rate, like the Black Death in its heyday to really do us any good at all.
 
2013-01-02 05:51:09 PM

BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.


That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.
 
2013-01-02 05:51:31 PM

Gyrfalcon: fluffy2097: We really do need a good plague.

A plague that knocks off half a billion people or so would get science and research and medicine going again instead of warmongering.

Dream on. A bad plague was raging all through the Hundred Year's War.

Still, we do need a plague, if only to cull the herd. Half a billion wouldn't do it, though. We need something with about a 50-70% kill rate, like the Black Death in its heyday to really do us any good at all.



Working on it.
 
2013-01-02 05:54:28 PM
From the farking Stockholm Convention:

[Annex B] Part II
DDT (1,1,1-trichloro-2,2-bis(4-chlorophenyl)ethane)

1. The production and use of DDT shall be eliminated except for Parties that have notified the Secretariat of their intention to produce and/or use it. A DDT Register is hereby established and shall be available to the public. The Secretariat shall maintain the DDT Register.

2. Each Party that produces and/or uses DDT shall restrict such production and/or use for disease vector control in accordance with the World Health Organization recommendations and guidelines on the use of DDT and when locally safe, effective and affordable alternatives are not available to the Party in question.

3. In the event that a Party not listed in the DDT Register determines that it requires DDT for disease vector control, it shall notify the Secretariat as soon as possible in order to have its name added forthwith to the DDT Register. It shall at the same time notify the World Health Organization.

4. Every three years, each Party that uses DDT shall provide to the Secretariat and the World Health Organization information on the amount used, the conditions of such use and its relevance to that Party's disease management strategy, in a format to be decided by the Conference of the Parties in consultation with the World Health Organization.

5. With the goal of reducing and ultimately eliminating the use of DDT, the Conference of the Parties shall encourage:
(a) Each Party using DDT to develop and implement an action plan as part of the implementation plan specified in Article 7. That action plan shall include:
(i) Development of regulatory and other mechanisms to ensure that DDT use is restricted to disease vector control;
(ii) Implementation of suitable alternative products, methods and strategies, including resistance management strategies to ensure the continuing effectiveness of these alternatives;
(iii) Measures to strengthen health care and to reduce the incidence of the disease.
(b) The Parties, within their capabilities, to promote research and development of safe alternative chemical and non-chemical products, methods and strategies for Parties using DDT, relevant to the conditions of those countries and with the goal of decreasing the human and economic burden of disease. Factors to be promoted when considering alternatives or combinations of alternatives shall include the human health risks and environmental implications of such alternatives. Viable alternatives to DDT shall pose less risk to human health and the environment, be suitable for disease control based on conditions in the Parties in question and be supported with monitoring data.

6. Commencing at its first meeting, and at least every three years thereafter, the Conference of the Parties shall, in consultation with the World Health Organization, evaluate the continued need for DDT for disease vector control on the basis of available scientific, technical, environmental and economic information, including:
(a) The production and use of DDT and the conditions set out in paragraph 2;
(b) The availability, suitability and implementation of the alternatives to DDT; and
(c) Progress in strengthening the capacity of countries to transfer safely to reliance on such alternatives.

7. A Party may, at any time, withdraw its name from the DDT Registry upon written notification to the
Secretariat. The withdrawal shall take effect on the date specified in the notification.
 
2013-01-02 05:57:07 PM

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.


The microevolution/evolution people are the weirdest.  What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require for people to not accept that they''re looking at short and long term views of the same phenomenon?
 
2013-01-02 06:04:37 PM

This text is now purple: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.


www.asianbite.com
 
2013-01-02 06:13:51 PM

you have pee hands: This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The microevolution/evolution people are the weirdest.  What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require for people to not accept that they''re looking at short and long term views of the same phenomenon?


I have no issue with natural selection being the mechanism by which evolution works. But what Brony was describing wasn't evolution, it was natural selection.
 
2013-01-02 06:14:30 PM

you have pee hands: This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The microevolution/evolution people are the weirdest.  What sort of cognitive dissonance does it require for people to not accept that they''re looking at short and long term views of the same phenomenon?


They're the ones who want hard evidence of EVERYTHING. Until they see proof with their own eyes it doesn't exist. Evolution doesn't occur until there's something tangible they can put their grimy little hands on. The fact that this takes hundreds of millions of years and that "speciation" is essentially artificial anyway doesn't bother them. Of course, they'll argue all day with you that wolves, dogs and coyotes are three different species although all three are basically the same animal and even C. latrans isn't genetically distinct enough from C. lupus not to hybridize in the wild all the time.
 
2013-01-02 06:24:30 PM
BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

Same goes for anti-biotic resistant bacteria.
 
2013-01-02 06:30:38 PM

This text is now purple: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.


when did speciation become a prerequisite of evolution? I am under the impression that the only requirement is that the new trait can be genetically passed to offspring. please let me know if I'm off base here
 
2013-01-02 06:37:03 PM
Who cares?

Malaria is a plague Jesus sends to afflict the godless hordes of Asia and Africa. You'd think all that suffering and death would cause them to turn to my Lord and Savior, but I guess they're too wicked or dense to see the light.

Ever wonder why there's NEVER any malaria in America? Because the Founding Fathers established America as a Christian nation, that's why.

Of course, now that America is turning away from God and allowing gays and foreigners to freely wander about as though they belong here, I wouldn't be surprised if pestilences like malaria started to show up here, just like AIDS. Beware, liberals. You ignore Jesus at your own peril.
 
2013-01-02 06:40:18 PM

letrole: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

Same goes for anti-biotic resistant bacteria.


You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.
 
2013-01-02 06:49:41 PM
fluffy2097:

Eugenics.
/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.


Not really. It's unintended.
 
2013-01-02 06:54:57 PM

letrole: fluffy2097:

Eugenics.
/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.

Not really. It's unintended.


Fine. I'll bite.

"But Mister letrole! Evolution does not require intent! Your entire argument seems to presume that the creation of new species requires intentional design, by an intelligent designer!"
 
2013-01-02 06:57:23 PM
Finally. Maybe I can get a parking spot in NYC soon.
 
2013-01-02 06:58:28 PM

fluffy2097: letrole: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

Same goes for anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.


I didn't know mosquitoes were German...
 
2013-01-02 07:02:54 PM

Gyrfalcon: fluffy2097: letrole: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

Same goes for anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.

I didn't know mosquitoes were German...


Well, they  are fans of David Hasselhof, from what I hear.
 
2013-01-02 07:03:38 PM

Gyrfalcon: fluffy2097: letrole: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

This text is now purple: That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

The resistance to DDT was always there. The niche that all mosquitos fill was always there. When the DDT susceptible mosquitos were killed, they left no offspring. The offspring of DDT resistant mosquitos faced less competition and were able to ensure that the mosquito niche remained filled.

This is not evolution. This is not even natural selection. DDT isn't natural. This is unintended selective breeding.

Same goes for anti-biotic resistant bacteria.

You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.

I didn't know mosquitoes were German...



www.bulwarkpestcontrol.com

I'm not, but they are.
 
2013-01-02 07:09:38 PM

fluffy2097: You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.


Why do you think the Jews are so smart?

Nazis. The Nazis bred a race of Super Jews.
 
2013-01-02 07:22:53 PM

Raptop: This text is now purple: BronyMedic: Evolution. How the fark does it work? Must be like magnets to you, Amos.

That's natural selection. The species adapted, but it's still genetically compatible with non-selected versions of its species. It has not speciated, and thus, has not evolved.

when did speciation become a prerequisite of evolution? I am under the impression that the only requirement is that the new trait can be genetically passed to offspring. please let me know if I'm off base here


It's basically always been a pre-requisite of macroevolution. Microevolution can be from damn near anything -- it's such a fuzzy term that more or less any form of reproduction that results in a subsequent offspring different from its parent is microevolution. You could argue that genetic treatment is a form of Microevolution. it's an almost meaninglessly vague term.

What's typically referred to as "evolution", at least in a Darwinian context, is macroevolution -- where new species come from. Resistant malaria is still fundamentally its original malaria species.
 
2013-01-02 07:31:16 PM
Fortunately, Malrone (Atovaquone/proguanil) seems to remain a good choice for (wealthy) Westerners. There have been some reported instances of resistant strains, but pretty rare.
If Malarone-resistent malria takes hold, I'll stop visiting those parts of the world.
 
2013-01-02 07:51:56 PM
A good plague every now and then is as natural as a forest fire.
 
2013-01-02 08:17:30 PM
They're the ones who want hard evidence of EVERYTHING. Until they see proof with their own eyes it doesn't exist. Evolution doesn't occur until there's something tangible they can put their grimy little hands on.

Actually these people wouldn't believe you even if you dropped something in their lap which evolved as they watched. It isn't lack of proof, it is that they don't believe it exists and nothing you can say/do/show them can change that.
 
2013-01-02 08:24:26 PM

Parthenogenetic: But Mister letrole!


Bored?

And it's Monsieur Trole.

/ask him about the Commodore 64 he's posting with...
 
2013-01-02 08:44:42 PM
The whole thing does sound a bit scary, but it's not something to worry about in North America - yet. I can see how this would be a major problem in Asia though, and Africa has enough to worry about already without SuperMalaria.

I know it's not something we are used to worrying about in Canada, but we have had outbreaks of temperate zone malaria here in the past as well. I hope that the malaria version they are talking about is not happy in temperate climates!!

/Yes, my Mom had malaria as a child, and probably still carries some of the parasite, though she hasn't had an attack in over 50 years now. Born and raised in India can do that to a person.
 
2013-01-02 09:34:47 PM
The mosquito has killed more people than all war in human history combined.

And that was before this new viral mutation.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.
 
2013-01-02 09:35:15 PM

This text is now purple: fluffy2097: You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.

Why do you think the Jews are so smart?

Nazis. The Nazis bred a race of Super Jews.


Why do you think Jews now control all the money and Hollywood, and the media in general?
 
2013-01-02 09:36:41 PM

ZAZ: There is a simple way to get people to complete the course of treatment. First half of doses contain a poison. Second half of doses contain the antitode. If they don't return for the second half, at least their corpses will not pass along the mutated super-plasmodium.


Newsletter. Subscription. Where?
 
2013-01-02 09:54:22 PM

fluffy2097: This text is now purple: fluffy2097: You'd get more bites if you called it what it really is.

Eugenics.

/we are using DDT to breed a master race of mosquitoes.

Why do you think the Jews are so smart?

Nazis. The Nazis bred a race of Super Jews.

Why do you think Jews now control all the money and Hollywood, and the media in general?


Oh, great. It's because they're mosquitoes? This is getting worse by the minute!
 
2013-01-02 10:07:01 PM
FTA "It is here that Chiara Andolina keeps mosquitoes that are literally hand-reared -- fed from her arm, which she extends through a mesh hole into a container of the hungry creatures every three days. "Usually I feed around 600 of them in a cage like this," she said."

That just doesn't seem like a pleasant job perk to me.
 
2013-01-02 10:19:53 PM
Malaria! (Do doooo do-do-do!)

Malaria! (Do doo do-do!)

Malaria! (Do dooooo do-do-do, do-do-do, do-do-do-do do do doo-do-do!)
 
2013-01-02 10:41:09 PM

upndn: Isn't it tough to milk the Mosquitos? I mean, how many Mosquitos do you need to get enough anti-malaria antibodies?


I'm selling mosquito milking machines on ebay.
 
2013-01-02 10:43:34 PM
Oh good, I can start wearing my mosquito proof wire clothing again. Bought one year when our yard was infested and I had to mow at the same time there were clearing out shirt/pant sets all in adult small at the store.Hours of itchy fun!
 
2013-01-02 11:13:56 PM
Came here to swat some of the 'Silent Spring Kills People' crowd, but I see it's been taken care of.

Unfortunately, they're like mosquitoes...
 
2013-01-02 11:36:43 PM

PunGent: Came here to swat some of the 'Silent Spring Kills People' crowd, but I see it's been taken care of.

Unfortunately, they're like mosquitoes...


...and resistant to facts and logic.

A smart for you, and where the fark is the derp button?
 
2013-01-03 12:32:13 AM
some guy on "the great global warming swindle" predicted this...

Difficulty? Documentary is nearly five years old.


once long ago more than thirty thousand people in SIBERIA died from malaria, it doesn't take warming


we can beat it tho.. we'll just do what we did last time. DDT saved 160 million people.
 
2013-01-03 02:12:13 AM
After reading this article, I finally appreciate that I've been freezing my ass off every year.
 
2013-01-03 02:23:01 AM

durbnpoisn: tropics


The entirety of Africa is in the tropics?

Malaria Map

Also, mosquitoes can survive for quite some time in non-ideal conditions. Like a nice, warm airplane. And then disembark with the other passengers once at their destination.  Which may not be anywhere near the tropics.
 
2013-01-03 05:02:57 AM

durbnpoisn: Wikipedia (say what you will), is my friend. Afer reading this articel, I went and read up on the disease.

All this time, I thought that Malaria was a virus. It turns out that it really is a parasite. And there doesn't appear to be any sort of medicine to rid the body of it. In that respect, all kidding aside, it could become a real problem.

I don't think we here in the temperate zones have a lot to worry about. But those in the tropics, especially the really poor areas, could be in serious trouble.


Erm...malaria used to occur in some fairly temperate areas, too--like, oh, Washington, DC and most of the Southeast US, for instance. (It also got eradicated long before DDT--once people figured out that mosquitoes carried malaria, swamp-draining and larvicidal treatments (with oil treatments and older sulfur-based insecticidals) did a nice job of wiping out malaria in the US. DDT pretty much stopped becoming really effective against mosquitoes around the late 50s anyways--a few years before "Silent Spring"--and the insecticides of choice tend to be either pyrethrins (for the adults) or larvicidals and/or chrysalis-inhibitors (many of which are quite safe to use even on public water supplies). Oddly enough, one of the invasives in the US--Asian carp--was in part originally imported to deal with mosquitoes--turns out the things love hellgrammites (or mosquito maggots) :D)

Most of the regions that used DDT after the 60s (and there are a number of tropical countries that STILL license DDT as a restricted pesticide for mosquito control, even though it does sweet fark all to mosquitoes nowadays) did it because...DDT is dirt cheap, and for a while it worked, and...it was dirt cheap, especially when DDT stopped working in target species in industrialised countries (the dumping of DDT actually began, again, before "Silent Spring" made known to laymen the negative effects of organochlorine pesticides on bird populations--it pretty much didn't work here, and we had malathion by that point, so we shipped our DDT to Africa and Asia; we're pretty much now schlepping malathion to those same parts of the world, now that pyrethrins and chrysalis inhibitors are the new hotness).
 
2013-01-03 05:08:14 PM

ChipNASA: I heard an extremely detailed article/interview on this and the basic gist of the issue is that there is a *HUGE* market in Thailand and that area of Asia in counterfeit tablets of malaria medicine.
The problem is twofold:
1. People buy pills that have little or no medicinal value
2. They take said pills and the effect is none/ some value but because the parasite doesn't get the Whole BANG from a regular dosage of proper medicine, then it can over time become resistant and those people that are carriers, don't heal as rapidly as they should and can transmit the disease.



India makes most of the pharmaceuticals for the third world. The plants for the big generics companies like Dr. Reddy's and Ranbaxy are FDA inspected. The plants of the companies that sell drugs to poor countries in Africa or Asia (Burma anyone?) are not. I have seen the package inserts on third-rate malaria drugs. They looked like they were typed up by a chemist in the UK circa 1948.
 
2013-01-03 05:12:02 PM

ZAZ: The article says quinine-resistant malaria has been around for a while.


Quinine resistant malaria is old news. Chloroquine resistant malaria is similarly old news. Most malaria in Africa is chloroquine resistant. What's NEW news is artemisenin -resistant malaria. New class of anti-malaria drugs derived from a plant used in Chinese medicine to treat malaria. UN program to manufacture and dristribute it. Already there is some resistance.

I think the multi-drug resistant TB might be an equally big problem and it already is out there.
 
2013-01-03 05:14:34 PM
how about genetically altering the mosquito such that the females do not grow wings. the males do, and fly off to spread the twitch among the rest of the population. 3 months later, not a single one left....

very very bad idea.... the main purpose of the mosquito, on this planet, is to keep the most destructive plague this planet has eves seen , a bit in check, you remove them, and it's the end of the world as we know is...
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-03 07:20:23 PM
3rotor: how about genetically altering the mosquito such that the females do not grow wings. the males do, and fly off to spread the twitch among the rest of the population. 3 months later, not a single one left....

That doesn't work for a few reasons.

In related families of flies females disperse more than males. Males mate where they are born. I expect mosquitoes are similar. Your wingless mutation mostly stays put.

Mosquitoes form aerial swarms to mate. Females who can't fly can't reproduce. The mutation would die out in one generation. The ample supply of winged mosquitoes would quickly expand to fill the gap.
 
2013-01-03 11:59:51 PM
step #1, nuke burma.

grats! malaria gone.
 
2013-01-04 02:28:57 AM

ZAZ: 3rotor: how about genetically altering the mosquito such that the females do not grow wings. the males do, and fly off to spread the twitch among the rest of the population. 3 months later, not a single one left....

That doesn't work for a few reasons.

In related families of flies females disperse more than males. Males mate where they are born. I expect mosquitoes are similar. Your wingless mutation mostly stays put.

Mosquitoes form aerial swarms to mate. Females who can't fly can't reproduce. The mutation would die out in one generation. The ample supply of winged mosquitoes would quickly expand to fill the gap.


what if your expectation with regards to mosquitoes and flies, being similar, proves to be not the case, will it work then?

please say it will, I'm clutching at straws here as it is... :))

what about a mutation that would leave the females winged, but that would ulter their immune system in such a way, that they themselves would have resistance to the parasite, in essence preventing them from carrying it and thus spreading it.

would that work?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-04 08:51:50 AM
They are working on creating mosquitoes that die young. If you let mosquitoes live long enough to lay one batch of eggs they can pass along their altered genes. Then they die and don't spread malaria. Only older mosquitoes effectively transmit malaria.
 
2013-01-04 05:01:20 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: PunGent: Came here to swat some of the 'Silent Spring Kills People' crowd, but I see it's been taken care of.

Unfortunately, they're like mosquitoes...

...and resistant to facts and logic.

A smart for you, and where the fark is the derp button?


I just 'favorite' them, and set their post color to Red Team Red...makes 'em stand out.
 
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